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Jesus did say, unless we are converted and become as little children we WILL NOT enter the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 18:3

"And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven."

So, if Psalms 82 or any other scripture was read to a child, how would the child understand it?

As adults we have a great tendency to complicate things, it's the way we are. We want to read between the lines, figure out what is really being said, etc.etc. Then we come up with various interpretations and theories of our own.which really takes us away from the real meaning of the word/scripture.

A child will really listen, and understand, what is stated in scripture better than many adults.

We need to humble ourselves moreand become more like children..I know that I do.

God Bless

Thank you for that explanation brother Earl. I understand Luke 8:5-15 & can even understand your explanation of it. However, in the parable, Jesus uses the 'seed' as an illustration of God's Word being planted into various heart types. It's not used as God being planted/fallen by the wayside/etc. in their hearts. Even though the seed represents God's Word, if we interpret it as God being planted & therefore the Spirit being planted, then we corrupt the meaning & intent of that parable.

If we then allow that type of interpretation to continue, so many passages, such as Isaiah 41:8, "But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend", might just compel one to think of the "seed of Abraham" to mean 'God's Word/God/a multiplication of gods, instead of simply Abraham's progeny. Even in evangelism, the evangelist shares/scatters the seed over different hearts. He does not scatter God or the Holy Spirit - I believe there must be a distinction, or else the meaning becomes clouded or lost.

1 Peter 1:23: here again, the Word is that the believers were born again by incorruptible seed (God's Word) as opposed to the corruptible traditions that were first delivered by their fathers (v 18) that could not give a new birth. We might agree with that one but I would disagree with: "When we depart this body of flesh; Spirit ONLY remains, Spirit is GOD, we become (the image of) God." Our spirit never becomes God; our spirits are renewed by the Holy Spirit (born again) & we bear the Image of God, but whether on Earth or depart from it, our spirits don't become God. And this belief then impacts how you understand Psalm 82. As I've already given my understanding of this Psalm in this thread to Samuel, I won't repeat it, except to state that I disagree in toto with your understanding of it; i.e. it is not prophetical at all, rather a warning to the rulers & judges, to which Jesus also inferred in John 10:34.

I appreciate your contribution Earl.

Earl with all due respect you take a lot of things out of context of usage, I believe Gods word as originally given was perfect that being said he meant what he said where he said it how he said it to whom he said it when he said it and why he said it, the treasure chest is so big because it is the knowledge of God. Remember you said the spirit reveals, the bible was written by men with the spirit, that's the guide. To quote Jesus Christ thy word is truth. God Bless

Brother Chris:

Before I ever knew of this website or read any comments Alex had written, the Spirit had already revealed to me that the Word (God) is SEED and Seed ALWAYS produces SEED just like the SEED it came from.

Wheat seed produces wheat seed, corn seed produces corn seed, no matter what seed is planted it ALWAYS produces the same seed that was planted.

Luke 8:13 Now the PARABLE is this: the SEED is the Word of God.

I know you believe the WORD is GOD; therefore GOD is SEED, GOD is SPIRIT; therefore SEED is SPIRIT, the Holy Spirit or the Holy Ghost is the WORD, the SPIRIT and ALSO the SEED.

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible SEED (flesh), but of incorruptible SEED (SPIRIT), by the Word of God (Spirit of God, Seed of God), which (the Seed, the Spirit, the Word) liveth and abideth forever.



When we depart this body of flesh; Spirit ONLY remains, Spirit is GOD, we become (the image of) God.

As for Psalms 82 It is the Word. It is prophecy.

Psalms 83:1 God (the Word) standeth in the congregation (those that receive the Word) of the mighty; he (the Word) judgeth among the gods (gods that are flesh and gods that are born again SPIRIT; first; you bear the flesh, then the Spirit).

Psalms 82:2 How long (God, the Word) will you judge unjustly (we see no justice right now), and accept the persons of the wicked?

Psalms 82:3 (God, the Word) defend the poor and fatherless; do justice to the afflected and needy.

Psalms 82:4 (God, the Word) deliver the poor and needy: (God, the Word) rid them out of the hand of the wicked.

Psalms 82:5 They (gods of this world) know not, neither do they understand; they walk in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

Psalms 82:6 I (God, the word) have said (and my WORDS will not return unto me void) YE ARE GODS; the children of the most high.

