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Revelation 12 is what I call an outline of events of the past and things to come and I'll tell you verses 7 to 9 are yet to come. Satan kicked to earth and stands up in Jerusalem looking like a messiah with supernatural powers claiming he is God returned and the world goes wild in a fake peace and they party like in the days of Noah's time. Don't believe Satan and his deceptions.

HELL OR NO HELL

Amos 4:7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

Psalms 22:27 All the ends of the earth shall remember and turn to the Lord: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.

Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

Zachariah 14:7 But it shall be a day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening it shall be light.

Please pray for my marriage, to find a job a be successfull in my studies, to save my family from hell, may I be compassionate. May I hve prophetic or haling gifts. Help me to pray only in tongues !

Hi Chris, I'll try to clarify more as best as possible. Sin is the things you mention such as lying, stealing, murder. It also can be gossip and similar acts with evil intent. A very basic definition of sin is doing or not doing that which is against the will of God. Sin can be not doing what God says. Think of Jonah, God gave the order to witness to Nineveh, but he ran from the task.

Ex: An evil thought enters the mind. You decide what to do with it, to cast it out or harbor it in your heart. If you cast it out, it's over. Victory against temptation. If it goes into the heart to continue, there is where sin develops and one begins to act out on it. See 1 Co. 10:5 "Casting down imaginations" I can only resist temptation because of God's Spirit in my heart from sanctification. Ex. 2: Judas; things such as covetousness/love of money was a temptation, he harbored it in heart and acted by betrayal for 30 pcs silver. Luke 22:3 Satan entered Judas because he did not cast temptation out but rather dwelled on it and acted on it. We know the rest, he betrayed Jesus and later regretted it, then in despair hung himself. He was saved at one time, temptation took hold, he betrayed Jesus, and lost out.

James 1:12-15 "Blessed is the man that endureth temptation" Fact, all are tempted, but temptation does not become sin unless you let it linger in the heart. Temptation itself is not the sin but if it reaches the heart then it becomes sin.

Consider these too; Ep. 4:3-6 Only 1 God who teaches all the same, no confusion in 1; 1 Co. 14:33, 1 Co. 1:10 speak the same thing, not language but in belief.

I did not always know much about God. When I got saved, the Holy Spirit taught me truth and I then can read and understand the mysteries in the Bible. And to be clear, salvation and sanctification are 2 separate acts required to be fully saved from sin. Think OT tabernacle with 2 rooms, both with altars to apply blood sacrifice. Today Christ is the our sacrifice. If we believe and obey.

I want the Lord to give me a good job,wealth, good health,zeal to work in his vine yard, and let that good things which is said about me manifest speedly , I want every foundational curses broken in my life and I need a life partner that suits me,I want peace and joy to be returned to my family,I want healings for my mum and sister,I want Dad to be free from the boundage of the enemies,and let the Lord perfect that which concerns me,I want a job for my kid sister and dad in Jesus name.

One more thing. If you truly are a believer and believe in Jesus Christ with all your heart the you have nothing to worry about at all, nothing! What is going to happen to you is you take the best day that you have ever had in your life and times that by one million and that is what you are headed for when you leave this world and that is going to be a lot sooner than we know, this time on this earth is very very short! Lord Jesus please help all these people that are having so many bad things going on in there lives, they need you so bad Jesus. Amen

I am praying for everyone on this site that is having so many bad problems in there lives! I am praying for everyone at the same time because there are so many and it is so heart breaking. What problems are minor to us is major to someone else but most of these sound really serious. I pray for all these people every day and every night when I go to bed that our Lord Jesus will here there prayers and help them and he will and you never know when or what he will do but he will. Good luck to everyone and you are being thought about and prayed for every day. Thank you Lord Jesus for everything you have done for us and everything you still do for us. Amen

Hi J J,

Sorry to hear that you live in a bad place. God bless you and your family.

Kind Regards.

Claire

Heavenly Father,

Please protect J J, Like you protected Noah and his family during the flood, and please open the doors of heaven for J J, like you opened the Red sea for Moses.

Thank you father, In Jesus name I pray. Amen.

