Friends, don't turn away from the Lord; Hebrews 12:29
who in His tender love trys our faith, whether it be birth & grounded in the doctrines of Christ.
True faith is birth of the Spirit & purifies the heart 1John 3:3Psalms 24:3,4Matt 5:8
If we are experiencing tribulations as define:
properly a pressing, pressing together, pressure within ,then our Refiner has come near us & we're in the fire being refined of false doctrines, sin or for whatsoever else He purposes are, for even after we are born again of His Spirit, tribulation & suffering continues in the perfecting of our faith, though now for a different purposes.
we're experiencing Psalms 89:14
Again, don't turn away from Christ, for He has come nearer to us, to purge out the dross
Love the Fire, its separates the precious from the vile, let us not hide our head in the darkness of an hole, like an ostrich & say i don't want to talk about it.
I hope you notice I said, we, us, our, Friends we all begin as miserable sinners, but we don't have to remain sinners.
Col 1:21,22 lets press towards the high calling in Christ Jesus
What David has stated directly contradicts God's words, denies the Truth, makes God a liar. it's dishonor God, insults His Person & slanders His integrity. I recall you speaking somewhat of this to Spencer, What about our God
You don't call this hardness of heart? Speaking such things before a holy & pure God, as this is what God means, interpreting God's words, When God has given us Light & has not left us in the dark in such matters, 2Cor 2:10-13
Isaiah 1:27
Gigi, in truth, what I spoken is a token, a extension of God grace, mercy & love Him
Grace reveal God's judgments upon all ungodliness & righteousness that leads us to godliness, convicting of one & teaching the other.
John 16:8
Psalms 89:14 & if he would receive it as such, he would see God's face in repentance, not to be repented of.
In love for his eternal welfare & his calling of God in this life, I've waited on the Lord for instructions & so I spoke, as of now, I'm clear of this man's blood Acts 18:6 & if I'm clear in my conscience before God, no mortal can condemn me for it, & if not
Concerning our conversation continuing as being unfruitful, that will depend on our love for the Truth,
COMPARING PREMILLENNIAL AND AMILLENNIAL VIEW POINTS.
picking up from Psalms 89:27-37.
According to this psalm the covenant concerns David, his physical seed, and the relationship of his rule to the children of Israel. There is no indication that this kingdom extended to a spiritual entity such as the church nor that the throne in view is the throne of God in heaven rather than the throne of David on earth.
As mentioned previously; in Isaiah 9:6-7 it is stated again that the throne of David is in view:
Yhe throne of David is mentioned specifically and the promise indicates that the fulfillment will go on forever.
In Jeremiah 23:5-6 the reign of the king who is the son of David is described as coming to pass in a day when Judah and Israel shall be saved and dwell safely.
In the verses immediately following, this reign is linked with the regathering of the children of Israel and their occupation of their ancient lands. Jeremiah 23:7-8.
It is certainly extreme spiritualization to take the regathering of Israel as an equivalent of the outcalling of the church and the execution of "justice and righteousness in the land" as being a reference to the rule of Christ in heaven, as amillenarians would need to interpret the passage. This is another strong confirmation that the literal interpretation of the Davidic covenant was intended.
In Jeremiah 30:7-9 another reference is found to the reign of the seed of David and again it is in a context of Israel's future regathering which will be consummated following the great tribulation.
As in other passages, the fulfillment of the Davidic covenant is linked with the return of Israel to the land following their time of Jacob's trouble, as indicated in the preceding verses Jeremiah 30:10-12
Here it is stated that they will serve God and David their king.
In part 1 I briefly gave a premillennialism view point and way of interpreting the Covenant promises.
Here's the amillennial point of view is that the Davidic kingdom promised to David's posterity is not a rule over the house of Israel, but a spiritual rule over the saints fulfilled in Christ's present session at the right hand of God. Such an idea of course is not contained in the Davidic covenant as it is recorded in II Samuel 7, but it is asserted that later Scriptures give this interpretation. For this reason the implications of the provisions of the Davidic covenant can be determined only after ascertaining the interpretation placed upon this covenant by other Old Testament Scriptures. Then a further step must be taken of examining the New Testament treatment of the same subject. Though this can be done only briefly within the limits of our present discussion, some important facts can be cited which decisively determine the ultimate interpretation of the Davidic covenant.
The covenant with David is not only given twice in its major content in
2 Samuel 7 and I Chronicles 17 but it is also confirmed in Psalm 89.
In this and other Old Testament references there is no allusion anywhere to the idea that these promises are to be understood in a spiritualized sense as referring to the church or to a reign of God in heaven.
Rather, it is linked to the earth and to the seed of Israel, and to the land. According to Psalm 89:3-4. It is declared again in Psalms 89:28-34.
It is promised that the seed will endure forever in spite of the specific problem of Israel's sins and departure from God. It is affirmed unalterably that God is going to fulfill His Word to David regardless of what his seed does.
Obviously the "EVERLASTING" conditons described in scripture concerning the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants.
Scriptures such as Isaiah 51:11 and many others don't exist of yet.
They are certainly back in the land but the wailing wall in Jerusalem reminds me of Matthew 27:25.
Also Matthew 23:38-39 seems to parallel with Hosea 5:15.
Does Israel disobedience void the UNCONDITIONAL COVENANT AND PROMISES?
According to Psalms 89:27-36. NO!
