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Rev;11 if you read it and observe the happenings in the world you will see that it is actually happening. The two witnesses are the Muslim people who lost there power, and now they will be destroyed by the beast.

The Holy Spirit is not around during the great tribulation, because, understand first that man brings all the miseries and poverty war,and famine disease flood and heavy typhoon to himself. He attracts it , because he choose evil works than righteousness, bringing death to himself. the Holy Spirit can not come to a person who does not accept GOD LMIGHTY.

AND THE TRIBULATION is man made as it has always been. Man creates this war and ,whoremongering idolatry, hence we are very close to the great tribulation

Glenn, thanks for your response: "If Jesus is coming here ,. An preparing for our Father to set up his kingdom, in Jerusalem, where is anyone being raptured to ? Where ya going ? I've heard of one rapture,.. but now 3 ? This is very confusing,.."

Precious friend, actually the confusion disappears when the THREE raptures "are LEFT In God's Contexts, Where HE Placed Them!" Amen? ie:

PRE-TOJT rapture:

(1) Body Of CHRIST Departure TO Heaven (Read/study Romans - Philemon) = God's 'Context' is ALL 'Spiritual!' We are not "looking for the man of sin/signs to enter into The Time of Jacob's Trouble." ( 2 Corinthians 5:7); We are "looking, watching, and Patiently waiting For CHRIST, Who Will Present ALL of The Body Of CHRIST, holy and unblameable and unreproveable, In His Sight, TO His Father, In Heaven, Where we Will Live Forever And Ever! ( 1 Thessalonians 3:13; Colossians 1:5, 22; 1 Corinthians 6:3; 2 Corinthians 5:1-2) Amen?

MID-TOJT raptures:

(2) During The Time {God's 'Context'} of JACOB's {ISRAEL's} Trouble, there Will Be TWO "raptures":

a) one departure is of the TWO witnesses, killed, resurrected, and taken up ( Revelation 11:1-12)

b) the other departure is of the 144,000 "sealed virgins of TWELVE tribes ( Revelation 7:1-8) redeemed from the earth," and were "without fault before The Throne of God!" ( Revelation 14:1-5)

Please refrain from listening to those who "MIX these up" in confusion. And:

Please Be RichlyEncouraged, Enlightened,Exhorted, and Edified In JESUS CHRIST!

( 2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship, today?)

What more of a sign do the unbelievers need to be given to see prophesy unfold? You recognize the grizzle, but not the steak: 9-11-01 was the 5th trumpet, showcased in Revelation 9:1-11. It's obvious why are leaders chose that date, the same date Jews remember the destruction of both temples (Tisha b'Av), the assumed date of Jesus' birth. What else could it have been but the beginning of sorrows? The description of the war on terror takes us up to this very day, to the tail end of the 5th trumpet.....so how could you overlook such a catastrophic event that has dramatically changed our world? How can you deny the 5th trumpet order when it has been painfully played out over the past 20 years?

We are currently staring down the 6th seal ( Revelation 6:12-14) leading us into the day of the Lord, 6th trumpet when 1/3rd of the population dies from anti-christ's global attack.

Jesus' return at the time of the end is at the 7th trumpet, approximately 42 month after the 6th trumpet (anti-christ's rule). Jesus, with a new name, soundly defeats anti-christ ( Revelation 11:15).

The Bible has an order of prophetic events that unfold in their given time. If you are looking for Jesus Christ to show Himself in the clouds before prophesy is fulfilled, you are doing yourself and the Word a great disservice. How is it possible for 7th trumpet Jesus (Messiah) to show up before 6th trumpet Jesus (who comes like a thief to lay the land desolate)? Everything you profess has to fit in these established parameters, or you are preaching you own will. If you learn the last 3 trumpets, know where events fit in, you will begin to understand the order of the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Precious friend, Jesus Ortiz. Note: there are THREE future 'raptures.'