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b. even given that you are able to avoid such sins & remain sinless, the question arises: can a person who has no sin (therefore no sin nature) can, even in temptation's provocation, contemplate whether he chooses to sin or not? I'm certainly not in that position because I know when temptation comes, its appeal is to my sin nature & from there I make the decision with the Spirit's help & word to my heart. But if no sin nature exists (as was also with Jesus), then how can there be a choice to sin or not, as there's no evidential sin in you & nothing for that temptation to take hold of to cause sin?

For sin to take root there must of necessity be a 'fertile' ground for it to germinate - & in your case (as you say) you only have the new nature given by the Spirit (the old being done away with), & this new nature simply cannot be invaded by all manner of evil. So, as I see it, you don't really have a choice to sin or not - your nature doesn't allow you to have one.

Truly, a very difficult concept for me to grasp.

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Thanks again David for taking the time to answer me & sharing your testimony. That does answer my question except for my assumption from your earlier comments, that you are 'sin free & as such when temptation comes to you, sin cannot take hold'. However, you've clarified that part: "Temptation still exists, but the power of God gives me the ability to say no and not yield to it. However, if I'd ever decide to yield to temptation, I could if I chose to but at the cost of salvation".

So you've now raised a couple of questions in my mind. All of us who are born again & indwelt by the Spirit have the power to say "No" to sin's prodding at our heart's door, but in reality no one, so far whom I've met, has been able to testify that no sin has been able to get through to them. But you say that you remain sinless enjoying perpetual victory. So my questions:

a. an elementary question first off: is the type of sin that you refer to, the same as is generally understood? By this I mean, sin incorporates much more than what most regard as evil (viz. murder, theft, lying, adultery, etc.). The sins of worry, pride, selfishness, lack of (agape) love or forgiveness, anger, frustration, gossip, coveting, unhealthy thoughts, gluttony, hypocrisy, jealousy, egotistic, self-righteous, hidden sins of the mind, & many more are examples. Praise God if you are able to shun all such sins as well.

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

5For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

6For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

12Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

13For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glo

Hi Adam,

Firstly, Sorry for the late reply, I thought that I had already replied to you, but it doesn't seem to appear here for some reason, so I'm not sure if you received it. Thank you for your advice on me being baptised, and for all your words of encouragement and I will study the scriptures that you have suggested. I have been on this site many times since I started on my Christian walk, but only recently noticed the prayer request section a few days ago. Everyone on here has been so encouraging and helpful. I just wish that I would have noticed it sooner, as it could have saved me a lot anxiety.

God bless you & your family

Kind Regards

Claire

please keep me in your prayers

Hi Richard & Georgia,

Thank you for all your words of encouragement and your prayers. I will study the scriptures that you suggested and pray for guidance.

God bless you and family.

Kind Regards

Claire

Hi Steve,

Firstly, Sorry for the late reply, I didn't see your message in my emails for some reason. Just seen it now in the thread.

Thank you for your words of encouragement and all your blessings (From God). I will study the specific scriptures you suggested and also pray for God's guidance too.

God bless you and your family.

Kind Regards

Claire

Hi Earl,

Thank you for all your words of encouragement.

God bless you and your family.

Kind Regards

Claire

Peace,WE all need help! let's help and heal with love...GOD says

don't just live...LOVE. a fly lives.

Daniel,

This is referred to as backsliding. In this situation, assuming God is dealing with the individual, the person would need to repent of their sin and be saved again.

Hi Chris,

Let's see if this answers what you want to know. I used to sin. I had not believed much about God for some time back then actually. I did when I was very young, but in my teens I lost concern for what God thought. In my 20's I was already hooked on cigarettes and alcohol. There's others as well in the past, but let this suffice. I heard of the Church of God in Manassas, VA. It was mentioned to me by an Aunt that goes there. I went to a camp meeting there in July 1994 when I was 25 years old. During the evening service 7/4/1994, I went to the altar after that service, and I prayed a prayer of repentance with the pastor from my local congregation. I repented of my sins and was then saved from sin. Repentance delivered me from the sins of the past only. Later, when I understood it's meaning, I was sanctified. This took care of my carnal heart by asking God to remove the carnal nature and to be filled with His Spirit. By the way, I am not pentecostal, I do not speak in tongues to show I am saved or sanctified. A holy life should be evidence enough.

