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One of the strongest proofs of a Pretribulation Rapture is the event of the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet in Daniel 9:27 and then again by the Jesus Himself in Matthew 25:15. This is the event when the Antichrist will claim to be god from the temple in Jerusalem, and demand that the world worship him or be killed. From this blasphemous event, it will be exactly 3 1/2 years until the Lord's SECOND COMING ( 2nd Thessalonians 2:4).
Since the Bible plainly states that no man knows WHEN the Rapture will occur ( Matthew 25:13), we must conclude that it will be a Pretribulation Rapture, because we DO KNOW it will be exactly 3 1/2 years between the abomination of desolation and the SECOND COMING.
1st Thessalonians 4:14-18, "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words."
All Christians will be removed from the earth at the Rapture. However, the Bible teaches that sinners will be saved after the Rapture, during the Tribulation Period ( Revelation 7:14). We read in the Book of Revelation that the Beast will make war against the saints ( Revelation 13:7). These will be people saved during the 7-year Tribulation.
We need to look carefully at such passages as the parable of the sower and the seeds. It gives us understanding that only those who persevere unto the end ( Matthew 24:13 near the other verse I quoted earlier) will be saved. What I hadn't considered until more recently is the reality that ALL (wheat and tares) start off in the same position; there is an immediate response to the gospel; then trials of this life along with temptations. His children ultimately will endure until fruit is produced; the tares will not.
It is sobering to know that even now true believers have 1 Cor 10:13 to stand on. The tares are unaware of their own true state. They may ascribe privledge as an advantage to following Christ as Lot's wife or Judas Iscariot illustrates. There are all sorts of reasons (personal pride; social status; self righteousness) that motivate some to continue to attend church and fellowship when their hearts are not truly in it.
A sobering passage to further verify that there is no hope for those tares is in Revelation 13:8. Satan is the god of this world and not only are all in sin and enemies of God without the cross; but if left behind will take the mark of the Beast. And that will be AFTER worshipping his image. Those who are forced to take the mark or die and refuse will be the Tribulation saints.
These verses also show us that even now we need to proclaim boldly the truth of Christ ( Matthew 10:32). Only God can give us this strength; a bitter lesson Peter had to learn in scripture.
These are dark days; and often those who call themselves believers are the most difficult to be around. May you continue to shine forth as salt and light.
When in Matthew 24 the apostles asked Jesus about the destruction of the temple and the end of the world (age) the first thing Jesus said was "Take heed that no man deceive you". I agree with you the rapture theory as taught is a big deception.
My understanding, 1 Thessalonians 4 along with Daniel 9:27 and parts of Mathew 24 and other scripture taken out of context has been used to create this theory of being taken out and up to heaven to be spared the great tribulation. The wrath of God and the great tribulation is wrongfully considered to be the same. The comfort in 1 Thessalonians 4:18 is they can be comforted they will not keep those who have died from resurrection day.
Paul tells us in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 Jesus will not return until after these two things happen. In this same chapter, in context of the end times God sends a strong delusion and the reason for it, in verses 8-12. My understanding, this points to Revelation 3:10 and also Revelation 13:11-16. God said He will keep us from this temptation that is coming not from being killed, the death of this flesh body. Our hope is eternal life not this corruptible flesh life.
There will be some that survive this time that is coming but we see in Revelation 13:7-10 and other scripture most will not. It is taught that this gathering of the saints Jesus takes us to heaven but scripture does not support that, I have not found one bible verse that says we ever go to heaven but the bible does say we will reign on earth and God will dwell with us and we will be His people, Revelation 21:3.
God bless,
RLW
Revelation 8:9 And the THIRD PART of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the THIRD PART of the SHIPS were destroyed.
Psalms 104:26 There go the ships: there is that leviathan, which thou hast made to play therein.
Isaiah 27:1 In that the Lord with his sore and great and strong sword (the word of God) shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan, that crooked serpent, and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.
Revelation 13:10 And he that leadeth into captivity, shall go into captivity, and he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword.
Revelation 20:4 .....and the souls (mines of flesh) that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus .....
God Bless You!
In a nut shell: All the WORDS were spoken, and the WORKS were finished before the foundation of the world.
Hebrews 4:10 For he that has entered into his rest, hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Hebrews 4:3 ....the works WERE FINISHED from the foundation of the world.
Revelation 13:8 .....slain BEFORE the foundation of the world.