"My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him.
His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven.
If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments;
If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;
Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes.
Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, NOR SUFFER MY FAITHFULNESS TO FAIL.
( This is a marvelous saying! It's God's faithfulness that is on display!!)
MY COVENANT WILL I NOT BREAK, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.
Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.
His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me."
Daniel has much to say about this in Daniel 9:24
"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy."
Jesus was the fulfillment of Scripture in the Old Testament. Luke 24:19-27, Psalms 22, Isaiah 53, Zechariah 13:6, & many more.
The Holy Scriptures are broken down in Books & Separated by New Testament & Old Testament, none of which have been accredited as authored by Jesus. However many believe all were written about Jesus (redemption ) The Old Testament is before Jesus was born. The New Testament begins with Jesus birth, death on cross, resurrection from the grave, the witnessed accounts of Jesus life, ministry, miracles. Then continues the Good News os Salvation & ministry of the Church. Christians & Messianic Jews believe in the New Testament as Christ The Messiah the promised everlasting savior. Psalms 93:2, 1Kings 9:5, Zechariah 6:12-13, Psalms 89:3,4, 1Chronicles 17:11-27, Hebrews 8,
Matthew 8:4, Jesus obeyed scripture, Mark 1:44, & Jesus parents on Earth obeyed scripture, Luke 2:22,
Jesus gave us the Holy Spirit = Luke 11, John 20:21-22, Luke 12, Acts 1:5, John 14:16,26, John 15:26,
The earth is the Lord's and the fulness thereof. 1Corinthians 10:26, Psalms 24:1, Psalms 89:11, Psalms 50:12, Ephesians 1:10, Daniel 2:20-22, Genesis 1:28, Luke 9:1, 1Corinthians 15:23-28, John 19:5-11
Proverbs 29:2, Revelation 3:10,
Matthew 28:18, Acts 1:8, Matthew 18:18, Mark 16:17-19
You are very knowledgeable in the scriptures, and you didn't get there by not understanding that a great deal of scriptures are symbolised or signified.
Revelation 1:1 .....and SIGNIFIED IT ......
Revelation 12:i And there appeared a great wonder in heaven .....
Is heaven the physical, OR, signified? the word says it's signified.
The woman also is signified, being Christ's church, or his bride.
The wonder IN HEAVEN is a woman, the church, the bride of Christ, YOU ARE HEAVEN, the abode of GOD and Christ at his right hand.
Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder IN SUZE; SUZE clothed with the SUN (the Father abiding in SUZE, and the MOON (Christ, the faithful witness IN HEAVEN) under SUZE'S feet, and upon SUZE'S head a crown of twelve stars (an innumerable company of angels, ministering spirits).
Psalms 84:11 The LORD God is a SUN (signified) and shield: the LORD (the sun) will give GRACE and GLORY: no good thing will he (the sun) withhold from them (SUZE) that walk uprightly.
Psalms 121:6 The SUN (the Father) shall not smite thee by day, nor the MOON (Christ, the faithful witness in heaven) by night.
Psalms 89:35 Once have I (the Father) sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.
Psalms 89:36 HIS SEED (CHRIST'S SEED)(SUZE the SEED) shall endure forever, and his (Christ's) throne as the SUN (the Father) before me (Christ).
Psalms 89:37 It (Christ's throne, SUZE the throne, set in heaven) shall be established forever as the MOON (Christ), as my faithful witness IN HEAVEN (IN SUZE).
Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is MY FAITHFUL WITNESS ......in HEAVEN, in SUZE, this mystery .....CHRIST IN YOU ......
Hi Rosa. The word 'horn' that you read in some Psalms (e.g. Psalms 92:10; 132:17; 18:2; etc), usually have reference to the horn of the unicorn (or, wild ox). I usually picture a rhinocerous in these instances & the power that this beast holds against most all land animals. So the meanings associated with 'horn', can be various, but certainly, one could use, 'power, strength, dignity' in those verses. But in Psalm 75:5, for example, it denotes 'one that is arrogant or haughty'. Keep these words in mind as you re-read those Psalms.
"All the saints salute you." 2 Corinthians 13:13 KJV
"That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;" Colossians 2:2 KJV
"In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge." Colossians 2:3 KJV
"For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints." 1 Corinthians 14:33 KJV
"God is greatly to be feared in the assembly of the saints, and to be had in reverence of all them that are about him." Psalms 89:7 KJV
"Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?" 1 Corinthians 6:2 KJV
Sister GiGi: Revelation is very much ACTUAL; but the ACTUAL is hidden in symbols, metaphors, etc.
The seven seals were opened at the death and resurrection of Christ and pentecost, forty five days later.
Revelation 6
First seal white horse (Christ) to conquer (as Holy Ghost).
Second seal red horse (Satan to deceive the whole world)
Third seal, black horse, balances (judgement give to rightly divide the word of God)
Forth seal Death and the grave
Fifth seal Old testament saints awaiting Christ resurrection.
Hebrews 11:39 And these all (Old Saints) having obtained a good report through FAITH (given to them by the Holy Ghost), received not the promise (of Eternal life, but having to wait under the alter (the grave) for Christ resurrection).
Hebrews 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us (we shall never see death), that they (Old Saints) without us (New Saints) should be made perfect (through Christ resurrection).
Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that has his part in the FIRST RESURRECTION .....
