Discuss Revelation 13

  • Oseas - 8 months ago
    Comment on Daniel 9:26-27 for meditation:

    26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off (crucified), but not for Himself: and the people of the prince that shall come (the esoteric and kabbalistic false messiah- John 5:43-47 combined with Revelation 13:11) shall DESTROY the CITY (Jerusalem) and the SANCTUARY-> Revelation 13:2->the dragon, the esoteric false messiah of Judaism- Revelation 13:11 gave(will give) him (will give to the Beast of sea-ruler of Catholicism) his Power, and his Throne, and great Authority.; and the END thereof shall be with a flood( Luke 21:24; Revelation 11:2; Revelation 12:15?), and unto the END of the WAR ( Revelation 16:13-15) desolations are determined.

    27 And he (the profane prince of Israel that shall come- Ezekiel 21:25, John 5:43-47; 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4; Revelation 13:11) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week(covenant with the whole religious structures of the RCC-Judaism and Catholicism- Revelation 13:2): and in the midst of the week( Revelation 13:5) he- the profane wicked prince of Israel, the false messiah- shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease ( 2Thessalonians 2:6-9), and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation ( Revelation 16:13-15), and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

    GOD bless and get ready
  • Oseas - In Reply - 8 months ago
    Rainwalker

    GOD gave the Revelation unto JESUS,to shew unto His servants,and JESUS revealed unto us by His angel,in fact an archangel, one like unto the Son of man,and also through John,the Apostle,who write the book.

    Revelation 13:11-And I beheld ANOTHER Beast coming up out of the earth;and he had two horns like a lamb,and he spake as a dragon.

    Rainwalker, remember:

    The dragon, the Beast that will manifest himself in this current time,he is the Beast of the earth.Who is the dragon? He is the old serpent, called the Devil,and Satan,which deceives the whole world,in other words,as JESUS said,he is the father of the Jews- John 8:44.

    By the way, I must say that this MAN Beast of the earth already was born decades ago, understand?What withholdes his manifestation is the validity of sacrifice of our Lord on the cross,the blood of JESUS,that he might be revealed only in his time.It will be soon.

    The sacrifice and the oblation will cease,the abomination of desolation will stand in the holy place,and the overspreading of abominations shall make it desolate until the consummation.

    He will manifest himself not as Devil or Satan,the prince of the darkness,but like a lamb,a false lamb,a false Messiah,of course. Furthermore,he has two horns, symbol of two kingdoms-Israel and Judah.

    2 Thes.2:7-12

    7The mystery of iniquity doth already work:only he who now lets will let, until he be taken out of the way.

    8And then shall that Wicked be revealed,whom the Lord shall consume with the Spirit of his mouth(His Word),and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming:

    9Even him,whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

    10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish;because they received not the love of the truth,that they might be saved.

    11And for this cause GOD shall send them strong DELUSION,that they should believe a lie:

    12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth,but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
  • Oseas - 8 months ago
    On May 17, 2021 I posted in another site that South America is ONE of the 7 heads of the Beast of sea,and is wounded to death, much strongly Brazil.

    Re.13:11: I beheld ANOTHER Beast coming up out of the earth; HE has two horns like a lamb,and speaks as a dragon.

    So,in near future ANOTHER Beast will rise up of the earth(earth here is Israel,the clay,the dry land),and the first Beast rises up out of sea-it means peoples,nations,multitudes of all tongues)

    With the appearance of Man Beast of earth(of Israel),then there will be two powerful Beasts reigning in the Planet Earth.

    What I see is that ONE of the SEVEN heads of the first Beast,Beast of sea,it will be wounded to death henceforwards- Revelation 13:3.In my vision,the wounded head by the Sword(a sharp Sword)is/will be South America,much STRONGLY Brazil.The other six heads will be astonished/impressed with the surprising event.

    Because of this surprising and mortal religious event,will rise of the earth the Beast like lamb,speaking as a dragon,doing great signs and wonders,he will make fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,and the esoteric,and kabbalistic,and spiritist Judaism will acclaim the Beast like a lamb as their messiah,in fact he is an IMPOSTER,a false messiah- John 5:43-47-and they will enthroned him in the temple of GOD-JERUSALEM.



    Then the Beast like a lamb will oppose and exalt himself above all that is called God,or that is worshipped;so that he as God will sit in the temple of God,shewing himself that he is God,Even him,whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders.2Thes.2:9

    And the false messiah of the Jews,as is described above,will try to heal the deadly wound of the Beast of sea,then he will give his Power,and his Seat,and great Authority to the Beast of sea-Re. 13:2-and the deadly wound will be healed:and all the WORLD-Europe,and Asia,Africa,Oceania(Australia),and the three America will stay wondered after the Beast.

    Get ready
  • Oseas - In Reply - 8 months ago
    Rainwalker

    As you and ALL know, the prophecy - Daniel 7:7-8- is revealing about the fourth Empire- the dreadful and terrible, and strong Roman Empire- diverse from the Greek, Persian and Babylonian kingdoms that were before it. As you and all know, the Roman Empire was specifically and genuinely a GENTILIC Empire, but there was also a completely alien being, or nation, in the Gentile Roman Empire: It was ISRAEL, descendants of Abraham. For this reason the prophecy reveals Israel as an APPENDIX linked to the Roman Empire as 10 other independent powers, DESCENDANTES OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC and JACOB, prophetically represented by 10 horns, which in turn represents the 10 toes of the statue, part of iron, and part of clay- Daniel 2:42. In Daniel 2 , Israel, the clay- Isaiah 64:8-, is represented by 10 toes of the feet of the Nebuchadnezzar's estatue.

