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Is Jesus Michael the archangel? I have heard this from the Jehovah's Witnesses. Some say the angel of the LORD were manifestations of Jesus before His incarnation, but Jesus is not an angel.
Michael is the only angel specifically called an archangel, Jude 1:9. Michael is the chief prince who stands up for Israel, Daniel 10:13,21 Daniel 12:1. We see that Michael and his angels battle the dragon/Satan and his angels and cast them down to earth out of heaven with no place found for them anymore in heaven for them, Revelation 12:7-8.
We see in 1 Thessalonians 4:15 that when Jesus returns it will be announced by a shout, by the voice of the archangel, I understand that as Michael.
Jesus is the Son of God, our Lord who gave his life and shed His blood for us. Jesus's name is above all, Ephesians 1:21 including Michael. At the burning bush, it was the angel of the LORD, it does not say what angel it was.
Heb. 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
My understanding Jesus is not any kind of angel, Michael was probably the angel of the LORD we see in the OT because Michael is the chief prince of Israel and Michael will announce Jesus's second coming.
God bless,
RLW
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the Beast (unto the Beast of sea who was established by the dragon in Rome), and they worshipped the Beast (of sea), saying, Who is like unto the Beast? who is able to make war with him? ----> Michael is.
5 And there was given unto him(unto the Beast of sea that the dragon established it in Rome) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies;
and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. (the court will be given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months- Revelation 11:2- . JESUS warned: Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled- Luke 21:24)- Get ready
6 And he -the Beast of Rome - opened(will open) his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. (the dragon will give to the Beast of Rome his power, and his seat-in JERUSALEM-, and great authority- Revelation 13:2.
Revelation 12:9-12
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth(Israel-the clay, the dry land) and of the sea!(the Gentile nations) for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Get ready
-while disobeying HIS word then we became ineffective Christians who cannot even say boo to a demon.
Yes, Such People and ministries exist
-There are Men of God who are actually Led by the Spirit of God and are called according to the Gifts given to men by our Lord Jesus Christ, but instead of putting a show they fear God and walk with Him.
They that believe in Him, and they that are committed to His do Him will Revelation 12:11, KJV.
But what we are witnessing is.
-Men have departed from God and the church is a business and entertaining industries.
-Men don't pray earnestly before God and if they pray it's a shopping request rather than worship before God.
-No one is taking head according to the word of God and repentance has become optional this days where people have forgeten that God does not hear sinners ( John 9:31, KJV) and our sins separates us from our God (Isiah 59:2,KJV)
-Lets us pick our Bibles and wipe the dust off from them and lets us be given to God in prays and fasting seeking to fellowship with Him always while continuing in the word of GOD grounded in faith Amen.
-Remember faith without works is dead!
Lastly repent of your sin and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ
Amen.
Why do you assume the beast in Revelation is satan or the anti-christ?
Daniel 7:23 ...the FORTH beast shall be the FORTH KINGDOM on earth ....
John the Baptist came preaching the KINGDOM of GOD; the FORTH kingdom on earth, the FORTH BEAST, the last kingdom on earth.
The Kingdom of God has been on earth now for about 2000 years; CHRIST IN THE FLESH, IN YOU, his BODY, causing man TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.
Ezekiel 36:27 I WILL put MY SPIRIT IN YOU and CAUSE YOU to walk in my statutes and TO KEEP my judgements and DO THEM
Revelation 6:7 And when HE (the lamb of God) had opened the forth seal, I heard the voice of the FORTH BEAST (the lamb of God, the kingdom of God) SAY, come and see
Revelation 6:8 And I looked, and behold, a pale horse, and his name that sat on him WAS DEATH, and the grave followed after him, and POWER WAS GIVEN TO THEM (the image of the BEAST, the kingdom of GOD) over the forth part of the earth, to KILL with the SWORD (the word of God), and with HUNGER (no bread of life), and with DEATH, and with the BEAST of the EARTH (those that carry the mark of the BEAST: the kingdom of God.
