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Ron; correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds to me like you don't think Moses (or anyone) could appear unless they were living flesh and bones? I AM lives, and He is the Author of life; but Jesus said that God is a spirit. Besides, as soon as the spirit leaves the body, the body dies; it is the spirit that animates our physical bodies: but spirits don't need flesh and bones to live by themselves.

Hi Ron; You may be forgetting a thing or two: Samuel was called back from the world of the dead, not resurrected, but his spirit. And in the same place, the woman said she saw the spirits going up fro the earth. There is nothing in the Bible to suggest that our spirits don't look like us in our flesh bodies; just that they're spirits. Paul was taken up into the third heaven "in the body or out.."

A disciple: Call it revived from sleep or whatever Moses was still there at the mount and was talking with the Lord. This really happened. Moses cannot be there unless he is alive and not in Paradise, Jesus is not faking this (talking with them went he is not really there - that is a LIE). There is nothing here to indicate this is just Moses' SPIRIT. It was Moses. I believe what the Book says.

Ron; the vision that God gave to Peter, James and John, of the Lord's Glory, and Moses and Elijah talking with Him about His upcoming death in Jerusalem, is very symbolic and instructive on many levels. The reference to the Law and the Prophets, of course is one of the first things, as you point out. We mustn't limit any life to being merely for a symbolic use. Enoch and Elijah are still alive.

Hi Ron; You are so right! There have been very many who were raised from the dead by the Lord Jesus Christ; both when He was here, and by the hands of His servants since then. The "Second Death" is still to come at the Judgment; NOT the same as falling to sleep twice, like those who were revived to life. Moses' spirit appeared with Elijah still as he was when he went up into heaven; like Enoch.

A disciple: Lazarus died twice ( John 11:38-44), the widow's son died twice ( Luke 7:11-17) and the young maiden died twice ( Acts 9:37-40). Plus you did not explain how Moses got out of paradise to appear at the mount of transfiguration. This is dealing with the nation of Israel, Moses the Law and Elijah the Prophets. Enoch was not Jewish and if anything, he is a type of the church rapture.

Ron; Moses has not yet resurrected, but will rise with all of the sleeping Elect at the Coming of the Lord. The only two in the Bible that were taken alive into heaven, and have not yet died, are Enoch and Elijah. The second death is eternal destruction in the lake of fire: Moses IS NOT in that miserable number! You have probably read or heard something from a false teacher: Search the Scriptures!

Moses is one of the witnesses because he was resurrected and taken to heaven. How do I know this, easy. All the saved that died before the cross went to paradise and were trapped there, yet Moses appears at the transfiguration (he's no longer in or was in paradise). Plus along with Elijah, he never finished his ministry. Christ was resurrected to never die again, Moses will die twice.

I've got an old Strong's with cloth binding and yellow pages circa 1940s. 1000 dead is the same time satan is bound to "his" earth with no one to mess with to reflect on what's coming. Book of John says All are "sleeping" like Ecclesiastes until last resurrection. Many have been dead longer than that. They don't know it. Sleep

No one is dead for a thousand years. As far as the new Strong's it's like the N.I.V Bible which isn't a Bible. So for anyone who wants to read the true word of God and learn the scriptures it's best to have an Old Exhaustive Strong's Concordance before 1972 so that a person gets the true meaning of the words from the scriptures than to believe the Romans are coming, the Romans are coming.

Pt 2 - because SO many are swallowed up in the rapture theory that most people think that if they miss the first train, then they can catch the second and therefore they can live anyway they choose which would make EVERYONE who died before this rapture unavailable for the second chance. It's not biblical. One vs about a silver cord that's not understood vs 50 that say AT LAST DAY aren't good odds

Even children are smart enough to look in a concordance. There's one online. Pneuma is air. Not clouds. ALL WILL HEAR HIS VOICE. In the twinkling of an eye is how long it takes those who make the cut to be transformed into their spiritual bodies. The rest just DIE until the 1000 yrs is up, then they are judged. Great supper of God is when the fowls feast in their carcasses. There's no 2nd chance!

The fallen won't even know that they are in the apostacy and they will tell the elect they are a widow no longer and that their husband has came home. But the elect do not care about their false messiah and his power to bring lightning down To earth at his will. The elect will be delivered up by those believers and to death which is Satan and the Holy Spirit will speak through them.