Sixth seal Christ crucifixation and resurrection.
Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon turned to blood.
Joel 2:31 And the sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible DAY of the Lord come.
Matthew 27:51-53 earthquake, Old saints resurrected, moon (symbolic of Christ, Psalms 89:37).
Seventh seal silence in heaven one half hour (symbolic) of the forty five days between the resurrection and pentecost.
Daniel 12:11 From the time the daily sacrifice shall be taken away and the ABOMINATION THAT MAKETH DESOLATE SET UP, there shall be twelve hundred ninety days (forty two months, Christ ministry IN THE FLESH).
Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days (pentecost, Christ second coming and ministry on earth).
God is not tangible, God is life, faith, mercy, truth, counsel, light, understanding, wisdom, ETC.
Satan is not tangible, Satan is the exact opposite of all these things that God is, death, lies, deception, falsehoods, hatred, ETC.
HEAVEN is metaphor for MAN.
Man is born into this earth with no qualities of God, look at this world and you can see that the qualities of Satan abound, and govern man.
Man is either the image of his Father, death, lies, deception, hatred,etc. Or he is the image of his Father, life, truth, love, mercy,etc.
Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in HEAVEN (in man, in YOU); a woman (Christ's wife, YOU) clothed with the sun (brightness of God) and the moon (God's faithful witness in the heavens, Psalms 89:37) under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars.
Revelation 12:2 And SHE (Christ wife) being with child (to be delivered into TRUTH, the WORD of God) cried, travailing in birth, (of the WORD), and pained to be delivered.
But look at the next verse.
Revelation 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven (in man, IN YOU): and behold a great red dragon (lies, deception, hatred, falsehoods, in you) ......
Revelation 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars (ANGELS, those chosen to be spirit messengers of Christ, Christ wife) of heaven (man, YOU) and did cast them to earth (among all the deception, lies, falsehoods): and the dragon (lies, deceptions, falsehoods) stood before the woman (Christ wife) which was ready to be delivered (INTO TRUTH), to devour her child (YOU the new creation in Christ, the IMAGE OF CHRIST)(with lies and deception and falsehoods) as soon as it (the Child, YOU) was born (as soon as YOU were BORN OF TRUTH through the Holy Ghost coming to you, falsehoods and lies and deception have tried to keep you from being ONE WITH TRUTH, WITH GOD.
I myself have had many beautiful discussions with Mormons & Jehovah Witnesses. I'm sorry if I mix up the teachings. 1st I want to say many of both, are very kind, I liked just about everyone I encountered. With few exceptions. However, many scriptural discussions seemed to point to teaching that was not in-line with JKV HOLY Bible.
1st important 1= Galatians 1:3-10, 2 Corinthians 11:3-4, teach don't believe another gospel even if an Angel brings, Mormons have a "new" teaching brought from "An Angel".
2nd Book of Mormon, addition to Bible? Psalms 89:34, Rev. 22:18, Deuteronomy 12:32,
3rd Mormons teach that Women can't be prophets untrue : Judges 4:4, Luke 2:36, Joel 2:28.
4th & maybe most important Mormons don't believe CHRIST Jesus is who HE says HE is. : Isaiah 53, Psalms 22, John 19, John 1,
Why do you ask?
Baptist are supposed to believe in Scripture.
I myself like to stick to the WORD of GOD. Those two are not your only choices. The choices really come down to the WORD itself here's some : John 3:15-16, Matthew 25:31-46, James 1:26-27, John 14:16,
This psalm is multifaceted. There are many parallel references to David and Christ ruling in the future Millennium period (v.22-23); with a covenant promising these things as well as the eternal aspects of these promises. There is also the apparent violation of God of a covenant to Ethan the Ezrahite in v. 38-51. This; of course can't be true; but it is clear from the earlier verses that chastisement can occur but God never ultimately forsakes His eternal covenants; as long as the moon and sun remain. There is a description of the heavens and the earth (v.11) which reminds us of the evidences of God to the world in Romans 1 and Psalm 19. There is the fear and reverence of God shown from the saints in the assembly which could symbolize souls of the righteous and/or the future Resurrected and raptured saint of God.
Here is scripture & thought on the matter for deeper questions that are taught on this issue.
Genesis 1:26-28, Genesis 2:7,8,15,16,18,21,22,23,24, notice in Genesis 1:27-28, says male & female & have dominion over & subdue over the sea, air, and living thing that moveth on the earth. Then HE put 'the man" in garden. Was this a certain man & his wife seperated in a special garden? Notice in Genesis 1:29 all fruit from every tree was good for meat. However in the Garden that HE planted Genesis Genesis 2:8-9, he put the man he had formed & breathed life into him & he became a living soul. Genesis 2:7,
Genesis 4:15 presence of other people,
Hebrews 13:8, John 1:1-5, Leviticus 18, establishes GOD's law, James 1:13-16,
Luke 1:69, Psalms 89:24-27, Titus 2:11-12, Hebrews 5,
Genesis 4:25,26, 1 Corinthians 15:20-23, one lineage from Adam to Seth to Jesus recorded lineage of redemption Matthew, we are adopted heirs through Christ, Ephesians 1:5
Many agree this lineage was significant to show fall of mankind & redemption
Sister Sacha, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and His understanding.
Judgement is not punishment.
