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PSALMS 97:2

2 ...Righteousness and Judgment are the foundation of GOD's throne.

Yea, Righteousness and Judgment are the foundation of GOD's throne, both Righteousness and Judgment are implicit in the Word. The Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing.

Who are the 24 elders sat on 24 thrones- Revelation 4:4 combined with Revelation 11:16-17?

They already are enthroned around GOD's Throne clothed in white raiment and they have on their heads CROWNS of gold. They're already crowned. In fact, GOD did choose 24 men unto which He would reveal His Word-even He Himself-to write the books of the Old Testament.

Here goes the 24 elders showed in Revelation 4:4.

They are the 24 messengers of the Word,the Word is GOD,beginning by Moses:

1 - Moses

2 - Joshua

3 - Samuel

4 - Ezra

5 - Nehemiah

6 - Job

7 - David

8 - Solomon

9 - Isaiah

10 - Jeremiah

11 - Ezekiel

12 - Daniel

13 - Hosea

14 - Joel

15 - Amos

16 - Obadiah

17 - Jonah

18 - Micah

19 - Nahum

20 - Habakkuk

21 - Zephaniah

22 - Haggai

23 - Zechariah

24 - Malachi

And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of GOD sent forth into all the earth-Rev.4:6.

What are the seven Spirits of GOD sent forth into all the earth?

Hi Jesse,

I understand in delays in replies many work and have family responsibilities. This subject is being discussed by several people and I just wanted to share a few points of my understanding on it. The questions were not directed towards you, you can reply to them if you want but they were some of the questions I wrote down when I was studying this subject because some Scriptures seem to support both understandings if not deeply studied, not saying you have not.

Scripture tells us God is love, 1 John 4:8,16 and we have been told God does not have pleasure in the death of the wicked, Ezekiel 33:11 caries us to John 3:16 God does not want us to perish. The Bible tells us the soul that sinneth will die, Ezekiel 18:4 God preserves the souls of the saints Psalms 97:10 the faith and belief in Jesus by the grace of God can save our soul Hebrews 10:39.

Scripture tells us of various degrees of punishment like in Luke 12:46-48 Revelation 21:8. In Genesis 2:7 man became a living soul/being, my understanding is the breath of God is the spirit of life which goes back to God when we die whether lost or saved and this body becomes a dead soul that sleeps in the dust until resurrection then the judgment Revelation 20.

To repeat, eternal life is our promise it is something we do not have, only by faith and belief in Jesus Christ by the grace of God we will receive this gift when we are resurrected not before. If we say our souls are immortal, we are saying we already have eternal life, and it is just where are we going to spend it?

My understanding is the lost and wicked punishment is eternal forever, not the punishing, Satan and the fallen angels the beast and false profit will be tormented day and night for ever and ever as we see in Revelation 20:10, but they are not mortal beings like we are, and we see in Matthew 25:41 it was originally prepared for them.

Just my understanding of Scripture thanks again.

God bless,

RLW

P4

" Hebrews 1:6 "And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him."

Psalms 97:1 "O sing unto the Lord a new song: sing unto the Lord, all the earth."

Psalms 97:13 "Before the LORD: for he commeth, for he commeth to judge the earth: he shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with his truth."

Ephesians 1:20 "Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,"

Philippians 2:10 "That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;"

Philippians 2:11 "And that every tounge should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

Hebrews 2:17 "Wherefore in all things it beloved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people."

Deuteronomy 18:5 "For the LORD thy God hath chosen him out of all thy tribes, to stand to minister in the name of the LORD, him and his sons for ever."

Hebrews 5:2 "Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity."

2 Corinthians 5:21 "For he hath made him to be sin for us, who know no sin, that we might be made the righteousness of God in him."

1 Peter 2:22 "Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth."

John 3:31- 32 "He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthy, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all." And what he has seen and heard, that he testifiieth; and no man receiveth his testimony."

John 3:33 "He that hath received his testimony hath set o his seal that God is true."

P5 with a couple more scriptures to follow

Psalm 97

Verse 1 indicates the "multitude of isles" being glad when the Lord reigns. This term has been said to refer to the Gentile nations or the outermost parts of the world. Ezekiel 39:6 and Isaiah 41:5 seem to refer to these parts of the world during the Tribulation with Isaiah 24:15 giving a prophetic indication that even in the fires God will be glorified.