But ye shall die like men (flesh, and ONLY the SPIRIT will remain), and fall like one of the princes (of this world).

Thank you Alex & no offence taken at all. So what you're saying is that if Psalm 82 & John 10 have the expression, "ye are gods", then in your mind it doesn't matter what the subject matter is around that phrase. So if it speaks about judges or of wrong judgement being given out, then all that information is irrelevant as everything has to come back to the parable of the sower, seeds, etc.? Are you not able to see that this makes the Bible totally useless to everyone (of course, except to a few as yourself, who can see through the whole account & dig up an 'inner or deeper' meaning?).

Rather than to pursue such strange reasoning of the Scriptures, I would ask you, how did you learn to interpret the Bible in such a manner? Does your Fellowship teach this or did you learn this from some other source? I was interested enough to try & Google such beliefs/interpretations, but nothing came up, so I figured that this must be something specific to certain individuals. Even the variety of Fellowships I've attended (from high Churches to closed brethren to pentecostal), I've never heard of the Scriptures being interpreted as you've suggested. So, I'm genuinely interested to learn how you have acquired this 'knowledge'. If you feel my questions are too personal, then I will understand if don't wish to answer them, but I truly remain perplexed about this. GBU.

GM Chris GBU But you do greatly err on Psalms 82 ITS prophetic of the Parable of the Sower and his seed the Words Jesus is saying to humanity And to whom His Words came ( his Seeds ) it made them Gods And John 10 is saying to whom the word came that good seed it made them Gods and Jesus said those scriptures cannot be broken. The parable of the sower and his precious seed are exactly the same as Psalms 82 ( THE WORDS GOD HAS SAID ) I HAVE SAID YE ARE GODS AND THE SEEDS OF THE SOWER ARE THE WORDS OF GOD. But you will die as men John said when i saw him i fell at his feet as dead. When God made that great PROMISE that Christ wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven God swore by himself impling he himself was gonna be multiplied as the stars of heaven thats y Jesus is saying to whom the WORD ( the seed of the Sower came it made them Gods ) Chris and there are not any lower case or upper case in Hebrews when God said ye are Gods its simply the result of the sower and his seed the LIVING WORD AS MY WORDS ARE SPIRIT AND LIFE. AS GOD IS SPIRIT. And is any man hears my words and keeps them ( those good seeds ) my Father and I will come and take our abode with him. Then a Marriage where we will be made 1 with God.

GM Chris GBU no offence but you you do greatly err . Psalms 82 is about something God is saying I have said ye are Gods ( there are no upper case or lower case in Hebrew ) Its Prophetic of the parable of the sower and his seed the word which is something Jesus is saying his Words are his Seeds and our Lord Said to whom the Word came as it made them Gods .1 John says the WORD IS GOD. Whatsoever a man sows that will he reap and Jesus is sowing the very seed of God thus he willl reap Gods that was the Great Promise that Christ wd be multiplied as the Stars of Heaven and here is the Kicker God swore by his very self when he made that great Promise thus its God himself that wants a posterity Christ was just the 1st born of many brethren and Jesus is the sower of the good seed thus he will be Multiplied as the stars of Heaven. Thats y Jesus refers to the H.G as the Promise he is the multiplication of Gods in humanity, THE PROMISE WHICH IS GOD, VIA HIS SEED THE WORD. SOMETHING JESUS IS SAYING his parable ( I have said, his seeds ye are Gods. Remember Jesus made clay of his spittle ( his Word and the earth humanity ) A marriage, even in the natural in a marriage 2 are made 1 ,we are gonna be made 1 with God b/c of his precious seed the living WORD Jesus even tells us if any man hears my words and keeps them my FATHER AND I WILL come and take our abode with him . We are gonna birth a Baby Christ which is the H.G. the Child of Promise ,Thats y Jesus is saying that which is born of the spirit is SPIRIT AS GOD IS SPIRIT TH H.G. OUR NEW INNERMAN. Chris Jesus is sowing the very seeds of God and he will not have a crop failure,My words cannot return unto me void. Unto us a CHILD IS BORN. AND UNLESS YOU RECEIVE THE kINGDOM OF GOD AS A LIL CHILD ETC

Hello Samuel. Psalm 82 is a clear condemnation to the unjust judges of Israel & their rulers. Where we see "gods" in verses 1 & 6, in Hebrew it is 'Elohim', otherwise rendered as god, divines, judges & rulers. In this Psalm, 'gods' clearly refers to judges who judged unjustly (vv 2-5) & would therefore hear their Judge (the LORD) pronounce their verdict of death (vv 6,7).

