This Psalm is a prophecy of what the works of his cross will accomplish.
Psalms 75:1 Unto thee do we give thanks, for THY NAME is near (as) thy WONDROUS WORKS declare.
We were married to Christ, becoming one flesh, and bearing HIS NAME, at his resurrection.
Psalms 57:2 When I (Christ) RECEIVE the congregation ( Psalms 2:8) I (Christ) will judge uprightly.
Psalms 57:3 The earth and the inhabitants thereof are dissolved (they will died on the cross). I (Christ) will bear the PILLARS ( Revelation 3:12 the NEW CREATION) of it.
Psalms 57:4 I (Christ) said unto the fools (all of us, because we have not knowledge of the works of God); Deal not foolishly: and unto the wicked (all of us), Lift not up the horn (a symbol of power).
Psalms 57:5 Lift not up your horn on high, speak not with a stiff neck.
Psalms 57:6 For PROMOTION (going form a foolish, stiff necked people: to the sons of God) cometh neither from the east, nor the west, nor the south,
Psalms 57:7 But (from) God (who) is the judge, he putteth down one (all of us, the foolish and stiff necked), and setteth up another (the sons of GOD).
First of all thank you all for your words of uplifting encouragement! I let the devil put on pity party for me and doubted what I have learned. Yes I don't understand everything and sometimes even the questions I am asked and let pride take over. I love you all as Christ loved me.
Now latest discussions on Heaven. I take the Gen 1:1 literal as we all do, until it is not possible. Then it is a figurative truth. Is its literal in Psalms 75:6-7?
1st, 2nd, 3rd Heaven....1)I thought it was the sky, 2) was the part where there is no more air from there to the 3) Heaven itself. Where God is, has day and night. A better country, many mansions streets of gold. Temples and a Throne where God sits Jesus at His right.
In Psalms 75:6 6 For promotion cometh neither from the east, nor from the west, nor from the south.
7 But God is the judge: he putteth down one, and setteth up another. (God is in Heaven)
So Heaven is North? Could've said side to side or beneath but up.
And God Bless you for you words of kindness, encouragement. But tell me if I am wrong here, and I will take advice like I said before, and let the devil get at me. Ready for advice, because I wondered at this scripture myself, it is saying Heaven is literally north of Earth.
I was just emphasizing a portion of those verses that emphasizes everlasting punishment by the hands of the Lord.
( he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever.)
Psalms 75:7-8. But God is the judge: he putteth down one, and setteth up another.
For in the hand of the LORD there is a cup, and the wine is red; it is full of mixture; and he poureth out of the same: but the dregs thereof, all the wicked of the earth shall wring them out, and drink them.
God is Love but he is also a righteous Judge.
Torment is everlasting I believe because the heart of the wicked is everlasting and uncurably evil.
We have discussed my take on the Holyspirit restraining evil in
2 Thessalonians 2:6-7.
I mentioned that because man has no Idea how evil he really is apart from the restrainer/Holyspirit.
When the restraint on evil is taken out of the way you see a picture of man continuous rebellion even in the midst of torment in
Revelation 16:8-9.
I believe you and I along with others have discussed this in the past and I know we have different views on this however we respects one another view.
I believe Sasha had opposing views on this belief and was heavily engaged in these topics and later suze. Perhaps they're checking in from time to time!!
Once again; we see Asaph as he does quite often give a prophetic statement as to the fate of the earth in the end with several cross references of interest.
Verse 2 seems to be a veiled reference to the Rapture; or possibly those who are Jews that believe and survive to the end of the Tribulation in the reference to "when I shall receive the congregation I will judge uprightly. (see 2 Cor. 5:10; Exodus 20:35-38 in the context of Exodus 20:34 as a future event of gathering from the nations).
Verse 3 reminds us of heaven and earth passing away in Revelation 21:1-4 and Matthew 24:35).