Everyone has been given the gift of being a heir to God.
All this is being played out in God's appointed time.
I AM the beginning and the end.
I AM the FIRST (born) and the LAST (born).
All preordained to be conformed to the IMAGE OF HIS SON.
The WHOLE world is in TRAVAIL, as a Woman getting ready to GIVE BIRTH.
You must be BORN AGAIN, into the likeness of Christ.
You are a FINISHED WORK, you are just being brought to TRUTH.
My people perish for lack of knowledge.
This is the GOSPEL, all the works of God. GRACE
Man has no part in these works; man is the HEIR of the works of GRACE.
John 4:23 Now the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and TRUTH, for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
If Christ DIED for the WORLD, and RECONCILED all things TO HIM.
To say different, that it's up to man, is not worshipping the Father in spirit and truth.
God Bless YOU!
Who is the BEAST?
The next important question is who is I, is it the writer, who wrote the words, or is it Christ who spoke the words.
This study is going to take a while, because it take lots of references from outer scriptures to come to TRUTH.
Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns seven crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Revelation 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard .....
Hosea 13:7 Therefore I will be to them as a lion: as a leopard by the way will I observe them.
Jeremiah 5:6 Wherefore a lion out of the forest shall slay them, and a wolf of the evening shall spoil them, and a leopard shall watch over their cities: each one that goeth out thence shall be torn to pieces, because their transgressions are many, and their blackslidings are increased.
Who is the City that the leopard is watching over?
Revelation 3:12 ....and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God ....
Revelation 13:2 .....and his feet as the feet of a bear .......
Hosea 13:8 And I will meet them as a bear that is bereaved of her whelps, and I will rend the caul of their heart, and there will I devour them like a lion: the wild BEAST shall tear them.
Amos 5:19 And if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear meet him, or went into the house, and leaned his hand on the wall and a serpent bite him.
This BEAST is Christ.
Make your rebuttal, I'm out of characters, and we will try to come to truth of these first one and a half verses, then proceed on.
Cod Bless YOU!
Here's a portion of your quote.
"What happens to those whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN in the Book of Life?
Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth SHALL WORSHIP HIM, whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN in the book of life of the Lamb, slain from the foundation of the world." End quote.
Earl that's not the Lord being worshipped here.
Here's a few previous verses to get the context.
Revelation 13:4-8. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: AND THEY WORSHIPPED THE BEAST, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5) And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6) And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7) And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8) And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
God bless you Earl.
Revelation 13:5 And there was give him (man) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him for forty two months.
One thousand two hundred ninety days. Forty two months. Three and a half years. Christ ministry on earth.
Daniel 12:11 And from the time daily sacrifice shall be taken away (old covenant) and the abomination THAT MAKETH DESOLATE SET UP, there shall be a thousand two hundred ninety days.
Revelation 11:15 The seventh angel sounded (Christ's resurrection), ....saying, the kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ: and he shall reign for the age of the age.
John 19:30 .....It is finished ......
Hebrews 2:8 ....we see NOT YET all things put under him.
You commented the other day that just because we don't believe, doesn't make it not so.
Christ said he speaks as if all things are done.
We should look at his words as if all things are done.
Hebrews 4:3 For we which believed (his words) do enter into rest ......the works were finished before the foundation of the world.
Philippians 2:11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Romans 14:11 For it is written, AS I live saith the Lord, Every knee shall bow, and every tongues shall confess
to God.
It's this lake of fire (for our God is a consuming fire) that CAUSES Confession to salvation.
I'm out of characters, give your rebuttal and I will respond.
God Bless YOU!
I am trying to figure out what message you are sharing here. You answered your first question using Revelation 20:15, so I get that one. In Revelation 13:8, who is being worshipped? I ask because you capitalized Him. Are you saying that it is Christ who is the one they are worshipping in that verse? Maybe I am just misunderstanding because Verse 7 gives us the answer. Also, I am not sure how Acts 22:1 ties into all this. Can you please clarify for me? Thanks for your time!
Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of this book .....
What happens to those whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN in the Book of Life?
Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth SHALL WORSHIP HIM, whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN in the book of life of the Lamb, slain from the foundation of the world.
Acts 22:1 And it shall COME TO PASS, that whosoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be save.
God Bless YOU!
I know that you and I disagree, but I also know this is of God.
Christ said I will set brother against brother, etc.