Martha:"WE"The Church are still here.What's heartbreaking Matthew7:14 narrow is the way-- few there be that find it. 15:beware of false prophets 16:Ye shall know them--. There are some on these sites,in the church: trying to put out our Light. We are The only Light our "Family" will see others! Stay trimmed,keep The Oil Full. Mark 13:13 ye shall be hated-- endure unto the end--. Well done!

Martha prince Rev 6:2 antichrist white horse fake crown bow Kicked out of heaven to deceive whole world. Fake messiah coming. 2 horns powers claims he is Lamb speaks like the dragon because the elect know death make stand are delivered up to him. Daniel 11 vile 1 white horse death comes in peace to the world. World delivers up elect to antichrist which is death. Elect want to Stand against Satan.

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Bruce, thank you for your ans. I posted the scriptures Revelation 13:7 and Daniel 7:25 because these two scriptures would keep me from believing in the "rapture." If the beast is coming to make war with the saints Rev 13:7 or to wear out the saints of the Most High Dan 7:25 then explain how this can happen if we are not here? I am afraid God's people will not be prepared for what is to come.

Martha: For than shall be great tribulation,such as was not since the beginning of the world--- Matthew 24:21. And many false prophets shall rise and shall deceive many.V:11.(Acts14:22 --We must through much tribulation. enter into the kingdom of God. The falling away are those turning their back on God, they will tell you read other books. We are to live by every word of God. Luke 4:4

Verse 18 shows that Jehovah God is going to destroy those who are destroying the earth in any way.

To Les 1-31-'17 -- Quote: "I'm just guessing here ... " unquote; I'd be glad to answer your question if I knew you were addressing me ..... ?

"These are the two olive trees,and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth." There are only two men that were taken alive to heaven, Enoch and Elijah; it must be them that come back before the coming of the Lord: Malachi 4:5 "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:"just as John the Baptist was also Jesus' forerunner.

Hi Les, not sure if you were directing that at me. The only thing I can think of that I didn't provide reference was the fish and loaves. IF that's what you're referring to, that's just a thought I had one day while studying. Heh, again, that's if you were talking to me. (I just didn't want to not respond in case you were.) Apologies to all for wasting comment space if not. :)

To 7 trumpets - Thank-you for your concern; I'm sure my answer to Martha had no effect on her ....................

(The fish and the loaves just my own thought. Neither here nor there, thought someone might appreciate it.) But yes, all I am saying is, regardless, the two candlesticks are present with the 2 witnesses. And no one need fear, just like in Egypt, none of God's children were hurt by the plagues. It will be the same during Trib. "But there shall not an hair of your head perish." Luke 21:18.

Rev. - the 7 churches - I don't understand just the7; when there are churches everywhere in that area, and all over the world. Maybe these 7 are just 'representative' ..... ? I do know the 7 'angels' are the pastors of these churches. There may be something to it, but the fish and loaves sounds like a stretch. I do know '7' is a favorite no. of God.

Irene, your answer to Martha is not right! First; if you knew the Scriptures, you would know that the Saints will still be in the earth up to the coming of the Lord; and that it is for His purposes in judging the world, and in sanctifying His own people! Second; the "falling away" is NOT the "catching away!" A falling away means APOSTASY, and the catching away is His taking us out and changing us.

Verse 4. The candlesticks are churches ( Rev 1:20). Christ was only happy with 2 of the 7 and little doubt it's Smyrna and Philadelphia. This shows us the approved churches are here with the 2 witnesses. The other 5 Christ warns will be deceived and spewn from His mouth if they don't care to learn. 2 fish (meat) and 5 loaves (bread with leaven), maybe? (Just supposition on that last bit.) :)

Dear Martha - I wish I had the answers to your questions on Dan. and Rev. I'm sure there is a book on it that makes it clear, but I haven't seen one. There are people on here that disparage 'other' books besides the Bible, but - like Matthew Henry - they can be very helpful. Pray and ask God to lead you to such a book, He will; He wants us to understand His word. All my prayers to you ...........

To Martha - There are tribulation saints; as yet nobody knows how or why - except the Lord. They do not prove that the whole church goes through the tribulation. 2 Thess.3 - " ..... except there come a falling away first ..... "; the 'falling away' is the rapture, V. 6 "And now ye know what withholdeth, v." ..... only he who now letteth will let. cont.

All the words of the Prophets about the gathering together of the Lord's Elect; indicate without exception, that it will be "at the last trumpet sounding on the Day of the LORD; at the second coming of Christ in power and great glory. There is absolutely NOTHING in the Bible otherwise: as the Lord said; "but he that endures to the end, the same shall be saved."