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The seven year period apparently is also stated in the Koran someplace about their version of the 12th Imam or world ruler which is the length of time that leader is supposed to rule. Of course; we don't know if the Tribulation begins immediately after the Rapture. It is at that time that the Restrainer; or function of the Holy Spirit in the church is removed ( 2 Thess. 2:6-7). For now; the gates of hell cannot prevail against the church. ( Matthew 16:18). According to Daniel in the time of trial for His people the saints WILL be overcome by the Beast or Antichrist ( Daniel 7:25). We see how the boastful words there are a parallel to what is going on in Revelation 13.
It is a theory of mine that if you make each seal; trumpet and bowl a period of months and add it up you get 7 years. (1+2+3+4+5+6+7) X 3. That is; 28 X 3 months or 84 months is equal to 7 years. Daniel uses 360 day years. Revelation 11:1-2 describes the 2 witnesses likely the first half of the Trib.
I'm going to shift your post a little and see if this interests you. Speaking of Revelation 12, specifically Revelation 12:6 & Revelation 12:14: The woman represents the 144,000 sealed saints ( Revelation 7:4), BOTH are protected for a thousand two hundred and threescore days. Only the saints are officially sealed. It is a continued allegory describing the saints vs the man of sin, end-times, etc.
The saints are so unbelievably important, yet underrated. They are the first fruits, set apart from the 5.5 billion day of the Lord survivors. The saints are the ONLY first resurrection participants, tasked with healing people, the earth and administering to Christ. The rest sleep till called at the second resurrection.
The saints are featured in 7 Chapters of Revelation, hidden in allegory, and referred to. People then add characters to the narrative and always miss that the sealed saints in Revelation 7:4, before the sixth trumpet, are the same saints in heaven at the seventh trumpet, Revelation 7:9-14. "They came out of the great tribulation". AND this occurs at the exact same time God calls up the two witnesses, Revelation 11:12. The saints and the two witnesses are one and the same!!! You will not see the saints without the witnesses from BOTH houses of Israel (Israel & Judah). Don't get the "two men" allegory wrong. Forget about Moses and Elijah or Enoch, that is a tired excuse for filling in the answer with anything that will suffice. After Solomon, Israel was split in two nations, hence, two men. The two candlesticks and two olive trees that stand before God are God's pride and joy, the whole house of Israel.
The sixth seal flows into the sixth trumpet.
The verse 12 earthquake ( Revelation 11:13) triggers the sixth trumpet, Joel 2:2, sun becomes black, moon as blood, day of the Lord attack on both modern day houses of Israel: Ezekiel 38:9, Ezekiel 38:16, Ezekiel 21:19-20.
Verse 13: stars falling signifies God suspending His binding covenant that David would never lack a man on his throne, the protection of grace lifted for captivity. Jeremiah 33:20-26, ( 1 Kings 9:52).
Much of Revelation is hidden in allegory, and in this case, written backwards. Revelation 6:14-17 attack MUST occur before Revelation 6:12-13 (classic sixth trumpet day of the Lord language).
I see your request was "before dawn " I hope you've made it into another evening.
1st I pray you will never be tempted to hurt, harm or destroy yourself ever. You are created by GOD ALMIGHTY in HIS image. Psalms 139, in Psalms 139:14, it says fearfully & wonderfully made, fearfully meaning; apprehension something bad will happen. Amazingly GOD knew & knows with each of us, we have the potential to do & choose bad._.._however HE created with mercy & calles us "wonderful" keep reading & amazingly we see Psalms 139:17 GOD's thoughts are " precious" towards us, they number more than sand, HIS precious thoughts for & towards us. & like David who wrote Psalms 139:18, we are still with thee, if & when we awake. Difficulties can seem impossible, even people of the Bible went through despairing of life itself, yet everyone that chose life over death, had a better end. In this earth & in the End. Revelation 11:18,
Jesus = Matthew 26:38-42, Luke 24:34,
Jacob aka Israel = Genesis 37:35, Genesis 45:27,
Elijah = 1Kings 19:4, 2Kings 2:11,
Not good; Judas= Matthew 27:4-8, 2Samuel 17:23,
Choose life, that you might live Deuteronomy 30:19,
Hopefully these are helpful
Matthew 25:31-46,
Hopefully these are helpful
What is the bottomless pit?
It is the grave.
Who has the keys to death and the grave?
Christ has the keys to the bottomless pit.
Who arose out of the bottomless pit?
Christ arose out of death and the grave.
Who is Satan that is cast into the bottomless (the grave)?