Psalms 89:14 Justice and judgement are the habitation of thy throne, mercy and truth shall go before thy face.
Psalms 37:28 For the LORD loveth judgement .....
Matthew 23:23 Woe unto to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites .....and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, JUDGEMENT, MERCY, and FAITH .......
Wrath and indignation are punishments.
The Father put all HIS wrath and indignation upon Christ, so man would not have to suffer God's wrath and indignation.
Revelation 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the LAMB are the TEMPLE of it.
Revelation 15:5 And I looked, and, behold, the TEMPLE of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:
We know that Revelation is the revealing of Jesus Christ. When John came preaching the kingdom of God, the TEMPLE of the tabernacle of the testimony was opened to man.
Revelation 15:6 And the seven angels came out of the TEMPLE (Lord God Almighty), having the seven plagues, clothed in pure white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.
Revelation 15:7 And one of the four living creatures (one of the living creatures is MAN) gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials (sins of mankind) full of the WRATH OF GOD, who liveth for ever and ever.
Revelation 15:8 And the TEMPLE of God (THE LAMB) was filled with smoke from the glory of God (the Father), and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the TEMPLE (INTO CHRIST), till the seven plagues (WRATH AND INDIGNATION of God was poured out on Christ) of the seven angels we fulfilled.
After Christ (THE TEMPLE) was resurrected, then man could enter into the TEMPLE (INTO CHRIST).
Thank you Lord for walking with me through my afflictions. Thank you for not forsaking me. Your Word comforts me, and brings me peace that I cannot explain. Thank you Lord for how you are ever present with me. Bless those who are against me, shine your face on all of us. Thank you Lord as I eagerly await your coming as you promised. Praise you Lord for your Love and Comfort.
Thanks for the tip! I downloaded YouVersion app then KJV with audio, works fine, hopefully audio feature is playing from download and not streaming from internet, takes to much data.
I have never heard of those Metzger names, earliest ancestors I am aware of in my lineage are a Phillip & Phoebe Metzger migrated to U.S.A. Marion county Ohio, from Baden-Baden, Germany around 1840.
Jeremy, most, if not all, of Revelation contains symbols that has spiritual truths that can only be discerned by the workings of the Spirit within you. Throughout the Word of God, as you study, the Spirit will reveal the key to the symbols. An example would be: Psalms 89:36 His (Christ) seed (whose seed we are) shall endure for ever, and his (Christ) throne as the sun before me (the Father). (vs) 37 It (Christ throne) shall be established forever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven (us, spiritual heaven, our minds [foreheads]). Selah. These verses give insight to other verses such as; Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven (us, our mind [forehead]) a woman ( Galatians 4:26 new Jerusalem, the mother of us all, in travail, waiting to give birth) clothed with the sun (Christ), and the moon (Christ) under her (us, the woman) feet..... Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ (sun and moon), who (Christ) is the faithful witness..... Joel 2:31 And the sun (Christ the light of the world) shall be turned in to darkness (death), and the moon (Christ) into blood (a spear was thrust into the side of Christ and out came water and blood) before the great and terrible (wonderful) day of the Lord come (Pentecost, the outpouring of the Spirit on mankind).
I will do my best to keep God's calendar and not the ridiculous Gregorian calendar that has everyone fouled up.
The Book of Enoch from the Dead Sea Scrolls gives us the Solar Priestly Calendar.
The Book of Enoch covers topics on the solar priestly calendar, origins of demons and giants, why some angels fell from heaven, an explanation of why the Great Flood was morally necessary, and the thousand-year reign of the Messiah.
The Book of Jude speaks of these fallen angels and Enoch is mentioned as having preached against them ( Jude 1: 14-15).
Sabbath days remain constant on the Enoch calendar in relation to the spring equinox; but they will rotate on the Gregorian calendar.
Enoch lived 365 years (and possibly .242)
The spring equinox is the great equalizer of the calendar and is the leap day that rectifies the calendar every year (day 365.242), look at (Ps. Ch. 19)
March 20, 2020 (sunrise to sunrise) was the 365th day of the solar year (the day of the spring equinox), making March 21, 2020 the first day of the first month of the New Year (and the 4th day of the week)
The 364 day Enoch solar calendar runs off the 365.242 day solar cycle
When does the day start? Look at ( Gen 1:16, 18, 19:33, 34, Ex. 10:13, 16:22-27,
We are specifically commanded to use the SUN as the sign for days, Sabbaths, months, years, Sabbaths of years, jubilees, and feasts, and for all seasons of the year.
The LUNAR cycle for the year is 354 days
The Enoch solar calendar is 364 days (+ 365th and day of spring equinox)
The moon is to be for light upon the earth at night ( Gen. 1:14, Psalms 136:9, Jeremiah 31:35), for seasons ( Psalms 104:19), and for a witness to the covenant of David ( Psalms 89:37).
The ONLY calendar that can reckon Daniel's 70 weeks is the Enoch calendar.
Mathew 7:11 Says "If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him" You are totally wrong. Jesus healed people and God has not changed. The Bible says God is the same yesterday, today and forever. He wants His children well just as you want your children well, and even more says the Bible.
Healing is a good gift. Jesus only did what he saw his father do. So he healed everyone that asked him. Therefore God wants to heal everyone that asks Him. If you don't believe God wants us well, you are going against God. Christ The Healer in You. Amazon
Friends, don't turn away from the Lord; Hebrews 12:29
who in His tender love trys our faith, whether it be birth & grounded in the doctrines of Christ.