This has a PURPOSE.
NOTE: The notion that there is no Hell and no Satan comes from the same Evil source that told Eve she shall not surely die.
What was that source?
Who is this Satan?
In Genesis it says he is the most subtil of all the beast of the field.
Psalms says man differs not, than a beast of the field.
Man is the most SUBTIL, of the BEAST.
Job said Satan came in with man to present himself to God.
God ask Satan where he had been?
Satan said walking to and fro on the earth.
Satan is not a spirit, Satan is flesh.
Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful (Satan the great deceiver) above all things, and desperately WICKED ...
2 Thessalonians 2:8 Then shall that WICKED be revealed ......and destroyed by God's words and God's coming, the indwelling of the Holy Ghost.
Revelation 12:8 And the earth helped the woman, and open her mouth (the Grave) and swallowed up the dragon ...
Revelation 20:1-2 Satan was bound in the GRAVE (pit) ...
Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expire (the age of grace) Satan shall be loosed out of his PRISON (the grave, the second resurrection). To deceive once more: these resurrected still have a heart of stone, the WICKED and deceived.
Then Judgement, and creation given a heart of flesh.
Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth (being raised back up) shall worship him, whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LIFE of the Lamb, slain from the foundation of the world.
God Bless YOU!
Revelation 13:8 And ALL that dwell upon the earth, (this will come to pass at the second resurrection, back to their flesh, TO JUDGEMENT) shall worship him, whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN in the book of Life of the Lamb slain FROM the foundations of the world.
Isaiah 26:9 ...and when thy JUDGEMENTS (second resurrection) are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Psalms 149:9 To execute on them the JUDGEMENT WRITTEN, this honour hath all his saints.
We will either be the JUDGES bringing the world to righteousness, or we will be the JUDGED, learning righteousness.
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is IN HEAVEN.
Colossians 1:27 ....this MYSTERY .....CHRIST IN YOU ......
Revelation 21:1 And I saw a NEW HEAVEN (Christ in YOU) and a NEW EARTH (where RIGHTEOUSNESS will DWELL), for the former HAD PASSED AWAY.
These scriptures teach there is neither heaven or hell, as taught by the traditions of man.
God Bless YOU!
We must all understand now i think, we are in this time. But there is no consolation: for it is getting worse.
Here I ask you all to be careful. Ever since my 1st day as an adult Jesus saved. Have i thought that this promotion has rubbed something terrible in my heart and ears. Something that is clear and should be for everyone is the following:
When Jesus comes, He will not kill us first. He wants to take us home to Him, right? Then those who live will be promoted! When Jesus tells as Matthew 24:12 writes, it becomes an explanation of what will happen when He returns. If we read this in its entirety, we will see the passage of the Son of Man Matthew 24:29-31
Then Jesus tells afterwards that one is taken away and one is let back. See this dear friends. Do not be fooled by anyone who has received great revelations about this. Someone has changed these sections. We chosen righteous will be with the end. But in the end, He comes as we wait. Then someone joins up to heaven. Only those who have Oil on their lamps.
We live in that time for the mark of the beast and have done so for a long time see Revelation 13:15 to give breath to the mark of the beast.
When we talk about TV and internet pc also further. I just have to say from my place: Have we not become quite strangely addicted to this vivid picture? I know of fine Christian Believers who sit in front of the TV screen every hour of the day! It's a shame, but they calm it down it's innocent. That's it not! They sit at home in their own living rooms and get scared, fearing all sorts of strange things. Agree with this: Does not such a thing take us away from the Lord?
Another key thing: Why did Jesus say it was accomplished when He had to give up His Spirit on the cross? Stay blessed in Jesus Name.
When there is a difference in words between various English translations, where in this case one version says "in" and the other says "on," we sometimes have to wonder what the true meaning is. I agree there is a difference between in and on. What I do when I come to places in scripture like this is I go to the original language because what we have in whatever English bible we are using is a translation. Even our beloved KJV is a translation. So what does the original text say? I look this verse up ( Revelation 13:16) in the Greek text and it uses the word EPI (pronounced EH-PEE). So the King James translation is correct by using the word on because that's what the original text says. The Greek word used for "in" is EN (pronounced AIN), but EN is not used in Verse 16.
Hope this helps!