    The roots of the Gentile Beast of sea, the Papacy, a religious MONSTER having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns 10 crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy, the main partner of the red Dragon- Revelation 12:3-4 & 9, yeah, the roots of the Gentile Beast of sea-the Papacy, are described in Revelation 13:2. In this current decade must be elected the last Pope, the next, and to this last Pope the dragon- Revelation 13:11-, will give him his Power, and his Throne(in JERUSALEM), and great Authority. Both as a RELIGIOUS AND SATANIC MONSTER-Catholicism and Judaism-iron and clay-, both will establish an Universal and religious kingdom- Daniel 2:41-44 combined with Luke 21:24 and Revelation 11:2. Take a look.

    There will be a terrible spiritual War in the Earth from now on- Revelation 16:13-15.

    GET READY

    Revelation 21:8 - The fearful(COWARDS), and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
  • Oseas - 9 months ago
    2/3-RESTRAINING-2Thes.2:7-10

    The sacrifice of JESUS until the current time lasted around 727000 days-THE DAILY SACRIFICE WILL BE TAKE AWAY WHEN THE JEWISH FALSE MESSIAH-THE BEAST LIKE A LAMB( Revelation 13:11-18 and John 5:43-47SIT IN HIS THRONE IN JERUSALEM- THEN THE PLACE OF THE SANCTUARY WILL BE CAST DOWN, as was prophesied by Daniel. Daniel 7:7-8 & 11.

    Dan.7:7-and behold a fourth Beast,dreadful and terrible,and strong exceedingly;and it had great iron teeth:it devoured and brake in pieces,and stamped the residue with the feet of it:and it was diverse from all the Beasts that were before it;and it had ten horns.

    8-I considered the(10)horns,and,behold,there came up among them another little horn,...and,behold,in this(little)horn were eyes like the eyes of MAN,and a mouth speaking great things. Yea,he(the little horn,by his mouth)shall magnify himself(magnified as God)even to the prince of the host(it is Michael- Revelation 12:7),and by him (by the Jewish false messiah-the little horn)the daily sacrifice will be taken away,and the place of the sanctuary will be cast down.

    The false lamb/messiah( John 5:43),he is also a Jew,and he is from one of the 10 tribes of Israel, maybe from the tribe of Dan as Jacob prophesied- Genesis 49:16-17. He shall rise up from the earth-from Israel-from one of the ten tribes of Israel-HE IS THE LITTLE HORN.

    The false lamb- John 5:43-has two horns like a lamb.Two horns represent the two kingdoms of Israel,but he will rise up from one of the 10 tribes,as prophesied Jacob. Genesis 49:16-17.
  • Oseas - 9 months ago
    1/3-RESTRAINING-2Thes.2:7-10

    7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work:only he who now letteth will let,until he be taken out of the way.

    9Even him,whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

    The prophecy on the RESTRAINING be taken away,it didn't fulfill yet, of course,but will LITERALLY fulfill in days to come,would say in this current decade,and it only after the end of the FIRST half of the last week,when the next and last Pope be elected,i.e. week 70th Daniel 9:27,actually it will occur only when the Abomination of Desolation be established in the 2nd half of the last week for 1260+30 days.

    The current Dispensation of Grace gets to the END with this terrible and SATANIC event,I say through the manifestation of the Jewish false messiah( John 5:43-47, Revelation 13:11, 2Thess.2:9), and the establishment of the Abomination of Desolation in the holy place.

    Who is he who now does not let the MAN of sin,SON of perdition,a former Cherub,be manifested among his own people(Israel),and also before the whole Gentilic world?The Complete Jewish Bible-CJB says the MAN of sin is at work secretly,in other words-KJV-,"the mystery of iniquity doth already work",but it will be secretly only until he who is restraining him is taken out of the way.

    Well, there are three that bear witness in Earth,the Spirit,the water, and the blood:and these three agree in One- 1John 5:8.The blood is the blood of JESUS that was shed on the cross;the blood of JESUS is the millennial sacrifice of JESUS that REMAINS until the current time for salvation of souls,AND WILL REMAIN until it BE TAKEN AWAY, WHAT WILL HAPPEN ONLY AND ONLY IN THE SECOND HALF OF THE LAST WEEK,WEEK 70th DANIEL 9:27,WHOSE EVENT IS NOT SO FAR FROM THESE DAYS,IT MAY OCCUR IN THIS DECADE .

    GET READY.
  • Oseas - 9 months ago
    2/2 - JESUS continued prophesying and warning His people-His Church- about the signs of His coming, and END of the WORLD of Devil now, from now on, even in this current time,saying what shall happen with His people in this period of sorrows:

    (1) they shall deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you;

    (2) and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake;

    (3) then shall many be offended;

    (4) and shall betray one another;

    (5) and shall hate one another.

    (6) many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

    (7) And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

    The promise of our Lord JESUS

    He that shall endure unto the END of the WORLD, the same shall be saved,

    the gospel of the kingdom of GOD shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all NATIONS;

    Then shall the END come; So,

    when ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place-JERUSALEM-, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )

    then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.- Daniel 12:1-

    except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

    if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; BELIEVE NOT, - John 5:43-47-.

    for there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders( John 5:43-47 combined with Revelation 13:11-14-take a look- ; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

    Behold, I have told you before.

    Get ready
  • Oseas - In Reply - 9 months ago
    Bennymkje

    The point of the last paragraph of my post is about the things which will happen now in this seventh and last Day, or seventh and last millennium, the Lord's Day, even in this current time, even now, and from now on, as is written in John 5:43-47, combined with Revelation (Apocalypse)13:11 (manifestation of a false lamb, a false messiah in Israel (probably this year or next? 2Thessalonians 2:9-12 - strong delusion), and both Beasts (Catholicism-the Papacy - the RCC plus the esoteric and kabbalistic Judaism) both will make a deal to establish a satanic and religious kingdom(the feet and 10 toes of the Nebuchadnezzar's statue- Daniel 2:44-45 combined with Revelation 13:2, according to the LITERAL fulfillment of the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, self-executing,

    Revelation 13:2 KJV

    2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his Power, and his Seat, and great Authority, and there will be a WAR. WAR between GOD x SATAN- Revelation 13:3 and 13:14 combined with Revelation 12.

