Vs.1 The name "AGUR" is a fanciful name for Solomon, meaning to harvest ie recieved among the SAGES; meaning to have a good taste, wise and prudent; and also medicinal value an herb for healing and seasoning.The son of Jakeh; meaning "to obey". it was spake unto "ITHIEL" meaning God has Arrived!! and "UCAL" meaning to devour, (a fancy name)- FANCY; meaning to believe without evidence, to visualize.
Considering all the meanings of all the proper names, from the spokesman to the 2 hearers, how that all denotes fidelity; it is shocking to read the following 2 verses.- i'm brutish, no understanding, have not learned wisdom nor knowledge of the holy!!! vss.2&3 -- Wow !
Could this be a pattern, that we live many years going through learning, growing, trials, heartaches, laboring, exhaustion, relational strifes and diverse pressures, to come to the acknowledgement, O Lord i messed up! I'm embarrased,brutish,ignorant and lacking. Hey yall this is ch.30-- the end of the book and this is coming out now!! My heart feels tender cause i can relate. When i consider the last 33 years of being a Spirit filled believer,dad,husband,and a friend "O how i've failed"! I have also been brutish and ignorant. Maybe an insciption of "A Hard Working Idiot", would be fitting on my headstone.
The hope from it all is in vs.4- Its in the "WHO" and in the "WHATS" His son's name!! His name is Father God and His son's name is Jesus. And His word tells us in ps.103;10-14 - He hath not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded us according to our iniquities. For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him. As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us. Like as a father pitieth his children, so the Lord pitieth them that fear him. For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that we are dust. I'm so glad i know His son's name. Praise God!! agape ----- reggie----
LINDA PROVERBS CHAPTER 30: EVERY WORD OF GOD IS TRUE.HE IS A SHIELD TO THOSE WHO COME TO HIM FOR PROTECTION.DO NOT ADD TO HIS WORDS OR HE WILL REBUKE YOU AND PROVE YOU TO BE A LIAR. TWO THINGS I ASK OF YOU O LORD: DO NOT REFUSE ME BEFORE I DIE.
A Riddle: Proverbs 30:4----Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name,and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell? MATTHEW 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father, neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. Now I ask you, "Has the Son revealed the Father to you?" One Name given whereby we are saved, not three offices. In Christ dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily and we are COMPLETE in Him. He is the Head of all principality and power. Isaiah 41:10,11 "Ye are my witnesses saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour." WOW! How much plainer can it get? 1 Corinthian 1:24---But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. Oh, Praise God for the revelation of Jesus Name!
Mcgi.org/en/topics/blog_articles/ on John 1 - 14 years ago
Who is JESUS??? He the Son of GOD or the bible signify the Wisdom of God...in the Book of Proverbs 8:22 is not Christ. He cited 1 Corinthians 1:30 and hastily concluded that Christ is the wisdom for salvation and redemption only, and not the Wisdom instrumental in the creation of every existing thing. Here were his allegations:
A careful look at the above cited verses will reveal to us the following facts —
1. The Wisdom of God is a mystery
2. The hidden Wisdom ordained by God was before the world
3. It was not known by the princes of this world
Due to these, they crucified the Lord of Glory.
The Wisdom of God being mentioned by Paul here is the Wisdom in a mystery, the hidden Wisdom, which is the Lord of Glory. Remember that this Wisdom was ordained by God before the World.
Who is the Lord of Glory?
( James 2:1) “My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.”
It is crystal clear, therefore, that the Wisdom mentioned by Paul who existed and was ordained by God before the world is the Lord Jesus Christ — The Lord of Glory.
It this the same Wisdom being mentioned in the Book of Proverbs?
( 1 Corinthians 1:24) “But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.”
The Apostle Paul said, “The Wisdom of God.” A little knowledge in grammar will teach us know that there is no other Wisdom of God because he used the definite article ‘the.’ However, Christ is the Wisdom of God to those who are called. No wonder, Tumbok does not understand because he was not called. God calls people into the Church of God and not in any church founded by man.