(1) God's Scriptures for The Great GRACE Departure {rapture} Of The Body Of CHRIST, BEFORE The Time Of Jacob's Trouble:

1 Corinthians 15:51-57

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 "falling away" = THE Great GRACE Departure "away from earth"

God's Scriptures for departures {raptures} DURING The Time Of JACOB's TROUBLE:

(2) Revelation 11:1-12

(3) Revelation 14:1-5

Precious friend, Jesus Ortiz, Please Be RichlyEncouraged, Enlightened,Exhorted, and Edified! ( 2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship, today?)

Precious friends, look likes "Part I" did not get posted, so here it is:

Will God "rapture" the church out before the great tribulation? I believe By "studying God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided," we can ask HIM, "What Saith The SCRIPTURES"? Amen?:

Part I

PRE-TOJT Great GRACE Departure:

(A) God's TWO Different programs, Rightly Divided

(B) Distinctions Between GREAT GRACE Departure and Second Coming

LORD JESUS, we beseech Thee Now For Thy Divine Understanding In This Thy Most Important Doctrine For our COMFORT And Consolation. Amen. ( 1 Thessalonians 4:18)

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(A) God's TWO Different programs, Rightly Divided:

Time Of JACOB's {Israel's} Trouble (TOJT), Ending With The Second Coming, is found in:

God's Prophetic Program, Under LAW, gospel of the kingdom ("ages" past/future) (Genesis-John; Hebrews-Revelation)

God's "Earthly Kingdom" Purpose From "the foundation of the world" ( Matthew 25:34)

God's Purpose Prophesied "since the world began" ( Luke 1:68-70; Acts 3:21)

Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From Things That DIFFER:

Great GRACE Departure!

Pre-TOJT Resurrection/Departure of The Body Of CHRIST, Ending God's Age Of GRACE, Is Found In:

God's Revelation Of The Mystery, Under The Gospel Of The GRACE Of God { Current = "But NOW!" } (Romans through Philemon!)

God's "Heavenly Hidden" Purpose Before "the foundation of the world" ( Ephesians 1:4; 2 Timothy 1:9)

God's Heavenly Purpose Kept Secret "since the world began" ( Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:4-11, 3:5-9)

to be continued in Part II...

The witnesses are the one hundred and forty four thousand sealed from death for 42 months. They are showcased in 7 different chapters of Revelation, in different capacities, allegories and metaphors. Like their appearance in Chapter 12; only the witnesses, (the 12 tribes) are sealed and protected for 42 months.

When the witness are called up to heaven ( Revelation 11:12) and they appear in heaven as the one hundred forty four thousand ( Revelation 7:13-14) after being sealed 42 months prior ( Revelation 7:1-8) They come out of the great tribulation!!!

( Revelation 11:4) These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. These 2 olive trees and 2 candlesticks are both houses of Israel, 2 nations, before God.

There is no separation between the witnesses and the sealed tribes, they are one in the same.

I long for the day of the Lord when the haughty get lowered, with a flame on every face. I understand what happens that day, I'm not taken by surprise, unlike those who think it to be a good day. I've had it up to my nostrils with the stench of US and world corruption, murder and mayhem. When God visits the backsliding whole house of Israel, their spoiling and treachery will come to a violent end. Esau, with God on His side, will be brought forth to obliterate Jacob to dust. I bet you've read it many times without understanding that the prophets were talking about us. So the day of the Lord will come, and the abomination of desolation will deliver fire from the south to the north, fulfilling God's Word.

Everything you hold dear about America, Jesus greatly despises. You stand in opposition to those that dwell in heaven. No matter how bold your words are, they fall short of what's written. Mystery Babylon America runs the show with her allies in crime, Europe, otherwise known as Babylon proper. Devices will darken every kingdom. The whole house of Israel used to be the head, but have since transitioned into the tail. When America/Israel bombs Iran's blossoming nuclear facility ( Revelation 6:14), know that ( Revelation 6:12) will soon follow. Do you notice that the 6th seal, vs 12, kick starts the 6th trumpet, day of the Lord? It's gonna be the greatest show on earth, bringing baldness and clean teeth. You should let go of her, come out of her, stop defending her.

