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I need to tap in to your wisdom and Bible knowledge if I may. When I'm fasting I do not eat. But is it ok to drink water or other drinks or beverages. Thatk you for help. God bless you.

Excellent Jesse. It warms my heart.

Shelagh,

The 144,000 is a biblical teaching. The Jehovah's Witnesses just misapply it. If I remember correctly, they say that the 144,000 are J.W.'s. But the bible tells us in the book of Revelation that the 144,000 that are sealed are Jews, 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel.

That's the 144,000 Jews who were sealed back in Revelation Chapter 7, that at Christ's second coming, He will gather them to Himself there in Jerusalem at Mount Sion. They are sealed by God so that they cannot be harmed. They are saved, all 144,000 of them. But there will be many Gentiles (You and I), many more than 144,000 who will also be saved, and are saved now.

The "Nihil Obstat" in the Catholic bible means that it has been certified for use by the Catholic church. Are you Catholic? The reason I ask is because their teaching on salvation is different from the biblical teaching. It is more of a works based salvation, not the biblical teaching that a person must repent, receive Christ, and surrender their life to Him.

A person must trust in Christ alone for their salvation, not trusting in man's teachings, regardless of what church fellowship they belong to. Salvation comes by receiving Christ. Receiving Him is Spiritual. It has nothing to do with physically receiving Him every time a person receives communion. Shelagh, have you received Christ?

While reading chapter 14 Revelations I was worried about the number of those saved 144000 thousand only who had the mark of the lamb ? Isn't this the teachings of the Jehovah witness bible? I was brought up by knowing that all who believes in Jesus and follows Him will be saved ?? I have a Holy Bible but I cannot find the Nihil Obstat nowhere in the book . Does this mean it's not a Catholic Bible? It's ESV version . What is worrying is that I bought it from a Catholic church ?? Thank you xx

James 2:18-20 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Revelation 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Revelation 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

Revelation 20:12 and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

That's a great Truth, Cathryn; the Holy Spirit can only be the One to make His Word meaningful & personal to our lives. Yet, God has blessed His Church with Spiritual Gifts ( 1 Cor 12) for her teaching & building up. He expects that those gifted with a prophetic Word or teaching it in Wisdom, will fulfil their calling joyfully & as such are answerable to the Lord ( Heb 13:17, speaks of those in leadership, which would involve teaching/counselling). So, Revelation really isn't a difficult Book, if we understand that much imagery is used (that which apostle John could hardly explain either) & timelines too, are cloudy. To me what would be more important in this instance, is that I know that the one who teaches from the Word, is indeed a man of God, gifted to teach & does so guardedly when the meaning or wording is unclear. There are many out there who will always seek to distort the Truth (Satan's ploy), & many believers fall into damnable heresies ( 2 Pet 2:1), but the Spirit will reveal.

It really saddenz me that no church that I know will just simply ( Read ) the entire booke of Revelation chapter by chapter and verse by verse onely and without human interpretation, let the precious Word of the Living God do that becuz wen we allow the most Blessed Holy Spirit do that then hey we will alwayz b told the Trueth and nothin but the Trueth :)

When preachers teach on the subject of the Great Tribulation & of end times, they will touch on some or all of these associated chapters in the Book of Revelation. Maybe some preachers believe that Christians will not be around to experience this horrendous time on Earth, so there's little point in making a major study of it. I would be interested to know which cults you refer to that "dapple with it"? And what points do they make from it? Revelation has a lot of imagery, as revealed to the apostle John. He reported what he saw by vision/dream from the angel; he probably had limited understanding of some things, but he recorded what God wanted us to know.

Why is it that we do not hear about the seal of the living God? No one preaches on the topic. It is so important for the nation Israel yet no preachers in the West touch the subject. " ... And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads..." Only cults dapple with it.

