Discuss Revelation 11 Page 4

Hi bro Dan

Greetings in Christ JESUS

Thank you for your reply.

See, it is very important to meditate on our last days of existence in this current system of the current world, not because we are going to die, quite the contrary, it is because we will live, we will be alive in these last seven years of the Devil's world, this last period of time of the current world are approaching, and the journey of all believers, prepared or no, for the last days and for the last spiritual sufferings of terrestrial life, it will be similar to the departure of the Hebrew people from Egypt, on the one hand, in the first moments of exit from Egypt, we will se GOD fighting/ battling against the Enemy through His plagues and severe punishments, there will be only and only severe chastiments, on the other hand, GOD protecting His people to escape the persecution and violence of the evil ones, so will the last seven years of this present world's existence. Indeed it will be wrath against wrath, the spiritual environment will be one of fierce spiritual warfare - Revelation 11:18. Take a look. It all starts now with GOD's declaration of WAR against the Devil's world; What statement? It's in Revelation 11:15KJV - "The kingdoms of THIS WORLD are become the Lord's and of His Christ (not yet, of course), and He will reign forever. For this cause, the NATIONS will be wrathed- Revelation 11:18, but GOD will wrath also, well, if GOD is for us, who can be against us?

By the way, Michael will be with us in the WAR on this last journey- Daniel 12:1-3 combined with 1 Thessalonians 4:16 and Revelation 12:7 to 13. Take a look.

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You know: The WAR shall be/is against three unclean spirits like frogs- Revelation 16:13-15. Why frogs?

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Revelation 11:9 will give you that answer, It was Satan in the form of a serpent. Angels are spirits and can appear as anything.

Hello, GiGi

Greetings in Christ JESUS

Thank you for your reply, I really enjoyed your post and hearing from you.



The subject is very profound evidently, however, as Paul Apostle did say, "our faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of GOD; we speak the wisdom of GOD in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which GOD ordained before the world unto our glory- 1 Corinthians 2:5&7. Our Lord JESUS promised saying: Unto every one that has shall be given, and he shall have abundance: ...

I like to meditate deeply in the Word of GOD-the Word is GOD( John 1:1), and to deceipher the biblical enigmas. The psalmist said: I will bend my ear to a parable, with a lyre(harp) I will solve my riddle.

In my view, Genesis is a GOD's Plan of RESTORATION of all things( Acts 3:18-26), revealed to Moses around 2500 years after Adam, or after two and half GOD's Days working in His creation. By the way, around 4000 years after Adam(end of fourth Day), our GOD was still working:JESUS, the EXPRESS IMAGE of GOD, said:My Father worketh hitherto, and I work- John 5:17KJV. What was the work of JESUS? To fulfill LITERALLY Gen.1:26-27:

26 And GOD said, Let US make man(MANY) in OUR image, after OUR likeness: and let THEM have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing UPON the earth.---> By the way, compare with Revelation 11:15 to 18 Here, our Lord JESUS still was in the BOSOM of the Father- John 1:18The question, you know, is that our GOD "calleth those things which be not as though they were"- Romans 4:17. Only now has the sixth GOD's Day arrived, so, only from now on will Genesis 1:26-27 be fulfilled LITERALLY( Luke 20:35-36) AS A PROPHECY. Romans 8:18-25 explain better. In my understand, Adam is a human gender.

... the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. Revelation 19:10 -> 11 And I saw heaven opened,...

Revelation 4:1

1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a Trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, ...

Revelation 11:15 to 18KJV

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders(will be they the authors of the OT???), which sat before GOD on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped GOD,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord GOD Almighty -JESUS- , which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the NATIONS were (will be) angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be Judged( Daniel 7:26-27), and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest DESTROY them which destroy the earth.

Paul Apostle in his deep spiritual wisdom, wrote in his epistle to the Church of Rome, saying: Romans 8:18 to 21KJV

18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be REVEALED in us.