    Get ready

    Go, set a watchman, let him declare what he seeth. Isaiah 21:6

    GOD bless
  • Oseas - In Reply - 9 months ago
    Greetings, Sister Ellen

    I enjoyed a lot your reply

    Knowing that we are living in perilous times, materially and spiritually, and knowing the grows of the sophisticate artificial man-made technology, my concern is about the flood the serpent may spread out through his satanic systems, trying to cause the Church to be carried away from the Truth by his flood of apostasies and traps, through corrupt and devilish messages / posts, and so on.

    Revelation 13:5-10

    5 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against GOD, to blaspheme His name, and His tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven ( Ephesians 1:3-8 combined with Philippians 3:20-21).

    7 And it was given unto him to make WAR with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

    8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, WHOSE NAMES are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

    9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. - This is a severe warning for us -

    Ephesians 6:11-17

    11 Put on the whole armour of GOD, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

    12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

    13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of GOD, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

    14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with Truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

    15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;

    16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

    17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of GOD:

    GOD BLESS
  • Oseas - In Reply - 9 months ago
    Bennymkje

    Sorry for the delay. I searched to interpret the nuances of your answer to the question I made for you, i.e. why did JESUS send not a letter to the Church of Rome, that was developed by Paul Apostle ( Romans 1:7-13, written around 57AD), when He sent the seven letters to the Churches of Asia? My focus was: what would you say about this? It was just curiousity.

    Of my part, trying to search an explanation for the omission or exclusion of the Church of Rome of the list of our Lord JESUS, only for to report or to clarify my point, I would say that when was revelead the Apocalypse to John, the Church of the Lord in Rome had already apostatised completely, and had turned itself the embryo and the birthplace, or the cradle, of the antiChrist, linking to the Roman Empire -the iron-, and remains still until today an apostate Church in the hands of Devil ( 1John 2:18-21).

    When the false messiah of the JEWS- John 5:43-47 combined with Revelation(Apocalypse)13:11- manifest himself in Israel (probably this year or next?), both Beasts -(Catholicism-the Papacy, and the esoteric and kabbalistic Judasm) will make a deal to establish a religious and satanic kingdom(the feet and 10 toes of the Nebuchadnezzar's statue- Daniel 2:44-45 combined with Revelation 13:2), and there will be a WAR between GOD x SATAN- Revelation 13:3 and !3:14 combined with Revelation 12.

    Get ready
  • Oseas - In Reply - 9 months ago
    Ronald Whitemore

    PRE TRIBULATIONAL PERIOD-BEGINNING OF SORROWS

    Matthew 24:1-2&15-25

    Jesus went out from the Temple:His disciples showed Him the buildings of the Temple.JESUS said:See ye not all these things?verily I say unto you,There shall not be left here ONE stone upon another, what He prophesied fulfilled LITERALLY in 70AD,the testimony of JESUS is the Spirit of prophecy.Temple was destroyed in 70AD,Israel was banned from their land,and were scattered around the world for 1878 years,from 70AD-1948AD,100K died under the army of Romans's attack.Israel suffered severe and great punishments for 1878 years in LITERAL fulfillment of Deuteronomy 28:15-68.Take a look.The WORD IS GOD,self-executing,understand?

    Then JESUS went to the Mount of Olives,there the disciples privately asked two important things to Him,saying:

    1 - What shall be the sign of thy coming?

    2 - and of the END of the world?(the current Devil's world)

    JESUS LISTED A TRIBULATIONAL PERIOD-BEGINNING OF SORROWS, AND SAID HOW WOULD BE THE BEGINNING OF THE END OF THE TIME

    The testimomy of JESUS is the Spirit of PROPHECY.He listed several events linked to His Coming,and to the END of THIS current Devil's world.

    Matthew 24:4-8-Jesus said:

    v.4-Take heed that no man deceive you;(this the first concern of JESUS).It seems many have not kept the warning of JESUS and are being deceived by false and devilish theories spread in the world mainly by Internet.

    v.5-For many shall come in my name,saying,I am Christ;and shall deceive many;

    (Soon will manifest the Beast of the earth who has two horns like a lamb,actually a false lamb,a false messiah,AN IMPOSTOR. John 5:43, 2Thessalonians 2:3-4, Revelation 13:11).

    v.6-And ye shall hear of WARS and RUMOURS of WARS;seefor ALL THESE THINGS must come to pass,but the END is not yet.

    v.7-For NATION shall rise against NATION,and kingdom against kingdom:

    there shall be famines;

    pestilences;

    earthquakes in divers places.

    8All these are the beginning of SORROWS.(Pre-tribulational)
  • Oseas - In Reply - 9 months ago
    Hello Rainwalker - and Ronald Whittemore

    Greetings in Christ JESUS

    I could not see in your reply what is your interpretation on Dan.9:27, you just limited yourself to informing other interpretations are erroneous, your answer did not bring your interpretation.I did not understand what you meant: 'one issue with Dan 9:27 is that it's all about the Messiah'.

    But what does Daniel 9:27 reveal?

    27 - And HE shall confirm the covenant with many for one week(of years):and in the MIDST of the week(after 42 months)HE shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,and for the overspreading of abominations HE shall make it desolate, even until the consummation,and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. Just curious.Who is HE in your understanding? (Remember:In Matthew 24:15 our Lord JESUS LITERALLY referred to this desolation spoken of by Daniel as a signal of His coming imediately after the period of sorrows- Matthew 24:3-8).