Revelation 12:16 And the earth HELPED the WOMAN, and the earth OPENED her MOUTH (DEATH and the grave), and swallowed up the FLOOD (people, tongues and nations) which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
Psalms 7:13 He hath also prepared for him the INSTRUMENTS of DEATH; he ORDAINED his ARROWS against the persecutors.
Jeremiah 51:29 THOU (those that carry the MARK) are my battle axe and WEAPONS of WAR (arrows, the word of GOD); for with THEE (the saints, the BODY of Christ, the IMAGE of the BEAST) WILL I break in pieces the NATIONS, and with THEE will I destroy kingdoms.
Revelation 2:27 ...to him that overcometh, WILL I give POWER over the NATIONS .....
God Bless You!
There is a clear designation of 3 sets of judgments of 7 individual items in the Tribulation (Seal; Trumpet and Bowl).
Christ Himself opens the 7 SEALS of the book (unnamed). It would austensively contain the trumpet and bowl judgments; with a mysterious scroll eaten by John in Rev. 10:10 similar to the one in Ezekiel 3:3. I will try to study that at some point but it does say it is a mystery in general. We would probably be correct in stating the "birth pangs" of the Tribulation are going on with these seal judgments ( Matt. 24:8 also interestingly shown in Psalm 48:6:7.)
The next group of judgments are generally setting the stage for Antichrist to rise by judging one third parts of the earth; and sea and sun as well as killing one third of men ( Rev. 8:7-9; 12: Rev. 9:15). This is likely highly symbolic of the one third of the heavenly host falling with Satan and probably cast to earth at the time of Revelation 12:4; cross reference Daniel 8:10). This would show the destruction of those in heavenly places; the invisible spritual realm that has affected the course of men since the dawn of man (see Isaiah 24:21-22).
The last section completes the destruction of earth below as seen in Isaiah 24:22). This shows the gleaning of the grape harvest as it were; drawing men in for the final battle by supernatural means as seen in Revelation 19 and also Psalm 2.
As I have mentioned before there is no prayers of the saints appearing as incense in heaven; therefore no tarrying in the inner court with intercession as seen in Revelation 15:8. These verses and the responses of the wicked as compared to the sixth seal show the descent from fear to rebellion which the mark of the Beast seals their fate. There is nothing but contempt toward God; therefore it serves as a warning as to how men will react once IN hell (no desire to serve or worship their Creator).
Compare this to the VICTORY of the saints.
You was saved from death 2000 years ago, when you were resurrected a NEW CREATION.
Christ (TRUTH) began revealing himself to you in 1979, this Revelation of "Christ in you" will continue until the angel ls sent to harvest HIS SEED.
Luke 20:36 Neither can they (YOU) DIE ANY MORE: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the CHILDREN of the RESURRECTION.
You are now in the birth pains of being born again.
Christ revealing who you are IN HIM.
1 Peter 1:23 Being BORN AGAIN ..... by the WORD(s) of GOD ...... TRUTH ......
Revelation 12:2 .... and she (YOU, Christ wife) being with child, travailing in birth, pained to be DELIVERED ......
1 Timothy 2:14 .... but the woman, being deceived (by a carnal mind) was in the TRANSGRESSION ....
1 Timothy 2:15 ..... she shall BE SAVED IN CHILDBEARING ...
Revelation 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron....
Philippians 2:5 Let this MIND be IN YOU, which was also in Christ Jesus
Philippians 2:6 Who being in the form (image) of God, thought it not robbery to equal to God.
1 Corinthians 2:16 ....we have the MIND of CHRIST ....
Romans 8:29 .... being predestinated (by the resurrection of Christ) to be conformed to his image .....
Revelation 2:26 And to him that overcometh (deception) and keepeth MY WORKS, to him will I give power over the nations .....