Temptation still exists, but the power of God gives me the ability to say no and not yield to it. However, if I'd ever decide to yield to temptation, I could if I chose to but at the cost of salvation. If I yield to any temptation, I will lose salvation and sanctification.

I don't know if this answers your question. But in all seriousness, salvation and sanctification are pretty simple to understand. If you do things God's way, it is simple. Again, I used to sin until salvation. Now I don't after salvation. Temptation does exist, but temptation alone is not sin. Yielding to it is sin.

Salvation alone takes care of sins from the flesh. Sanctification takes care of the heart. Both together make one where God designed us to be from the beginning, saved and sanctified eliminates sin committed and sin inherited.

Hope it makes sense because that is my testimony. I used to serve Satan as master. Now I serve God alone.

PLEASE help me with my anxiety depression and worries. Ireally need help and can't seem to make the right decisions in life. please help me understand God's word more and more each day. Let me walk in faith through every decision and thought that I make. Let me put all my trust in G od and never lose sight of him. Thank you for your prayers.

Please continue prayers for my grandma and grandpa. also for me . thank you and god bless

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If that is so, then it would mean that our views of Christ's Sacrifice are in conflict, rather than us being overwhelmed by your admission of being sinless. From the Scriptures, I understand that Jesus' Sacrifice was wholly a legal matter to meet the Father's Holy Demands. For if Christ had not come to give His Life, we would have no means to successfully hope for forgiveness & acceptance to God. Whereas I see the Cross as a judicial issue where God's Judgement against our sins were brought to bear upon Jesus, which you might view as also a providing a purifying, sanctifying, removal action of our sins past, present & future. And this I see as not a specific work of the Cross but the ongoing work of the Holy Spirit in those who've responded to the Cross.

But then again, I could be entirely wrong in your position & understanding, so I'll leave this option open without prejudice to you in any way.

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David. Others have also written in line with my understanding of the Scriptures & the realities of living in a sinful world in a body with two natures: one of the old nature & the other of the Spirit of God. To the old nature, Satan makes his appeal & we may stumble, may sin & we confess it, unlike to the new nature that is of God & cannot give into sin ( 1 John 3:9). To this existing old nature you disagree of course.

Would I then be correct in understanding that your view of the Blood of Christ & its eternal efficacy to keep you always clean (i.e. to be without sin), that at any intrusion of temptation & sin into your life, that Blood immediately cleanses you, keeping you spotless? Is this therefore what you are referring to: "that you are without sin" that even before a confession, the Blood of Christ has already taken effect, hence no need for any alarm or a confession? So, temptation can come to you, but at its birth as sin, you are cleansed & thus remaining sinless. Therefore, you would have nothing to do, as the Blood's efficacy is constantly at work in your life to keep you spotless. I'm sorry that I'm trying to dig deep here, since you have rebuffed others on other grounds, when we might not actually be coming to grips with your understanding of the Cross.

Hi Nathan,

I'm not sure of what you're asking, but if you want to link doubt to sin, they are not the same.

Flesh versus spirit: they are in fact different. Flesh is your body of bones and tissue. Spirit is the inner man. Both flesh and spirit must be in right standing with God.

See 2 Cor. 7:1 "Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God." No do not think that man can cleanse his sins, but his choices can lead to places where doing sin is more likely, or more temptation do sin is present. I do not go to a bar, as the alcohol drinking atmosphere is not a place one saved from drinking needs to be. I do not hang out at the smoker corner or the adult book store either.

I'm sorry you don't like me making judgement calls on others, but if they say they still sin, by the truth in the Bible, I can state they are not right with God. And really it's not me making that judgement decision, I read what the Bible says and apply what it says.

Others want to go back to 1 Jn. 1:8, saying I am false in saying I don't sin is showing where I am wrong. Actually I did sin at one time, but the time of salvation is where sin stopped.

See again 1 Jn. 3:8, 9

"He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."

Those that sin are of the devil and those that are saved from sin are of God. Salvation is not a coat to be put on when you want to be spiritual and taken off when you want to indulge in sin. Either you are saved or you are in sin. You cannot be both at the same time.