    Then,according to the above,'HE shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease',but verse 26 says:And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off (crucified),but NOT for Himself: and the people (WHAT PEOPLE?)of the PRINCE (WHAT PRINCE?)that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary(for me Ezekiel 21:25 reveals who is this profane Prince); and the end thereof shall be with a flood,and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

    You said 'the Ministry of JESUS' was 3,5 years, but the current and universal record of the period of JESUS's Ministry is only 3 years, not 3,5 years. What is your source? Just curious,it's unknown to me.

    Sorry, our posts are read by many brothers and sisters, so my concern is to FIND the true interpretation of Scriptures in the current perilous times, and also overspreading of apostasies, beyond manifestation of the son of perdition very soon( John 5:43-47 combined with 2Thessalonians 2:1-4 and Revelation 13:11).

    May our Lord GOD bless us,and give us His pretection

    Amen
  • Oseas - In Reply - 9 months ago
    Ronald Whittemore & Rainwalker

    The message below is for your meditation, as a clue, to decipher an enigma / conundrum.

    As you know, Revelation 13 describes two terrible different Beasts:

    Beast of sea(verse 1),

    Beast of the earth(verse 11)

    Which of the two Beasts are you referring to?

    According to the Revelation, sea means waters, waters mean peoples, and nations, and multitues of all tongues- Revelation 17:15-i.e. Gentile nations, so the Beast of sea is a Gentile Beast.

    The Beast of earth has two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a DRAGON (a false lamb), by allegory, earth here is Israel, the clay( Isaiah 64:8) a dry land, like an isle in the sea, a portion of earth surrounded by waters (gentile peoples) on all sides.

    According to the Daniel 9:27, he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week. Revelation 13:2 says the DRAGON shall give to the GENTILE Beast of sea his Power, and his Seat(his throne in Jerusalem), and great Authority. And in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations( Daniel 12:11) he shall make it desolate until the consummation.

    GOD BLESS
  • Oseas - 9 months ago
    Re.16:13-15

    13And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the MOUTH of the dragon,and out of the MOUTH of the Beast(of sea), and out of the MOUTH of the false prophet.

    14For they are the spirits of devils,working miracles,which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world,to gather them to the battle of that great Day(Lord's Day,the seventh)of God Almighty.

    15Behold,I come as a thief. (Get ready)

    Blessed is he that watcheth,and keepeth his garments,lest he walk naked,and they see his shame.

    Re.12:9-16

    9And the great dragon( Revelation 13:11)was cast out,that old serpent,called the Devil,and Satan,which deceiveth the whole world: he was(will be)cast out into the earth, and his messengers- 2Corinthians 11:13-15-were(will be)cast out with him.

    10And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven,NOW is come salvation,and strength,and the kingdom of our GOD,and the power of His Christ:for the accuser of our brethren is cast down,which accused them before our GOD day and night.

    11And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb,and by the Word of their testimony;and they loved not their lives unto the death.

    12Therefore rejoice,ye heavens( Philippians 3:20-21),and ye that dwell in them.Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea!for the Devil is come down unto you,having great wrath,because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

    13And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth,he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

    14And to the woman were given TWO WINGS of a great eagle,that she might FLY into the wilderness( Isaiah 60:8),into her place,where she is nourished(by the Word of GOD)for a time,and times,and half a time,from the face of the serpent.

    15And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman,that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

    16And the earth helped the woman,and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

    Get ready
  • Oseas - 9 months ago
    Joshua 5:13-15

    13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his Sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?

    14 And he said, Nay; but as captain (a Prince) of the host of the Lord am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant?

    15 And the captain of the Lord's host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.

    Daniel 12:-13

    1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time(because Michael stand up): and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

    2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

    3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

    Matthew 24:15and21-23

    15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation,spoken of by Daniel the prophet,stand in the holy place,(whoso readeth,let him understand )

    21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

    22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved:but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

    23Then if any man(Pastors, Bishops,Evangelists,etc.) shall say unto you,Lo, here is Christ( John 5:43-47.Take a look),or there;BELIEVE IT NOT.

    Re.12:7 & 10-11

    7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his messengers fought against the dragon( Revelation 13:11);and the dragon fought and his messengers.
  • Oseas - 9 months ago
    PUT THIS IN YOUR MIND - THE RED SEA AND THE RED DRAGON

    I believe you know that the Hebrews had to cross the Red Sea,and walk through a desert,walk until they got to the Promised Land after 40 years of pilgrimage.What about GOD's people now or in this current time?

    Now GOD's people will have to go through(I mean win a war)against the Red Dragon,that's exactly it,a Red Dragon yes,this is no coincidence,it was predicted millennia ago.He's a false messiah who will soon manifest,just ahead,with great signs of lying,he will manifest in Israel like a lamb with two horns,he's a Jew,of course, and he'll speak like a Dragon. Revelation 12.3-17 and Revelation 13: 11-18.

    Let's get ready to go through this not easy FINAL journey of GOD's people here until the glorious,marvelous,and day of exceedingly joy - the day 1335.Amen.

    Remembering and understanding that the departure of the Hebrew people from Egypt was not without first having taken place a battle against Pharaoh(by the way,there and now is Satan himself),and when the march began for the departure of GOD's people from Egypt, then the enemy army persecuted the Hebrews,the same will happen now,initially the persecution will be by the man Beast of the sea,it is he who will first persecute the Christian believers- Revelation 13:5 - for 42 months,that is the first half of the last week, week 70th Daniel 9:v.27.This POINT is only and only the half of the way -3,5 years or 42 months,the GOD's people will need to march more 3,5 years,so the murch will last 7 years,it will not be easy this journey of course.

