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Hey Mel,

The covid vaccine is not the mark of the beast. The way the government is mandating it and people are losing their jobs is scary but it is not the mark. The mark of the beast is said to be diverse things, a literal mark, a computer chip, symbols, and more, but is not a shot in the arm. The mark of the beast will be based on worship.

It will be similar to the Decian persecution in 250 AD, it was a decree ordering that the sacrifices be performed in the presence of a Roman magistrate, it was a signed and witnessed certificate, issued to that effect. A great number of Christians were put to death for refusing to perform the sacrifices, many others apostatized and performed the ceremonies, and others went into hiding. This will not be a piece of paper but a mark on the hand or forehead, but you will know exactly what it is and we will have a choice.

Revelation 13, the second beast/false prophet creates an image of the first beast, and if we are still living will have to worship this image and take the mark or be killed. Like the certificate in 250 A.D. without the mark, you will not be able to buy food, or if you have a business you will not be able to have a license to sell.

The temptation to take this mark will be great, but we have been given a promise in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Our strength is in our faith in Jesus, God bless,

RLW

Do you think the covid vaccine is the mark of the beast? People are getting fired over it. Can't buy or sell

Donna Smith,

There are several opinions on this, we know Satan was the first to rebel, the first to sin, a murderer, and is the father of lies ( John 8:44). We see in Isaiah 14 God said, take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, many take vs. 12 O Lucifer son of the morning as being Satan describing his casting out.

The word Lucifer, the morning star is another word for the planet Venus, Latin roots lux (light) and ferre (to carry) it is its brightest right before sunrise. It is also called a day star because it can be seen in the daytime.

We see in ( Ezekiel 28:12-19) Is a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, where the description of Satan is taken. In ( Job 1) and ( Job 2) " the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord" (angels) Satan showed up. So at this time Satan still had access to heaven. In ( Luke 10:18) Jesus said "I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven." Whether past or future? Whether it was his ranking or permanent?

Now in ( Revelation 12:7-17) and Revelation 13:1-2), the war in heaven where the red dragon and his angels are cast out into the earth. In verse 8 there is no more place for them in heaven. In verse 12 they are rejoicing in heaven and the warning, "Woe to the inhabiters of the earth" because Satan knows he only has a short time.

My understanding, Revelation 12 starts the great tribulation when Satan is permanently cast down with no more access to heaven and gives his power seat and great authority to the beast. Revelation 12, if you look at the Greek it is Satan standing on the sand of the sea when the beast ascends out of the bottomless pit. ( Revelation 9:11) ( Revelation 11:7) ( Revelation 17:8).

May this help your study, you can use, bible simple search KJV, just type in to edge, google, yahoo or whatever search you use, also this site. Type in devil, Satan, and it will pull all scripture that contains these words you can study.

God bless,

RLW

Wise suggestion. Much appreciated!

Brother Good Guy, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Are you a man? Do you buy and sell? We best judge ourselves by the words of God.

Proverbs 9:1 WISDOM (CHRIST) hath builded her house... ( Hebrews 3:6)

Proverbs 9:2 She (WISDOM)(CHRIST, THE WORD) hath KILLED her beast...

Have you (the beast) ONLY been wounded ( Revelation 13:3) by God's WORD OR have you (the beast) been KILLED ( Revelation 13:10) by God's WORD?

Have you (the beast) stumbled ( Romans 9:32) over the stone (CHRIST) OR has the stone (CHRIST) fallen ( Matthew 21:44) on you and ground you to powder?

We DIE daily to God's WORD.

Revelation 13:16 -17

I don't believe it is. However I believe it's a wake-up sign.

That's the right interpretation about the beast. Pray for more understanding.

John

If you are a Christian before you start to study Revelation pray and ask God for his wisdom and understanding of the scriptures ask God for the knowledge of the word and do not rush through the scriptures allow God to brake the scriptures down for you to understand and God will. Jesus told us (in our language) to ask for his wisdom and understanding. As for the beasts there are two the first is the world and the second is a religious organization.