Jesus, in John 10:34 quotes this Psalm. You might remember the occasion: the Jews took up stones to stone Jesus for blasphemy (i.e. they believed that Jesus was a mere man & not on equal terms with God). Then Jesus responded to them: "Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?" As it was in Psalm 82, so the same condemnation is given by Jesus here, to these Jews who came 'upholding the Law & determining whether a man be condemned or not'. As God condemned those unjust judges in the Psalm, so Jesus is telling them that if they are in a position of being His judge now, why should they condemn Him for being the Son of God, One Who did God's Works in the Name & Power of God Almighty? ( John 10:34-38).

I share this extra bit on John 10 to give the connection with Psalm 82, as Jesus referred to it, that the Elohim spoken of there, applied even now, as these Jewish leaders behaved no differently to those judges in the Psalm, who judged unjustly & not with righteous judgement. And because of their responsible position, judges, society leaders & spiritual leaders who behave wickedly will receive the greater condemnation ( Matthew 23:14,23).

To whom is psalm speaking to?

Brother Jesse Tacker, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding. Hebrews 1:3 Who (Christ) being the brightness of his (the Father's) glory, and the express image of His (the Father's) person, and upholding all things by the word of his (the Father's) power, when he (Christ) by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the majesty on High. Revelation 3:14 ....The beginning of creation.... Christ was the FIRST MAN and he is GOD. The beginning (the first man) and the ending (the last man). Psalms 82:6 I (God) have said, Ye are gods, the children of the most high. John 10:34 Jesus answered them, is it not WRITTEN in your law, I said, Ye are gods? John 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom (CHRIST IN YOU) the word of God came unto; and the scripture cannot be broken; Christ is CREATING Sons of God; exactly like him, when he is finished we will be gods just as he is. Romans 8:29 ....To be conformed to the IMAGE of his Son .... Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be IN YOU which was ALSO IN Christ Jesus, who being in the form of God thought it not robbery to be EQUAL WITH GOD. The saints cannot rule and judge the world without being EXACTLY like God. Isaiah 32:1 Behold a king shall reign in righteousness, and princes shall rule in judgement." View & Reply

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Brother Jesse Tacker, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Hebrews 1:3 Who (Christ) being the brightness of his (the Father's) glory, and the express image of His (the Father's) person, and upholding all things by the word of his (the Father's) power, when he (Christ) by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the majesty on High.

Revelation 3:14 ....The beginning of creation....

Christ was the FIRST MAN and he is GOD. The beginning (the first man) and the ending (the last man).

Psalms 82:6 I (God) have said, Ye are gods, the children of the most high.

John 10:34 Jesus answered them, is it not WRITTEN in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

John 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom (CHRIST IN YOU) the word of God came unto; and the scripture cannot be broken;

Christ is CREATING Sons of God; exactly like him, when he is finished we will be gods just as he is.

Romans 8:29 ....To be conformed to the IMAGE of his Son ....

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be IN YOU which was ALSO IN Christ Jesus, who being in the form of God thought it not robbery to be EQUAL WITH GOD.

The saints cannot rule and judge the world without being EXACTLY like God.

Isaiah 32:1 Behold a king shall reign in righteousness, and princes shall rule in judgement.

Taylor, May CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

You say, What's soon coming of age is the 4th beast of Daniel to devour us.

The first kingdom described in Daniel was the Babylonian kingdom, the second was the kingdom of the Medes and Persians and the third was the kingdom of Alexander the Great (Greek).

The FORTH kingdom is the KINGDOM OF GOD; which begin at the preaching of John the Baptist.

You say, God's judgements on this world starts with the abomination of desolation, the falling away.

This began also with the preaching of John the Baptist. Death and the grave (power of Satan) were to be conquered and immortality would be available.

You say, The devil runs free 42 ticks.

The devil had possession of all the kingdoms of the world beginning with Adam and Eve; but NOW when John came preaching the kingdom of God, he was given only 42 more months (Christ ministery on earth) UNTIL he would LOSE HIS KINGDOMS. When Christ was resurrected, the kingdoms of this world became the KINGDOMS OF GOD. CHRIST IN YOU; Satan cast out.