True faith is birth of the Spirit & purifies the heart 1John 3:3 Psalms 24:3,4 Matt 5:8
If we are experiencing tribulations as define:
properly a pressing, pressing together, pressure within ,then our Refiner has come near us & we're in the fire being refined of false doctrines, sin or for whatsoever else He purposes are, for even after we are born again of His Spirit, tribulation & suffering continues in the perfecting of our faith, though now for a different purposes.
we're experiencing Psalms 89:14
Again, don't turn away from Christ, for He has come nearer to us, to purge out the dross
Love the Fire, its separates the precious from the vile, let us not hide our head in the darkness of an hole, like an ostrich & say i don't want to talk about it.
I hope you notice I said, we, us, our, Friends we all begin as miserable sinners, but we don't have to remain sinners.
Col 1:21,22 lets press towards the high calling in Christ Jesus
in love & truth
According to
Luke 6:45 you can !
What David has stated directly contradicts God's words, denies the Truth, makes God a liar. it's dishonor God, insults His Person & slanders His integrity. I recall you speaking somewhat of this to Spencer, What about our God
You don't call this hardness of heart? Speaking such things before a holy & pure God, as this is what God means, interpreting God's words, When God has given us Light & has not left us in the dark in such matters, 2Cor 2:10-13
Isaiah 1:27
Gigi, in truth, what I spoken is a token, a extension of God grace, mercy & love Him
Grace reveal God's judgments upon all ungodliness & righteousness that leads us to godliness, convicting of one & teaching the other.
John 16:8
Psalms 89:14 & if he would receive it as such, he would see God's face in repentance, not to be repented of.
In love for his eternal welfare & his calling of God in this life, I've waited on the Lord for instructions & so I spoke, as of now, I'm clear of this man's blood Acts 18:6 & if I'm clear in my conscience before God, no mortal can condemn me for it, & if not
Concerning our conversation continuing as being unfruitful, that will depend on our love for the Truth,
I know where I stand.
in love & truth
Part 3.
COMPARING PREMILLENNIAL AND AMILLENNIAL VIEW POINTS.
picking up from Psalms 89:27-37.
According to this psalm the covenant concerns David, his physical seed, and the relationship of his rule to the children of Israel. There is no indication that this kingdom extended to a spiritual entity such as the church nor that the throne in view is the throne of God in heaven rather than the throne of David on earth.
As mentioned previously; in Isaiah 9:6-7 it is stated again that the throne of David is in view:
Yhe throne of David is mentioned specifically and the promise indicates that the fulfillment will go on forever.
In Jeremiah 23:5-6 the reign of the king who is the son of David is described as coming to pass in a day when Judah and Israel shall be saved and dwell safely.
In the verses immediately following, this reign is linked with the regathering of the children of Israel and their occupation of their ancient lands. Jeremiah 23:7-8.
It is certainly extreme spiritualization to take the regathering of Israel as an equivalent of the outcalling of the church and the execution of "justice and righteousness in the land" as being a reference to the rule of Christ in heaven, as amillenarians would need to interpret the passage. This is another strong confirmation that the literal interpretation of the Davidic covenant was intended.
In Jeremiah 30:7-9 another reference is found to the reign of the seed of David and again it is in a context of Israel's future regathering which will be consummated following the great tribulation.
As in other passages, the fulfillment of the Davidic covenant is linked with the return of Israel to the land following their time of Jacob's trouble, as indicated in the preceding verses Jeremiah 30:10-12
Here it is stated that they will serve God and David their king.
See Part 4.
Part 2.
In part 1 I briefly gave a premillennialism view point and way of interpreting the Covenant promises.
Here's the amillennial point of view is that the Davidic kingdom promised to David's posterity is not a rule over the house of Israel, but a spiritual rule over the saints fulfilled in Christ's present session at the right hand of God. Such an idea of course is not contained in the Davidic covenant as it is recorded in II Samuel 7, but it is asserted that later Scriptures give this interpretation. For this reason the implications of the provisions of the Davidic covenant can be determined only after ascertaining the interpretation placed upon this covenant by other Old Testament Scriptures. Then a further step must be taken of examining the New Testament treatment of the same subject. Though this can be done only briefly within the limits of our present discussion, some important facts can be cited which decisively determine the ultimate interpretation of the Davidic covenant.
The covenant with David is not only given twice in its major content in
2 Samuel 7 and I Chronicles 17 but it is also confirmed in Psalm 89.
In this and other Old Testament references there is no allusion anywhere to the idea that these promises are to be understood in a spiritualized sense as referring to the church or to a reign of God in heaven.
Rather, it is linked to the earth and to the seed of Israel, and to the land. According to Psalm 89:3-4. It is declared again in Psalms 89:28-34.
It is promised that the seed will endure forever in spite of the specific problem of Israel's sins and departure from God. It is affirmed unalterably that God is going to fulfill His Word to David regardless of what his seed does.
Sew Part 3.
Part 2.
Obviously the "EVERLASTING" conditons described in scripture concerning the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants.
Scriptures such as Isaiah 51:11 and many others don't exist of yet.
They are certainly back in the land but the wailing wall in Jerusalem reminds me of Matthew 27:25.