19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the MANIFESTATION of the sons of GOD. (When? In this current millennium.)

20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

21 Because the creature itself also SHALL BE DELIVERED from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of GOD.

Ant to the Church of Corinthians, Paul wrote saying: 1 Corinthians 15:51 to 55KJV

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last Trump( Revelation 11:15 to 18): for the Trumpet shall SOUND, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be CHANGED. (How? Acording Luke 20:35-36KJV combined with Acts 3:19-21)

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

May our Lrd GOD bless and keep us, and give us His protection

Amen

Further insights on 144,000

It would appear from Revelation 14:14 that the 144,000 standing on the heavenly Mt. Zion are indeed translated. There is no mention as with the multitude of being martyred.

Technically; there is no proof that the 144,000 aren't scattered throughout the earth rather than just in Israel. There would certainly seem to be a connection between them and the 2 prophets as they will be able to control the plagues of weather on the earth which would of course affect whatever region or area the 144,000 are ministering in.

One thing I neglected in the last posting is the fact that there is no mention of the 144,000 evangelizing to the multitude. If they do that sort of ministry; it is clear that their preservation from the plagues of God will make them stand out; as well as their exemplary character during the time of unrestrained sin. (see Revelation 7). The type of plagues and timing must be close with them and the 2 Prophets; some overlap may be present between the first and second half of the Tribulation where their ministry occurs. Sequentially; it appears they start before the Trumpet judgments and exit at the time of the sixth trumpet around when the prophets die and are resurrected (see Revelation 11:13-14).

The warnings in Matthew 24 about persecution; martyrdom; wars; etc. have a preliminary fulfillment at least for the Apostles ending around AD 70. It would seem the same pattern fits in with today and those final witnesses in Israel. Deuteronomy 4:30-31 seems to show how God will respond in the last days during the Tribulation; again only for those Israelites who truly repent. Many will no doubt follow Antichrist to their own demise.

Mark of Cain vs Mark of the Beast

According to Genesis 4:15; a mark set upon Cain was to cause vengeance to anyone who would attempt to take his life. Compare this to the Mark of the Beast in Revelation 13 and we find some interesting parallels.

First; Satan was a "murderer from the beginning." ( John 8:44). It is no surprise that the first child of Adam was to be attacked after Adam and Eve fell. Having failed the test of God he let temptation rule over him and slayed Abel his brother. Satan is also said to steal and destroy ( John 10:10) along with his lying. We see the progeny of Adam and Eve being destroyed; along with stealing from the parents being able to give an inheritance and Abel receiving it.

Later on in Genesis 4:24 Lamech tries to gain vengeance by his declaration of seventy times seventy for himself for his own violent actions. Kind of like the opposite of forgiveness for the same in Matthew 18:21-22.

The apparent resurrection of Antichrist from a deadly wound as well as being able to kill the two prophets that tormented men will inspire him to declare indestructibility as well as being able to effectively fight against God. He will likely convince men that he can live forever by merging with AI; and likely the DNA of the Nephilim or something to that affect will be part of that plan; as it was in Genesis 6 when all the descendants of men were destroyed for that reason (see Genesis 6:8-9 on Noah being perfect in his generations). Hence at that time we saw no repentance except for Noah; his wife; his 3 sons and their wives.

Whatever the case men will be unredeemable once they take the mark ( Revelation 14:9 and other passages). That will be the fulfillment of 2 Thessalonians 2:11 where people willingly reject the truth and believe The Lie.

The verse on those who dwell on the earth ( Revelation 11:10; also see Revelation 6:10 and other passages) indicates the sea of lost humanity. Revelation 13:8 concludes this for all unsaved.

Basic structure of Revelation

In this and (let's be honest further sequels) I am setting forth through numerous scripture references the pattern in Revelation. In short we have the first and second halves. In my last posting; I discussed what appears to be the event after the 5th Trumpet and the five months demons torment men. That allows Apollyon to be released; and Revelation 11:14 mentiones the second woe or the sixth trumpet as occuring immediately before the events in Revelation 12 and 13.