Verse 2 on clouds and darkness are similar to Solomon's description of God in 1 Kings 8:12 similar to other passages.

Verse 3 through 5 show the affects on the earth of His coming. We are reminded of 2 Thessalonians 2:8 as well as the battle of Armageddon.

Verse 4 reminds us of Matthew 24:27 when the Son of Man comes as to His appearing.

Verse 5 shows us similar references to Psalm 68:2 among other places.

Verse 6 shows as things are now; God's presence evident to all as we see indicated in Romans 1 and Psalm 19. Man will see His glory when He comes to rule in the Millennium.

Verse 7 shows that finally idol worship will end when Christ comes back. People will eventually cast forth their idols of gold and silver during the Tribulation judgments as Isaiah 2:20. Perhaps some of that sadly will occur because Satan himself will demand worship and that will eliminate worship of any false gods but also the true God with the mark of the beast sealing people's fate.

Verse 8 shows how Judah and the remaining nation of Israel will rejoice; which will happen when He is returning as Zechariah 12:10 indicates. Verse 9 shows the majesty of God unparalleled.

Verse 10 shows how saints are delivered; either from or through disaster.

Verse 11 reminds us of His light and no longer a need for the sun and moon from Revelation 21:23 but also found in Isaiah 60:19.

Finally the last verse talks about rejoicing of the righteous and thanks at remembrance of His holiness. Good sentiment for all times or dispensations and the age to come.

Why do you not use God's name in your Bible?

The original writings always showed his name, even if it was the Tetragramatton - it still revealed his name.

Apostate: One who has abandoned one's religious faith, a political party, one's principles, or a cause.

Amos 5:15 Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish judgment in the gate: it may be that the LORD God of hosts will be gracious unto the remnant of Joseph.

Psalms 97:10 Ye that love the LORD, hate evil: he preserveth the souls of his saints; he delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked.

Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is visibly unveiled from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth with unrighteousness [wrongdoing];

The Fly Away Doctrine is evil, read Ezekiel 13:20

There are two realms of existence, the eternal spiritual realm, and the temporary physical realm. God and His beings, cherubs, seraphs, angels, and watchers exist in His spiritual realm. In our current physical realm in our physical body, we have a spirit and soul. We need a physical body to exist in our physical realm. When we die, we go to God's realm or the spirit realm, and we need our spirit body to exist in the spirit realm. Our soul is our unique identity of consciousness or awareness. Without it, we would be like an inanimate object, but we have it so we can be aware of God and our existence.

When we are saved, and God baptizes us with His Spirit, it intercourses with our spirit and He becomes alive in us, and we alive in Him, and we can understand it because of our soul.

When we die, our physical body goes back into the dust it came from, but our soul and spirit go on forever with God in the light of heaven or without him in eternal darkness.

When Isaiah said Kings shall be your nursing fathers and Queens shall be your nursing mothers thats folks that have been impregnated by his GOOD SEED and birth a baby Christ the Child of Promise.... Isaiah 49 : 23

......Kings and Queens are just symbolic language for men and women...that have heard his voice, his good seed and birth a Baby Christ...Which is the H.G. that Children of Promise Thats y he always refers to himself as the Son of man.

.....Thats y he says whosoever receives one such child in my name receives me...The Kingdom...Who is my Mother Jesus asked ,...Then he says them that hear my Words and keeps them...Initiating a heavenly Birth of Christ in us...Men and women are gonna be his mother....Simply b/c we are all gonna birth a Baby Christ....And he is gonna be every ones son...Thats y he always refers to himself as the SON of Man...Which is mankinds fruit unto God....ok

Thank you dear brother, have a blessed day.