God bless you
Greetings in Christ JESUS
Yes, "every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: But this man(JESUS) after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
The sacrifice of JESUS has lasted around 730.000 days, and has prevented until now the appearance and manifestation of the man of sin, the son of perdition (an ex-cherub). "Who (will) opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God(will)sitteth in the temple of God(in the great city of Jerusalem where our Lord was crucified),shewing himself that he is God.Paul Apostle said:2 Thes.2:6-12:
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. (The time is from now on, in his time)
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let(but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way, that is the sacrifice of JESUS), until he be taken out of the way.(the sacrifice of JESUS will be take away)
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed(a false messiah, AN IMPOSTOR, John 5:43-47 and Revelation 12:11),whom the Lord shall consume with the Spirit of His mouth,and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the Truth(they received not JESUS), that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause GOD shall send them strong delusion,that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the Truth(they believed not in JESUS),but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Get ready,stay in Revelation 11:15-18
GOD bless
I am sorry I should have proofread that better. It should have been Revelation 2:27 Revelation 12:5 and Revelation 19:15, these are verses that show the man child the woman birthed is Jesus That He will reign and rule with a rod of iron.
God bless,
RLW
Should be Revelation 12:27 And chap. 19.
Sorry about that
Thanks for replying.
Jesus didn't come to end the law and make it desolate. He came to fulfill the law and perfect it.
He came to end the Leviticus priesthood where they presented sacrifices that pointed to him.
( Matthew 5:17-18.)
They rejected their king "Which was prophesied" They made their own "HOUSE" desolate. ( A people without a King to set on David's throne )
What the Prince that shall come does is totally different,
In Daniel 9:27 he confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate.
This is the same thing mentioned in Daniel 12:11, (The abomination that maketh desolate.)
This is what Jesus is saying in Matthew 24:15, ( This can't be at the end of Christ ministry because he said it this abomination would be at the end of the world.)
This 3.5 period is called the GREAT tribulation and it's prophesied towards Daniels "THY PEOPLE, ISRAEL.) Daniel 9:24.
You see this played out in Revelation 12:6.
Let's look at who confirms the covenant for 1 week.
Daniel 9:26-27 reads "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: AND THE PEOPLE OF THE PRINCE THAT SHALL COME shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
AND HE SHALL CONFIRM THE COVENANT WITH MANY FOR ONE WEEK: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease....
The Romans destroyed the Sanctuary, Jesus is not their prince.
Jesus didn't confirm this covenant and cause it to cease at his death.
Jesus death BEGINS a covenant!
The covenant in Daniel is a totally different covenant the Antichrist will confirm with Israel and cause the sacrifices to cease midway through the 70th week/Tribulations.
Revelation 13:15
2 Thessalonians 2:3-4.
God bless.
See pt2
"And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
The disciples asked Jesus 3 questions and he answered them in verse 15.
Verses 4-14 would be non signs of the end of the world. He says that in verse 6. "And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet."
And then he goes on with the beginning of these sorrows as mentioned in Matthew 24:8 until he gets to verses 14 and15.
Vs 14. "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Vs 15. "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by "DANIEL THE PROPHET, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
WHOSO READETH, LET HIM UNDERSTAND!!:
Jesus is diverting them back to Daniel 9:27 as the key to end time prophecy. The 70th week of Daniel.
"And he/Antichrist shall confirm the covenant with many FOR ONE WEEK: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,)
The Great tribulation begins in the middle of the 70th week with Jesus describing Daniels prophecy as the key and details this event in Matthew 24:16-21.
Daniel 12:9-11 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed TILL THE TIME OF THE END.
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the ABOMINATION THAT MAKETH DESOLATE set up, there shall be a (thousand two hundred and ninety days). 3.5 years!
Also see Revelation 12:14.
( time, and times, and half a time,)
Another way of saying 3.5 years!
The 70th week of Daniel is future.
God bless.
Greetings in Christ JESUS
Thank you for your reply.