No. The signs, wonders, miracles, tongues (languages), and prophecies were given to prove to the lost sheep of the house of Israel that Jesus was the prophesied Christ, the Son of God who had come to restore the Kingdom to Israel. After the Jewish people had rejected their Messiah the second time by stoning Stephen ( Acts 7:54-60) and rejecting the kingdom gospel proclaimed by the Apostle Paul and Barnabas ( Acts 13:6), the signs, wonders, miracles, tongues, and prophecies faded away. To my knowledge, the last person raised from the dead was a young man named Eutychus who was raised from the dead by the Apostle Paul ( Acts 20:7-12). Note: Scripture says the coming Antichrist and False Prophet will be given great power by Satan to perform lying signs and wonders. See 2 Thessalonians 2:9; Revelation 13:13-14; 16:14.

What if it was the Soviet Union that died a mortal death on Dec 25, 1991 and within 2 decades rises up to become a beast known as the Russian Federation? What would you do when this Russian beast obliterates America and Israel to dust? Truth is stranger than fiction.

Revelation 13:3

I would say that McGee belongs to the premillennial, futurist camp. Do an online search if you're unfamiliar with the terms premillennialism and futurist. Peace.

Hey John,

Like is said, many people have a plethora of interpretations on Revelation. The word antichrist has developed into a being, along with seven years into a story of fiction. The word antichrist is only in first and second John ( 1 John 2:18,22) (1 John4:3) ( 1John 1:7), if you read, there are billions of antichrists today.

If you read Revelation there is not one, or two, but three, Satan, the beast, and the false prophet. Satan is cast down to earth Revelation 12; this is permanent because no place is left for him in heaven, he gives his seat, authority, and power to the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit. In Revelation 13 this beast comes out of the sea (bottomless pit) ( Revelation 11:7) ( Revelation 17:8). The second beast (false prophet) Makes image and causes those to worship the first beast and take the mark ( Revelation 13:11-18)

I am not familiar with J. Vernon Mcgee so I cannot comment on what he said. Many takes Daniel, Mathew and some of Paul and paint some fantastic picture of end time. If you are studying Revelation read it from front to back 5-10 times with no preconceived ideas in your head before you start to study it.

Many interpretations use scripture and prophecies that have already been fulfilled, pray before you study and let the Holy Spirit lead you. Clear your mind from all the things you have heard and understand that somethings have not been revealed to us as yet. Some things we will not know until they happen.

Walk in the light,

RLW

Is revelation 13:16-18 happened in the past or happening in our present time or coming soon ing the future?

Thank you for your response.

John, I don't have all the answers, if you put 10 people in a room and asked them anything about the book of Rev. you'll get 10 different answers. I can tell you that in 2 Thess. chapter 2 it talks of; "that man of sin shall be revealed, the son of perdition" vs: 3 (singular) and in vs:8 "shall that Wicked be revealed", meaning one. Hope this helped. God's servant.

I just listened to a lesson by J. Vernon Mcgee that seems to imply there will be two antichrists during the seven-year tribulation. The first beast will "rise up out of the sea" in verse one indicating that he is a political leader rising out of the great masses of humankind.

Verse eleven says "and I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth." Mcgee says the second beast "rising out of the earth" is a religious Anti-Christ rising out of Israel because the earth is symbolic for Israel.

I know there have been several schools of thought with regard to the interpretation revelation. Which one does his interpretation fit into and why?

" Little children,ye are on this world but not of this world." Who are they? Those who refused to received the mark of the beast.( revelation 13:17).,They are unique..in almighty god's side.( exodus 33:16, john 15:19, john 17:14-16.)If someone says that he/she is one among them but a disciple of any religious,political,or commercial organization which he/she devotes his/her time,strenght,talent and money for the benefits and interest of his/her organization,how come he/she is no part of this world? Religious (church)Political( nation),and Commercial(cartel) are the 3 systems that forcibly introduced or marked in heart and mind of the majority of people around the world and only those who are no part of this world refuses to be a disciple of any religious,political or commercial organization that patronizes(buy)and campaigning to patronizes(sell) ,traditions,customs,occassions laws,wars,economy,arts,science and technology and at this our time of global pandemic,only those who are no part of this world refuses to go into covid 19 vaccination sites.( 2 chronicles 16:12) i wish you are one of them.(romans11:4)

Nobody in this world could agreed that they have the mark of the beast ( john 8:32- 1john 5:19- revelation 13:16-18)but on their deeds it would be clearly manifested whether they are disciples of religious,political or commercial organizations by means of patronizing (buy) and campaigning for patronizing (sell) traditions,customs,occassions,laws,wars,economy,arts,science,and technologies which are the properties of almighty god adversary,and in this time of global pandemic,all religious,political and commercial organizations discilpes rushes into vaccination sites just to patronize the vaccine which is a product of science and technology and only those who have no mark of the beast refuses to go there whatever the consequences takes place on them.( revelation 13:17) .