The princes of this world, that die still in deception of the gospel of the kingdom of God
Who is the beast?
The beast is the forth kingdom on earth, the kingdom of God. ( Daniel 7:23)
What is the 1000 years?
It's the day of the Lord, one day is as a thousand years, so far it has been 2000 years, and those that have departed during that time have been reigning with Christ, study the parable of the workers in the vineyard ( Matthew 20:1-16).
Revelation 11:7 And when they (the two witnesses, the law and prophets, foretelling of Christ) shall have finished their testimony) the beast (the forth kingdom on earth, the kingdom of God, Luke 16:16) that asscened out of the bottomless pit shall make war with them and shall overcome them and, kill them (they prophesied of Christ's death on the cross).
Revelation is the revealing of Jesus Christ, there is not a seven year tribulation, God's children are caught up to him one at a time.
Revelation is all symbolic of the fulfillment of the kingdom of God.
All the answers are in Mosses and the prophets.
Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
I was raised in a Baptist church, they are as deceived as are all the other churches.
You learn God's word by going into the wilderness ( Mark 1:12)
God Bless You!
Deuteronomy 10:8, Jeremiah 3:15,16,
Hebrews 9:8,
Revelation 11:19,
Hopefully these are helpful
Sometimes people live up to names given, is it because they've been called so? Genesis 27:36,
However sometimes a name is earned: Genesis 25:30, Genesis 30:13, Revelation 11:8, Revelation 12:9, Revelation 19:13, Revelation 17:14
Many times people in the Bible share name, yet are completely different. Especially 1611 KJV, on this site. Examples today many people have name like Jesus pronunciation different are not even close, or Angels names, that are far from. We should be careful to not be deceived even evil can appear as light, likewise many names have been made to deceive. 2Corinthians 11:13,14
There are divine names given by GOD however, those maybe we should take more notice of, :
Genesis 16:11,12, Genesis 11:29, + Genesis 17:5,15,19, Genesis 32:28, Genesis 35:10, Revelation 19:11,
Thanks for your question, for it did remind me of that. Genesis 5:2,
Hopefully these are helpful & give you intrigue into deeper study of names with scripture & reading GOD's WORD
Thus; Armageddon and the judgment of the nations where fires burn from one end of the earth to the other along with carcasses ( Jer. 25:33); Zeph. 3:8-10 are inevitable. Christ will come and destroy in one fell swoop those attacking Him in Armageddon; and cast the Antichrist and False Prophet into hell; and Satan will go into the pit for 1000 years.
We need; therefore in order to be part of the harvest warning people of the wrath to come; because the night comes when no man can work. ( John 9:4). This is probably with a double meaning; the time when Christ was first taken away after the crucifixion until His Resurrection; and perhaps later in 70 AD for a time but of course the last part of the Tribulation comes into mind as well. There will be no possibility of repentance after the mark is taken.
When we search out verse 2 of this chapter; we see how the Gentiles are "trampling" the area outside the court. This will most likely be the league of the immediately surrounding nations (Jordan; Palesitinians; Lebanon; Egypt etal) that are claiming territory at least in half of Jerusalem and much of Israel but basically not settling in any organized manner. No doubt much chaos and violence will be occuring; starting as early as the 2nd seal and continuing to this point. In any event; there is basically a space for the 2 Witnesses (and any others; I suppose that are taking refuge there but no one is indicated). They are able to operate with impuninty; it seems until they are killed by the Beast ascending from the pit (the last chapter indicating that is the 2nd "woe".)
After the world celebrates their death; it is said that they all give one another gifts. (v. 10). I have heard it been said that would only be possible with online purchases in that short amount of time worldwide; not to mention the worldwide cable TV networks no doubt focused on these things. The last mention of any fear of God is when they are resurrected (v. 13). This will probably wake some up; but not all so that they realize shortly that it is really Antichrist rising to power and subsequently they obey God's plan to evacuate to the wilderness around Petra.
The "third woe" isn't really defined; nor is the seventh trumpet. It stands as a declaration of what is coming to pass which means wrath is no longer restrained; and there is the inevitable path to judgment for those taking the mark of the Beast; and consolidation of nations to Armageddon; after a series of events where nations gather beforehand. THis would be the "rumors to the north and east" ( Daniel 11:44). The timing of the Ezekiel 38 war Russia and northern and confederate nations is a bit vague; but the East (China) will all come toward Armageddon as the Antichrist brigs in the western countries.