See, it is very important to meditate on our last days of existence in this current system of the current world, not because we are going to die, quite the contrary, it is because we will live, we will be alive in these last seven years of the Devil's world, this last period of time of the current world are approaching, and the journey of all believers, prepared or no, for the last days and for the last spiritual sufferings of terrestrial life, it will be similar to the departure of the Hebrew people from Egypt, on the one hand, in the first moments of exit from Egypt, we will se GOD fighting/ battling against the Enemy through His plagues and severe punishments, there will be only and only severe chastiments, on the other hand, GOD protecting His people to escape the persecution and violence of the evil ones, so will the last seven years of this present world's existence. Indeed it will be wrath against wrath, the spiritual environment will be one of fierce spiritual warfare - Revelation 11:18. Take a look. It all starts now with GOD's declaration of WAR against the Devil's world; What statement? It's in Revelation 11:15KJV - "The kingdoms of THIS WORLD are become the Lord's and of His Christ (not yet, of course), and He will reign forever. For this cause, the NATIONS will be wrathed- Revelation 11:18, but GOD will wrath also, well, if GOD is for us, who can be against us?
By the way, Michael will be with us in the WAR on this last journey- Daniel 12:1-3 combined with 1 Thessalonians 4:16 and Revelation 12:7 to 13. Take a look.
GET READY
You know: The WAR shall be/is against three unclean spirits like frogs- Revelation 16:13-15. Why frogs?
GET READY
For example, we know that Satan was already with sin & banished from God's Presence right at the time of the creation of man & woman ( Genesis 3:14,15, where Satan had used an animal to tempt man to also become like him & his quest to be like God). And Ezekiel 28:12-15, of Satan who infected the King of Tyrus to also usurp the Throne of God (see also Isaiah 14:12-15, where Satan also used the Babylonian king). Yet, we read that Satan still had access to Heaven, whereas Revelation 12:7-9 tells us that only after the "war in Heaven", Satan & his angels lost the battle, & was cast down to the Earth for all time.
So, in my cautious understanding, Satan no longer has access into Heaven, though in some way he still manages to bring accusation before God against those who belong to Jesus. But Satan & his work were judged at the Cross ( John 12:31), and though his work continues to tempt & blind the hearts of men since then, he knows his time is short ( Revelation 12:12), that in a future day he will be confined in the abyss ( Revelation 20:2,3), & at the end of the Millennium period, be locked away forever in the Lake of Fire ( Revelation 20:10). This is how I try to piece it all together - though not without conjecture or error.
and they overcame him by the blood of the lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Good question: Why wd this woman keep the commandments when she has the testimony of Jesus.
First, the testimony of JESUS is the Spirit of prophecy. She is clothed with the Sun, the Greater Light , sent in the fourth Day or around 4000 years after Adam, that is JESUS. JESUS said:My Father worketh hitherto, and I work- John 5:17KJV. I and my Father are One- John 10:30. Under her feet the Lesser light, the Holy Spirit, also sent in the fourth Day, gives her sustention / sustenance, furthermore, the woman is already crowned under the doctrine of the twelve Apostles chosen by our Lord JESUS.
Yes, the dragon (the man of sin, son of perdition, the Beast of the earth- Revelation 13:11 combined with 2Thes. 2) was (will be) wroth/wrath with the woman, he will persecute the woman which brought forth the MAN child -the ancient of days - the Lesser Light - and to the woman is given two wings of a great eagle -the OT and the NT -, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished - nourished by the OT and NT, the commandments and testimony of JESUS -, for a time, and times, and half a time (42 months), from the face of the serpent- Revelation 12:14KJV.
And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. And the earth(earth here is the clay- Isaiah 64:8, the dry land) helped the woman(will be 144K???), and the earth(Jewish believers) opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon (a strong DELUSION that will be sent by GOD-2Thes.2:11-12 combined with Revelation 13:11-18) cast out of his mouth.
Let us get ready, it is midnight, the bridegroom comes; let us go out to meet Him, all of us need to arise and trimmed our lamps. But wait, only lamp is not enough to walk now, it's necessary / essential to have oil, otherwise, the lamp will go out, but at midnight? in full darkness and nocturnal terrors?
Be careful
1 John 2:27).
Be not Deceived ( 1 Cor. 6:9; 15:33; Gal. 6:7).
"Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent" ( Revelation 12:12-14).