Like it or not, but those that commit sin upon death will be judged as sinners and are not going to Heaven.

Hi Bronson. I pray that our Father lead you to make decisions that will not be offensive to Him. I also pray that you will pray for understanding of His Word, to make a full study of His Word and begin to take action on those things that you believe to be true about His Word.

Hi Richard,

There is definitely still right and wrong. Right or wrong choices exist everywhere, as there is still good and bad. Sin still exists as does fruit, which can be either good or bad itself.

What may help is for example on the fruit aspect, one either produces good or bad, but not both at the same time. Salvation from sin produces a change in what fruit is produced, and in 2 Corinthians 5:17 "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." The old sinful man and his ways are passed away when you repent and are saved from sin.

This salvation I speak of, and along with sanctification that addresses inherited sin in the heart, together does bring man to the same spiritual standard that God made man from the beginning. We are made in God's image, this is the spiritual man. We only have this after we are free from sin via repentance, salvation, and sanctification.

Clarie, may the Spirit grace you with his understanding. The Spirit of truth is all you need to overcome. Quit saying I try, you will always fall. Put you trust in him, believe what he says, he never fails. Ezekiel 36:25-28 Then will I sprinkle clean water (Baptism of Spirit) upon you, and you shall be clean (believe): from all your filthiness, and from all you idols (works of you hands, like saying I try) will I cleanse you. (vs) 26 A new heart (mind, the way the Spirit thinks) also will I give you, and a new spirit (of truth) will I put within you: and I will take away the stony (hardened) heart (carnal mind) out of your flesh, and will give you a heart (mind) of flesh (truth, Spirit). (vs) 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and CAUSE (Spirit at work,not you saying, I try) you to walk in my statutes, and you shall keep my judgements, and do them. Jesus told his disciples that the Son Of Man came to be a servant, isn't it great that he does eveything for us and we can cease from our works and come into his rest. May the Spirit grace you with truth.

It appears you are being tossed to a fro by the doctrines of men (twisting Scripture), rather the doctrine of Christ. We would have to spend hours discussing and reading the Scriptures to straighten out some of what is concerning you. Not enough space. First, if you can speak out-loud that Jesus Christ is Lord! And, Jesus Christ is your Saviour! And, that you have Faith and Belief in Him. In His Death and Resurrection - then you are saved. I am paraphrasing Romans Chapter 10:9. Your walk is now with Him, and your perfection is in Him. You (and all the rest of use) have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. And, we will continue that battle for our entire earthly existence. It is Him who saves, and not a single good thing you do - saves you, as He has completed and finished it all. For His good pleasure. Take a deep breath and pray to God, Our Lord Jesus Christ, to guide you through these times in the wilderness. You are not lost, you are Saved, and just searching for a deeper truth in Him. Begin to read all of Paul's writings. Remember to read whom these letters are writing to: Romans, 1 and 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 and 2 Thessalonians, Philemon, Titus, 1 and 2 Timothy. As with all the Scripture it is written FOR us, but not all is written TO us. Some writings are specifically to Moses, the Israelites, and others in the Scripture. We can certainly learn from them about God, who He is, and how He works, but they are not TO us, they are FOR our edification. It is no different as an example. You have some nice folks, Rich and Georgia (May God Bless You Both), who replied to your post. Now, my post is written FOR everyone to read (and, Rich and Georgia might read this post and it is edifying to them), but it was written specifically to My Sister in Christ - Claire. Not enough space May God Love You and Bless You and Strengthen You throughout all of your days. Rightly divide the Word of Truth.

Claire, the Spirit grace you with his understanding, two verses you quoted go along way in understanding baptism. Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. If you are baptized into natural water you put on natural water. If you are baptized into living water, (which is Christ) you have put on life (which is Christ). I peter 1:23 Being born again not of corruptible (flesh) seed, but of incorruptible (Spirit) seed, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth (in you) for ever. When you spend you time in the written word the written word becomes the truth of life (Spirit). You are baptized into the Word, which is Christ.

Thank you for your reply, your advice, and your prayers Rebecca.

May God bless you and your family :)