Verses 4 through 7 remind us of the "little horn" ( Dan. 7:8) who is Antichrist himself. God allows Satan and his throne in the Tribulation to suit his purposes; ultimately to separate wheat from chaff; and to draw everyone together at Armageddon ( Rev. 19; Psalm 2).
Revelation 14:10 is much like verse 8 referring to the "wine of the wrath of God". That theme is also seen in Jeremiah 25:15-17; and similar themes in Isaiah and without a doubt in other scriptures.
Again the end of this Psalm shows that only praising God is worthwhile (v. 9) and right wins out in the end. That is basically a big theme in all of scripture; the meek shall inherit the earth ( Matt. 5:5).
Dear Diane, rest in peace and Merry Christmas. If you read v 11 you understand that the Lord Is, Ego Eimi. He is the one who decides. It is He who draws us to Himself. Without Him, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
Trust that He is with you every second.
Hope this helped you. Saw that you had not received a reply. That's why I answered. Be well and look up to Him to whom all glory is due. Jesus loves you in Christ. 1 Peter 2 Chapter. Stay close to the script. And He is close too u.
Hi Phil , I'm not always great at explaining things but here goes , it seems to me that the cup and its contents are a metaphor for God's judgement and punishment and wrath on and towards nations and the sinners in them , here are some other verses that will probably make it clearer than I can : Jeremiah Ch 25 V 15-18 , also Ch 49 V 12 and Ch 51 V 6+7 . Also Lamentations Ch 4 V 21 , Habbakuk Ch 2 V 16 , Zechariah Ch 12 V 2+3 and Revelation Ch 14 V 9-11 , Ch 16 V 16-19 and finally , the best chapter for self explanation Ch 18 . Hope these verses explain it to you .
1Corinthians 4, understanding 1st pray & read: James 1:5,
1Corinthians 4:1 "Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of CHRIST, and the stewards of the mysteries of GOD." references: Mark 4:11, in context Mark 4:1-34, Romans 11:25, Romans 16:25-27, Ephesians 3, Revelation 10:7, some Old Testament references: Isaiah 53, Psalms 22, Zechariah 13:6, Leviticus 16:17, John 19,
Hello again, I am currently working a little north of you. I hope you and your family are well and know God's peace in Jesus Christ. While I work I will pray for God's direction for you.
"And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:" Rev 12:1
The woman depicted here is Israel.
This imagery harkens back to Joseph's dream:
"And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me. And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?" Gen 37:9-10
His father knew it was about them: Jacob (Israel) the sun, Rachel the moon and his brothers as the stars (the 12 tribes of Israel).
The woman brings forth a man-child, Jesus:
"And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child." Rev 12:13
The woman (Israel) will flee under intense Satanic persecution for 3 1/2 years of The Great Tribulation:
"And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent." Rev 12:14
That is a good question. In most cases the Bible defines itself. If I were to guess, it's an allegory of the 144,000 sealed from death for 42 months (a thousand two hundred and threescore days). The elect witnesses; they do daily battle with anti-Christ. They make use the extra hours of darkness to survive.
The 144,00 sealed in Revelation 7 are the same two witnesses from Revelation 11. The two witnesses are from the house from Israel & the house of Judah: 12 tribes. Now, Revelation 11:3 says "And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."
I hope that makes enough sense to you to form your own conclusions.
It's not the translation of the KJV bible that lacks merit or credibility, but only people that misquote and mistranslate.
Matthew 7:15 "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves."
Revelation 22:18 "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:"
Revelation 22:19 "And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
Matthew 5:18 "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
Psalms 22:1 "(To the chief Musician upon Aijeleth Shahar, A Psalm of David.) My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?"
Matthew 27:46 "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"
Mark 15:34 "And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"
Jesus's recites Psalm 22 to remind the Priesthood that they didn't recognize him as God, even as they stood beside him, even though it was written in the Old Testament. Read the entire Psalm and see if you would?