......And Revelation 12:5 ....She brought forth a manchild that is gona rule ALL NATIONS with a rod of iron....Why wd God send this manchild which is the H.G....The Spirit of truth that Jesus tells us will reprove the WORLD of sin and righteousness and judgement...If God were gonna do away with this beautiful earth...(All Nations )... John 16:8 ....When he the spirit of truth is come he will reprove the world of sin and judgement and Righteousness...So this world has no end...It even mentions that God will destroy them that destroy this earth...In Rev. 11 :18
......In Rev. 14 :6 I saw another mighty Angel having the everlasting Gospel to preach to all that dwell on the earth...To every Nation, ppl, kindred, tongue....Saying give Glory to him that made the earth and the heaven and fountains of waters.
......Why wd God send this angel to preach the everlasting gospel to all that dwell on the earth...If there were no Population to preach to....And y wd God have to send this mighty Angel to preach the everlasting gospel to all that dwell on the earth if the Churches had the everlasting Gospel...Plz note the Kingdom of God does not come till the woman births the manchild which is the H.G...That Spirit of truth...The Children of PROMISE....Our new heart and new spirit...We have to birth a new innerman via his good seed the word And Jesus said that he wd abide with us forever...So there is gona be a great Population right here on this earth....Seed time and HARVEST FOREVER.
Yes, by John's own mouth in Revelation 1 saying:
4 JOHN to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from Him Who is, and Who was, and Who is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before His throne;
5 And from Jesus Christ, Who is the faithful witness, and the first born of the dead, and the Ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him That loveth us, and loosed us out from our sins by His own blood,
6 And ... made us to be a Kingdom and to be (priests) to The revealed God and His Father; to Him be the glory and the dominion for ever and ever. even the Amen.
That's what the Zedok are "Priest's" Lord's whereby Jesus is Lord of.
Thank you Father!
.....And in Rev 12....We see a clear picture of the manchild that is gonna rule all nations with a rod of iron that 2 nd witness....They were both dead for 2 k yrs....Which was the abomination of desolation when Jesus said the night comes when no man can work....I'm he that was dead but behold i am alive for ever more.
....In Zech 4 :14 ....These are the 2 anointed ones that stand before the God of the earth....Christ and the H.G....That John saw among the 7 Golden candle sticks. Jesus said when he the spirit of truth is come the will reprove the world.
......And in Rev 19 he rides a white horse and outta of his mouth goes a sharp sword that he will smite the nations ....And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood.....We are his vesture dipped in blood....I was naked and you clothe me....
......We have to keep in mind what Jesus said I am 1 that bears witness of my self and my Father that sent me bears witness of me....In Rev 11 God does not tell us who the 2 witnesses are he only says Not by might nor power but by my spirit....But i believe the 2 witness are Christ and the H.G.....As John plainly tells us he saw the Son of Man within the 7 Golden candlesticks..Not Moses or Elijah...ok
Ezekiel 3:1 Moreover He said unto me, Son of Adam, eat that thou findest; eat this scroll, and go speak unto the house of Israel
3:3 And He said unto me, Son of Adam, cause thy belly to eat, and fill thy bowels with this roll that I give thee. Then did I eat it; and it was in my mouth as honey for sweetness.
14 So the spirit lifted me up, and took me away, and I went in bitterness, in the heat of my spirit; but the hand of the LORD was strong upon me.
Revelation 10:8 And the voice which I heard from heaven I heard speaking with me again, saying, "Go and take the Book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth."
9 And I went unto the angel, ... saying to him, "Give me the Book." And he saith to me, "Take it, and eat it up [receivethe knowledge]; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.
It was the knowledge of the book that caused them bitter.
The belly reference is a figure of speech, the word is koilia and the Usage: is belly, abdomen, heart, a general term covering any organ in the abdomen, e.g. stomach, womb; met: the inner man.
The Great City (Babylon) is symbolic for confusion whereby peoples, nations, and tongues are the wave of, and it's where God's Election Prophecy, whether during the Great tribulation, or during the Millennium.
I agree, we do not know how John died, Selah!
I humbly disagree but I'm not above correction and reproof. I'd like to offer rebuttal on these points:
1. Rev 10:11, John is told in no uncertain terms that he will be returning to prophesize ... before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
This is almost the exact same language as Rev 17:15 ... The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. Coincidence? Nothing in the Bible happens by coincidence.
2. Is there somewhere in the Bible that specifically states that John is one of the 7,000? If you cannot cite a Biblical reference, then I suspect your belief is speculative. Conversely, I can cite a reference that John will prophesize in the "Great City". Do we just disregard a factual statement?