    Again:Let's get ready to go through this not easy FINAL journey of GOD's people here until the glorious,marvelous,and day of exceendigly joy-the day 1335. Amen.

    JESUS in His prayer to the Father,said: John 17:15 - I pray not that thou take them out of the world, but that thou keep them from the evil.

    Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Matthew 5:5

    Get ready, yeah, get ready
  • Oseas - 9 months ago
    Many think there will be a WWIII now,oh no,there will not be,absolutely.We just entered in the current seventh and last millennium,so there will not be WWIII,absolutely.JESUS listed the events that must happen in this beginning of the seventh and last millennium or seventh and last GOD's Day. Matthew 24:1-8:

    PRE TRIBULATIONAL PERIOD-BEGINNING OF SORROWS

    Verses 1- 2:->JESUS went out and departed from the Temple.His disciples came to Him and showed Him the building of the Temple. JESUS said:See ye these things?I say unto you,There shall not be left here ONE stone upon another.JESUS disappointed his disciples, evidently.

    What JESUS prophesied about the Temple it fulfilled LITERALLY in the year 70AD, the Temple was destroyed,Israel was banned from their land and scattered around the world for 1.878 years, from 70AD to 1948AD, more than 100K died under of the Roman's attack.

    JESUS went to the Mount of Olives, there the disciples privately asked TWO things to Him:

    1-What shall be the sign of thy coming?

    2-and of the END of the world?(END of the current Devil's world)

    JESUS listed several events linked 1st:to His Coming;2nd: about END of this current Devil's WORLD.

    Mat.24:4-8-JESUS said:

    4-Take heed that no MAN deceive you;(this was the first concerns of JESUS)

    5-For many shall come in my name,saying,I am Christ;and shall deceive many; (Soon will manifest the MAN Beast of the earth like a lamb,a false lamb,false messiah,AN IMPOSTOR,as said JESUS- John 5:43, 2Thessalonians 2:3-4, Revelation 13:11-18.

    6-And ye shall hear of WARS and RUMOURS of WARS; ALL THESE THINGS must come to pass but THE END IS NOT YET.

    7-NATION shall rise against NATION, kingdom against kingdom;(Will G7,G20,EU,UNO,be DISSOLVED from now on? Pe.3:7, Re.11:18, Micah 4:3).

    -and there shall be famines;it is fulfilling LITERALLY

    - and pestilences;In fulfillment;

    - and earthquakes-divers places;

    8 All these are the beginning of SORROWS(Pre-tribulational)

    Wake up-Get ready,now time's still of sorrows.
  • Oseas - In Reply - 9 months ago
    Dear Jaz

    Greetings in Christ JESUS our Lord and Saviour

    Thank you for your reply.

    As it is written,"All Scripture is given by inspiration of GOD,and is profitable for doctrine,for reproof,for correction,for instruction in righteousness:That the man of GOD may be perfect,thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

    As you know,our enemy"is wiser than Daniel;there is no secret that they can hide from him".Paul Apostle warned,saying:Put on the whole armour of GOD,that ye may BE ABLE to stand AGAINST the wiles of the Devil.

    Think you(and many)also know that the MAN of sin,a Jewish MAN,son of perdition,will manifest himself very soon as messiah and God( John 5:43-47and 2Thessalonians 2:3-4and9-12,and mainly Revelation 13:11 and so on),so we all MUST be careful.Get ready.



    However,the prophecy of Ezekiel is very clear:Ez.28:7-10-->7 Behold,therefore I will bring strangers upon thee,the terrible of the nations:and they shall draw their Swords against the beauty of thy wisdom,and they shall defile thy brightness.

    8They shall bring thee down to the pit( Revelation 20:1-3),and thou shalt die the deaths of them that are slain in the midst of the seas.(peoples,and nations,and multitudes of all tongues-Re.17:15)

    9Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee,I am God?but thou shalt be a MAN,and no God,in the hand of him that slayeth thee.

    10Thou shalt die the deaths of the uncircumcised(he's a Jewish MAN)by the hand of strangers:for I have spoken it,saith the Lord GOD.

    Re.12:9-12-->9And the great dragon was cast out,that old serpent,called the Devil,and Satan,which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth,and his angels were cast out with him.

    10And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven,Now is come salvation,and strength,and the kingdom of our GOD,and the power of His Christ:for the accuser of our brethren is cast down,which accused them before our GOD day and night.11And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb,and by the word of their testimony;12Th
  • Oseas - 9 months ago
    Re.6:2-And I saw,and behold a white horse:and he that sat on him had a BOW;and a CROWN was given unto him(He is a Prince of GOD):and he went forth conquering,and to conquer.

    Thine ARROWS are sharp in the heart of the King's enemies (enemies of JESUS,anti-JESUS,Antichrist;whereby the people fall under thee- Psalm 45:5.

    Isaiah 7:22-24

    22...he shall eat butter:for butter and honey shall every one eat that is left in the land(the remnant-144K) Question:The rebel Israel was banned from their land and was spread around the whole world from year 70 AD until 1948,but from now on?being ruled by a false God,a false messiah?- Revelation 13:11-18).

    23 And it shall come to pass in that day(the current seventh and last Day,seventh and last millennium)that every place shall be, where there were a thousand vines at a thousand silverlings,it shall even be for briers and thorns.(because are good for nothing)

    24 With ARROWS and with BOWS shall men come thither; because all the land shall become briers and thorns.

    Isaiah 45:2

    2Thou art fairer than the children of men:grace is poured into thy lips:therefore GOD hath blessed thee for ever.

    3Gird thy Sword upon thy thigh,O most MIGHTY, with thy glory and thy majesty.(He's a Prince of GOD)

    4And in thy majesty ride prosperously because of truth and meekness and righteousness;and thy right hand shall TEACH thee terrible things.