The timing is tricky; but it is interesting to see how if we put a period of months to each series of 7 plagues we end up with 84 months which just happens to be exactly 7 years of 12 months each.

Going back to my original thought; there is a period where the 144,000 preach and there is a great harvest following them (likely about the time when the 2 witnesses are resurrected they also are raptured: see Revelation 7:9. We see parallels between the time of ministry of 3.5 years and that of Christ's ministry as well as parallels to Elijah when it didn't rain for 3 years. It appears obvious that Elijah is one of the two witnesses.

What is also interesting is at this darkest moment (at the end of Revelation 11) we see discussion of Christ starting to reign.

The focus would be on all those in heaven; or the completion of the "firstfruits" and all the saints beginning to rule and reign with Christ. After that statement we see Antichrist given his reign of 3.5 years to mock in a large part what the prophets did when on earth (see Rev. 13:13 and compare with Revelation 11:5).

Romans 11:25 makes it evident the blindness to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. That could refer to the Rapture (see Psalm 40) or as some say when the rule of the Gentiles comes to a close. In any event; many do wake up; and the third that make it going through the fire are those who of national Israel end up worshipping the true Messiah ( Zech 13:9).

Hi Jema,

I may be different, but in my understanding of the Bible, I approach scripture simply and do not try to complicate things with preconceived ideas and let the Bible and the Holy Spirit do the interpretation. To me, a symbol will have a non-symbolic meaning.

A symbol represents something real, a real person, a real thing, or a historical event. When I read, I understand words in a literal sense first, then in a figurative or spiritual sense if the literal doesn't make sense.

Are the Christians now the Israel of God? Have the promises to Israel and the church merged into one common heritage? If so that brings up.

Will the promise of the land given to Abraham's seed, Isaac then Jacob be fulfilled? Isaiah 11:11-12 Ezekiel 37:21-25 Jeremiah 24:5-6 Ezekiel 34:11-12 Ezekiel 36:24-26 Hosea 3:4-5 Micah 4:6-7 Zechariah 13:8-9

Will Jesus the Messiah return and reign on the earth, with a rod of iron? Isaiah 2:1-4 Isaiah 11:1-4 Daniel 2:44 Daniel 7:14 Zechariah 14:1-4 Jeremiah 3:17 Revelation 2:26-27 Revelation 11:15 Revelation 12:5 Revelation 19:11-21.

Will there be a literal millennium during which Satan will not deceive the nations and Christ will reign on earth? Revelation 20:1-6 2 Timothy 2:11-12 Isaiah 2:2-4 Isaiah 11:5-16 Isaiah 65:19-25 Isaiah 51:4-5 Zechariah 14:16-21 Micah 4:1-4 Psalms 46:7-11 Matthew 19:28.

To me there are too many scriptures that are showing God has not replaced Israel with the Church. We see in Romans 11:24-27 a day when God will again turn to Israel, the day Jesus returns. Forgive me if some of the scriptures do not fit.

God bless,

RLW

My bro.and sis.allow me to site something to you.Jerusalem is GOD'holy place and he allows no one to stay there first it was destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar then he authorized Cyrus to build the 2nd temple and allowed Israel to be his worshippers again inspite of their failure read Ezekiel 43 so that you can see how Israel do his part because of that he allowed the second temple be destroyed by the Romans and this time came the total destruction of the Jews. But allowed the men from the east to be his worshippers jesus also knew it John 4;20 24 the FATHER wanted worshippers that will worship him in spirit and truth. Many can't accept this including USA,BRITAIN AND THE present day Jews, and GOD THRU rev. 11 narrated what will happen. And today you can see clearly that the Jews are trampling al aqsa mosque.pretending it's not the temple.BUT UNFORTUNATELY IT IS THE TEMPLE,that's it's location is in the exact place of the temple. But all this thing in rev 13 .continuing of rev 9

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GiGi,

Matthew 24:14 says, "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come." There are churches out there that say that Jesus would have come by now had the church been doing its job, because once the whole world is reached for Christ, then He is going to come. I've heard people actually say this.

