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The Bible is like no other book, to where
One story has More than One meaning.Then theres Parallels of one story through out.
one person will see one meaning another see's another meaning,or Parallel.then add to it representations of Actuals..
When a person seeks out Gods word,there like tree growing in a field
its All good
It Reveals All,from the beginning of time to the end.Differant realms,things visible n invisible to mankind,Representations and Actualities. Some are Unveiled mysteries,meaning humans wont know exactly until it happens,then its aahh...
In one condensed book..That is whats happening now,its here..
A example of what mentioned would be like in verse 4.John see's two olive tree's and two candle sticks.
The olive tree's and candle sticks,are/were actual physical representations of two actual physical people,not humans,in a differant realm.
You didn't answer my questions. You said I was "wrong" about the 2 witnesses, but not why. You had to Google it, I recognized the script you copied. Therefore, I will answer the questions for you:
The 144K are the church, they are Christ's bride. The 2 witnesses, the two candlesticks & two olive trees, the woman from Revelation 12, are all symbolism, metaphors, and allegory describing the 144K. The 2 witnesses and the 144K have the same mission, within the same time frame. You still can't make the connection?
( Psalms 52:8) But I am like a green olive tree in the house of God: I trust in the mercy of God for ever and ever.
A single nation was an olive tree. A nation divided became two olive trees, two houses, two witnesses.
Below are 5 scripture depictions of the 144K on route to or in heaven. After being called up to heaven, the firstfruits are gathered for their judgment. The 144K "witnesses" are judged and resurrected in the twinkling of an eye. Look how the Rev 7 & Rev 11 stories parallel each other.
( Revelation 11:12) And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
( Revelation 7:9) After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
( Revelation 7:14)...These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Revelation 14:1-4
Revelation 20:4
Can it get any clearer? The 2 witnesses die, and no sooner do they appear in heaven as the coveted 144K. I have no idea where you stand, but, If you're going to dismiss my interpretation, the burden is on you to back it up with facts. Can you post your own ideas about the 2 witnesses for me to review?
Richard Estrada
Yes, I understand, I have heard several theories on two witness, one different from
the other among them, which do not match the revelation of the Word of God, for me
your theory is more one, the newer. Presumptions and conjectures, and imaginations,
speculations, opinions, based in the letter of Scriptures, they mean nothing but severe
punishments-Rev.22:v.18-20. Let's be careful. He that has an ear, let him hear what
the Spirit sais unto the churches.
The seven candlesticks are the seven Churches of the first century, mentioned in Revelation
chapters 2and3; By analogy, the two candlesticks - Revelation 11:v.4 - are the two churches
of this time of Apocalipse, times of the end. He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit
sais unto the Churches.
For me what prevails is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD, understand? For there are three
that bear record in Heaven(Heaven? Ephesians 1:v.3), the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit
(who is not a ghost as is writtten in English language,but a person-the Comforter-John16:7-15):
and these three are One.
The source of all things is GOD, the Father, the Word is GOD, and He Himself planted the two
olive trees here for the purpose of supplying mainly in this current time the two candlesticks,
i.e. the last two churches, actually his people as a whole, with the anointing oil, as said John
the Apostle-2:20-21: -20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the Truth, but because ye know it, and
that no lie is of the Truth.
The express Word of God implicit in two Covenants-the Old and New Testaments- both are
the Tree of Life that GOD planted here by Word, and to him that overcomes He will give to
eat of the tree of life, there is a manna and it is hidden. He that overcomes, and keeps my
works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations.
Amen.
No, Robert, the 144K are not the two witnesses, absolutely, and they will not "be killed in the
great tribulation", as you said. The 144K will be sealed in their foreheads as the servants of
our God from now on- Revelation 7:v.1-4. These are the remnant of Israel that will be saved
-Is.10:v.20-22. These will be redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and
to the Lamb, for they are without fault before the throne of God.
You quoted Jeremiah 11:v.16 that refers to "A green olive tree"
and discerned not in the same verse that its branches were broken. Why? Verse 17 explains
the why: -The Lord of hosts, that planted thee, pronounced evil against thee, for the evil of
the house of Israel and of the house of Judah, which they have done against themselves to
provoke me to anger in offering incense unto Baal.