    6Thy throne,O God(GOD the Father, GOD Son and(God of the earth- Revelation 11:4),is for ever and ever:the sceptre of thy kingdom is a RIGHT sceptre.

    7Thou lovest righteousness,and hatest wickedness:therefore God(God the Father/God the Son),thy God,has ANNOINTED thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

    Zech.4:11-14

    What are these two olive trees upon the right and left side of the candlestick?

    What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?

    Knowest thou not what these be?

    These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth
  • Oseas - In Reply - 9 months ago
    Rainwalker

    The battle of Michael is against three unclean spirits like frogs(why frogs),that FIRST manifest by the MOUTH of the dragon,the MAN Beast like a lamb(a false lamb,a false Jewish messiah- Revelation 13:11 combined with John 5:43-47,actually the MAN of sin,son of perdition)having two horns(i.e. representing two ancient kingdoms),and this false messiah,in fact an esoteric,and kabbalistic, and spiritist messiah, knowledgeable in Torah,a FALSE prophet,and he shall oppose and exalt himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God will be enthroned in the temple of God-the Holy City, showing himself that he is God-2Thesslonians 2:3-4 and 9-12.

    The battle also is against the unclean spirit of the Beast of sea having 7 heads,10 horns,and upon his 7 heads a NAME of blaspheme.The false messiah will give to the Beast of sea his Power,and his Throne,and great Authority, hen the false messiah, the dragon-Re.13:11-shall take and link the whole structure around the world(Europe,Asia,Africa,Oceania(Australia),North America, Central America and South America) of the Roman Catholic Church to his body, i.e. the 7 heads of the Beast of sea, a Gentilic Beast,which shall sit on the throne of false messiah in Jerusalem in the FIRST half of the last week,week 70th Daniel 9:24-27.So, as JESUS prophesied, Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled- Luke 21:24.

    The false messiah from the tribe of Dan- Genesis 49:17-represents the 10 horns of the dragon's body.The dragon's TAIL-Re.12:4-are all false preachers of the Word of GOD- Isaiah 9:15-16.

    14For they are the spirits of devils,working miracles,which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world,to gather them to the battle of this great Day of GOD Almighty,the sevenh and last Day,or seventh and last millennium.

    15Behold,I come as a thief.Blessed is he that watches,and keeps his garments,lest he walk naked,and they see his shame
  • Oseas - 9 months ago
    Who comes first, Michael or JESUS? It's very important, for in this current time, yes, even now, after around 2000 years or after two GOD's Days- Hebrews 1:1to4- so it is

    as the lightning that cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall the coming of the Son of man be. Get ready- Matthew 25:10-, knowing that only lamp- Psalm 119:105-is not suffice to enter in the kingdom of GOD - Matthew 7:21-27 and Malachi 4:11-14.

    Michael the archangel is one like unto the Son of man, the difference is that Michael is a warrior, JESUS the Savior, He is the stone which is become the head of the corner. There is no salvation in any other(except in JESUS Christ):for there is none other NAME under heaven given among men, whereby we MUST be saved.

    JESUS/JOSHUA warned: ... no man cometh unto the Father, but by me, so Adonai, Jehovah, YHWH, Yahweh, HaShem, Yehovah, Elohim, Yahusha , YEHshia, YEHvah, ten supposed and fictitious names, better, NICKNAMES of GOD, added in the Jewish Bible, and inadvertently copied into the Gentile Bible by the translators, they all are good for nothing.

    Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. But who comes first that will cause to happen Great Tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. My Lord JESUS made it very clear, saying: Except those days (this current time) should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

    A false messiah is at door, he will manifest himself soon- Revelation 13:11-14 combined with John 5:43-47-AN IMPOSTOR- , he was born decadas ago, understand? It is he the God of the Jews- 2Thessalonians 2:3-4.

    My Lord JESUS warned: If any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; BELEIVE IT NOT.

    Be careful and get ready
  • Oseas - 10 months ago
    I believe you know that the Hebrews had to cross the Red Sea, and walk through a desert, walk until they got to the Promised Land after 40 years of peregrination / pilgrimage. What about GOD's people now this current time?

    Now GOD's people will have to go through (I mean win a war) against the Red Dragon, that's exactly it, a Red Dragon yes, this is no coincidence, it was predicted millennia ago. He's a false messiah who will soon manifest himself, yes, just ahead, with great signs of lying, he will manifest in Israel as a lamb with two horns, he's a Jew, of course, and he'll speak like a Dragon. Revelation 12.3-17 combined with Revelation 13:11-18.

    Let's be ready to go through this not easy FINAL journey of GOD's people here, until to enter in the Kingdom of GOD- Revelation 11:15-18, in the Ineffable, Wonderful, Indescribable, Unspeakable, glorious, marvelous and day of exceedingly joy, the day 1.335- Daniel 12:12. Amen. Hallelujaaah!!! Are you ready for the last battle, battle against the red Dragon? Will it be? I hope so.

    Woe to the inhabiters of the earth(Israel) and of the sea(Gentile peoples)! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

    Well, if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?

    Get ready
  • Richard H Priday - 10 months ago
    Cross references in the Bible

    Anyone with access to a concordance; even a basic list in small print of corresponding verses shows the integrity and cohesiveness of all of the Bible; both Old and New Testaments. This dwarfs the historical references in the Apocrypha; in which many of the details that are verifiable are in Maccabees; 1 and 2. The feast of Dedication is found in the N.T. but not mentioned specifically in the Old; hence Maccabees is helpful describing this as well. These facts are important for archaeological and historical accuracy as well as the veracity of the teachings in the Bible; whether in the old covenant of the law or the New Covenant. When we compare information in scripture to other secular teachings and those of other faiths; we see elemental truths as well as the same events clearly indicated in many cases; or closely paralleled.