But during the tribulation, there will not be a need for the church to be out spreading the gospel message. If I remember correctly, I believe in one of your posts you had mentioned to someone that if the church is gone during the tribulation, how are people going to be reached with the gospel message? Those were not your exact words but something of that sort.

Well, in the book of Revelation, it tells us how the world is going to be reached. It tells us that there will be 144,000 Jews, 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel, that are sealed by God so that they cannot be killed. No one can harm them. They are Jewish believers, and I believe that they will be evangelists during the tribulation period, 144,000 of them.

Secondly, there will be an angel flying in mid-heaven, according to Revelation Chapter 14:6-7. It says that there will be an angel flying in mid-heaven for 3 years. And Revelation 14:6 tells us that he reaches every single person on the earth with the gospel, everybody!

And then in Revelation 11:3-13, there are two witnesses that are witnessing in the streets of Jerusalem, and the whole world sees them. Our technology today makes that possible. So, everyone will be reached before His second coming. God Himself will fulfill that promise.

Lord willing, I will finish this up with one more post, I promise!

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I agree with you Jimbob, on 2 Thessalonians 2:8, that those verses refer to the Anti-Christ. As well as your Revelation 19:19,20 reference to the beast (= antichrist) & his connection to the false prophet.

Then you referenced Revelation 11:7 to this beast (the anti-Christ). But Revelation chapter 11 speaks of the two witnesses prophesying on Earth for 1,260 days (or 3.5 years), which is the one half of the Great Tribulation period (whether the first or second half?). These witnesses are killed after their work is done by the beast that comes out of the bottomless pit (v7). Can this beast be the anti-Christ, who would actually still be on Earth during that time of the witnesses, or reference to the different manifestations of the 'beast'. And out of interest, when checking on this 'beast' classification, we find that it can also apply to the anti-Christ spirit (as in Revelation 13:1), i.e. that spirit that is found in the nations representing the "ten horns". But the dragon (Satan) gave power to the beast (13:4). Without expanding this passage, we can see that this beast isn't the anti-Christ, because verses 11 to 18 show this second beast arising from the Earth (not the sea), clearly doing the work of THE anti-Christ.

Then further into Revelation chapter 11: as you wrote, the two witnesses are taken into heaven (though there's no mention of anyone else going with them). And as we know, the Rapture events surround the Lord's physical appearing in the clouds & the raptured go to be with Him in the clouds; not so with the Witnesses - Jesus is not present - they ascend into Heaven. As well, if the two witnesses satisfy the verse, "he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way", then I feel that would be in the wrong time frame. According to Revelation 11:7, the beast ascends out of the bottomless pit & is the one who kills the witnesses.

David:

Revelation 12:10 ..... Now is come SALVATION, and strength, and the KINGDOM Of GOD, and the power of HIS CHRIST ...

Revelation 11:17 .... The kingdoms of this world (plural, ALL) have become the KINGDOM OF GOD (singular), and of HIS CHRIST ......

When did this HAPPEN; the day YOU walked to the front of a church and took the pastors hand, or did it HAPPEN 2000 years ago on a CROSS before you had any knowledge of the POWER OF HIS RESURRECTION.

Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism .....

YOU DIED and were RASIED 2000 years ago, but you weren't BURIED until you were born 2000 years later and BURIED in the TRUTH and power of his resurrection;by the LIFE that raise you 2000 years ago.

Man had no say, it's the WORK'S of God and HIS CHRIST, it is a GIFT of GOD, our INHERITANCE.

Psalms 2:8 .....and I (the Father) shall GIVE THEE the nations (ALL) for thine inheritance ....