Gi Gi...GBU ...But lemme give ya my take on the parable of the sower and his seed....Jesus tells us the good seed are the Children of the Kingdom....So the good seed are the Children of Promise...which is our new heart and new spirit...Our new innerman a baby Christ...the Child of Promise..The H.G...The multiplication of very God in humanity...God was so passionate about this great Promise that he swore by his very self...But this Promise wd require a GOOD SEED to be sown in Humanity..and a New Covenant... A body has thou prepared me...This Promise wd require a Sower and his precious seed to give birth to a heavenly ppl a Godly ppl which are spirits...As that which is born of the spirit is spirit which is the H.G. that Godly ppl that wd be born in Humanity...An Israel of God...As the gift of God is the H.G a Godly ppl that is gonna be born in humanity via his GOOD SEED...The Children of PROMISE is the H.G...OUR NEW INNERMAN..A KINGDOM ...unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in...The very reason that Woman in Rev. 12 is giving birth is simply b/c of the Sower and his PRECIOUS SEED the contents of that book the New Covenant...Her Child is a baby Christ from the seed of the sower....our bridegroom....And THATS Y HE HAS TO KNOW US..No Child NO Kingdom....Unless ya receive the Kingdom of GOD as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in.

.....Plz Note ..the Kingdom of God does not come till the Woman BIRTHS the Children... Rev. 12 : 10....Remember Jesus said the GOOD SEED are the Children of the Kingdom...When Isaiah saw the Kingdom coming....He says unto us a CHILD IS BORN UNTO US A SON IS GIVEN....And thats y we call Jesus the bridegroom....We ALL are gonna birth a baby Christ...the Children of Promise the H.G....And thats how Jesus will be multiplied as the Stars of heaven in multitudes via his seed...The Contents of that Book in the fathers right hand...All of our names are in that book...i will draw all men unto me.

Tnank ylou flr your answer!

Hey Giannis,

That's ok, I am not skilled in Greek or Hebrew.

I still respectfully disagree; my understanding is our soul is who we are. Genesis 2:7 When God breathed into Adam, and he became a living soul/being. The spirit given to us gives us life and it is what goes back to God who gave it. When we are dead there is no more breath or communication until our resurrection when this mortal puts on immortality and death is swallowed up in victory by the grace of God who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Thank you again for your reply I read your posts and I am grateful for the knowledge of Greek that you share.

God bless.

RLW

Good Morning Alex,

I didn't mention the topic of our marriage to Christ. That was off topic from the original post.

I don't concur with the way you present this topic of our union with Christ because I believe your take on it involves error.

While I do believe what Scripture says about the church being the bride of Christ, I don't believe what you speak of concerning the "seed" of Christ impregnating us and believers "birthing" a baby Christ or Ghost. I think this is seriously wrong doctrine.

But we have been this route before. I do not wish to continue a conversation on with you on the topic of your reply to me.

God bless you, Alex.

Sorry mistake, psyche is greek for soul, it is where all those psycho.. words come from.

When Isaiah said Isaiah 62 : 5 thy sons are gonna marry thee, Thats the H.G. our 1st born our only son as Zech 12 : 10 says....We are gona marry our spritual sons which are the Children of PROMISE the H.G....The spirit and the flesh are gona be made 1....When he spat on the ground he made clay of the spittal....Which implies a marriage....His word and the ground (humanity) are gonna be made 1...As he said the field is the world....so we see a marriage in the Spirit...And he anointed the eyes of the blindman with that clay...The Clay is humanity the bride, the Church...That New Creature that is married to Christ JESUS....Why is it a new creature simply b/c man and God are gonna be made 1...Thats what a Marriage is when 2 are made 1..That was his prayer that we all might be made 1...But this is a very unique marriage, We are gonna marry our sons which is the H.G. OUR 1ST BORN OUR ONLY SON...Which is Christ the son of man...Whosoever receiveth one such Child in my name receiveth ME.

Gi Gi Gbu but you leave out something....The most important part is the marriage of God with humanity...We are gonna be made 1 with God..His SPIRIT AND OUR FLESH ARE GONA BE MADE 1....Thats y John said he that has the bride is the bridegroom....Our Flesh and his spirit are gonna be made 1...Thats y he has to know us,..Thats when the good seed is sown in our hearts...Being bornagain of an incorruptible seed even by the word of God that liveth ...That good seed is the living word not the written word as the letter results in death...But the spirit results in life.... Isaiah 62 : 5...As a young man marrries a virgin so shall thy sons marry thee..As the bridegroom rejoices over the bride,..So shall thy God rejoice over thee.