3. While I agree with you that we can only physically die once, in truth, we do not know how John died.
4. The angel tells John that he must prophesize again. What do you think the angel meant when he said "again"? To me, this means that John was mortal when he wrote Revelation, and he'll be mortal again when he prophesizes the second time. Then, both John and Elijah will physically die.
5. Our disagreement lies not with whether he will return but when. I offer to you that the greatest prophet next to Jesus, our Savior, the person who wrote Revelation, will return to see it through. If you think about it, it kinda makes sense.
I eagerly await your response as I value knowledge and wisdom. Equally important is that I hope you do not take offense at what I've written. It wasn't meant that way. Thank you for your understanding Luke. God Bless.
With God, all things are possible; I just hope I make the first resurrection!
The Zedok are written of in Acts 2
"At the seventh trumpet; the death of your flesh and blood body, you will become the image of Christ: and will go as a ministering spirit to prophesy to the deceived; as do all other saints.
Psalms 149:9 To execute upon them (the deceived) the judgement written (that all come to the truth and knowledge of God): this honour hath all his saints.
Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, HOLY BRETHREN, partakers of the heavenly (divine) calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of OUR PROFESSION, Christ Jesus."
God Bless YOU, his (Christ's) BODY.
Have you also come to the TRUTH that you WILL BE, also, one of the priest of Zadok.
At the seventh trumpet; the death of your flesh and blood body, you will become the image of Christ: and will go as a ministering spirit to prophesy to the deceived; as do all other saints.
Psalms 149:9 To execute upon them (the deceived) the judgement written (that all come to the truth and knowledge of God): this honour hath all his saints.
Hebrews 3:1 Wherefore, HOLY BRETHREN, partakers of the heavenly (divine) calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of OUR PROFESSION, Christ Jesus.
God Bless YOU, his (Christ's) BODY.
John is one of the 7000 Zedok(God's Very Elect)who lived and (DIED) throughout the centuries who will be returning with Christ at the 7th trumpet,,, And they say to me, "Thou must prophesy again concerning many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings."
John will be returning with Christ, not as one of the two witnesses.
Just as the book was bitter to John's belly, it was so to Ezekiel's belly who is also one of the 7000 Zedok(God's Very Elect) returning with Christ.
John's flesh cannot DIE twice, or be killed twice, and there's no mention of John being transfigured.
John will be returning with Christ to "prophesy again concerning many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings."
There is much speculation as to who these two individuals are but there is no need to guess. The two witnesses are Elijah from the Old Testament and John, the writer of Revelation, from the New. How do we know this? Because the Bible tells us.
Malachi 4:5 - Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD
Rev 10:11 - And he [an angel] said unto me [John], Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
Revelation 11:3 And I will give power to My two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days[3 years and a half], clothed in sackcloth."
4 These represent the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks which stand before the Lord of the earth.
How can they stand before the Lord?, it's because they didn't die, they were transfigured, God just took them.
Now, how many have stood on earth, and stands before the Lord? Enoch we know,,, but God wouldn't let anyone bury Moses; the Devil hunts for his bones but could never find them.
Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There are some of those standing here, which shall by no means taste of death, till they may have seen the Son of man coming in His kingdom."
THE GLORY FORESHOWN, THE TRANSFIGURATION
Matthew 17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Him aside Peter, and James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
2 And was transfigured [changed in form] before them:and His face did shine as the sun, and His raiment became white as the light.
3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elijah talking together with Him.
Since Moses, and EliJAH were seen transfigured on the mount with Jesus, and we know of only the three that were transfigured, Enoch, Moses, and Elijah, it's more than likely the two witnesses are they.
Never base anything scriptural on popular belief/theory, the two witnesses still have much to do! they play a key role in the end times. Their work is not done, their testimony is yet to come, Revelation 11:7-13
I prayed for you and God showed me these short answer to your question. God also reveals to me you are a very special person for recognizing God. You are correct Jesus Christ is the Son of God and Jesus never said He is God. God also gave us in scriptures in the Old Testament that God is the LORD (all uppercase). In the New Testament, the Lord (only "L") is Jesus Christ. Since God sent God's "only begotten Son" (5X mentioned in the NT) you will find that Jesus Christ said in John 10:30 "I and my Father are one.". Another very STRONG Bible verses that showed evidences Jesus Christ is God are the following )along with the entire NT and our fellowbelievers whom I believe are considered saints:Giannis and Vince who responded to your comment):
Acts 2:34-36
Luke 20:42-44
Revelation 11:8
Revelation 11:15
Revelation 15:3-4 The song of the Lamb Who is Jesus Christ. These verses I sing in my head all the time.