( 1 Corinthians 1:1-2) “Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother, Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours…”
It is in the Church of God that God calls people which He considers worthy of serving Him. If there are those who do not consider Christ as ‘the’ Wisdom of God, they are the enemies of Christ.
( 1 Corinthians 1:23-24) “But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.”
Christ is not the Wisdom of God to those who were not called into the Church of God, but a ‘stumbling block’ and foolishness. Certainly, He is the same Wisdom being mentioned in Proverbs 8:22 —
( Proverbs 8:22) “The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.”
The word ‘possessed’ being used by the Wisdom (referring to Christ) is very much apparent in the declaration of John.
( John 1:18) “No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.”
The Wisdom was possessed by the Father in the beginning of His ways, before His works of old. The succeeding verses, the 23rd and the 24th, prove that He was begotten before anything was made.
( Proverbs 8:23-24) “I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.”
No other being in the universe was brought forth or begotten of the Father other than the only begotten Son, which was in the beginning, the Wisdom in the bosom of the Father.
( Hebrews 1:5) “For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?”
He is also the Son mentioned in the Book of Proverbs, which was with the Father in the creation of everything.
( Proverbs 30:4) “Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son’s name, if thou canst tell?”
He is the person to whom God was speaking, in the creation of man.
( Genesis 1:26) “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.”
Others conclude (which were always erroneous) that God was speaking to angels; but this is not so. God was speaking to someone who has the same image as He has, and there is no other person in the universe or beyond it, that has the exact image of God other than the Son.
( Hebrews 1:1-3) “God who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high…”
Note that by the Son he made the worlds. The Son is the express image of His person. These reasonings of Saint Paul jive with the preaching of John in his gospel.
( John 1:1-3) “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”
To sum up, that Jesus Christ really is the Wisdom of God being mentioned in the Book of Proverbs, let us look at the verses a second time.
( Proverbs 8:22-30) “The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth: Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him…”
I have highlighted in red words and phrases that speak of the time element proving that the Wisdom, that is the Son, pre-existed before He was born of Mary in the form of a man. There is no other Wisdom of God being mentioned in the Bible, other than the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ; the Lord of Glory, the wisdom that God used in the creation of everything that exists.
( Colossians 2:2-3) “That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.”
All treasures of wisdom and knowledge are in Christ. The Apostle Paul has known this so he wrote —
( Colossians 1:15-17) “Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.”
How can something that does not exist be made an instrument in the creation of everything that exists? That is impossible!
( John 1:1-3) “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”
The Son was there in the Creation of everything! Without Him was not anything made that was made!
Proverbs contains some of the best advice anyone can read. If only Solomon's son had followed the advice given to him in proverbs history would have been changed. Sadly, he heard his fathers example louder than his fathers advice. A great book with much wisdom.
Hey Kevin, it is plain that the scriptures are saying that homosexual behavior is sin, isn't it.
But please note that it is God speaking not a man and God does not have human frailties and phobias. As a matter of fact He does not fear anything, neither do His children. Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Now seeing that it is God that is speaking, the question is, will you repent of your sins or will you continue in your destructive life style. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Considering all the meanings of all the proper names, from the spokesman to the 2 hearers, how that all denotes fidelity; it is shocking to read the following 2 verses.- i'm brutish, no understanding, have not learned wisdom nor knowledge of the holy!!! vss.2&3 -- Wow !
Could this be a pattern, that we live many years going through learning, growing, trials, heartaches, laboring, exhaustion, relational strifes and diverse pressures, to come to the acknowledgement, O Lord i messed up! I'm embarrased,brutish,ignorant and lacking. Hey yall this is ch.30-- the end of the book and this is coming out now!! My heart feels tender cause i can relate. When i consider the last 33 years of being a Spirit filled believer,dad,husband,and a friend "O how i've failed"! I have also been brutish and ignorant. Maybe an insciption of "A Hard Working Idiot", would be fitting on my headstone.