God is only calling out the priesthood in THIS AGE (generation, so far 2000 years), the firstborne (feast of the weeks).

Romans 8:19 ....creation WAITETH for the manifestation of the SONS of GOD ...

Romans 8:21 Because creation ITSELF shall be DELIVERED ....into the glorious liberty of the children of GOD.

Obadiah 1:21 And SAVIOURS (Sons of GOD, in the likeness of Christ) shall come upon mount Zion to JUDGE the mount of Esau ....

Psalms 149:9 To execute upon them the JUDGEMENT WRITTEN: this honour hath all his saints.

ALL will bow and confess CHRIST as LORD.

God Bless YOU!

Jimbob;

Are the Prophecies in Revelation and the gospels any different than those in Mosses and the Prophets? Are, or they just a second witness?

There was no brick and mortar churches, no doctrines of those churches, until the apostles founded them.

How did the apostles and first men come to the truth of the KINGDOM OF GOD?

Luke 16:31 ....If they HEAR NOT Mosses and the Prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Acts 28:23 ....he (Paul) expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Mosses, and out of the Prophets, from morning till evening.

Galatians 1:17 Neither went I (Paul) up to Jerusalem to THEM which were apostles before me, but I went into Arabia (the wilderness) ......Where the Spirit taught him ......

Revelation 12:6 And the WOMAN (the bride of Christ, his church) fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, and there should feed her a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

The disciples were feed by Christ for one thousand two hundred and threescore days, 42 months, 3 1/2 years, you and I are still being feed by that 3 1/2 year ministry, except NOW, Christ is WITHIN US, his second coming; but, we are still in the wilderness being feed.

Revelation 11:11 And after three days and a half (the great tribulation poured out on Christ) the Spirit of LIFE ( I am the Resurrection) from God entered into them ( those of OLD, the law and prophets, the old testament saints) --- Matthew 27:52-53 ---

Isaiah 26:19 ....with my dead body shall they arise .....

There are 2 deaths, 2 resurrections, 2 second comings and 2 judgements, one for the Firstfruits, feast of weeks, and one for the feast of the ingathering, AKA feast of tents, AKA feast of the tabernacles.

The woman, Christ bride, the church, rides the BEAST, and we are told TO COME OUT of here MY PEOPLE.

God Bless You!

Hi Gigi.

Not sure if this is exactly what you are looking for but here's a few of many references of a future Kingdom here on earth.

Revelation 5:10

And have made us kings and priests to our God;

AND WE SHALL REIGN ON THE EARTH.

Psalm 2:6-8

"Yet I have set My King

On My holy hill of Zion." "I will declare the decree:

The LORD has said to Me,

'You are My Son,

Today I have begotten You.

Ask of Me, and I will give You

The nations for Your inheritance,

And the ends of the earth for Your possession.

Daniel 2:34-35

You watched while a stone was cut out without hands, which struck the image on its feet of iron and clay, and broke them in pieces. Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver, and the gold were crushed together, and became like chaff from the summer threshing floors; the wind carried them away so that no trace of them was found. And the stone that struck the image became a great mountain and FILLED THE WHOLE EARTH.



Zechariah 14:9-11.

Zechariah 14:16-19

And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, on them there will be no rain. If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the LORD strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.

Matthew 6:10

Your kingdom come.

Your will be done

"ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN."

Matthew 5:5.

Matthew 25:31-34.

Isaiah 2:2.

Jeremiah 30:10.

Ezekiel 34:25-31.

Daniel 2:44.

Micah 4:1-2.

Zechariah 8:1-3.

Revelation 11:5.

God bless you.

Goodnight.

Revelation 11:1, Revelation 3:7-13, The Church of Philadelphia is interestingly encouraging to me. Philadelphia as being the Miraculous place of USA Declaration of Independence, Liberty Bell, US Mint (still printing IN GOD WE TRUST ) the faith filled prayers, sacrifice, devotion to GOD & freedom to worship GOD, documents the give & gave GOD glory, honor & reverence, started in Philadelphia USA spreading into most US State Constitutions including California & even unto many countries constitutions. In the modern age.