I have read several commentaries on John 6:70,71 since our discussion, in addition to prayerfully meditating with the Lord's help for myself. I've also been studying, along with John 17:12. They all say the son of perdition, the devil, the murderer, the betrayer, is Judas.
I won't respond to any further discussion, because I see it's pointless. I have fulfilled my duty. I will just say that I have been so grieved over this whole discussion. I think of Revelation 13:6, speaking of antichrist, and how he blasphemes the saints in heaven. We need to be careful of what spirit we are of, when we speak about one of the servants of God. You are a much braver woman than I to do so.
Peter, though a loud-mouth at times, though prideful at times, though influenced by the devil in that very tragic circumstance...at length was restored and became a great blessing to the church of God then, and even to this day, by the letters that he penned and left for us, which contain so much precious truth. Peter, once filled with the Holy Spirit on Pentecost, preached the gospel of the Lord that he loved; and was faithful unto death. Would the HOLY SPIRIT dwell inside a devil???
I entrust you to the One Who is the best Teacher in the World, and I myself ask for continued wisdom and insight from God's Word. I need His help moment by moment, and am utterly lost apart from Him.
Thank you for the interesting discussion, though we differ.
This is why it is SO IMPORTANT to understand, and believe, MOSSES and THE PROPHETS.
The Spirit of Christ prophesied that ONLY ONE THIRD (vessels of honour) of creation would be CALLED in this age of GRACE (the DAY OF THE LORD).
Ezekiel 5:1 .....then take three balances and weigh, and DIVIDE the hair ....( Revelation 6:5-6)
Ezekiel 5:2 Thou shall burn the THIRD PART in the midst of the city ....(you are the new Jerusalem of God)
Ezekiel 5:3 Thou shall also take thereof a FEW IN NUMBER, and bind them in thy skirts ( Psalms 133:2).
Ezekiel 5:4 Then take of them (the few) and cast them into the FIRE ( Malachi 3:2-3), and burn them (the few) in the FIRE; for thereof (the few) shall a FIRE ( Psalms 104:4) COME FORTH unto the House of Israel (you are the TRUE house of Israel).
Obadiah 1:18 And the house of Jacob (Jacob was the shadow; Christ is the TRUE) SHALL BE A FIRE, and the house of Joseph (Joseph was the shadow; Christ is the TRUE) shall be a flame, and the house of ESAU for stubble ..
Obadiah 1:21 And saviours shall come upon Mount Zion, to judge the mount of ESAU; and the KINGDOM (of GOD)(CHRIST IN YOU) shall be the Lord's.
Zechariah 13:09 And I WILL bring the THIRD PART THROUGH THE FIRE ..
Revelation 8:7 ... and there followed HAIL and FIRE .....
Isaiah 28:2 Behold, the Lord (the Father ) hath a strong and might one (CHRIST), which as a tempest of HAIL and a destroying storm ....
Isaiah 28:17 ..and the HAIL shall sweep away the refuge of lies ..
Revelation 8:8 ...as it were a great mountain BURNING WITH FIRE ...
Daniel 2:35 ...and the stone (CHRIST) that smote THE IMAGE (of the beast)( Revelation 13:15) became a great mountain (Mount Zion) ...
Revelation 9:18 By these three was a THIRD PART of man killed, by the FIRE, and by the SMOKE, and by the BRIMSTONE, WHICH ISSUED of there MOUTH.
The LAKE OF FIRE and BRIMSTONE comes out of the MOUTH, THE FIRE AND BRIMSTONE ARE THE WORD'S OF GOD.
God bless u and yours in Jesus name. Have a good Easter time. John 8:31-32
Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names ARE NOT written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundations of the world.
GBU
-In 1991 the USSR suffered a "deadly wound", which has healed into the Russian Federation, that the people will marvel at, Revelation 13:3
-Russia is the little horn, rising up after the USSR received a deadly wound, emerging as the Russian Federation, Daniel 7:8
-"Even he is the 8th and is of the 7". Russia was the 8th G8 member and is of the G7. & Russia, being the 8th member, leads a confederacy of 7 nations (from 10), Revelation 17:20
-His look is "more stout than his fellows". Russia has 11 time zones, Daniel 7:20
-He becomes strong with a small people. Russia's population has been stuck at 144 million for decades, Daniel 11:23
-Even though God has always held back Gog (Russia), He will now bring him forth, with his northern army to destroy Israel, whole. Ezekiel 38:4
I thought I would get to Christ last to save the good news for last. Christ was wounded on his feet by the nails at Calvary; as well as his hands as shown in Psalm 22. The crucifixion completed the victory over sin; His redemption for the chosen ones (namely us); and was complete when He died and said "It is finished" ( John 19:30). Christ's body will continue to show the scars to his hands and feet ( John 20). He is the only one who has a glorified body; and since He didn't suffer decay and was resurrected as Psalm 16:10 and others indicate-these wounds are visible as reminders to us for all eternity the price He had to pay.