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there was a great voice in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

You say, The temple antichrist builds is the same temple Jesus Messiah will use upon his return.

You are looking for what CAN BE seen; Christ is WORKING in WHAT CANNOT be seen.

The antichrist has occupied God's temple since you were born; Christ has come THE SECOND TIME in the form of SPIRIT (can't be seen) and is casting anti (Flesh opposes Spirit) Christ out; NOW only CHRIST IN YOU exist in HIS TEMPLE (you are the temple of God).

Let us CREATE man in our IMAGE.

Nothing left to oppose God. ANTI has been destroyed.

This is the GOOD news of the Gospel of the kingdom of heaven; CHRIST IN YOU.

Psalms 82:6 I (God) have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are CHILDREN of the MOST HIGH.

Brother Deshawn, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, SAITH GOD, I WILL...

Is GOD a person? Do you know anything that can speak other than a person? Saith God, I will pour out MY SPIRIT ( John 4:24 God is SPIRIT); is not he saying that he will pour out HIMSELF?

1 Corinthians 2:16 KNOW YE NOT that ye are the temple of God, and that the SPIRIT OF GOD (God is Spirit) dwells in you....

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind (God's mind) be in you, which also was in Christ Jesus:

Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the FORM OF GOD, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Psalms 82:6 I (GOD SAITH) have said, ye are gods; and all of you are CHILDREN of the MOST HIGH.

John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I SAID ye age gods?

John 10:35 If HE called them gods, unto whom the word of God came (GOD POURED OUT HIMSELF ON YOU), and the scripture cannot be broken.

CLEARLY we must take scripture at its word,not what your pasture tells you it says. Not what your dad and uncle think it says.Scripture defines Scripture, hence try reading this passage as to people it was written to. It was written to ISRAELITE S OF THE 12 TRIBES during the time before the CHRIST would come. NOT written to 21 century people, yes it is written for our benefit and our admiration. It was not written to you meanwhile it was written for you. READ THIS IN A HEBREW TRANSLATION next to your favorite version of scripture. DO A HEBREW WORD STUDY AND YOU WILL SEE THIS IN NEW LIGHT! THE MOST HIGH ( CREATED other supernatural beings like him) is sitting on his throne with heavenly council around him. THE OLD TESTAMENT CLEARLY SAYS prior in scripture like GEN 6.1-5 THAT SONS OF GOD were supernatural beings ( SPIRITS LIKE GOD) but they were gods because the FATHER HAD SONS before humans and a family of beings he created before humans....look up the hebrew word for gods ( elohim) the same translation for a god. Ancient men and woman thought different then you and me . JEWS new thier were other gods they saw them worshiped all around them on every border. THIERS ONE CREATOR GOD, who created everything, even other gods.JESUS IS THAT

Psalm 82 seems very plain to understand. Who are the "mighty" & who are the "gods" (v 1)?

The answer is clearly given in the succeeding verses: they are the unjust judges, who as 'gods', have been given the authority to administer justice as the One & Holy God does. But these 'gods' will "shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes." (v 7) because of their wickedness in administering justice.

What are you seeing here?

The Word of God is God ( John 1:1) and is not of any private interpretation ( 2 Peter 1:20).

The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unot him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. ON the other hand, he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man ( 1 Cor. 2:14,15).

The word 'Repent' in different forms (repent, repentance, repented, repentest, repenteth, repenting, repentings) is mentioned 110 times in the KJV, and means a lot more than what people by nature have been conditioned to believe. The word 'repent' used in the New Testament was translated from the Greek word "metanoeo", and means to change, transform, to think differently or reconsider - to turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan unto God ( Acts 26:18).

Only through 'True Repentance' will God be able to reveal Himself, and adopt you as His sons and daughters ( Rom. 8:15,23; 2 Cor.6:18; Gal. 4:5; Eph. 1:5; Hebr. 12:5; 1 John 3:1).

The word 'Repent' means a lot more than what people by nature have been conditioned to believe. It is the key principle of all the teachings of Jesus Christ and the axiom (basis) of the Word of God and a prerequisite and primary requirement for the salvation of mankind.

For a better understanding and the 'spiritual truth' of what it means to repent, and learn how and by whom mankind has been deceived ( Rev. 12:9), and what people must do to be reunited with the true and living God, we invite you to seek Him according to the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive ( John 14:17).