( Revelation 6:12) And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

Count me among them that break out in song when America's plot to rule the world from Jerusalem for a thousand years gets its due comeuppance. Good riddance 'greater Israel project'.

"God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided," Lets God "Say It":

Part III

The Second 'prophesied' Coming

Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From Things That DIFFER:

The PRE-TOJT Great GRACE Departure, According to TheHeavenly'Mystery!':

(1) Immediately After GRACE Has ENDED/ZERO signs!:

CHRIST, As Head Of His Body, The Church, Will Descend From Heaven! ( Ephesians 1:19-23; Colossians 1:18; 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17)

(2) CHRIST Is Coming With A Shout, With the voice of an archangel, And With The Trump of God! ( 1 Thessalonians 4:16)

3) God (JESUS CHRIST) Will BringWithHim {those who Were With Him In Heaven},partOf His Own, those who are "asleep In JESUS!" ( 2 Corinthians 5:8; Philippians 1:21-23; 1 Thessalonians 4:13)

(4) CHRIST Descends WithOnearchangel, Will resurrect those asleep{in 3)}First, and Then, we "which are alive and remain," {which Is A Mystery!}, will be changed/all "incorruptible, And Caught Up" together to meet The LORD in the air {NOT "all the way to the earth!"}, in the "twinkling of an eye!" ( 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; 1 Corinthians 15:52-53)

(5) CHRIST "Gathers His Body" To HIMSELF, to Take them To Heaven {OPPOSITE of earth}... ( 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3; 1 Corinthians 15:49; 2 Corinthians 12:2, 5:1, 2; Ephesians 1:3, 20, 2:6; Philippians 3:20; 2 Timothy 4:18)

6)...For The Judgment Seat Of CHRIST, For HIS Heavenly Body, By The Head Himself!... ( Romans 2:6, 16, 14:10-12; 1 Corinthians 3:7-15, 4:5, 6:20; 2 Corinthians 5:10; Ephesians 6:8; Colossians 3:24-25)

to be continued in:

Part IV God's PRE-TOJT Great GRACE Departure!

Part IV God's PRE-TOJT Great GRACE Departure!:

(7a) ...After Judgment, the GRACE assembly Is Then Presented as A Glorious Church, To CHRIST Himself!... ( Ephesians 5:27)

(7b) ...And, Then CHRIST Will Present His Body, holy and unblameable and unreproveable, In His Sight, To His Father, In Heaven, Where we Live Forever And Ever! Amen! ( 1 Thessalonians 3:13; Colossians 1:5, 22; 1 Corinthians 6:3; 2 Corinthians 5:1-2)

Thus, we do "Know the order, and realize our place according to the grand scheme." = Today is GOD's PURE {Gospel Of} GRACE {Light} 'Offered' to all 'INDIVIDUALS,' and WHEN 'it ENDS' With HIS Great GRACE Departure {'Removing' ALL HIS 'ambassadors'}, only THEN Will Fall:

God's {OPPOSITE of GRACE} JUDGMENT In The Time of JACOB's TROUBLE {Tribulation, GREAT tribulation And Wrath in Woe, Dread, Terror, And DARKNESS}, for "ISRAEL And The UNbelieving Nations!"

Thus, question: Precious friend, WHY do you "DESIRE what is NOT our place according to the grand scheme"? ( Amos 5:18)

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LORD JESUS, thank You so much for Your Precious BLOOD, Gift Of ETERNAL Salvation, And for Your Blessed Hope ofGlorification When You COME To Finally GATHER us HOME! Amen.

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our "place In The Grand Scheme"?:

( 2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9) = Grace/Mystery 'fellowship,' today, Current, "But NOW!" Amen?

Precious friends, Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, Edified, And "COMFORTED With THESE Words Of God's Truth!" ( 1 Thessalonians 4:18)

Revelation was written and represented in signs. meaning using people, persons (Warning examples of wicked people and their actions) to describe the message. for example, according to Revelations 6:1-8:

1.The Red Horse: Peace taken from the earth.. They will slaughter one another (Civil wars, the deadly war WWI & WWII etc.)