    In the case of the law; for example there are repetitive passages in the Pentateuch in regard; for instance to the 10 commandments found in Exodus and Deuteronomy; then Jesus quotes many of the same passages when contenting with the Pharisees to expound the deeper meanings of intentions of the heart when it comes to marriage and divorce; hatred for someone; and lustful thoughts. Love your neighbor as yourself comes from Leviticus 19:18 which I wasn't even aware of until recently.

    The empires of history are in Daniel as well as the final world government summarized in Daniel 7:4-6 and Revelation 13:2.

    We see the same cross references relating to most of the major events of the Tribulation especially found in the endo of chapter 11 and all of 12 in Daniel. Jesus Himself in Matthew 24:15 stated the importance of Daniel's visions from Daniel 12:11. This also was foreshadowed in the story in Maccabees about Antiochus Epiphanes which time frame is alluded to in parts of Daniel 11 that seem to shift into the time of the end in verse 40.

    We do well to study the Word as the Bereans did ( 2 Tim. 2:15).
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 10 months ago
    Hello ToshiroWhite,

    There are several speculations on what the mark may be, a literal mark, a computer chip, symbols, and more but the mark of the beast will be based on worship. It is the false prophet, the second beast who causes people to worship the first beast and his image. The number 666 goes back to Babylon, the 36 gods numbered 1 through 36, 6 columns and 6 rows the numbers were arranged in such a way that the sum of any given row, column, or diagonal was 111, and therefore the sum of all six rows or all six columns was 666, like 18+20+22+21+17+13 =111, 1+2+3 to 36=666.

    We are told to have faith and patience Luke 21:19 Hebrews 6:12 and hear in Revelation 13:10 and Revelation 14:11 that if we are strong in our faith and patience we will have the steadfastness and endurance (the meaning of patience) to not give into the temptation of the three who is to come, Satan, the beast out of the bottomless pit and the beast who will be the false prophet, even if we face death, the hour of temptation, Rev. 3:10.

    Something like this was done in the past in the Decian persecution in 250 AD. The decree ordered sacrifices be performed in the presence of a Roman magistrate, it was a signed and witnessed certificate, issued to that effect. People had to perform a sacrifice to the Roman gods and the well-being of the emperor.

    Christians were put to death for refusing to perform the sacrifices, many others apostatized and performed the ceremonies, and others went into hiding. Those who compromised were able to prosper economically. By way of contrast, those who did not have the certificate were unable to buy or sell and suffered economic hardship. Buying and selling was done in marketplaces ruled by Rome. This may be similar to what is coming but a mark instead of a certificate.

    Hope this helps.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Richard H Priday - 11 months ago
    Necessary doctrines: God's covenants with Israel and the church.

    The question that arises is this; since we are "grafted in" hence Jews and Gentiles are part of God's elect in this age as we see illlustrated in Romans 11. If we continue to verse 23; however we see that even Jews are grafted in once they believe in the truth about Jesus. ( Romans 11:25). We also see this principle in Luke 21:24 as well as various Old Testament scriptures about the Resurrection of all saints ( Daniel 12:13) and King David himself ruling with Christ ( Daniel 7:27 and other passages). There are those who stubbornly only consider these promises to be fulfilled in the church and say God is done with Israel. This helps to discount a millennium as something which is symbolic of the church (even though that has lasted almost 2000 years now since Pentecost). I would say that we need to draw the line if there is a display of antisemitism; for instance with a superiority complex developing because of these theories. Admittedly there is much evil among all; including those Jews who are living in unbelief when we see; for instance Tel Aviv and the abominations of those living out a lifestyle like Sodom ( Revelation 13:16-17). We also need to seek out individuals whether Jew or Gentile to preach the Good News; without partiality to anyone. Finally; there is difficulty with some in regard to sacrifices actually occurring in the Millennium; deeming them an abomination as Christ has already fulfilled all things necessary. That would depend on the purpose of these; as to commemorating God and having a ceremonial purification; for instance. Such activity would help to bring all to worship in Israel; fulfilling prophecies such as Isaiah 56:7 and Zechariah 14:17. Despite all this; I wouldn't consider this essential doctrine to break fellowship but important nonetheless to get a correct grip on the rest of scriptures to avoid what could be bigger error of essential truths.
  • Richard H Priday - 11 months ago
    Necessary doctrines: Prophecy

    The subject of prophecy never seems to be an issue in one regard among those who generally hold to proper scriptural interpretation in one sense; that is of PAST fulfillment. A Reformed church and many other traditional denominational assemblies hold onto belief that the Prophets accurately predicted specific events; in particular relating to the first coming of Christ. When it comes to future prophecies related to the nation of Israel and the Millennium there is often confusion as to what is taken literally and what is meant figuratively. Thus; again sometimes it is claimed that we can't understand certain things; or perhaps more insidious that because of an isolated doctrinal stance we can't pigeonhole something being literally fulfilled because it threatens that doctrine. Needless to say if our doctrines are truly Biblical and we take scripture literally unless clearly indicated as figurative we can make a lot more sense of things.

    We need to remind ourselves that when Christ came the first time He was; by and large not received by His own ( John 1:11). We also need to realize that no matter how much prophecy we read if we are not written in the Book of life we are ultimately going to be deceived to the point that ALL who aren't there will worship the Antichrist (Beast) mentioned in Revelation 13:8.

    As I have commented numerous times in the past few years at this site; by the sixth seal it is clear there are no more Atheists; nonetheless many will continue to live in open rebellion and follow Satan to their doom at Armageddon after damning themselves and taking the Mark of the Beast. Despite these factors; there are some who have reservations as to the Eschatology of a Millennium period; for example who I still fellowship with despite disagreeing with their interpretations.

    A bigger issue is those who think God is done with Israel; a common verse used is Romans 9:6 as well as Galatians 3:7.