The hope from it all is in vs.4- Its in the "WHO" and in the "WHATS" His son's name!! His name is Father God and His son's name is Jesus. And His word tells us in ps.103;10-14 - He hath not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded us according to our iniquities. For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him. As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us. Like as a father pitieth his children, so the Lord pitieth them that fear him. For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that we are dust. I'm so glad i know His son's name. Praise God!! agape ----- reggie----
A careful look at the above cited verses will reveal to us the following facts —
1. The Wisdom of God is a mystery
2. The hidden Wisdom ordained by God was before the world
3. It was not known by the princes of this world
Due to these, they crucified the Lord of Glory.
The Wisdom of God being mentioned by Paul here is the Wisdom in a mystery, the hidden Wisdom, which is the Lord of Glory. Remember that this Wisdom was ordained by God before the World.
Who is the Lord of Glory?
( James 2:1) “My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.”
It is crystal clear, therefore, that the Wisdom mentioned by Paul who existed and was ordained by God before the world is the Lord Jesus Christ — The Lord of Glory.
It this the same Wisdom being mentioned in the Book of Proverbs?
( 1 Corinthians 1:24) “But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.”
The Apostle Paul said, “The Wisdom of God.” A little knowledge in grammar will teach us know that there is no other Wisdom of God because he used the definite article ‘the.’ However, Christ is the Wisdom of God to those who are called. No wonder, Tumbok does not understand because he was not called. God calls people into the Church of God and not in any church founded by man.
( 1 Corinthians 1:1-2) “Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother, Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours…”
It is in the Church of God that God calls people which He considers worthy of serving Him. If there are those who do not consider Christ as ‘the’ Wisdom of God, they are the enemies of Christ.
( 1 Corinthians 1:23-24) “But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.”
Christ is not the Wisdom of God to those who were not called into the Church of God, but a ‘stumbling block’ and foolishness. Certainly, He is the same Wisdom being mentioned in Proverbs 8:22 —
( Proverbs 8:22) “The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.”
The word ‘possessed’ being used by the Wisdom (referring to Christ) is very much apparent in the declaration of John.
( John 1:18) “No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.”
The Wisdom was possessed by the Father in the beginning of His ways, before His works of old. The succeeding verses, the 23rd and the 24th, prove that He was begotten before anything was made.
( Proverbs 8:23-24) “I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.”
No other being in the universe was brought forth or begotten of the Father other than the only begotten Son, which was in the beginning, the Wisdom in the bosom of the Father.
( Hebrews 1:5) “For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?”
He is also the Son mentioned in the Book of Proverbs, which was with the Father in the creation of everything.
( Proverbs 30:4) “Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son’s name, if thou canst tell?”
He is the person to whom God was speaking, in the creation of man.
( Genesis 1:26) “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.”
Others conclude (which were always erroneous) that God was speaking to angels; but this is not so. God was speaking to someone who has the same image as He has, and there is no other person in the universe or beyond it, that has the exact image of God other than the Son.
( Hebrews 1:1-3) “God who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high…”
Note that by the Son he made the worlds. The Son is the express image of His person. These reasonings of Saint Paul jive with the preaching of John in his gospel.
( John 1:1-3) “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”
To sum up, that Jesus Christ really is the Wisdom of God being mentioned in the Book of Proverbs, let us look at the verses a second time.
( Proverbs 8:22-30) “The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth: Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him…”
I have highlighted in red words and phrases that speak of the time element proving that the Wisdom, that is the Son, pre-existed before He was born of Mary in the form of a man. There is no other Wisdom of God being mentioned in the Bible, other than the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ; the Lord of Glory, the wisdom that God used in the creation of everything that exists.
( Colossians 2:2-3) “That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.”
All treasures of wisdom and knowledge are in Christ. The Apostle Paul has known this so he wrote —
( Colossians 1:15-17) “Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.”
How can something that does not exist be made an instrument in the creation of everything that exists? That is impossible!
( John 1:1-3) “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”
The Son was there in the Creation of everything! Without Him was not anything made that was made!
But please note that it is God speaking not a man and God does not have human frailties and phobias. As a matter of fact He does not fear anything, neither do His children.
Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Now seeing that it is God that is speaking, the question is, will you repent of your sins or will you continue in your destructive life style.
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
and it will keep you humble.