Discuss Revelation 12 Page 67

Reminds me of Chinas Dragon king.

The woman is Gods persecuted/suffering 'wife'-the nation of Israel,as symbolized by the moon/pearl under her feet(see Rev 21:12-13,21a). The sun covering her is an emblem of Gods shekinah Glory protecting her through her time of tribulation. And the crown(stephenos)of twelve stars on her head represents the victory that the twelve tribes of Israel are to experience through struggle,opposition,and the almost relentless attack of the arch enemy of both God and man. Which is what this and the next few chapters go on to show. Also see Genesis 37:9,10 for the Sun-husband,Moon-wife,and Stars-children symbolism

I believe it's a scripture that the Lord God was talking to me about when I was up there with him in the third realm when I was a little child. T.C

@ Christo... Revelation 12:7-17
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

As I understand it our fight is not against the human race but those who are bearers of the Masters of the Dark.Let's build up 1000 fold for God where the devil use people to break down.

This verse shows why there is so much trouble and pain on the Earth. Satan being cast down to the earth and knowing he has a short period of time, he is bent on taking down as many people as possible with him. The saying of "misery loves company" is certainly true in thie case. Each day that goes by, the Devil gets angrier and angrier.

If there was a war, how was this war fought, with what kind of weapons? How many angels died or what were the casualties? Normally, somebody has to die in a war and everything is settled afterwards, but in this particular war the losers are cast down to earth.

this is a verse that dropped in my heart when I was in dire straits. I have accepted Christ. I see the blood accomplish great things for me the blood but I needed the other weapon in Revelation 12:11 "they overcame him through the blood and the word of their testimony". This experience involved may not be pleasant but it arms us for battle as aptly put in James so that we may know him vet the more because he knows us but we don't know Him. Two cannot walk that way; it must be reciprocal as Job found out: ..but know I have seen you with my own eyes and I repent in ashes!

Is this the first account of the Angry Dragon?

Hello, from Me, Athens Greece (not fm Patmos Island where John saw the Vision and wrote the Revelation).
My opinion of Chpater12...Hmmmm Give attention to Verse 7 "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels. And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

.10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

..."We all know that God is in the third Heaven and there is still war between Michael and satan. Rapture cannot take place unless all Heaven is cleared of satan and his demons. We believers cannot be raptured, until all the way to Heaven is clear. The war that John explains in verse 7 is clearly saying that. When all the sky is clear then the rapture will take place, and very soon too! See you all up there.

John gives a good account of what could come in the new heaven and earth. I want to be in hwaven with Jesus. I am glad Satan was kicked out of heaven before I get there.Glory to God!

We are overcomers, when we give our testimonies. Our words can help the long time Christians as well new borns. Also when we give our testimonies we are proving that we are not ashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

My respond to Robert Valentine's Revelation Chapter 12 comment about verse 6 on 9/07/2013, 10:24am: You asked the Lord Jesus to tell you whether you are alive or dead when the end time comes. The end has not yet come so I could say that the 1pm you've heard is not for the day when you woke up. Nevertheless, you are right to be thankful to God that you're still alive.