Also Matthew 23:38-39 seems to parallel with Hosea 5:15.
Does Israel disobedience void the UNCONDITIONAL COVENANT AND PROMISES?
According to Psalms 89:27-36. NO!
"My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him.
His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven.
If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments;
If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;
Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes.
Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, NOR SUFFER MY FAITHFULNESS TO FAIL.
( This is a marvelous saying! It's God's faithfulness that is on display!!)
MY COVENANT WILL I NOT BREAK, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.
Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.
His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me."
Daniel has much to say about this in Daniel 9:24
"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy."
See Examining the covenants
Part 2.
God bless.
The Holy Scriptures are broken down in Books & Separated by New Testament & Old Testament, none of which have been accredited as authored by Jesus. However many believe all were written about Jesus (redemption ) The Old Testament is before Jesus was born. The New Testament begins with Jesus birth, death on cross, resurrection from the grave, the witnessed accounts of Jesus life, ministry, miracles. Then continues the Good News os Salvation & ministry of the Church. Christians & Messianic Jews believe in the New Testament as Christ The Messiah the promised everlasting savior. Psalms 93:2, 1Kings 9:5, Zechariah 6:12-13, Psalms 89:3,4, 1Chronicles 17:11-27, Hebrews 8,
Matthew 8:4, Jesus obeyed scripture, Mark 1:44, & Jesus parents on Earth obeyed scripture, Luke 2:22,
Jesus gave us the Holy Spirit = Luke 11, John 20:21-22, Luke 12, Acts 1:5, John 14:16,26, John 15:26,
2Timothy 3:16
Hope these are helpful
Pray for wisdom of what to do: James 1:5
Proverbs 29:2, Revelation 3:10,
Matthew 28:18, Acts 1:8, Matthew 18:18, Mark 16:17-19
Genesis 5:24, Hebrews 11:5, 1Samuel 15:35, Job 10:21,22, Job 34:22, Job 38:17, Revelation 2:7, Luke 23:33-43, Luke 16:19-31, Psalms 6:5, Psalms 48:14, Psalms 49:14, Ecclesiastes 8:8, Isaiah 38:18, Romans 7, 2Corinthians 7:10,
Psalms 56:13, Psalms 89:48, Proverbs 10:2, Proverbs 14:27, Ecclesiastes 9:4,
Psalms 116:15, Proverbs 14:32, Isaiah 9:2, Isaiah 25:8, Hosea 13:14, Luke 18:33, John 8:51, John 5:24, Acts 2:24-27, Romans 5:10-21, Romans 6:2-23, Romans 8, 2Timothy 1:10, 1John 3:14,
Jeremiah 21:8, Ezekiel 18:31,32, 1Corinthians 15:20-58, Revelation 1:18,
Hebrews 2:9-18, Revelation 20, Revelation 21,
You are very knowledgeable in the scriptures, and you didn't get there by not understanding that a great deal of scriptures are symbolised or signified.
Revelation 1:1 .....and SIGNIFIED IT ......
Revelation 12:i And there appeared a great wonder in heaven .....
Is heaven the physical, OR, signified? the word says it's signified.
The woman also is signified, being Christ's church, or his bride.
The wonder IN HEAVEN is a woman, the church, the bride of Christ, YOU ARE HEAVEN, the abode of GOD and Christ at his right hand.
Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder IN SUZE; SUZE clothed with the SUN (the Father abiding in SUZE, and the MOON (Christ, the faithful witness IN HEAVEN) under SUZE'S feet, and upon SUZE'S head a crown of twelve stars (an innumerable company of angels, ministering spirits).
Psalms 84:11 The LORD God is a SUN (signified) and shield: the LORD (the sun) will give GRACE and GLORY: no good thing will he (the sun) withhold from them (SUZE) that walk uprightly.
Psalms 121:6 The SUN (the Father) shall not smite thee by day, nor the MOON (Christ, the faithful witness in heaven) by night.
Psalms 89:35 Once have I (the Father) sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.
Psalms 89:36 HIS SEED (CHRIST'S SEED)(SUZE the SEED) shall endure forever, and his (Christ's) throne as the SUN (the Father) before me (Christ).
Psalms 89:37 It (Christ's throne, SUZE the throne, set in heaven) shall be established forever as the MOON (Christ), as my faithful witness IN HEAVEN (IN SUZE).
Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is MY FAITHFUL WITNESS ......in HEAVEN, in SUZE, this mystery .....CHRIST IN YOU ......
God Bless you.
"That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;" Colossians 2:2 KJV
"In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge." Colossians 2:3 KJV
"For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints." 1 Corinthians 14:33 KJV
"God is greatly to be feared in the assembly of the saints, and to be had in reverence of all them that are about him." Psalms 89:7 KJV
"Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?" 1 Corinthians 6:2 KJV
Rod: Exodus 4:17,
Job 9:34, Job 21:9, Psalms 2:9, Psalms 89:32, Psalms 125:3, Proverbs 10:13, Proverbs 13:24, Proverbs 22:15, Proverbs 23:13,14, Proverbs 26:3,
Proverbs 29:15, Isaiah 9:4, Isaiah 10:5, Isaiah 10:15, Isaiah 10:26, Isaiah 11:1,4, Jeremiah 10:16, Revelation 12:25,
Staff: Genesis 32:10, Genesis 38:18, Exodus 12:17, Exodus 21:19, Leviticus 26:26, Numbers 13:23, Judges 6:21, 2Samuel 3:29, 2Samuel 23:7,21, 2Kings 4:29,31, 2Kings 18:21, Isaiah 3:1, Isaiah 14:5, Isaiah 28:27,
Hopefully these are helpful
The seven seals were opened at the death and resurrection of Christ and pentecost, forty five days later.