.....Thats y Jesus was saying to whom the Word came ( his seed ) it made them Gods...Thus he has to know us...If he does not know us there will be no seed deposited in our hearts thus no Child of Promise and no kingdom...Unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will IN NO WISE ENTER THERE IN...ok leme go

Dear Ronald

That's right the Greek for spirit is pneuma. Pneuma (spirit) is God, the angels, the demons. But they don't have souls. So where is their concious, personality etc llocated? In their spirit of course. So the spirit is ourselves, our conscious, our thoughts, our emotions, literally ourselves. The soul ( gr phyche not psuche) is a lets say dress for the spirit, only people have souls not God not other heavenly existences.

Hey Jennifer Zink,

Just my understanding.

Soul and spirit are two different words, but some seem to think of being the same and are hard to separate in our mind. Hebrew word nephesh meaning a soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion. The Greek word psuche meaning the soul, life, self, a person's distinct identity. The soul is our personality, and is made up of our mind, our emotion, and our will.

The word spirit, the Bible writers used the Hebrew word ruach meaning breath, wind, spirit, or the Greek word pneuma also meaning wind, breath, spirit. The spirit in us is our breath that is our life, and it is the part of us that can communicate with God through His Spirit, God is a Spirit John 4:24.

In our soul/who we are, us, we live according to what we think, and we practice a wide range of human emotions, and we often respond to things according to how we are feeling. We magnify ourselves, even if what we do is good, we make decisions with our will. The desires of the flesh are very tempting, the spirit of the world.

When we are born again, we are born of the Spirit in our human spirit, He comes to live in our spirit. We receive God in our spirit and magnify Him through our soul like Psalms 69:30 Luke 1:46-47. It is like we walk into a room and flip the light switch the flow of the Spirit turns on the light that shines out of our soul.

There will be daily battles of the soul/flesh and spirit, they are contrary to each other. Our spirit/conscience the recorder of all we do and think and what is written in the books. The spirit is the steering wheel of our soul. We can be like the song, Jesus take the wheel, or we can crash and burn our soul.

God bless,

RLW

Your spirit is the intellect to your soul!

Hi Suze,

You are right. No created being is eternal as God alone is Eternal with no beginning and no end to Himself as He is Life itself.

We will share in His eternal Life when we are changed from mortal to immortal and live forever like the angels, who can never die. So, wonderful that God chose this for us sinners. The holy angels never sinned and do not need to be redeemed yet they rejoice when a sinner repents and believes the Gospel of Jesus Christ, knowing that his new believer will spend eternity with them.

Good Morning Alex,

Thanks for pointing out this passage in Corinthians. It is what i thought about when reading the posts on this thread. We are mortal now. We all have a definite beginning. Before that beginning we did not exist. Therefore, we are not eternal as God is eternal. The "Good News" is that, we will be changed upon after death and/or in the resurrection we will become immortal, living forever with the Lord. The angels are immortal, but not eternal like God is. They had a beginning but cannot die. Absolute eternity belongs only to God, but He, in His wisdom, love and grace, choose in His redemptive plan for us to share His eternal life with Himself and the angels. How wonderful is that!

Dear Jennifer.

My understanding about this is:

Our spirit is us, ourselves, who we are, our egos, our personality, where our conscious is located, where emotions and thoughts are generated. Our spirit dwells in a spiritual body called soul, which because is spiritual it cannot live in the physical world. So we were given a physical body where the soul dwells in, so we can live in the physical world. The soul is eternal, cannot die. After death the soul is separated from the dead physical body and goes accordingly to one's life either with God in Heaven or away from God in hell. When our dead physical bodies will be ressurected they will be changed, they will become immortal, glorified, of a spiritual form. They will not get ill, not die, not get hurt...And the soul will again be united with our new glorified body and we are going to live together with our God in the new earth that God will make happily for ever.

GBU

Hi again Alex , these are the references that immediately spring to mind from the New Testament : Appollumi is the Greek word translated as perish and it means to destroy fully , Luke Ch 13 V 3-5 , all of Jude but especially V 5-13 , 1st Corinthians Ch 1 V 18-29 , 2nd Thessalonians Ch 2 V 3-12 , Revelation Ch 21 V 7+8 and Revelation Ch 22 V 11-15 . Hope these help explain my beliefs a bit better , much love to you in Christ .