Revelation 17:4
My friend, I will be happy as much as God will and the entire Body of Christ to hear that you believe Jesus Christ is God. Agape.
I appreciate your respectul remarks and am ok with continuing to dialog as long as that remains.
I can offer a challenge to few of your points in your last comment.
1. John 1:1 says, "In the beginning", God does not have a beginning.
It sounds like you are using this as evidence to support your view. I don't view it that way at all. First, this says "in the beginning" not "in God's beginning" or "in the Word's beginning". So, this phrase doesn't suggest any limitation on God whatsoever, but is just marking for us in our own human terms that Jesus was always there.
Do you remember Jesus saying this: "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last." That doesn't mean He's limited, but the opposite, it means He spans everything! Revelation 22:13 - notice the words in red that Jesus said that.
It also says this in Revelation 1:8, notice it says "says the Lord". Lord is Greek word kurios which is supreme authority or God. Some translations say "says the Lord God" and is the same meaning. This is Jesus speaking about Himself, it too is in red.
Isaiah 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." - notice this is the same claim Jesus made in Revelation. If there's only one and only one who makes that claim then it seems logical that the claim in both the New and Old Testament are from the same being.
Revelation 11:17 - This uses the same word Lord (kurios) of which Jesus is Lord ( Romans 10:9) and uses the word theos (God) with it, so it calls Jesus "Lord God." Do you agree? How do you feel about this verse?
Isaiah 43:11 - "I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour." So, it says Jesus is Lord and our savior in the New Testament and there's no other Lord. Here in the OT it also says the Lord is the savior and no one else. That is all in alignment with John 10:30. Yes?
John 5:23 - we must honor Jesus.
And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Then again there are two witnesses. I went back to Matthew, Mark, Luke, for they mostly say the same thing, but Luke elaborated more.
Luke 9:30-33
And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias: Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem. But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw his glory, and the two men that stood with him.
And it came to pass, as they departed from him, Peter said unto Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias: not knowing what he said. I do not know for sure about Malachi 4:5 message yet. We will pray for God to reveal His message. Thank you.
Exodus 25:31,32, placement, Exodus 26:35, Leviticus 24:4, Hebrews 9:1-28,
Jeremiah 52:19,
Matthew 5:14-16,
Revelation 1:12-20, Revelation 2:1-5, Revelation 11:3-4, Revelation 22,
Hopefully these are helpful in your study
Matthew 1:6 Jesus called Christ, John 4:25, Luke 6:15, John 1:42, John 11:16, not Colossians 4:11,
Romans 2:17, Romans 7:3, same supposed writer as Acts , also Romans 9:26
Matthew 26:14, Luke 23:33, John 19:13, John 19:17, Acts 6:9, Revelation 11:8,
Revelation 12:9,
Luke 2:4, Luke 8:2, John 21:2, different than Acts 9:11,
Acts 1:23, Acts 9:36,
Colossians 3:15, 1John 3:1,
Hopefully these are all helpful in your study
The concept that the church is separate and distinct from the Jews or any other faith or religion is a doctrinal fallacy, each of us are graffed into the body of Christ as believers which is and was and is to come & the entirety of the bible is for ALL of us. The gospel from Paul was him expounding all of the old testament scriptures which Jesus fulfilled, not pontificating his own letters. Rightly dividing the word did not mean to pick and choose what you want, but to consider all things written when harmonizing the scriptures.
Real eyes realize real lies...
Respectfully,
Isa 61:2-3
1 Thes 3:4
2 Thes 1: 6-10
I will try to keep it short; this is my understanding.
We see at the end of Revelation 12 in the original text the dragon is standing on the sand and the first beast comes up out of the sea (abyss/bottomless pit). In Revelation 13 the dragon (Satan) gives this beast his seat, power, and great authority to this beast, and he makes war with the saints and overcomes them. He is given 42 months = 1260 days = 3 years. There is also in the site of this first beast another beast with two horns, the false prophet.
In Revelation 11:3 the two witnesses will prophesy 1260 days the same amount of time as the two beasts (great tribulation) the image people are made to worship, the mark to be able to buy or sell, and the killings of those that reject, (the hour of temptation).
In Revelation 11:7-8 this beast that comes out of the bottomless pit kills the two witnesses in the "city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt," (Jerusalem). This same beast we see in Revelation 9 and Revelation 17.
In Revelation, there are three the dragon (Satan), the first beast, and the false prophet (the second beast). If we go by the description of antichrist the only place in the bible given by John in 1 John 2:18,22 1 John 4:3 and 1 John 1:7 there are billions, not just one.
Hope this helps,
God bless,
RLW