Psalms 22:1 (To the chief Musician upon Aijeleth Shahar, A Psalm of David.) My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring? 2O my God, I cry in the daytime, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent. 3But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel. 4Our fathers trusted in thee: they trusted, and thou didst deliver
"And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" Mat 27:46
You asserted, "I instinctively know the statement to be false; the king of kings would not whine like a pleb." You were referring to a quote from some other translation, "how could you forsake me?"
Jesus had been in various stages of anguish for hours from the previous evening.
"Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me. And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt." Mat 26:38-39
And Doctor Luke pointed out, "And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground." Luk 22:44
So for nearly 12 hours Jesus was in agony of soul, then severely beaten and abused prior to the crucifixion. However it was on the cross He experienced excruciating (a word we get from crucifixion) physical pain but not as painful as receiving The Wrath of God His Father. The ONLY time in The Gospels where He does not address God as Father!
"For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him." 2Co 5:21
The sinless Lamb of God, bearing our sin, and The Wrath of God.
"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."Joh 3:36
Finally, Jesus is quoting Psalm 22:1. "LOOK HERE!" This Psalm of David was prophetic about The Messiah. "But I am a worm" (Tolah, a scarlet worm that dies and the secretion turns from red to white in three days) "They pierced my hands and my feet." "They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture." "He hath done this" (It is finished!).
In my kjv , psalm 22 starts : My God ,my God , why hast thou FORSAKEN me , maybe you havent actually read psalm 22 in the kjv ,i dont think mine is any different to any one elses .
It sounds like you're attacking the KJV translation, but what makes you an expert? Are you more of an expert than a large team of Greek and Hebrew scholars who spent seven years meticulously going word for word to translate the Bible as accurate as possible? What is your evidence and what are your credentials for claiming that you are right and they are wrong? Have you prayed to God about this before posting your attacks on God's Word or did you just post your attack on a whim?
No dear. Marylin shared a believable translation of what Jesus said about 'forsaking'. The account we are given in KJV lacks merit or credibility. The translators did a horrible job.
I think you might be looking for psalm 22 ,i think Jesus was quoting this psalm in order to draw the watching rreligious hierarchy to it as they would or should have known that psalm very well and it is ALL about Jesus .
You mentioned an alternative translation of Jesus on the cross saying 'how could you forsake me?' Can you tell me where to find the translation you quoted? That line has always puzzled me because I instinctively know the statement to be false; the king of kings would not whine like a pleb. Only a fool would believe that that book was shielded from edits, while full well knowing satan is the god of this world. However, bring up the Bibles' credibility here, you will get Christians bending over backwards with scriptures to defend the indefensible for ego sake.
Adam ,you are resonably good at twisting peoples words in an agressive way in order to get a rise out of them but not good enough to ruffle my feathers ,its always the sign of a weak arguement ,i guess i am a bit older than you so i have a much thicker skin and im not easily wound up ,so as far as im concerned this conversation is over unless you have some thing very pertinent to say .
Most of the Psalms convey a prophecy of Christ.
This Psalm is a prophecy of what the works of his cross will accomplish.
Psalms 75:1 Unto thee do we give thanks, for THY NAME is near (as) thy WONDROUS WORKS declare.
We were married to Christ, becoming one flesh, and bearing HIS NAME, at his resurrection.
Psalms 57:2 When I (Christ) RECEIVE the congregation ( Psalms 2:8) I (Christ) will judge uprightly.
Psalms 57:3 The earth and the inhabitants thereof are dissolved (they will died on the cross). I (Christ) will bear the PILLARS ( Revelation 3:12 the NEW CREATION) of it.
Psalms 57:4 I (Christ) said unto the fools (all of us, because we have not knowledge of the works of God); Deal not foolishly: and unto the wicked (all of us), Lift not up the horn (a symbol of power).
Psalms 57:5 Lift not up your horn on high, speak not with a stiff neck.