Notice; it says "to the angel of the church" I'm assuming it's because it's not to the people as a whole. Exodus 33:16, 1Thessalonians 5:22,

Hopefully these are helpful in your studies

Thanks Elliux2.

I agree.

As for the bible translations, I prefer the king James version.

However I don't believe Gods message don't depend on mans ability to "hear" and unlock the treasures with his intellectual insight.

I believe pride, hinders spiritual growth as well as partiality more do than bible translations.

God arm is not to short to where he would have a translation error thwart his plans.

You can pull up an outline or lesson on any book in the Bible and display it but yet don't even fully understand what is being displayed.

I believe Giannis or Chris said it in another post.

You should seek prayer regarding Pastoring a Church.

If God called one to preach or teach, He WILL teach. He will not be able to get away.

We layman have a responsibility with this treasure as well

Ephesians 4:1-32.

What about the tares in the Church?

Do we dispose of them like a bad translation? The Lord says no. Matthew 13:28-30.

What about building one another up in love? How do we do that?

By knowingly lying to them? Or truth?

How about false praises?

We are sold on great performances, great long intellectual speeches and a carnal display.

Our flesh is attracted to these things.

We coexist in a worldly culture that influence our Christian walk.

You see NOT speaking the truth you can avoid persecution.

I would rather have someone rebuke me "with correct scripture references" than to falsely lift me up.

The pastors and teachers, by the Spirit of God is to do their part (Minister to the sheep). Reception and spiritual growth depends on the condition of the believers heart.

God bless.

Amen Brother Chris!

A Pastor is a shepherd - one who leads, guides, counsels, & gets beside his flock in their needs.

An often overlooked roll of a pastor.

God bless.

Hi Ernest. Elliux2 has given you some very good advice & Scriptures for you to ponder. But I would ask, 'is your desire to pastor a Church fellowship towards an existing congregation, or have you been evangelizing/holding a small group meeting that you want to bring together & be their pastor?'

In my understanding of this position, a Pastor is a shepherd - one who leads, guides, counsels, & gets beside his flock in their needs. Unfortunately, today, a pastor's role is predominantly centered around teaching/preaching & greeting at the door, leaving the shepherding work to others. If you belong to an existing Fellowship, then the elders are the ones who need to be in prayer & be led of the Lord to determine what Church positions need to be filled and by whom. You may present your desire to them to serve God's people in this way, but ultimately the Elders will need to decide. If there are no elders (or, bishops, as written in the KJV), then I'm sorry, this Fellowship is on shaky ground & may totter over spiritually.

But if you've been evangelizing and/or gathering folk into the faith & teaching them, then it would be right for you to assume the position of Elder/Pastor, building up the souls in the fear & knowledge of God, seeking to minister the Gospel to the lost around you, and waiting on the Lord to direct you to avenues of ministry & the right men to build up to join you in the work. You have a great & compelling desire Ernest and one never to enter into lightly. Keep the matter before the Lord & before those who may be your elders/leaders - the Lord will surely open up the way for you - even if it means first serving His people in other ways. He looks for men with hearts & hands who are already engaged in His Work, being prepared in the Word & in Faith, so as to lead others closer to Jesus.

Please I want to be a pastor , a servant of God and I don't know how to start about

Revelation 11, Revelation 11:4, Matthew 5:15, Mark 4:21, Luke 8:16, Luke 11:33, Hebrews 9:2,

Exodus 25, Romans 11,

Hopefully these are also helpful in your study

Alex,

The woman represents the 144,000 sealed saints in yet another allegory, to include the two witnesses (from another allegory), waiting to give birth to a man child; the child is Christ. This occurs between the sixth and seventh trumpets, when anti-christ kills saints, Revelation 11:7. The SAINTS PLIGHT are important, not the tricky esoterics that lead astray from the actual event being described. Tie down the allegories to the real life enactment.