You quoted Zachariah 4:11- Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive
trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?
Didn't you see? In the time of Zechariah there was only and only one candlestick, and two olive
trees, (one candlestick has nothing to do with Israel and Judah, now in the current time there
are two candlesticks, and refers to two aproved Churches of the Lord-one Gentile and one Jewish,
and the two OLIVE TREES are a source of Oil for the two candlesticks standing before the God of
the earth. Revelation 11:v.4.
We can say the two Olive Trees gave rise to the Old Testament-the Torah-and to the New Testament.
The Bible is a product originating from two Olive Trees written in two parts, in two different periods,
God uses the OLD and NEW TESTAMENTS as His powerful witnesses within the two candlesticks.
Remember: The WORD is GOD. Yeah, the Word is GOD.
Jude 1:v. 6-7 reveals that: 6 "the angels which kept not their first estate (the nature of angels), but left
their own habitation (but rebelled), ... 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like
manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example,
suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Regarding to the angels, GOD hath reserved them in everlasting chains under darkness unto the Judgment
of this Great Day - the Lord's Day, that is the seventh and last Day, or seventh and last millennium, the
Millennium of Christ.
Now, in the time of restoration of all things- Acts 3:v.18 to26-the process will be inverse, from the human
or animal nature to the nature of angels, as JESUS said- Luke 20:v.35-36:
35 But they which shall be accounted WORTHY to obtain that world (the next world-the Kingdom of GOD-
Revelation 11:v.15-18), and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are EQUAL unto the ANGELS; and are the children of God,
being the children of the resurrection.
Philippians 3:v.20-21 -
20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto His glorious body, according to the
working whereby He is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
1 Corinthians 15:v.53-54
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality,
then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
You asked "Question: In the verse above - Revelation 1:v.20- the 7 CHURCHES are 7 candlesticks; and the TWO CANDLESTICKS of the current time as is written in Revelation 11:v.4?" and then this: "That said, which are the two CHURCHES -two CANDLESTICKS- of this current time of Apocalypse?"
This is not a proper question, but I can deduct what you are asking.
If you research the origin of the two candlesticks ad two olive trees, you will find out that they are symbolic of both houses of Israel standing before God. These are the two witnesses from Revelation 7, the 144K sealed that are virgins and follow the lamb wherever He goes. The group sealed for one thousand two hundred & sixty days in Revelation 12 are saints? They are regarded as the highest of saints, and scattered throughout in verses you've read many times over without making the connection. That's why you came here to learn
20 - The MYSTERY of the seven STARS which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden CANDLESTICKS. The seven STARS are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven CANDLESTICKS which thou sawest are the seven CHURCHES.
Now we are in the time of Apocalypse, i.e. in the end of the times.
Question: In the verse above - Revelation 1:v.20- the 7 CHURCHES are 7 candlesticks; and the TWO CANDLESTICKS of the current time as is written in Revelation 11:v.4?
Ephesians 3:v.8-10
8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the MYSTERY, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the CHURCH the manifold wisdom of God,
Colossians 1:v.24 says:
Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for His body's sake, which is the CHURCH:
That said, which are the two CHURCHES -two CANDLESTICKS- of this current time of Apocalypse?
Yes, there is a lot to think about here. The more I know about the millennium, the more I know I don't know about the millennium. It begins a new age and the story isn't understood using common sense. For instance, the saints in the millennium were resurrected, born again, of Spirit, Christ-like beings, so why all the fighting? The plausible answer is they are now fighting the spirit world, and the devil has no place among the incorruptible, and is extinguished forever. I think God made the hereafter descriptions vague because he wanted us to focus on the prophets and the Gospels.
I have trouble with a rapture theory where the church (Christians) worldwide is removed through divine intervention, before the great tribulation, and presumably resurrected. Jesus said you will find the "taken" where the vultures circle over, so they are dead bodies.