Hi, Greeting from the descendant Of Noah , I was told about Revelation 12: 6 when i ask My Lord Jesus Christ not long ago , " Lord Jesus , Please Tell me whether am I alive or dead when the end time come's .? " after this question after my Lunch at 12.30pm - 1pm i went for a nap . I heard a Powerful voice saying " ONE PM " i was shock and woke up and the voice 1pm was still in my mind and 1st did not know what was the one PM stand for . Then the little Voice came and ask me , What did you ask the Lord Jesus Before you nap.? at that moment i remembered ,so i quickly saw my watch it was 3pm , went i woke up , so i confirm that i will be alive ,as 1pm past and 3pm I'm still alive .and it lead me to Biblical Verses " I will make the sun set at noon in Israel " mention 12 times in the different books . after 3month from the 1PM voice . then came the next revelation which lead me to this chater12 :6 of Revelation . when I was driving the little voice(Holy Spirit) came and ask me to see the time at my car dash clock , i saw 1230 and I recall back to the Bible that I saw four numbers which Leads me to 1260 days . The little voice told me that There One PM . I was Shock and i can see it's 1260=1pm=Rapture/ending=3 1/2years = the half strength of God's Wrath instead of Seven Years full strength of God's Wrath to those who qualified to stay back as they do all the Dark Things . Dark = Heavy (Sin) , Light = Light very very easy to be Rapture to the Cloud (wilderness) woman = Mary = Church = Believer of Jesus Christ . Woman in Labor pain = the persecution of the church , Dragon = Satan = 666= same one faith = seven heads = seven kingdom , child = Jesus = Israel . And i saw many Vision Thank You and Repent now as He will come Like the Blink of an eye , that fast . No more Negotiation ... when the door is shut it's shut for good like many people i told them ,they say I'm crazy which bring me to Noah 's Ark Door shut which one man correct and the whole world wrong . Please forward to many humans as fast as possible .for the date I Know and work out to be Within 70 years . So I'm alive to see the End Time . Coincidentally We are celebrating 50 Independence day East Malaysia (Sarawak) and I'm born in 1963 which is the same of my age 50 years old this year . God said no one can live over 120 years old , so 120 deduct 50 = 70years if God give me to live until 120years old which i think i can't . conclusion = Within 70years Our Lord Jesus is coming to take us away . Where God prepared her a place save for 1260days after that He will appear / reveal to the world after 1260days=3 1/2years Wrath ,every knee will bow and every tongue confess that he is Lord . when that time we will all come back to earth and rule for 1000years then the Head of Dark side is release for a while and then Lock up for ever n ever Amen . Thank You Lord of Heavenly Armies for Sharing this Testimony .

many refer 2 d man-child as Jesus. Bt dis nt abt Jesus at all. I tink d r faithful believers as mention. For example only d Levite were on d side of Moses wen d committed *****dom n d judgement of God came upon dem. d represent faithful believers, d people dat wen 2 war wt Gideon represent faithful believers, d people dat came back after 70yrs of captivity represent faithful believers. D are part of d whole body of Christ. D are d people dat there right standing will displace d devil. D woman is type of d corporate body of Christ which few will b caught up 2 d throne which d devil is interesting on. like Jesus sed him d overcome I will give a throne in d book of revelation2 and 3(paraphrase pls). D woman is d same woman in Genesis, hence Adam is d type of Christ den Eve is d type of d Church, hence she came out from d man. D church also came out from Christ. Is same woman in Ephesian 5. Is also d same woman in Rev12. D woman in eternity past, d woman in d time of grace and woman in d eternity future. Thank u.

Revelation 12 reveal the devourers of our finances, health, breakthrough and amb***adorial imunity as believers. Thank you for openning my eyes to see this chapter. It shall be well with us.

I had trouble finding an explination for the third part of the stars of heaven, being cast into the earth.Finally out not down. Thanks for the understanding that you have given me.

Thanks and the God of all wisdom bless you.

The woman in this chapter is Israel which gave birth to the child, Jesus Christ and she is persecuted by Satan.

My insight about Revelation12:1; The body of Christ the church, (a woman clothed with the sun) as Christ Jesus leading the church reigning over them. The moon represent the devil under the Christ Jesus and church feet. Twelve stars are the twelve Apostle/Bishop also known as twelve trees for healing of the nation, which are over the Sheep of his pasture, to guide teach, and water the people of the church and body of Christ Jesus.

@okeyomilarry... Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Revelations 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time

This chapter is about the early Christians and their sacrifices, the deception that the Roman Catholic did in the past and in the present. This pertains to Martin Luther when he opened the bible to the world. But Christianity is once again in the wilderness. For how long? I don't know.

The third part of the stars are the fallen angels that the dragon that followed Satan or the devil, who in verses 3, 4 and 9; wanted to take the place of God and were cast out of heaven. The woman is the church ( Jeremiah 6:2-3:14, 2 Corinthians 11:2).

So true!