    I will discuss this further.
  • Richard H Priday - 11 months ago
    The Tribulation: Final reckoning.

    In my last post I discussed what could be described as the lust of the eyes in 1 John 2:16 along with the lust of the flesh. The last part of the verse is involved with the pride of life. That certainly could cover covetousness; greed and materialism. There are two things to watch for here beyond our own hearts; there is the endless routine of daily activities; buying; selling; marrying and given in marriage which are said to characterize a day when the Lord arrives suddenly (see Matthew 24:38). There is nothing wrong with such activities; as we are told to be productive on earth as well as to be fruitful and multiply. But it is making this the whole meaning of our existence which is dangerous; rather than giving thanks for all blessings the Lord has and realizing that He "gives and takes away." ( Job 1:21). Keep in mind that came from Job AFTER his first wave of devastating losses.

    The second thing is the spiritual forces in the demonic realm that are constantly seeking to drive us away from our steadfastness in Christ and be rendered ineffective at spiritual warfare. Please understand carefully what I am about to say-a TRUE believer ALWAYS recognizes the Lord's presence (His sheep hear His voice: ( John 10:27). Other spirits can overwhelm us with desire or temptation but they give themselves away because of the cost involved in following; they are found through wisdom as promoting sin and rebellion as we are exhorted in ( Proverbs 5:1-3 and sequential verses).

    When we see the end result of demonic persuasion in Revelation 16:13 leading men to Armageddon a few chapters later we realize along with the Mark of the Beast that no one who is a nonbeliever will follow the Lord; all will follow Antichrist ( Revelation 13:8). The enemy if he cannot kill us physically or spiritually can certainly render us ineffective and trap us in sin if we are not careful. He will steal and destroy if he can't kill if God allows.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Chris,

    Part 2

    God made Jesus Lord, Acts 2:36, made is thee Greek word ginomai that means to come into being, to happen, to become. This was foreordained before the foundation of the world and this Lamb was slain before the foundation of the world, 1 Peter 1:19-20 Revelation 13:8, foreordained the Greek word proginosko means to know beforehand to appoint or decree beforehand.

    I see too many Scriptures that do not agree with the doctrine. I hope this makes sense. This is Scripture without man's knowledge or wisdom 1 Corinthians 1:22 Jeremiah 10:10 10 Malachi 2:10 Mark 12:32

    Paul wrote these; Romans 3:30 Romans 15:6 1 Corinthians 8:6 2 Corinthians 1:3 2 Corinthians 11:31 Ephesians 1:3 Ephesians 1:17 Ephesians 3:14 Ephesians 4:6 Colossians 1:3 1 Timothy 2:5

    Peter wrote this; 1 Peter 1:3

    These are Jesus's words Himself; Matthew 27:46 Same in Mark 15:34 John 14:28 John 17:3 John 20:17 Revelation 3:12

    What this says to me, there is only one true God who is the God and Father of Jesus,

    These Scriptures are clear without our wisdom or knowledge do not agree with the doctrine of the Trinity. I do thank you and again I hope you do not consider me a Gnostic that would be sad, they are more of a philosophical like the immortal soul came from Greek philosophy, I am believer and follower of Jesus our Lord and savior.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hi Alexis.

    Adam and Eve were Saved by the cross the same way all that were saved in the OT.

    I Would suggest forgiveness for Adam and Eve was granted before they were created.

    I don't believe Adam and Eve surprised God by their disobedience in the Garden.

    Christ was foreordained as the Lamb of God that take away the sins of the world "BEFORE" the foundation of the world, 1 Peter 1:18-20. Revelation 13:8.

    Jesus' death on the cross was not an after thought by God after the event of mankind falling into sin.

    God covering of Coats of skin for Adam and Eve suggest that there was a shedding of blood to cover their nakedness.

    I'm sure the fig leaves mentioned in Genesis 3:7 covered there outwardly exposed bodies but not the inward exposed nakedness guilt caused by their transgression.

    Besides, this was the work of their own hands.

    Only the blood of Christ can take away sin

    and those OT sacrifices pointed forward to Christ.

    Leviticus 17:11 For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one's life.

    God has all along been revealing the "lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world through these OT sacrifices.

    See Hebrews 9:7-14.

    I hope this helps.

    God bless.
  • Richard H Priday - 1 year ago
    Concluding thoughts on madness to come.

    My last post shows worship for all those who take the mark of the Beast in Revelation 13:8. The world is decieved because of some image of the beast they somehow create. The Antichrist will suffer a deadly wound as Zechariah 11:17 and will be adored because of an apparent "resurrection". My point is that it appears all those who take the mark do so voluntarily; and are unsaved; and all those saved will be given the strength to be martyred and NONE of them will take it. That will require supernatural strength. It seems that torture and limits of human suffering won't be able to force someone to take this mark and thus damn themselves; but it is true that cowards have their place in hell; and I would interpret that to be those who are more concerned about themselves or what man thinks than of fearing God rather than just afraid of suffering. Some of the Jews no doubt will escape and survive with a few others into the Millennial period.

    We see shades of the beginning of the Tribulation in the final failed rebellion at the end of the Millennium which will be ended at its inception. The world after the Rapture will probably be convinced that with Christians gone they can finally obtain utopia on earth and in their hearts will think that they can sin with impunity now that we are finally gone as the "salt and light" of the world; or that God has finally somehow given up on this place and man has to rule; or that Christ and God are the aliens from outer space who they have to fight or something to that affect. (I can almost hear John Lennon's song Imagine in the background).

    Many forget the exhortation such as an elder in my church has given that we are in "enemy territory" at present. Many forget they themselves were once enemies of God and are tempted to "dumb down" the awful truth of the sorry state of those who are lost and need Christ with some appeal that seeks approval of man instead of uncompromising truth


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