So then to your earlier point: "(Also the wrath of God, and this time period of Satan having great wrath on the inhabiters of the earth are not the same time periods, Satan will persecute, even beheading Believers. God's wrath is poured out on all non-believers in Jesus Christ)."
When we look at the Matthew 24:21 reference you gave: "For then shall be great tribulation", this verse comes immediately after vv 15 onwards: the appearing of the abomination of desolation. When Israel sees the Anti-Christ, they ought to flee, for the Great Tribulation is upon them. I read that the Great Tribulation starts with the revelation of the Anti-Christ & his revelation can only occur when the Restrainer is removed. Is it God Who removes the Restrainer? I believe so, which means that God has now declared that He is done with this unbelieving world, taken His saints in the Rapture, with Satan now exercising his full control & rule through his puppet & all this will climax at Christ's Second Coming & the final battle. So when I read "the Great Tribulation", I read it as "the Great Tribulation of God's Wrath", not just more suffering to all.
Gailee Question: does the Bible say that there is Woman Angels?
You are MountHoreb replying to a comment by "Gailee":
Angels are Spirits ( John 4:24) in Heaven Jesus explains at Matthew 22:29,30.
if you read about a women in heaven like Revelation 12:1,2 This is symbolic or illustrating the point revelation 1:1.
However, Angels can materialize into a human. or turn themselves into human flesh. we have an
example of the bad Angels who forsook their assigned positions in heaven to have sex with the beautiful woman
on earth. they "took wives" for themselves. according to Genesis 6 these angels are called "Sons of God" because they were created in heaven. Although Angels are either male nor female. descending to earth, angels have this ability. again these are angels who went evil or bad. who went against Jehovah ( Psalm 83:18) like Satan the serpent! Matthew 4:1-11; Ephesians
A few examples of Good Angels who had a earthly assignment: Genesis 18 and 19 Chapters.
"Three Men" are materialized good angels. in verse 19 the angels in Sodom struck the mob of boys and old men
who wanted to have sex or lie down with them. so which means these mob of males saw these angels as Males.
There is no scripture that shows that that angels ever materialized into females. for the simple fact that Adam was created first as the Male. Eve was a helper to him, created so he will not be alone. Genesis 1:26; Genesis 2:18; Genesis 5:1,2; Ephesians 5:23; 1 Timothy 2:13,14. However, women on earth are valuable to God also: Acts 2:17
so the overall point here is, No there is no woman in heaven, nor men, nor children. for they are
all angels in heaven as JESUS SAID.
I HOPE These scriptures help. Thanks.
his motives was for man and woman to take care of the earth. to enjoy his
creation, to take care of the animals. to enjoy the richness that the earth provided.
he created the ground to give in abundance, so that poverty was impossible. God
started the earth in the garden of Eden. Jehovah and the heavens was his the main
authority to mankind according to Genesis 1,2. there were no kings, rulers in the beginning.
But this happened to mankind: Genesis 3; Genesis 6; Genesis 19; Job 1,2; Luke 4:1-13
it just getting worse and worse. 2Timothy 3:1-7
It's a heavenly war, and a invisible war ( Revelation 12:7-13) we humans may not understand but God has revealed it to us in human terms. although the innocent are dying because of 1 John 5:19. WE KEEP THE HOPE AS GOD WANTS US TO: Romans 15:4-6; Revelation 21:3-5
We continue in the hope. Job 14:14
IF YOU READ ALL THESE SCRIPTURES YOU WILL SEE WHY MANKIND ARE SUFFERING.
I HOPE THIS ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
I may be different, but in my understanding of the Bible, I approach scripture simply and do not try to complicate things with preconceived ideas and let the Bible and the Holy Spirit do the interpretation. To me, a symbol will have a non-symbolic meaning.
A symbol represents something real, a real person, a real thing, or a historical event. When I read, I understand words in a literal sense first, then in a figurative or spiritual sense if the literal doesn't make sense.
Are the Christians now the Israel of God? Have the promises to Israel and the church merged into one common heritage? If so that brings up.