-Rapture is not in the lexicon, it's not established doctrine, and if it were established, there would be many detailed accounts of these events. There are none such accounts, only conjecture. I wouldn't call it standing on solid ground.
-( Revelation 6:10-11) The OT saints are asking how long till judgment, and are told to wait till after the sealed saints die, at the seventh trumpet ( Revelation 11:12). This is the first resurrection of the great tribulation saints.
-( 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18) is the one of the most manipulated scriptures assisting rapturists, but this occurs at the last trumpet ( Revelation 11:12).
-As the one hundred forty four thousand sealed of the Christian elite are being sealed, billions of living Christians are raptured to heaven so they won't suffer their appointed death? What is the point?
-Why are living Christians counted among the firstfruits, and not the billions who died in Christ?
-The first resurrection is only the one hundred forty four thousand saints.
-The second resurrection is for everyone else.
I am proud of you. You are sharpening your skills rather well, knowing what happens in line. It's as good an answer given the glimpses we squint at.
The 1000 Year Kingdom will be on the earth, not in heaven, ( Revelation 11:15) It will be a time when Lord Jesus and those chosen to rule the nations with an iron rod ( Revelation 5:10). We know from ( Revelation 20:7-10), nations after the 1000 years.
The thousand-year reign of Jesus, will be after the great tribulation of Satan, the beast and the false prophet. The second coming of Jesus with the army of angels, ( Matthew 24: 29-31) ( Mark 13: 24-27) the first resurrected saints that meet Jesus in the air, ( 1 Thessalonians 4:17) Jesus' feet land on Mount of Olives ( Zechariah 14:4)
The beast and the false prophet are cast into the lake of fire and the ten king's armies of the beast that came up on Jerusalem to battle are destroyed. ( Revelation 19:11-21) and Satan is chained and put in the bottomless pit.
Then the judgment seat of Christ for those that have been chosen to reign with Him in this Millennium Kingdom. ( Revelation 20: 4-6) People will live and die during this time. and when it is over, Satan will be released and bring an army for one last battle and fire comes down and Satan is cast in the lake of fire. ( Revelation 20:7-10)
White Throne Judgment of the rest of the dead. The goats and the sheep, "some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt", "they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation" Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. And then ( Revelation 21) The marriage and the marriage supper. Jesus said at the last supper ( Matthew 26:29) ( Mark 14:25) ( Luke 22:18) when it is new.
The purpose of the thousand-year reign is to put this world in order and allow for the fulfillment of several promises God made with Israel, David and others.
This is a brief view of what I see from my study, I am sure some, maybe you, will disagree and that's ok, may it cause study.
RLW
You say, What's soon coming of age is the 4th beast of Daniel to devour us.
The first kingdom described in Daniel was the Babylonian kingdom, the second was the kingdom of the Medes and Persians and the third was the kingdom of Alexander the Great (Greek).
The FORTH kingdom is the KINGDOM OF GOD; which begin at the preaching of John the Baptist.
You say, God's judgements on this world starts with the abomination of desolation, the falling away.
This began also with the preaching of John the Baptist. Death and the grave (power of Satan) were to be conquered and immortality would be available.
You say, The devil runs free 42 ticks.
The devil had possession of all the kingdoms of the world beginning with Adam and Eve; but NOW when John came preaching the kingdom of God, he was given only 42 more months (Christ ministery on earth) UNTIL he would LOSE HIS KINGDOMS. When Christ was resurrected, the kingdoms of this world became the KINGDOMS OF GOD. CHRIST IN YOU; Satan cast out.
Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there was a great voice in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
You say, The temple antichrist builds is the same temple Jesus Messiah will use upon his return.
You are looking for what CAN BE seen; Christ is WORKING in WHAT CANNOT be seen.
The antichrist has occupied God's temple since you were born; Christ has come THE SECOND TIME in the form of SPIRIT (can't be seen) and is casting anti (Flesh opposes Spirit) Christ out; NOW only CHRIST IN YOU exist in HIS TEMPLE (you are the temple of God).
Let us CREATE man in our IMAGE.
Nothing left to oppose God. ANTI has been destroyed.
This is the GOOD news of the Gospel of the kingdom of heaven; CHRIST IN YOU.