2. The Black Horse: (Famine The Great depression etc.)

3. The pale Horse: Deadly plague...The Grave/Death ( 1918 influenza pandemic, HIV, Flu, Common cold,

Covid-19,Delta variant etc.)

Why is the world in critical condition?

Satan was hurled down from heaven and is misleading nations rulers and kings:

1 John 5:19; Genesis 3; Genesis chapter 6 and 9;

Luke and Matthew 4; Ephesians 6:11-13; Revelation 12:7-12;

2 Corinthians 4:4

What is the result of Satan the devil's influence:

2 Timothy 3:1-7

Matthew 24

1 Corinthians 6:9,10; Ephesians 5:5

What will Jesus do since his father gave him all authority?

( Matthew 24:14;28:18-20)

1. Revelation 11:15;20 Chapter

2. Revelation 11:18

3. John 5:28,29; Revelation 21:3-5;22 Chapter

Who is law for?

1 Timothy 1:8-10

2 Timothy 3:16,17

john 17:3

Thank you brother Earl for many encouragements.

The 2 witnesses are not 2 people, and they are put right in front of your face, in several incantations. Who's sealed from death 42 months from both houses? Look a little closer at the definition of their description, they're there.

Glen,

I'm glad to see your understanding is consistent with scripture. If you notice there is an information gap between the first and second resurrections. For instance, ( Revelation 11:12) describes the one hundred forty four thousand being called up to heaven. You would think that this is the only resurrection because the saints appear alone on Mount Olives with Jesus at the seventh trumpet. The thousand year reign on earth cannot house the many billions that make up the the dead in Christ. The second resurrection comprises the "whole house of Israel" as depicted in ( Ezekiel 37:1-14). This doesn't count the 108 billion soles that have ever lived. This is why the new heavens and earth come about, to accommodate everyone.

1 Thessalonians 4:17 marks the first resurrection, but its presentation is incomplete and confusing. Are there elements of both resurrections here? There's no doubt that at the final trumpet everyone is changed. Paul is saying that all believers rise, but is he talking about the saints/ 24 elders being resurrected; when he says "we", is he talking about his set? If this is the dead in Christ resurrection, where do all the risen go to manifest themselves in the afterlife. There is never any mention of the dead in heaven, other than the saints. Are these believers being held in a unique place, other than joining the saints and elders? Are details being withheld till a later time when we're able to process it. Anything written past the seventh trumpet has been made confusing, details are withheld. It's as if the two resurrections have something in common with the sealed up seven thunders.

It is clear that there are gaps in the resurrection time-line, and the story is presented in a manner that merges the two resurrections together. Ideally, the first resurrection is for the saints/elders, and the second is for everyone else. However, I couldn't wholeheartedly sign off on a theory for the mentioned reasons.

Please do not say that God will "rapture" the church out before the great tribulation, or anytime other than at the end. Does it make sense that at the great tribulation that God seals the saints on earth against anti-christ's rule, while "rapturing" out sinners because we profess to be Christian's? You are appointed one death. Do you think God would "rapture" billions of Christian sinners, and leave His elect to battle to the death with anti-christ? That notion is absolutely preposterous, non-Biblical and has zero chance happening. You are conflating doctrines with man-made ones that have no merit. You didn't study it let alone think it through.

The first resurrection ( Revelation 11:12) takes place at the seventh trumpet when the mystery of God is finished. "Raptured" Christians are not part of the army (saints) standing on the hill with Christ, they are no where to be found in Revelation 14:1. If you were "raptured" where did you go that you're not part of God's army? Misleading people about a pipe dream has drawbacks in the eyes of God. Stop perpetuating a popular, yet unsubstantiated lie through false faith and poisonous divination. Christian's that think too highly of themselves will be greatly disappointed when darkness comes. Both the righteous and the wicked will die like they have in previous wars. Know the order, and realize your place according to the grand scheme.

Hi , I just wanted to say , that he comes as the anti-Christ , a Jesus wanna be , the great deceiver, I do not believe that he an his fallen angels will be killing people that do not worship him ,.. but you are absolutely right on one thing, a lot of people will certainly be fooled an follow him , it's the election that will not , an they will be delivered up , for a witness / testimony of the holy sprit , the only 2 people that will be killed by them is the 2 witnesses,..

peace

Amen and Amen, Brother Carleton.