At the seventh trumpet, Christ returns with His army of resurrected 144,000 saints, and no one else. There's no mention of the two witnesses because it's them standing on Mount Olive, Revelation 14:1.

"Impregnating" is another comparison, or analogy that mirrors the actual meaning. Two witnesses is another way of saying 144,000 from two houses (two men) of Israel.

The time period of the Tribulation fits in to Daniel 9:24-27 where there is a period of 70 "weeks" of years. In these verses we see how a covenant made is broken; and the last half of the Tribulation lasting 1260 days is mentioned at the end of Daniel 12. The 1335 days mentioned would likely be the period when Christ arrives and the whole campaign of Armageddon is fought likely also encompassing the time of the Ezekiel 38 war. This would show the sequence from Zechariah 12 when the remaining Jews finally recognize Christ as Messiah; through Zechariah 14 where half of the city is taken; and Christ goes out to fight against the enemies. The end of that last chapter in Zechariah gets into the Millennium. 2 Thessalonians 2:11 gets into the belief in "The Lie"; also see 1 Thessalonians 5:3 about everyone talking about "peace and safety or security." The covenant with "death and hell" is also seen in Isaiah 28:18 where the nation of Israel deliberately makes an agreement with Antichrist.

The seven year period apparently is also stated in the Koran someplace about their version of the 12th Imam or world ruler which is the length of time that leader is supposed to rule. Of course; we don't know if the Tribulation begins immediately after the Rapture. It is at that time that the Restrainer; or function of the Holy Spirit in the church is removed ( 2 Thess. 2:6-7). For now; the gates of hell cannot prevail against the church. ( Matthew 16:18). According to Daniel in the time of trial for His people the saints WILL be overcome by the Beast or Antichrist ( Daniel 7:25). We see how the boastful words there are a parallel to what is going on in Revelation 13.

It is a theory of mine that if you make each seal; trumpet and bowl a period of months and add it up you get 7 years. (1+2+3+4+5+6+7) X 3. That is; 28 X 3 months or 84 months is equal to 7 years. Daniel uses 360 day years. Revelation 11:1-2 describes the 2 witnesses likely the first half of the Trib.

Alex,

I'm going to shift your post a little and see if this interests you. Speaking of Revelation 12, specifically Revelation 12:6 & Revelation 12:14: The woman represents the 144,000 sealed saints ( Revelation 7:4), BOTH are protected for a thousand two hundred and threescore days. Only the saints are officially sealed. It is a continued allegory describing the saints vs the man of sin, end-times, etc.

The saints are so unbelievably important, yet underrated. They are the first fruits, set apart from the 5.5 billion day of the Lord survivors. The saints are the ONLY first resurrection participants, tasked with healing people, the earth and administering to Christ. The rest sleep till called at the second resurrection.

The saints are featured in 7 Chapters of Revelation, hidden in allegory, and referred to. People then add characters to the narrative and always miss that the sealed saints in Revelation 7:4, before the sixth trumpet, are the same saints in heaven at the seventh trumpet, Revelation 7:9-14. "They came out of the great tribulation". AND this occurs at the exact same time God calls up the two witnesses, Revelation 11:12. The saints and the two witnesses are one and the same!!! You will not see the saints without the witnesses from BOTH houses of Israel (Israel & Judah). Don't get the "two men" allegory wrong. Forget about Moses and Elijah or Enoch, that is a tired excuse for filling in the answer with anything that will suffice. After Solomon, Israel was split in two nations, hence, two men. The two candlesticks and two olive trees that stand before God are God's pride and joy, the whole house of Israel.

No Sir , Revelation 11:19

Revelation 6:12-17 describes two separate events, out of order as written.

The sixth seal flows into the sixth trumpet.