Psalms 82:6 I (God) have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are CHILDREN of the MOST HIGH.
The interpretation of the 7 years, last week placed at the end times was what I was discussing. Where after the first 3.5 years of peace the antichrist does the abomination of desolation and causes sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and the great tribulation starts, taken from ( Daniel 9:27). Also used is, ( Matthew 24:15) and ( Mark 13:14) which combines (2 Thessalonian 2:4) as being in the middle of this 7-year interpretation using these Bible verses, which I feel is deceptive. That is what I meant, the abomination of desolation in this theory does not have anything to do with Revelation.
Babylon/Babel will be destroyed by the ten kingdoms/countries that hate the whore, who have never had power until the beast from the bottomless pit, gives them power as kings one hour with this beast. We do see in Rev. 11 the beast kills the two witnesses and that city is where our Lord was crucified and we know where that was. ( Revelation 11:8)
The destruction of this whore Babylon/Babel where ever it will be, will be destroyed close to the second coming of Jesus Christ. After it is destroyed it becomes the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird (fallen angels, and demon haven) "What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?" at this time their time is up and into the lake they go. ( Revelation 19:11-21) "the supper of the great God"
If you believe in the rapture of the Church and this seven-year interpretation and all that is taught in it we may not agree. We need just to encourage each other in our faith in Jesus and our walk in the Spirit of truth.
RLW
I have a few things for you:
1) The "last week" prophesy is split between a span of 2,000 years.
It's not 7 consecutive years, but 2 prophetic, 3.5 year segments, drawing on each other.
This is the Order:
-Jesus Christ received the first half of the week during his ministry (3.5 years), THEN,
-At the sixth trumpet antichrist receives the second half of the week (3.5 years) = 7 years total.
-At the seventh trumpet Jesus returns to rule the earth for 1,000 years.
2) ( 1 Thessalonians 17) "Being snatched away" and other like scriptures is only about the 144K, they are the only ones standing with Christ on Mount Olives ( Revelation 14:4), they are the only ones standing in front of the throne after being resurrected ( Revelation 11:11). The 144K are practically treated like Christ, because they are the bride.
( Revelation 20:4-5)
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Do you see how the 144K came out of the great tribulation (saints), and the rest of the dead slept (us)? The first resurrection is solely for the first fruits, who are with Christ for 1,000 years.
3) The 144K are not Jews, they are Christians of 12 tribes; even the 3 tribes of Judah are Christians worshiping Christ. The 144K are referred to as The house of Israel (Christians), not house of Judah.
The end-time scriptures uncover the mystery of the end, tied in to the OT prophets. The Bible reveals hidden secrets, they're there for the taking. Let me know of any end-time event questions you have, I will be here to help.
Matthew 24:13
He that keeps the faith to the end, will be saved means just that. At Revelation 11:15 and 1 Thessalonians 4:17 it happens. Whether you are a firstfruit, or part of the 2nd resurrection, you endured and will be rewarded.
Blessings, and make the most of the time left.
Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endue to the END (times), the same shall be saved.
You say the subject is end times and tribulation.
Did the people 1900 years ago have to consider this verse also. Did they died without Christ; not making it to the end times and tribulation. Whats going to happen to you if you die before the tribulation and the end times come. I don't think you understand End TIME and TRIBULATION.
Revelation 22:10 Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for THE TIME IS AT HAND.
I COME QUICKLY
Revelation 3:11
Revelation 22:7
Revelation 22:12
Revelation 22:20
Revelation 2:16
Revelation 11:14
Revelation 2:5
It has been 2000 year since these words were written; is that QUICKLY, perhaps with more study and more REVELATION, TRUTH would be more clear.
Hebrews 9:28
Colossians 3:4
He APPEARS to us now in TRUTH of HIS WORD (written and living, Holy Spirit). At the death of this body of flesh (end time) he shall APPEAR to us to FACE to FACE.
1 John 3:2
Ephesians 4:13
Ephesians 1:10
Isaiah 27:12 ....and ye shall be gathered ONE BY ONE...