Will the promise of the land given to Abraham's seed, Isaac then Jacob be fulfilled? Isaiah 11:11-12 Ezekiel 37:21-25 Jeremiah 24:5-6 Ezekiel 34:11-12 Ezekiel 36:24-26 Hosea 3:4-5 Micah 4:6-7 Zechariah 13:8-9
Will Jesus the Messiah return and reign on the earth, with a rod of iron? Isaiah 2:1-4 Isaiah 11:1-4 Daniel 2:44 Daniel 7:14 Zechariah 14:1-4 Jeremiah 3:17 Revelation 2:26-27 Revelation 11:15 Revelation 12:5 Revelation 19:11-21.
Will there be a literal millennium during which Satan will not deceive the nations and Christ will reign on earth? Revelation 20:1-6 2 Timothy 2:11-12 Isaiah 2:2-4 Isaiah 11:5-16 Isaiah 65:19-25 Isaiah 51:4-5 Zechariah 14:16-21 Micah 4:1-4 Psalms 46:7-11 Matthew 19:28.
To me there are too many scriptures that are showing God has not replaced Israel with the Church. We see in Romans 11:24-27 a day when God will again turn to Israel, the day Jesus returns. Forgive me if some of the scriptures do not fit.
God bless,
RLW
1000 years here = day 1
2000 years here = day 2
30 AD ? Don't quote me it's from my memory
2030 is the end of day #2
Sorry I cannot remember where this is in the Bible but Jerren Lewis had a video on this on
AoC network which is good for younger teens
(some visuals for their understanding )
The variety of each enhance each other.
What's sad is most Christian churches don't teach this, especially Revelation. My go to is Pastor Gary Hamrick if anything is questionable for the final word. (For me)
Thanks for your comments and there's never any offense taken, the main point is we all believe Jesus Christ is our Prince of Peace and He suffered on that cross for our sins
He has dozens of videos and that's a class he's teaching so I think it's just a misunderstanding
Perhaps he already mentioned things in his previous 11 chapters. He specifically mentions it's a lot to get into and this is only one chapter out of 22.
I didn't post this for anyone to get the entire story in one hour
He also stated clearly about signs and wonders stars, etc.
Go to 25:00 on Trump is. "Recognizing the capital of Israel" not being in Tel Aviv and moved the embassy.
Do you know how long the Armenian Genocide had not been recognized for? That's the point
The sign of recognition
The constellation on Sept 23, 2017 is just a sign or wonder whatever you want to call it just as the North Star was ahead of the birth of Jesus .
If he were to teach it all in one chapter he would omit ch1-11 and spend 12-24 hours teaching straight.
Please don't take offense but when I comment,
My intent is to share an interesting find and assuming we all have basic common sense
(sense of humor :)
I'm not a Bible scholar but I know who teaches directly from the Bible and who does not.
Nobody knows the day or the hour of Jesus' return but we were given the signs and seasons and if the scholars got the math correct (not one I listen to will give a date) just so you y'all know that I know better!
But.
I'll take a wild guess. From previous guidance
I'm watching Israel closely ;)
Quakes
Persecution of not only Jews but Christians
Demonic entertainment on the world stage
Lawlessness (the US is a disgrace)
Rebellion? Wow is there, globally
Global GENOCIDE
I'm a descendant of a survivor of the Armenian Genocide, that jab is Genocide
(I'm also a 25 yr retired medic, DHS, Nuke inspector, and more)
I can go on and on but I'll stop with this;
I'm watching for a 3rd Temple
Good Bless everyone here and hope to see you all up there (2030-2033) maybe.? Maybe not! lol
My understanding is, the woman in Revelation 12 is Israel, Genesis 37:9. The woman brought forth a man child who was to rule all nations, this is Jesus, Rev. 2:27 Rev. 19:15. Jesus will return to Israel, Zech. 14:4 Isaiah 11:11-12 Jeremiah 23:3-8 Ezekiel 37:21-25 Rev. 14:1.