Psalms 57:6 For PROMOTION (going form a foolish, stiff necked people: to the sons of God) cometh neither from the east, nor the west, nor the south,
Psalms 57:7 But (from) God (who) is the judge, he putteth down one (all of us, the foolish and stiff necked), and setteth up another (the sons of GOD).
All by the RESURRECTION of Christ.
God BLESS YOU.
Now latest discussions on Heaven. I take the Gen 1:1 literal as we all do, until it is not possible. Then it is a figurative truth. Is its literal in Psalms 75:6-7?
1st, 2nd, 3rd Heaven....1)I thought it was the sky, 2) was the part where there is no more air from there to the 3) Heaven itself. Where God is, has day and night. A better country, many mansions streets of gold. Temples and a Throne where God sits Jesus at His right.
In Psalms 75:6 6 For promotion cometh neither from the east, nor from the west, nor from the south.
7 But God is the judge: he putteth down one, and setteth up another. (God is in Heaven)
So Heaven is North? Could've said side to side or beneath but up.
And God Bless you for you words of kindness, encouragement. But tell me if I am wrong here, and I will take advice like I said before, and let the devil get at me. Ready for advice, because I wondered at this scripture myself, it is saying Heaven is literally north of Earth.
Good to hear from you as always!
I was just emphasizing a portion of those verses that emphasizes everlasting punishment by the hands of the Lord.
( he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever.)
Psalms 75:7-8. But God is the judge: he putteth down one, and setteth up another.
For in the hand of the LORD there is a cup, and the wine is red; it is full of mixture; and he poureth out of the same: but the dregs thereof, all the wicked of the earth shall wring them out, and drink them.
God is Love but he is also a righteous Judge.
Torment is everlasting I believe because the heart of the wicked is everlasting and uncurably evil.
We have discussed my take on the Holyspirit restraining evil in
2 Thessalonians 2:6-7.
I mentioned that because man has no Idea how evil he really is apart from the restrainer/Holyspirit.
When the restraint on evil is taken out of the way you see a picture of man continuous rebellion even in the midst of torment in
Revelation 16:8-9.
I believe you and I along with others have discussed this in the past and I know we have different views on this however we respects one another view.
I believe Sasha had opposing views on this belief and was heavily engaged in these topics and later suze. Perhaps they're checking in from time to time!!
It's getting late Ronald,
Perhaps we will talk over the weekend.
God bless you.
God bless you.
Once again; we see Asaph as he does quite often give a prophetic statement as to the fate of the earth in the end with several cross references of interest.
Verse 2 seems to be a veiled reference to the Rapture; or possibly those who are Jews that believe and survive to the end of the Tribulation in the reference to "when I shall receive the congregation I will judge uprightly. (see 2 Cor. 5:10; Exodus 20:35-38 in the context of Exodus 20:34 as a future event of gathering from the nations).
Verse 3 reminds us of heaven and earth passing away in Revelation 21:1-4 and Matthew 24:35).
Verses 4 through 7 remind us of the "little horn" ( Dan. 7:8) who is Antichrist himself. God allows Satan and his throne in the Tribulation to suit his purposes; ultimately to separate wheat from chaff; and to draw everyone together at Armageddon ( Rev. 19; Psalm 2).
Revelation 14:10 is much like verse 8 referring to the "wine of the wrath of God". That theme is also seen in Jeremiah 25:15-17; and similar themes in Isaiah and without a doubt in other scriptures.
Again the end of this Psalm shows that only praising God is worthwhile (v. 9) and right wins out in the end. That is basically a big theme in all of scripture; the meek shall inherit the earth ( Matt. 5:5).
Trust that He is with you every second.
Hope this helped you. Saw that you had not received a reply. That's why I answered. Be well and look up to Him to whom all glory is due. Jesus loves you in Christ. 1 Peter 2 Chapter. Stay close to the script. And He is close too u.