Revelation 6
First seal white horse (Christ) to conquer (as Holy Ghost).
Second seal red horse (Satan to deceive the whole world)
Third seal, black horse, balances (judgement give to rightly divide the word of God)
Forth seal Death and the grave
Fifth seal Old testament saints awaiting Christ resurrection.
Hebrews 11:39 And these all (Old Saints) having obtained a good report through FAITH (given to them by the Holy Ghost), received not the promise (of Eternal life, but having to wait under the alter (the grave) for Christ resurrection).
Hebrews 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us (we shall never see death), that they (Old Saints) without us (New Saints) should be made perfect (through Christ resurrection).
Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that has his part in the FIRST RESURRECTION .....
Sixth seal Christ crucifixation and resurrection.
Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon turned to blood.
Joel 2:31 And the sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible DAY of the Lord come.
Matthew 27:51-53 earthquake, Old saints resurrected, moon (symbolic of Christ, Psalms 89:37).
Seventh seal silence in heaven one half hour (symbolic) of the forty five days between the resurrection and pentecost.
Daniel 12:11 From the time the daily sacrifice shall be taken away and the ABOMINATION THAT MAKETH DESOLATE SET UP, there shall be twelve hundred ninety days (forty two months, Christ ministry IN THE FLESH).
Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days (pentecost, Christ second coming and ministry on earth).
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God is not tangible, God is life, faith, mercy, truth, counsel, light, understanding, wisdom, ETC.
Satan is not tangible, Satan is the exact opposite of all these things that God is, death, lies, deception, falsehoods, hatred, ETC.
HEAVEN is metaphor for MAN.
Man is born into this earth with no qualities of God, look at this world and you can see that the qualities of Satan abound, and govern man.
Man is either the image of his Father, death, lies, deception, hatred,etc. Or he is the image of his Father, life, truth, love, mercy,etc.
Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in HEAVEN (in man, in YOU); a woman (Christ's wife, YOU) clothed with the sun (brightness of God) and the moon (God's faithful witness in the heavens, Psalms 89:37) under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars.
Revelation 12:2 And SHE (Christ wife) being with child (to be delivered into TRUTH, the WORD of God) cried, travailing in birth, (of the WORD), and pained to be delivered.
But look at the next verse.
Revelation 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven (in man, IN YOU): and behold a great red dragon (lies, deception, hatred, falsehoods, in you) ......
Revelation 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars (ANGELS, those chosen to be spirit messengers of Christ, Christ wife) of heaven (man, YOU) and did cast them to earth (among all the deception, lies, falsehoods): and the dragon (lies, deceptions, falsehoods) stood before the woman (Christ wife) which was ready to be delivered (INTO TRUTH), to devour her child (YOU the new creation in Christ, the IMAGE OF CHRIST)(with lies and deception and falsehoods) as soon as it (the Child, YOU) was born (as soon as YOU were BORN OF TRUTH through the Holy Ghost coming to you, falsehoods and lies and deception have tried to keep you from being ONE WITH TRUTH, WITH GOD.
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I myself have had many beautiful discussions with Mormons & Jehovah Witnesses. I'm sorry if I mix up the teachings. 1st I want to say many of both, are very kind, I liked just about everyone I encountered. With few exceptions. However, many scriptural discussions seemed to point to teaching that was not in-line with JKV HOLY Bible.
1st important 1= Galatians 1:3-10, 2 Corinthians 11:3-4, teach don't believe another gospel even if an Angel brings, Mormons have a "new" teaching brought from "An Angel".
2nd Book of Mormon, addition to Bible? Psalms 89:34, Rev. 22:18, Deuteronomy 12:32,
3rd Mormons teach that Women can't be prophets untrue : Judges 4:4, Luke 2:36, Joel 2:28.
4th & maybe most important Mormons don't believe CHRIST Jesus is who HE says HE is. : Isaiah 53, Psalms 22, John 19, John 1,
Why do you ask?
Baptist are supposed to believe in Scripture.
I myself like to stick to the WORD of GOD. Those two are not your only choices. The choices really come down to the WORD itself here's some : John 3:15-16, Matthew 25:31-46, James 1:26-27, John 14:16,
Hopefully this is helpful.
This psalm is multifaceted. There are many parallel references to David and Christ ruling in the future Millennium period (v.22-23); with a covenant promising these things as well as the eternal aspects of these promises. There is also the apparent violation of God of a covenant to Ethan the Ezrahite in v. 38-51. This; of course can't be true; but it is clear from the earlier verses that chastisement can occur but God never ultimately forsakes His eternal covenants; as long as the moon and sun remain. There is a description of the heavens and the earth (v.11) which reminds us of the evidences of God to the world in Romans 1 and Psalm 19. There is the fear and reverence of God shown from the saints in the assembly which could symbolize souls of the righteous and/or the future Resurrected and raptured saint of God.
Here is scripture & thought on the matter for deeper questions that are taught on this issue.