Sir, what is this rapture you mention? "getting HIS children ready for the rapture."
Are you speaking about this: "Come up hither"? Revelation 11:12-13
Peace & wellness
What is your perception of what will happen in the world between now and Revelation 11:15? If you think space aliens are coming, say so. A few sentences will do.
God bless.
This scripture is referring to the peoples and specifically the leadership of Mystery Babylon before the're mortally attacked. So, before the day of the Lord, when God allows the attack, the elect 144K church are sealed from death for 42 months, then, at the end of their testimony the same elect are resurrected up, Revelation 11:7-11. That's the totality of the firstfruit resurrection ( Revelation 14:4) hand picked by God himself. All the elect don't die with so many spread out. No one is raptured (not Bible doctrine) or resurrected, or given divine treatment until the last trumpet.
What is so bad about being part of the 2nd resurrection?
I AGREE AND BELIEVE everything Jesse said in his comment to you. I will expand MY BELIEF a little more.
I BELIEVE that Christ; with the elect, are and will judge the world (Satan's kingdom that Christ took back at HIS resurrection). ( Matthew 4:8-9) ( Revelation 11:15) ( 1 Corinthians 6:2) ( 1 Peter 4:17)
I BELIEVE the parable of the workers; those called to work in God's vineyard, are the elect. Those called in the first hour are the apostles and others that took part in Pentecost. Since that first hour other workers have been called; till the present hour. Ourselves now being judged by the word of God; by our brothers before us, they being ONE IN CHRIST; have also become THE WORD, the BOOKS. ( Revelation 20:12) ( Revelation 20:4)
Matthew 19:28
Romans 11:31-32
Romans 8:19 For the earnest EXPECTATION of the creature WAITETH for the MANIFESTATION of the Son of God.
Romans 8:21 Because the creature ITSELF ALSO shall be DELIVERED from the bondage of corruption unto the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Revelation 10:10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.
Revelation 10:11 And he said unto me. thou must PROPHECY AGAIN before many peoples, and nations,and tongues,and kings.
I BELIEVE at the departure of this body we will be given THE FULLNESS OF GOD; which also will be HIS BODY, OMNIPRESENT able to judge others as he now judges us.
( Revelation 9:1-11) fifth trumpet.
9-11-2001 to 9-11-2021
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( Isaiah 33:1) Woe to thee that spoilest, and thou wast not spoiled; and dealest treacherously, and they dealt not treacherously with thee! when thou shalt cease to spoil, thou shalt be spoiled; and when thou shalt make an end to deal treacherously, they shall deal treacherously with thee. (sixth trumpet warning)
The sixth seal:
( Revelation 6:12-14) unfolds like a rolled up scroll. The two separate sixth seal events start with Revelation 6:13, then vs 14's "scroll", then to vs 12's earthquake, which triggers the day of the Lord. Logic stands that vs 14 must happen before vs 12, being that vs 12 signifies the iconic sixth trumpet, "the day of the Lord" battle. vs 17 verifies it. The sixth seal earthquake ushers in the sixth trumpet.
( Revelation 6:13) And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. (vs 14) And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. (vs 12) And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; (vs 17) For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
( Revelation 11:13-14) And in that hour there was a great earthquake ( Revelation 6:12), and a tenth of the city collapsed.... vs 14 The second woe is past....
vs 13's great earthquake begins the second woe. Also, verses 13 & 14 are 3.5 years apart.
Ezekiel 38:18-23
The Lord Jesus Christ standing on Mount Olive:
The seventh trumpet sounds:
( Revelation 16:15) Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. [Jesus comes as a thief at both sixth & seventh trumpets]
vs 18 And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face
vs 19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;
( Revelation 11:15) And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. ( Revelation 16:17) ( John 19:30)
( Ezekiel 37:1-14) Resurrection: ...vs 10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army. vs 11 ...these bones are the whole house of Israel. vs 14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live,..
( Matthew 24:30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
( Revelation 1:7)
( Revelation 19:11-16)
( Revelation 19:19-20)
vs 20 ...Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. ( Zechariah 14:1-4) ....Then shall the LORD go forth...And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives...