Prayer helps us to convey to God all the positive, negative and challenging situations and feelings that arise in our lives. In fact, it's through prayer that we can thank him and ask him for help or solutions to difficult problems.

However, identifying God's guidance, help or comfort is more difficult than just bowing our heads and praying. This is partly because God uses many different means to contact us - he may reach us through another person, a scripture. He always confirms His Word.

1. Even if you don't think your repeating dreams are important, they often leave lingering feelings in your heart. Don't ignore these feelings. Instead, analyze them. Write down those feelings and descriptions of the dreams in a journal. After some time, search through your journal and see if you can find a common phrase, person or image that give you an answer to a recent (or maybe a future) prayer.

2. Remember: with God, there are no coincidences. Don't hesitate to record dreams and analyze them for spiritual messages. The world is full of symbols. There are many that you probably don't recognize, but if you look carefully, they have always been there. God often uses symbolism to give you the answers you seek. That's why you need to write down even the most insignificant part of your dreams, because the one part could be the key to unlocking what the dream means and what God is trying to tell you.

3. On more than one occasion, your dreams can reveal some important messages that, due to lack of attention or disbelief, you don't notice. It may be that given the simplicity or clarity of the message, it's considered unimportant.

4. However, you should never underestimate that advice since God might have been using your dream as a way to answer a question you asked. While it's true that not all dreams are a solution or response to your challenges, many of them can be a source of comfort and/or strength during a difficult time in your life.

Hi Mark A. Hester When it comes to things of God be it dreams, information, prophecies, any spiritual manifestations people talk about I.E. the spirit. First does it Glorify the True God Second does line up with scripture. Third is it all profitable. Fourth no confusion in it. Fifth is everything in order. Also God doesn't give info just to waste time he expects whatevers given to be carried out, the other side of that coin is he doesn't give it to people he knows won't carry it out. Also remember the bible is written revelation. A woman told me one time God told her to go 50 miles per hour in a 25 speed zone and she Got stopped for speeding. I said to Her why would God tell you to break the laws of the land and why would he let you get a speeding ticket and she was late for her meeting anyway. What's worse the officer ask her why she was speeding and she told him God told her too. You got to wonder what the officer thought. Prayerfully this helps. In His Service

I have a question. I wanted to know what the Bible says about dreams and the connection dreams can have with prophecy and future events. The reason I'm asking is because a few years back I woke out of my dreams and wrote down some things I know that only God could have known about me and my future. I believe for a fact that what I wrote down is solid evidence of an all knowing God. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely, Mark H

Dianne, and GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE}

I can see where you and GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} are coming from but to be tried by fire we as Christians must go through some of this tribulation coming up that means we must face some of the one world order to see who will stand for God. We as Christians was had it ease we haven't had to face what the apostles faced yet, I believe that is to come because we as Christians must come out as pure as Gold. Matthew 24: 15 is being practice in Jerusalem today waiting on the temple to be completed. On the other-hand you can look for Biden the U.S. president to issue an order that all Americans must be vaccinated in about two years are less. Because this is the first step to the one world order. Thank you for your input/comments and God Bless you both. Stay prayed up and ready to go up

Cowboy

Amen and Amen, Brother S Spencer, we can't just be wounded by the Word of God ( Revelation 13:3). We have to DIE (be killed) by the Word of God ( Revelation 13:10).

2 Thessalonians 2:8 An then shall that Wicked (US, children of Satan) be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume ( Hebrews 12:29), with the spirit of his mouth (Words of God), and shall DESTROY with the brightness of his coming ( Colossians 1:27 CHRIST IN US).

Cowboy I don't view this as sorry or not either it is written or not, I will not deny that in our day and time there things occurring that are in preparation for that time. That being said I believe according to Gods word that the Christians Church of God is the only the only thing stopping the adversary from really cutting loose. Now when the church is taken up nothing will prevent the [ new world order ] from coming into full power.