Genesis 1:26-28, Genesis 2:7,8,15,16,18,21,22,23,24, notice in Genesis 1:27-28, says male & female & have dominion over & subdue over the sea, air, and living thing that moveth on the earth. Then HE put 'the man" in garden. Was this a certain man & his wife seperated in a special garden? Notice in Genesis 1:29 all fruit from every tree was good for meat. However in the Garden that HE planted Genesis Genesis 2:8-9, he put the man he had formed & breathed life into him & he became a living soul. Genesis 2:7,
Genesis 4:15 presence of other people,
Hebrews 13:8, John 1:1-5, Leviticus 18, establishes GOD's law, James 1:13-16,
Luke 1:69, Psalms 89:24-27, Titus 2:11-12, Hebrews 5,
Genesis 4:25,26, 1 Corinthians 15:20-23, one lineage from Adam to Seth to Jesus recorded lineage of redemption Matthew, we are adopted heirs through Christ, Ephesians 1:5
Many agree this lineage was significant to show fall of mankind & redemption
John 21:25
Hopefully this is helpful to your question.
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Judgement is not punishment.
Psalms 89:14 Justice and judgement are the habitation of thy throne, mercy and truth shall go before thy face.
Psalms 37:28 For the LORD loveth judgement .....
Matthew 23:23 Woe unto to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites .....and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, JUDGEMENT, MERCY, and FAITH .......
Wrath and indignation are punishments.
The Father put all HIS wrath and indignation upon Christ, so man would not have to suffer God's wrath and indignation.
Revelation 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the LAMB are the TEMPLE of it.
Revelation 15:5 And I looked, and, behold, the TEMPLE of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:
We know that Revelation is the revealing of Jesus Christ. When John came preaching the kingdom of God, the TEMPLE of the tabernacle of the testimony was opened to man.
Revelation 15:6 And the seven angels came out of the TEMPLE (Lord God Almighty), having the seven plagues, clothed in pure white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.
Revelation 15:7 And one of the four living creatures (one of the living creatures is MAN) gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials (sins of mankind) full of the WRATH OF GOD, who liveth for ever and ever.
Revelation 15:8 And the TEMPLE of God (THE LAMB) was filled with smoke from the glory of God (the Father), and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the TEMPLE (INTO CHRIST), till the seven plagues (WRATH AND INDIGNATION of God was poured out on Christ) of the seven angels we fulfilled.
After Christ (THE TEMPLE) was resurrected, then man could enter into the TEMPLE (INTO CHRIST).
God bless you.
October 23, 2021
Psalms 89:30 If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgements;
Psalms 89:31 If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;
Psalms 89:32 Then will I visit their transgressions with the rod, and their iniquities with stripes.
Psalms 89:33 Nevertheless MY LOVINGKINDNESS will I not utterly take from him, nor SUFFER MY FAITHFULNESS TO FAIL.
I have never heard of those Metzger names, earliest ancestors I am aware of in my lineage are a Phillip & Phoebe Metzger migrated to U.S.A. Marion county Ohio, from Baden-Baden, Germany around 1840.
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Can't answer anything about the audio Bible here. You can download You Version and get the KJV audio.
BTW, do you have a Craven (Jack) & Emily Metzger ancestor?
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Psalms 89:6
"For who in the heaven can be compared unto the LORD? who among the sons of the mighty can be likened unto the LORD?"
I hear you loud and clear and completely agree.
I will do my best to keep God's calendar and not the ridiculous Gregorian calendar that has everyone fouled up.
The Book of Enoch from the Dead Sea Scrolls gives us the Solar Priestly Calendar.
The Book of Enoch covers topics on the solar priestly calendar, origins of demons and giants, why some angels fell from heaven, an explanation of why the Great Flood was morally necessary, and the thousand-year reign of the Messiah.
The Book of Jude speaks of these fallen angels and Enoch is mentioned as having preached against them ( Jude 1: 14-15).
Sabbath days remain constant on the Enoch calendar in relation to the spring equinox; but they will rotate on the Gregorian calendar.
Enoch lived 365 years (and possibly .242)
The spring equinox is the great equalizer of the calendar and is the leap day that rectifies the calendar every year (day 365.242), look at (Ps. Ch. 19)
March 20, 2020 (sunrise to sunrise) was the 365th day of the solar year (the day of the spring equinox), making March 21, 2020 the first day of the first month of the New Year (and the 4th day of the week)
The 364 day Enoch solar calendar runs off the 365.242 day solar cycle
When does the day start? Look at ( Gen 1:16, 18, 19:33, 34, Ex. 10:13, 16:22-27,
We are specifically commanded to use the SUN as the sign for days, Sabbaths, months, years, Sabbaths of years, jubilees, and feasts, and for all seasons of the year.
The LUNAR cycle for the year is 354 days
The Enoch solar calendar is 364 days (+ 365th and day of spring equinox)
The moon is to be for light upon the earth at night ( Gen. 1:14, Psalms 136:9, Jeremiah 31:35), for seasons ( Psalms 104:19), and for a witness to the covenant of David ( Psalms 89:37).
The ONLY calendar that can reckon Daniel's 70 weeks is the Enoch calendar.
Healing is a good gift. Jesus only did what he saw his father do. So he healed everyone that asked him. Therefore God wants to heal everyone that asks Him. If you don't believe God wants us well, you are going against God. Christ The Healer in You. Amazon