When I see evil that exists on this earth in what I observe men doing to other men, I can more clearly see what good is. How is it that I can distinguish what is good or evil? "In the beginning God, (Good) created." And everything God created, He said it was good. What went wrong with creation? Free Choice! We were created with free choice, to choose good or evil. Ezekiel 28:13-19, very quickly describes an angel, that was created perfect, better than good, and he chooses to worship me, myself, and I, setting up his own trinity. When you look away from God, (good), to serve yourself only, you turn into a devil. When you think your ideas are more perfect then your creators ideas, then you make yourself a God in your own mind. Yes it’s a mystery how something created so perfect, could come up with the idea that he could go his own way, and sustain his own existence. When you turn evil, you cause war, and that is what happened in heaven according to Revelation 12:7, and he drew 1/3 of the angelic host with him in Revelation 12:4. They were cast down to earth, where our home was, while it was perfect. God, through Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit created us, Genesis 1:26, and we were created perfect. We choose to not trust the ideas of our creator, and listen to the lies of the evil one, and we were then told to leave the Garden of Eden, which used to be heaven on earth, our first home. We now choose sides by our behavior, and how we love one another, which is good, which is Godly, which is what Christ came to do, by coming to earth at some point in time, living a life each day filled with the spirit and power of our creator to overcome evil with Good. I can do all things through Christ which strengthens me, Philippians 4:13.

The woman of Revelation 12 is a real woman.

Was the 3rd part of the stars in heaven cast down to the earth when Jesus was born? To my knowledge, no, that did not happen. The dragon did not stand in the manger and devour Jesus at his birth. "And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” This verse proves that chapter 12 is written for Christians not Israel. Jews do not acknowledge the testimony of Jesus Christ. Revelation is a sealed book pertaining only to the events of World War 3. No one in the past could understand its meaning because knowledge of current events is necessary to know what is being revealed. I believe the woman is Christianity that is persecuted and condemned during WW3 and wants to give birth to a "child" that means Christian freedom to worship God. Verse 3 is describing a War battlefront, the Middle East war. "And they loved not their lives unto the death" describes brave men and women that fight to defend the Christian religion. "The 3rd part of the stars in heaven" ... stars are symbolic for missiles. The rod of iron is a nuclear missile that defeats the enemy of Christ and frees the world to be able to worship God once again.

Could the third part of the stars of heaven refer to some advanced technology which the devil will make available to men of science so as to further lead man away from GOD and the truth?

The light I feel God is speaking of is the separation from the light and darkness. I think of this light spoken of is goodness and badness. Like in the scriptures as you read verses you will notice that solar children are separated from the lunatics or children of darkness. A lot happens in these first few verses of the word of God. Isaiah 45:18 is the first verse. Then a war happened because of Ezekiel 28 and what Satan as the prince of Tyrus and Revelation 12:4 and we know who the stars are by reading Job 38:7 and Proverbs 8:31. So, in these first few verses Satan tried attempted overthrow and had stolen a third of God's children and God got mad and the destruction is in Jeremiah 4:22-27. Then God separated the light from the darkness so I think He separating good from evil. Then He begins to re-new the earth as it was and we were replenished in the flesh to see if we can be good enough to make it home. Judgment is in our hands, you could say because what you do on earth this time is how your ending will be. Thank God for the LORD Jesus Christ and through Him we can be forgiven. Them that don't think Jesus is who the Word says He is, well, I feel sorry for them because He is the only WAY.

First of all when GOD talks about heaven, it means the outer space above the earth. This space is inhabited by unclean spirits. Job 25:5; Ephesians2:2. GOD has set a time in which He will cleanse the whole heaven by shaking it ( Isaiah 34:4; Revelation 6:12-13). The shaking of the heaven (pictured as a fig tree being violently shaken) is the coming war in heaven which will be fought by Archangel Michael and his angels against the devil and his angels, Revelation 12:7. The devil and his angels will lose this war and their heavenly places will be taken over by the angels. All these unclean spirits together with the devil will be cast down to the earth (and the stars of heaven fall to the earth), Revelation 12:9-13. This is the beginning of the great tribulation the earth and it will last 1260 days. Immediately after the tribulation the LORD Jesus shall return to the earth to finish off the devil and all his demons and remove all things that offend from the earth, Matthew 24:29-30 ; 13:40-43; Revelation 19:11-21. The Writer of Hebrews 12:26-27 described the shaking of the heavens and the earth as the way for GOD to remove the sinful and the unclean from both the heavens and the earth. That which cannot be shaken are the righteous and the holy, and these shall abide forever.

The lord is my shepherd I shall not want, even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I fear no evil for he‘s with me, my rod and staff, he further comforts me also prepares the table before me in the presence of the people of beast/dragon, he made me walk through the still waters for his name sake. Goodness and mercies shall follow us all The days of our lives (believers) then we shall dwell in his paradise ordained of DIAMONDS. In Jesus name, AMEN.