( Zechariah 14:12)
God removes the 'northern army':
( Joel 2:20-21)
( Daniel 11:40)
( Jeremiah 6:22-23)
( Jeremiah 50:3)
( Jeremiah 50:41)
vs 23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD.
The 144,000 out of great tribulation are judged ( Revelation 20:4) and made whole. These are the elect only, no others. Resurrection scriptures were tailored for the elect, of the great tribulation, who rise first.
The resurrection accounts of the 144,000 are on record, and their numbers add up: "10,000 x 10,000 = 100,000 + thousands and thousands" is another way of saying 144,000. ( Revelation 7:9 [that's them]) ...a great multitude...in white robes...out of the great tribulation. ( Revelation 11:12)
( Revelation 5:11) And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands.
( Revelation 7:13-14) And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes (fifth seal brethren) and whence came they?....they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes...
It makes sense for the 144,000 to rule the world with Christ for the 1,000 years. Then bring up the balance for the new heaven and new earth.
For resurrection perspective, the current world population is 7.8 billion people.
Conservatively speaking, 25 billion Christians have lived since the first century AD.
If these 25 billion dead in Christ are resurrected at the last trumpet, where will they go?
25 billion (physically) are not sustainable, suggesting that the first fruits are a small body of the core church. Many will remain asleep.
THE SECOND RESURRECTION: God's balance of 108 billion souls will come to the table. ( Ecclesiastes 12:7) The new earth & new heaven will accommodate all.
YES I do believe that in the ages to come ALL WILL BE IN CHRIST.
1 Corinthians 15:28 And when ALL THINGS shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject to him who put ALL THINGS under him, THAT GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL.
A good portion of the scriptures is prophecy; as is:
Psalms 22:26 The meek shall eat (my flesh and drink my blood; which is the word of God) and be satisfied: they shall praise the Lord that seek(s) him (we praise him because he seeks us; we don't seek him), your heart shall live forever (eternal life being resurrected with him; Revelation 20:5-6).
Psalms 22:27 ALL the ENDS OF THE WORLD SHALL REMEMBER AND TURN UNTO THE LORD: and ALL the kindreds of the nations SHALL WORSHIP BEFORE THEE.
Psalms 22:28 For the kingdom is the LORD'S (accomplished at his death and resurrection; Revelation 11:15,): and he is the governor among the nations.
Psalms 22:29 And they (firstborn, children of HIS resurrection) that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they (the ones not raised with him at HIS resurrection) that go down to the dust (awaiting the second resurrection) SHALL BOW BEFORE HIM: and NONE can keep alive his own soul.
Psalms 22:30 A seed (firstborn) shall serve him; it (seed or the firstborn) shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation (the age of the firstborn or the age of the church).
Psalms 22:31 They (Firstborn, Elect, Saints) shall come (in the next ages), and shall declare HIS righteousness unto a people (those raised in the second resurrection) THAT SHALL BE BORN, that HE hath done this.
The shadow in the old testament is the feast of weeks (feast of firstfruits) and the feast of the ingathering (final harvest).
At the resurrection, we know about those dead in Christ, and about those who make it to the end, everyone is lifted up at the same time. I like the details of the saints below, do you know them?
-Like these:
Revelation 6:9-11 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
-Who are their "fellow servants" also their brethren that were killed like they were?
These:
Revelation 11:7-12 .........(12)"And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
The 144,000 are the two candlesticks and the 2 olive trees that stand before God. They finished their testimony and are killed. They ascended to heaven in a cloud at the 7th trumpet to join Christ.
These witnesses are also depicted in allegory as the woman in Chapter 12 that hides in the wilderness from the dragon. The woman has God's protection, exactly like the 2 witnesses/144,000. They are one in the same. vs 6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
That is a very good catch, Debra. Advanced thinking. Way to put the clews together.
The 144,00 sealed in Revelation 7 are the same two witnesses from Revelation 11. The two witnesses are from the house from Israel & the house of Judah: 12 tribes. Now, Revelation 11:3 says "And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."
I hope that makes enough sense to you to form your own conclusions.