Does Joel Richardson know that spiritually the land has been moved, and that Russia fits every description of the king of the north, Esau, and the beast? Mystery Babylon has moved as well, it's not in the ME; it is America. Russia and America will fight again, just like they did during the cold war, like Korea and Vietnam.
What does Turkey have on Russia, who's making its beast move in Ukraine, threatening to nuke any US affiliated detractors? Putin has threatened Israel about the Golan Heights, and soon he will invade Israel and take then captive. Joel 3:1
Richardson is wrong, and pushing that narrative in the end-times is a disservice. A false prophet steers followers away from the evolved truth.
Revelation 13:1 Russia
Revelation 13:11 China
Some say Gog, Magog.
It may be symbolic of "Bear" Revelation 13:2,
* Matthew 24:6,
When you ask people who the false prophet is, more so than not they'll tell you it's the pope, and why not, he's the perfect person for the job, right? The average person cannot be expected to know these things but there are those that do see from the word given. Obadiah tells that antichrist's confederacy in-fights, and the false prophet placed a burdensome wound (nuclear) on anti-Christ's kingdom.
I asked the Lord to give me discernment concerning the false prophet. The answer required years of waiting and then the logic came to me. The false prophet is none other than China. Russia = iron, China = clay, and they will fight when America and Israel are gone. Russia and China have recently forged an unprecedented alliance, preparing their collective beast army for a year a month a day and an hour for the day of the Lord strike that punishes the world, making the proud low. Use your own discretion.
The deception has been laid, what will we be spared? There is a difference between God's wrath, org meaning; anger, wrath, passion; punishment, vengeance. and tribulation thlipsis meaning; persecution, affliction, distress. The beast will be given time to inflict tribulation on the saints in the world and overcome them, Revelation 13:5-7, as God gave Satan, Job 1:12 Job 2:6. Satan's last shot, because he knows his time is short, Revelation 12:12.
The adversary, with this deception, has manipulated scripture to have many believing the great tribulation and the wrath of God to be the same thing and will be spared going through it. This started developing in the 1700s, and what a deception, a beautiful picture of glorious colors of truth, masterfully painted on a canvas of lies. How many will be deceived by the miracles that will be done by the false prophet, Revelation 13:13-15, and fall away? Or those facing death, and who are overcome by the fear of death, take the mark.
A similar picture of what is to come has happened in the past. Decius/Decian persecution in 250 AD, a decree that Christians had to prove their loyalty to paganism and the emperor, ordered that sacrifices to idols be performed in the presence of a Roman magistrate. It was a signed and witnessed certificate issued. People had to perform a sacrifice to the Roman gods and the emperor.
A great number of Christians were put to death for refusing to perform the sacrifices, many others apostatized (falling away) and performed the ceremonies thinking they could still be a Christian in secret. Others went into hiding. The Decian persecution was the severest on Christians at that time and the loss suffered by the apostasy (falling away). What is coming will be more severe and worldwide.
Did God spare them? If not, should we be? Have we exalted ourselves more worthy? Are you ready, praying that our faith shall not fail, even if facing death?
God bless,
RLW
Satan is permitted, for a time, to rule over the majority in this world as we see when he tempted Jesus, Luke 4:6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
We see again Satan who deceived the whole world when he is cast down to earth permanently, Revelation 12:7-9. He then gives his power, his seat, and authority to the beast over the world, Revelation 13:2. But Satan is limited in accordance with God's will and he dwells in darkness and that is the boundary of his territory. Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
That is why we must do as in Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
If we walk in the Spirit and the true light is in us, darkness will have nothing to do with us, we have victory in Christ. The time is coming when Satan is cast down and gives his authority to the beast, those of us who are still living will see the darkest time and go through it, Jesus does not return until after the tribulations of those days, Matthew 24:29-31 Mark 13:24-27.
So, walk in the light and not in the manners of the world where there is darkness.
God bless,
RLW