Precious Cowboy, no need to be sorry, thanks for stating your view. According To The Scriptures, The Age Of God's GRACE Has NOT Ended yet, With God removing ALL of HIS "ambassadors" ( 2 Corinthians 5:20) To Heaven, BEFORE Declaring War/Judgment/Wrath on an UNbelieving world. The Body Of CHRIST has Already had almost 2000 years of tribulation, but will BE COMFORTED At The Great GRACE Departure To Glory ( 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18). Amen? HIS Gospel Of GRACE Will End so that the Everlasting gospel of the kingdom can be preached during the "Time Of Jacob's {ISRAEL's} TROUBLE":

Which Gospel Makes Way For Which Gospel?

In The Revelation Of The MYSTERY, Paul preached The Gospel of GRACE, Which Is:

JESUS CHRIST, The SON Of God, Freely Gave HIS Life As A Sacrifice For our sins. HE Was Crucified, Buried, And Rose From the dead on the third day! ( 1 Corinthians 15:3-4). Paul wrote in ( Galatians 1:8) that if anyone, Including "AN ANGEL FROM HEAVEN, ... preach any Other gospel unto you than That Which we have preached unto you, let him Be ACCURSED!" Thus we know that this present predominantly Gentile church Must Be Removed {PRE-TOJT} to Allow the worldwide preaching of the gospel of the kingdom that Paul did Not preach to us...

Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From "Things That DIFFER!":

...Making Way For HIS [Everlasting] gospel of the kingdom!:

JESUS Said in ( Matthew 24:14) "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come." The gospel of the kingdom was "... Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!" ( Matthew 4:17).

When The MYSTERY Ends, And, God Resumes HIS Prophetic Program, The Everlasting gospel of the kingdom Will be preached by 144,000 "sealed" Jews, TWO powerful witnesses, AND, by an angel ( Revelation 14:6)

Conclusion: How can The Body Of CHRIST "enter Into JACOB's Trouble, with The Gospel Of GRACE," And, this angel NOT "be ACCURSED, preaching a DIFFERENT Gospel"? Amen?

Cowboy One other point we are saved by Jesus Christ from the wrath to come have already been judged and been made righteous by God through his Son. We are no longer judged for our mistakes we will be rewarded for our works based on Gods word than we will stand at the bema for our rewards our sin is no longer looked at.Revelation is about the final Judgement of Jesus Christ against all unbelief it can't be us because we believe!

Cowboy In thessalonians Jesus Christ is coming back for His Church the Body of Christ the saints in the age of Grace which has not transpired yet we are still in the age of Grace i.e. Church of God in the book of Revelation we come back with Jesus Christ to Kick the enemies rear so to speak. Its your privilege to believe what you believe now that being said I do see things occuring to set up Whats called the new world order. I believe the only thing that is stopping all hell from breaking loose so to speak are the believers standing on the Word. Once were gathered together it won't be pretty, Jesus Christ it will be worse than the days of sodom and gomorrah that I can't imagine and don't want to. God Bless

I'm sorry to say Dianne that the beast is in operation today. In Revelation 13: 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: (the Christians will be here when the beast comes into total affect) and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. - And power was given to the beast; that means all 7 continents of the world gave up their power to the beast. The beast is a one world order, all currency will go through the beast. The chip that will be in the right hand are the forehead will tell the merchants how much currency you have and if you can buy, sell, are trade. There will be no money flowing around. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, (if you want to buy sell are trade you will agree to his terms) whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Eluid you are looking at Revelation 13 with the carnal mind, Revelation 13: 1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea,(The sea represents the people of the world) and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, ( the beast was built by the people of the world) having seven heads (the seven heads represents the seven continents of the world) and ten horns, (the ten horns represents ten kings are ten presidents are someone over a nation) and upon his horns ten crowns, (these are people under the person over a nation) and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. This is a one world order that is run by the beast (a computer) the chips are to keep track of the people and to keep the people in order by fear because they will be able to kill a person that has the chip by entering the chip number and hitting delete, by doing so, killing the body. This is a one world order action.

Hi Glenn Thats what I said whats coming thats what thessalonians says. God Bless