Ezekiel Ch 18 V 20-24 , we are in agreement Alex , if we have entered into a covenant relationship with God , then when Christ returns we shall be judged and then hopefully made immortal . I'm looking forward to this most awesome day , imagine the love that shall surround us as the bride of Christ , it's going to be overwhelming , I can't wait to meet everyone on here , there are going to be hugs ! Much love in Christ . If you can wait a day or two I can give more references , I'm so busy helping my mom and step dad at the moment , I want to answer properly but don't always have the energy .

Suze Gbu and i know that you know more about the bible then i do...But let me just say this....1 st Cor.. 15 : 53..This Corruptible must put on Incorruption and this mortal must put on immortality...then comes the saying death is swollowed up in Victory O grave where is thy sting. O grave where is thy victory etc..The sting of sin is death etc...So maybe we are gonna be immortal

.....In a moment in the twinkling of an eye we are gona be changed...And the dead will be raised incorruptible...But thanks be to God that gives us the victory thru Christ Jesus....And we also have to remember what Jesus said to whom the word came it made them Gods...And the scripture cannot be broken....Something to think about

..........((((((GBU SUZE)))))))..Smiley Face

Hi Julian , I'm honestly not trying to be contentious and this is a genuine comment , I don't believe that we humans are eternal , only God is eternal , if we were eternal then death wouldn't be our enemy or a punishment for our sins or need a sacrifice for us to continue living , do you see what I'm saying ? If we were eternal than death would be nothing to us . I hope I explained myself ok . Death is the enemy and without Christ we would be in big trouble .

Our pastor taught about being Spiritual. I studied this in the bible and found that the your soul and spirit are two very different things. 1 Thessalonians 5:32 is a starting point. 1 Corinthians chapter 2 explains how we operate in the spirit. Our soul is carnal, and eternal. The soul is us, who we are, while the spirit is given us to God to communicate with Him.

What does it mean that we have a soul AND a spirit? I thought they were one in the same? Aren't they the same thing?

Here are some scriptures to help you with deeper understanding I hope:

Matthew 24:3-51, Mark 13:5-37, 1Corinthians 15:41-58, 1Thessalonians 4:13-18, Psalms 97:2, Psalms 104:3, Joel 2:1-15, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Matthew 26:62-68, Mark 14:60-65, Revelation 1:7, 2Thessalonians 1:4-12, 2Thessalonians 2:1-17, Revelation 6:9-17, Revelation 7, Revelation 8, note Revelation 8:6 continues on through Revelation 9, & Revelation 10, Revelation 10:6-7, Revelation 14, note Revelation 14:12-20,

Matthew 25:31-46, Revelation 20:5, Revelation 20:12-15, Revelation 20, in context &

Revelation 1:5, Colossians 1:18,

Hebrews 6:1-3, Hebrews 11, Revelation 11:15-19, Acts 24:15, Mark 12:26-27, Luke 16:19-31

Hope these are helpful

I've had several close to death experiences. The 1st I recall clearly was about 5 or 6 yrs old. I was being held by gentle being, clothed in white & no pain, back to unbearable pain & suffering. I heard myself speak as an adult outside of the situation. That may have been the closest I've ever been to Heaven itself, the place. 2nd time I was electrically shocked while in water, I saw a black hand cover the sky, enormous, I could only see light through the bend of two fingers & only a portion, it was so huge. 3rd & 4th time I was young adult, it was all black around, I could feel darkness & closeness to judgement. I begged for another chance. 5th time I could hear & see the EMTs I had a different view. I was at peace not struggling, no pain. Then as they put the heart zapper thing on 3rd time I think it was. I felt difficult pain again, coldness, struggle. Luke 23:43, Luke 16:15-31, Luke 20:35-38, Psalms 91:11, Matthew 4:11, Matthew 13:39,41,49, Luke 4:10, 2Thessalonians 1:6-12, 1Timothy 3:16, Hebrews 1, Psalms 97:2, * Hebrews 2:14,15, Genesis 5:24, 2Kings 2, Matthew 17:1-5, if GOD has allowed Ezekiel, John & others in the Scriptures to see Heaven then I cannot argue they did or not. * Acts 7:55, Jeremiah 52, Revelation 7, Isaiah 6:1, Ezekiel 1, Ezekiel 10,

Matthew 24:3-51, Matthew 25:31-46, we will all give account so may our Words be faithful.