I have a serious problem with the idea that taking the mark condemns you to hell. Are these survivors Christian's that should know better than to take the mark, but do so because they are lukewarm? Either way, you will take the mark cause your flesh is weak. We are human, corruptible, and as such we do sin that Christ has already covered on the cross, so what's going on here? Why are you so confused to misrepresent scripture, so it makes sense to you? Why can't you connect the dots using what God gave you?

You will take the mark to avoid being shot at, tortured, stabbed or killed. The ones taking the mark will do so to survive, their families, that's a natural response. If you don't the take the mark, you'll die of want, so why not kill yourself to save yourself? Killing yourself is a sin, but it's better than the mark, right? This amounts to false fear mongering, misinterpreting the end times, plain and simple.

Now listen to this: the refusal of the mark is addressed specifically towards the one hundred forty four thousand sealed saints from twelve tribes of Israel. They are the only ones strong enough to not take the mark. I know you never ever knew this truth before, and don't try to say you did. Just be glad you know now, and don't forget where you learned it, either. Everyone else during the great tribulation will be eating their portion of anti-christ's meat.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

The last mark of the beast may be unbelief, where the salt has lost the saltiness.

Revelation 14

9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive HIS MARK in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the WRATH of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

If the Christian's true love is Jesus, then they as a members of the faithful bride, will not look for another husband for their protection.

If the two witnesses are the Word and the Spirit of Jesus Christ (we know Jesus is at the right hand of the Father and in the beginning the Word was with God) , the Bible teaches that Christians will be eradicated from the earth by the Beast.

So the Word and the Spirit would no longer deal with those who take the mark of the Beast, because they are damned to Hell.

What if it was the Soviet Union that died a mortal death on Dec 25, 1991 and within 2 decades rises up to become a beast known as the Russian Federation? What would you do when this Russian beast obliterates America and Israel to dust? Truth is stranger than fiction.

Revelation 13:3

WHAT IF the first beast in Revelation is Fascism/Communism- which was wounded by the sword in WWll, yet lives-

and the second beast is technology(the first Apple Computer was sold for $666.66-Google it) which has given the corrupt power for the first time in history to monitor every living person on the face of the earth, and can make the image of Fascism and corruption (originated to attempt to restore the Roman Empire through Benito Mussolini)?

The second Beast(Technology) can make the image of the 1st Beast, which was wounded by the sword and did live(WWll was lost and Benito Mussolini hanged, yet his followers continued on) speak, and there is a movement now all over the world to comply with a mindset and hate is directed toward Christians the same way Hitler directed it towards the Jews. The second Beast will have the power that all who will not worship the image of the first Beast to be killed, and no one will be able to buy or sell, unless they have the mark of the 1st Beast(Fascism) which is the number of a man.

Think about it.

And when Christianity is no longer preached, and the Spirit of God no longer pricks the hearts of the wicked(the two witnesses) the world will celebrate and send gifts to one another, and suffer not their bodies(the churches) to be buried.

What if? Just sayin.....

Hey John,

Like is said, many people have a plethora of interpretations on Revelation. The word antichrist has developed into a being, along with seven years into a story of fiction. The word antichrist is only in first and second John ( 1 John 2:18,22) (1 John4:3) ( 1John 1:7), if you read, there are billions of antichrists today.

If you read Revelation there is not one, or two, but three, Satan, the beast, and the false prophet. Satan is cast down to earth Revelation 12; this is permanent because no place is left for him in heaven, he gives his seat, authority, and power to the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit. In Revelation 13 this beast comes out of the sea (bottomless pit) ( Revelation 11:7) ( Revelation 17:8). The second beast (false prophet) Makes image and causes those to worship the first beast and take the mark ( Revelation 13:11-18)

I am not familiar with J. Vernon Mcgee so I cannot comment on what he said. Many takes Daniel, Mathew and some of Paul and paint some fantastic picture of end time. If you are studying Revelation read it from front to back 5-10 times with no preconceived ideas in your head before you start to study it.