1Corinthians 4:1 "Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of CHRIST, and the stewards of the mysteries of GOD." references: Mark 4:11, in context Mark 4:1-34, Romans 11:25, Romans 16:25-27, Ephesians 3, Revelation 10:7, some Old Testament references: Isaiah 53, Psalms 22, Zechariah 13:6, Leviticus 16:17, John 19,
Romans 14:12 : reference for several
1Corinthians 4:2, references: Titus 1:7,
1Corinthians 4:3-4, ref: Romans 8:33, Isaiah 50:8, Jude 1:24-25, Romans 14:13, Psalms 98:9,
1Corinthians 4:5, ref: Matthew 25:31-46, Hebrews 10:30, 2Thessalonians 2,
1Corinthians 4:6,7,8, ref: 1Corinthians 12, Deuteronomy 8:18, Psalms 75:6-7, John 19:11,
1Corinthians 4:9-14, Hebrews 11,
Hopefully these are helpful
Carleton
:)
"And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:" Rev 12:1
The woman depicted here is Israel.
This imagery harkens back to Joseph's dream:
"And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me. And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?" Gen 37:9-10
His father knew it was about them: Jacob (Israel) the sun, Rachel the moon and his brothers as the stars (the 12 tribes of Israel).
The woman brings forth a man-child, Jesus:
"And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child." Rev 12:13
The woman (Israel) will flee under intense Satanic persecution for 3 1/2 years of The Great Tribulation:
"And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent." Rev 12:14
The 144,00 sealed in Revelation 7 are the same two witnesses from Revelation 11. The two witnesses are from the house from Israel & the house of Judah: 12 tribes. Now, Revelation 11:3 says "And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."
I hope that makes enough sense to you to form your own conclusions.
Matthew 7:15 "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves."
Revelation 22:18 "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:"
Revelation 22:19 "And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
Matthew 5:18 "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
Psalms 22:1 "(To the chief Musician upon Aijeleth Shahar, A Psalm of David.) My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?"
Matthew 27:46 "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"
Mark 15:34 "And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"
Psalms 22:1 (To the chief Musician upon Aijeleth Shahar, A Psalm of David.) My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring? 2O my God, I cry in the daytime, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent. 3But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel. 4Our fathers trusted in thee: they trusted, and thou didst deliver
"And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" Mat 27:46
You asserted, "I instinctively know the statement to be false; the king of kings would not whine like a pleb." You were referring to a quote from some other translation, "how could you forsake me?"
Jesus had been in various stages of anguish for hours from the previous evening.
"Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me. And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt." Mat 26:38-39
And Doctor Luke pointed out, "And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground." Luk 22:44
So for nearly 12 hours Jesus was in agony of soul, then severely beaten and abused prior to the crucifixion. However it was on the cross He experienced excruciating (a word we get from crucifixion) physical pain but not as painful as receiving The Wrath of God His Father. The ONLY time in The Gospels where He does not address God as Father!
"For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him." 2Co 5:21
The sinless Lamb of God, bearing our sin, and The Wrath of God.
"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."Joh 3:36
Finally, Jesus is quoting Psalm 22:1. "LOOK HERE!" This Psalm of David was prophetic about The Messiah. "But I am a worm" (Tolah, a scarlet worm that dies and the secretion turns from red to white in three days) "They pierced my hands and my feet." "They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture." "He hath done this" (It is finished!).
Peggy thanks for responding to my Comment. I agree all things will be revealed. However,
God will reveal many things before the sound of the Trumpet. He that has ears let him/her "hear"
what the Spirit says. Also, we are warned to try the Spirit to see if it is from God or the Devil.
I believe God for myself and pray your strength in the Lord.
Just FYI.
Rev 10:7
When will the Comments and enjoyment of the Scriptures open up. I miss so much
reading how Christians uses and interrupts the Word of God.
When can we expect this to happen?
Marilyn