The verse 12 earthquake ( Revelation 11:13) triggers the sixth trumpet, Joel 2:2, sun becomes black, moon as blood, day of the Lord attack on both modern day houses of Israel: Ezekiel 38:9, Ezekiel 38:16, Ezekiel 21:19-20.

Verse 13: stars falling signifies God suspending His binding covenant that David would never lack a man on his throne, the protection of grace lifted for captivity. Jeremiah 33:20-26, ( 1 Kings 9:52).

Much of Revelation is hidden in allegory, and in this case, written backwards. Revelation 6:14-17 attack MUST occur before Revelation 6:12-13 (classic sixth trumpet day of the Lord language).

Hello, Ayen O,

I see your request was "before dawn " I hope you've made it into another evening.

1st I pray you will never be tempted to hurt, harm or destroy yourself ever. You are created by GOD ALMIGHTY in HIS image. Psalms 139, in Psalms 139:14, it says fearfully & wonderfully made, fearfully meaning; apprehension something bad will happen. Amazingly GOD knew & knows with each of us, we have the potential to do & choose bad._.._however HE created with mercy & calles us "wonderful" keep reading & amazingly we see Psalms 139:17 GOD's thoughts are " precious" towards us, they number more than sand, HIS precious thoughts for & towards us. & like David who wrote Psalms 139:18, we are still with thee, if & when we awake. Difficulties can seem impossible, even people of the Bible went through despairing of life itself, yet everyone that chose life over death, had a better end. In this earth & in the End. Revelation 11:18,

Jesus = Matthew 26:38-42, Luke 24:34,

Jacob aka Israel = Genesis 37:35, Genesis 45:27,

Elijah = 1Kings 19:4, 2Kings 2:11,

Not good; Judas= Matthew 27:4-8, 2Samuel 17:23,

Choose life, that you might live Deuteronomy 30:19,

Hopefully these are helpful

"The Day of the Lord " 1Thessalonians 4:13-18, Matthew 24, Mark 13, Isaiah 2:12, Isaiah 13:6-13, Ezekiel 30:3, Joel 1, Joel 2, Amos 5:18-20, Obadiah 1:15, Zephaniah 1, Zechariah 14:1, Malachi 4:5, Acts 2:20, 1Thessalonians 5:2, 2Peter 3, Revelation 10, notice Revelation 10:7, Revelation 11:18,19,

Matthew 25:31-46,

Hopefully these are helpful

Zapenter:

What is the bottomless pit?

It is the grave.

Who has the keys to death and the grave?

Christ has the keys to the bottomless pit.

Who arose out of the bottomless pit?

Christ arose out of death and the grave.

Who is Satan that is cast into the bottomless (the grave)?

The princes of this world, that die still in deception of the gospel of the kingdom of God

Who is the beast?

The beast is the forth kingdom on earth, the kingdom of God. ( Daniel 7:23)

What is the 1000 years?

It's the day of the Lord, one day is as a thousand years, so far it has been 2000 years, and those that have departed during that time have been reigning with Christ, study the parable of the workers in the vineyard ( Matthew 20:1-16).

Revelation 11:7 And when they (the two witnesses, the law and prophets, foretelling of Christ) shall have finished their testimony) the beast (the forth kingdom on earth, the kingdom of God, Luke 16:16) that asscened out of the bottomless pit shall make war with them and shall overcome them and, kill them (they prophesied of Christ's death on the cross).

Revelation is the revealing of Jesus Christ, there is not a seven year tribulation, God's children are caught up to him one at a time.

Revelation is all symbolic of the fulfillment of the kingdom of God.

All the answers are in Mosses and the prophets.

Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

I was raised in a Baptist church, they are as deceived as are all the other churches.

You learn God's word by going into the wilderness ( Mark 1:12)

God Bless You!

What happens after Rapture when all Christians dead and alive meet up with our Lord and Satan will be released unto all of us after 1,000 years. Does this mean everyone in Heaven will be tempted one last time and maybe even loose our salvation???