Many interpretations use scripture and prophecies that have already been fulfilled, pray before you study and let the Holy Spirit lead you. Clear your mind from all the things you have heard and understand that somethings have not been revealed to us as yet. Some things we will not know until they happen.

Walk in the light,

RLW

Judith,

Many do not believe we will be here; it is the gathering of the Church (rapture). I believe scripture tells us if we are living, we will be here and we must be prepared, but you can study that for your conscience. We see in Revelation 12 and 13 when Satan is cast down permanently to earth with no more access to heaven. Satan is standing on the sand of the sea when the first beast ascends out of the sea (bottomless pit). ( Revelation 11:7) ( Revelation 17:8) Satan gives his seat, authority, and power to this beast, and this beast makes war against the saints and prevails. People on earth will worship Satan and this beast because of the power that will be shown, the world will be incapable to make war against it.

The second beast (false prophet) rises and creates an image of the first beast and causes people to worship the image and take the mark. He deceives people with great wonders, miracles, and power in the sight of the first beast. So being in the sight of the first beast appears the two beasts are here during the same time.

This mark is not something that you will not know you are taking, whoever takes this mark will willingly take it and whoever does not worship that image and take the mark will be killed, scary thought but true. Anyone whose name is written in the Lambs book of life will not worship the beast or image and will not take the mark.

Have peace in your heart, the Holy Spirit in us will make it crystal clear what will be happening and we will overcome the hour of temptation. ( Revelation 3:10). This is going to be the darkest time so far on earth and many to most of us in Christ who are still living will be killed. Jesus said after the tribulation of those days. ( Matthew 24:29-31) ( Mark 13:24-27)

Pray and Study, trust the Holy Spirit of truth.

RLW

Judy,

In my opinion, we are currently in tribulation which started Sept 11, 2001 (fifth trumpet)

The Great tribulation starts at the sixth trumpet (you will not miss it like the others).

The Holy Spirit will be there to comfort the besieged through it all..

Gerald Gods spirit and power are always around He is Omnipresent.

John 14:16

And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

John 14:26

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 15:26

But when the Comforter is come, whom I will SEND UNTO YOU from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

John 16:7

Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

On the day of Pentecost, the Disciples in the Upper Room, Received the Holy Spirit. ACTS 2. You should read all of that passage. Jesus promised. The Disciples were joyous. The event spilled out into the streets.

The Holy Spirit is given to THOSE who receive Jesus as Savior and Lord. He is the 3rd person of the Godhead! And Jesus by going to the Cross made it possible to be baptized by the Holy Spirit.

When the believers are caught up to the clouds with Jesus, the Holy Spirits ministry on earth after that will be only for those unsaved people that pray for salvation, AND DO NOT TAKE THE MARK OF THE BEAST. (That mark will have GPS tracking)

People you love; tell them how to receive Jesus now.

Mishael

Hi Judy, I'm going to say up front any time we discuss "the tribulation" or the book of Revelations how ever many people you have discussing them that's how many opinions, beliefs, interpretations you are going to have. With that being said let me say if we carefully look around us today I think it's safe to say we are living in tumultuous or "pressing" times which is what tribulation means in the original Grk. form of the word. Will the Holy Ghost be around? If God is (around) or has anything to do with it(pressing times) then yes. Will an individual FEEL that Spirit is another matter altogether. I know the word says in Gen. "that God's spirit will not always strive with man..." now before all you Bible scholars start "stoning" me (I use the term loosely) and shouting "that was Old Test.! God was talking to Noah....!" yes that's true however "as it was in the days of Noah so shall it be when the Son of Man returns", I believe Jesus said that. Suffice it to say I would (personally) not want to be around if and when that happens. Lets live our lives now," walk in the Spirit...." Gal. 5:16 and if ( or when ) tribulation comes I'll have nothing to worry about but if I'm still here when God raptures His church out of here, well I'd be a little worried. Hope this Helped, God Bless.