Please do not take offense, Robert Breaker is interesting but like I said before some of the things do not line up. Like the Rabbi says 10 jubilees until the Messiah comes and that is calculated to the year 2017. How can that be a sign of what Trump did by moving our embassy to Jerusalem?
My understanding of what John saw in Revelation 12, was the woman, a dragon, and a war in heaven. The woman is Israel who brought forth Jesus, Jesus ascended back to heaven and is on the right side of the Father on the throne, this was almost 2000 years ago. The dragon is Satan, and the war that Satan and his angels are cast down out of heaven to earth and no more place in heaven for them, this is in our future, this will happen when the fulness of the Gentiles become in Romans 11:25.
So, if part of Revelation 12 is in our past, the way Breaker used the images in Rev. 12 to me does not fit. I hope this makes sense and is not offensive. You may have received good information from his video that helps your study.
God bless,
RLW
Open dialogue is awesome and my lamps are full!
I am so detail oriented that I have to watch and listen 3 times, with that said, I would have to go back again to answer each of your points.
He never gives dates, he speaks of signs, wonders and clearly states saying things like; could this be, is it a sign? idk, etc.
The woman referred to in the Bible depends on the context.
The view is best seen from Israel, because these signs are for Israel.
Jesus will return to Israel
I might ask if that's true? Clearly some things are written so easily to understand and others are not so easy but nothing as far as dates are etched in stone.
If I see a sign and put some other info together from Old Testament and New, it's left for me to decide whether it's coincidence or how many coincidences until I begin to see something more ?
Gary Hamrick also mentions this being Israel but I'd have to go back to search exactly where and I have no doubtswho I listen to as I pick out pretty much the best.
Breaker is simply demonstrating some possibilities for the open minded.
I don't need to do chemistry to prove Jesus existed because my faith is strong since a child, we were never taught all this perhaps because when I was young we are talking DOB in 1956. Ouchonly that if you doubt, what's true or not, you can research it.
I never have one source but the KJB is the root of my other sources.
I do remember clearly the September and December part and it was clearly stated a warning several months before.etc. so I don't have to look that up.
The understanding is for others not to take dates literally, listen carefully to details, he never stated that Sept 17 to be more than a possible sign.
He does move fast, that's why I stop the video and go back.
The weather on a certain day is recorded 10 years ago so it would only be time consuming but doable to find out.
I have no doubts he did his homework
Rapture Ready
I'll find it!
Thank you
I get lost online but time constraints are understandable. I'm retired but because I'm more busy now than I was when working, and don't want interruptions I watch from midnight on!
Robert Breaker videos are only one component
More for open minded and possible decrypting
Seeing charts, ideas , math , codes, signs, wonders, etc.
In college : 2 minds are better than one, 3 better than 2 and so on.
This is in my opinion only about people turning it off or walking away and not from this video but any teachings of the word.
They may be turning away because they are too busy with other things.
Would that be a falling away? Idk.
This is an add on in chart form, more detailed look at it from the "Keys & Codes" to understanding of the signs and wonders, nothing etched in stone all possibilities for the open minded to ponder.
AoC network, Jerren Lewis does the visual, great for my grandchildren's understanding and younger crowd, teens.
I started with Gary Hamrick Revelation_Series
I tend to stay with Gary Hamrick, Jack Hibbs, Dr David Jeremiah who has many brief analysis videos for time restricted and a few others I mentioned in a recent post.
AoC network Jerren Lewis makes awesome videos for the younger ones, my teen grandkids and also teaches how to interpret the lingo, Greek, Latin, etc.
I loved Breaker's videos because they are open to the decrypting of the signs, wonders, the math cosmic, again no exact dates they are estimated close enough for one to accept or brush off.
The choice of faith is ours to believe or not and when we believe and are let down, this is the test of our faith, IMHO.
I believe Jesus is coming around 2030 ish.
If he doesn't come, I'm not joining Satan's cult.
I may even be off by a 1000 years but according to His word and Bible prophecy, the signs are here, the Heifers are in, waiting for the trumpet to sound or perhaps a 3rd temple first, idk but my lamps are full