You need not that any man teach you ( Isaiah 54:13; 6:45; 1 John 2:27), It is only by revelation of God that you will come to know Christ ( Daniel 12:4,9; Amos 3:7; Matthew 16:17; Luke 2:26; Romans 16:25; 1 Cor. 2:10; Gal. 1:16; Eph. 3:3,5; Rev. 1:1). It is a narrow way that leadeth unto 'Life', and few there be that find it ( Matthew 7:14).

I've sat here and read just about everyone comment concerning 82. 1st May I ask of how many of you just up a casted down any thought of there being other gods? How many of you truly went to our Father himself and asked for interpretation of this and waited for the Lord to give it to you? Lastly have most of you studied out some of the more convincing arguments conflicting of yours? I have to say I have many years in this area and I'm going to leave all of you with this. Ask and you shall be giving seek and you shall find knock band it will be opened into you. As much as all of you want to be right can you accept the answer he may give you if you are wrong? That seems to be the appropriate question.. if you already have the answer made up yourself it's pointless to ask. The holy spirit is a gentleman he won't force himself on you. Unfortunately only a 3rd of you will even understand what I'm saying. The "I know I'm rights, no need to ask" well I pray for the blinders to be removed before it's to late.

Finally, a good answer!

Well said PM ; the point is that God has given his authority to those who rule & HE has raised them up to do good & to be just v. 3 & 4 ; Judges/Rulers forget at their peril WHO it is that really gave them authority so in spite of v.6 , Judges/Rulers would do well to remember v. 7 & 8 ...verses 1 & 2 provide us with the context. We therefore as subjects of whichever society we are a part of should obey authority & commit our obedience to God to judge righteously .

Part 3: In Job 1:6 the angels sons of God were congregating, along with Satan and his angels. We know it was off-world by the language used visiting Earth, up and down it, etc as angels are only beings capable of interstellar travel not men. Also read Luke 10:18 "I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven" which ties-in verse 7 "But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes".

Part 2: The second verdict is that a GOD Jesus Christ? is appointed to Arise and judge the Earth, and will inherit all nations. Side note: This type of celestial court where angelic beings congregate is eluded to several times in the Bible. Most notably was in Job when Satan and his angels where called to present themselves before the LORD. Part 3 coming next...

Part 1: Referring to the celestial court, the sons of God are ANGELIC beings NOT mortals. Clearly defined in this passage where they are identified as Gods i.e. sons of God . Can't miss that. What's tell-telling though is in verse 7-8 where a supreme GOD is chastising some for judging unjustly..and creating disorder. The verdict is doling out of punishments Ye shall Die like men .

Psalms 82:6 is taken out of content. Psalms 82:6 " I have said, Ye are gods and all of you are the children of the most High." God is saiding you belong to me,and all of you are the children of the most High. You are children of the most High God is referring to Himslef. God is our creator ,He created everything and there is only one God. Other gods that GOD speak of are false gods.

This verse is regarding fallen Angels! It's time for the truth. Horrible shame that God's people have been so blinded and not taught the truth. Just horrible! God's people perish for lack of knowledge. Now, the truth is being revealed! Fallen Angels!

I think "gods" was referring to those in positions of authority, in particular, judges. These judges were supposed to protect the poor and good via Romans 13 and punish evil but they were letting evil flourish while ignoring the poor.

YES someone who studies

All I can say is Aaaamen, tell the truth. Only God can judge right now!!!

there's only one god - but the term 'god' sounds like it's being used facetiously in regards to the powerful who take themselves too seriously, yet at the same time doing nothing with their power to help the needy. (Kim Jong Un, i'm looking at you). The other Kim's are dead, incidently. The super rich/powerful's biggest fear is losing their riches/power( hence their perceived godhood)

When jesus said i and the father are one so jews stoned him then jesus asked why are you pelting stones at me for what i have done wrong? they replied we are not stoned you for your any wrong we stoned you for blasphemy.then jesus realised they misunderstood him so he clarified by giving the reference of old testament psalms 82:6 isaid " you are gods"the judges and priest were called as elohim.

This psalm was quoted by Jesus in John 10:34 specifically indicating that reborn Christians, being the sons of God are gods and it comes with the responsibilities listed in verse 3 and 4.
It warns us not to remain in darkness but to open our eyes to what our new purpose is and that as Christians we should be world changers by the love and power of our Most High Father and God.