I suggest the King James Bible on CD with Alexander Scourby as the narrator as he has a great voice. It can be had for the new testament only for about 25 dollars delivered. Pay attention to who is being persecuted for Christ and by whom are doing the persecution. It will likely be the same as it was in the days of Christ. Persecution is coming people and has been in the works for a long time. 10 of the 12 apostles died for their faith. Paul died for his faith and stephen did also.
Jesus died for you, would you die for him?

Revelation 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, ...

Believers know this: 1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
2 Timothy 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
Acts 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation (TROUBLE) enter into the kingdom of God.
People we are promised persecution and trouble in this world. Jesus warned us and it is coming as a storm. Now is the calm before the storm. Stay close to Jesus as that is all we shall have in this world and what is coming

Please read vs 9 again -- ".... if any man worship the beast or his image and receive his mark ....
I believe the mass of blood is from those who have done this. The exact amount is no nearly as important as the message - all will be slain who have worshiped the beast or his image!

Amen. its the blind leading the blind. he said i come as a theif in the dark... know why that is? becaquse the whole world id in darkness.. in there minds.. he sai d i will raise yhem up at the last day.. and he has raised us elect in our minds. were alive were standing. he said arise o sleeper and christ light will shine on you. standing firm in yah

Enough blood to fill 1,600 furlongs as high as a horse's bridle. What has that got to do with the White House? Zero. It specifically states an amount of blood. It makes no mention of this amount of blood coincidentally also matching an address. Do not add or take away from God's word. God's word said there will be blood as high as a horse's bridle for 1,600 furlongs. Period.

1600 Penn. Ave. Who knows? Could be.

Misplaced loyalty to who or what?

Isaiah 40:9 - There shall be a messenger that will forerun the second coming of our Lord Jesus to prepare those who are predestined to meet the Lord. And also to preach the fear of God to the people dwelling on the face of the earth ( Revelation 14:6-7).

the defiled woman the natural woman but even the beast already mentined by John in the book of revelation. if it were so there were no redemption for all the women of world. we must be carefull when condeming not to condemned with women has a great in the redemptiom or this world and eveyone knows that prety well. if you look back you'll see all the women that followed our lord jesus in the days

show me the return of JESUS WITH OUR REWARDS AND THE WORLD WILL RECEIVED THERE DUE WRATH THAT IS POUR OUT ON THEM

Re. verse 20: " ...a thousand and six hundred furlongs." I see a lot of present day similarities and symbolism. Could this allude to the address of the White House?

Verse 6~Angels have a share in the preaching of the good news being done today.

The 7 th trump is the key. In the days of the voice of the 7 th trumpet the mystery shall be finished. Behold I come quickly. Then we shall all be changed in a moment in the twinkling of an eye at the last trump for the trumpet shall sound and the dead shall be raised incorruptible. To meet the lord in the air. The son of man sitting on the cloud. After the firstfruits (the 144000).

Disciple As it were in the days of Noah they were eating, drinking and having a party. When antichrist or instead of Christ shows off his supernatural powers and stands in Jerusalem claiming he is God the world will believe and they will be eating and drinking and having a party but election they will be delivered up to death which is to say Satan and they stand and the Holy Spirit of God speaks.

Verse 12: Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

This we should all do, for the time is at hand ( Rev 1:3).

Word; we both know, that every one of those who clings to the teaching of a pre-tribulation rapture, does so out of a misplaced loyalty, and not because they have actually found it by the Spirit's inspiration of the Scriptures. "As it was in the days of Lot and Noah" infers a thought that all things will go on indefinitely as they always have; while willfully blind to the sin destroying the world.

Scripture says the saints, the election will be delivered up to death but scripture says also that not one hair on their heads will be harmed. Satan comes as the vile one in peace to deceive the whole world and in his performance with his powers the world will believe his claims that he is God so why do I say the truth so all of you who love the Lord will be prepared. 7 years was cut to 5 months.

Word; Nimrod also was a legendary Horseman, Conqueror, Archer; and "given a crown and great authority;" the original heathen antichrist! I see it as a spirit gone out into the world; both as the beginning and the thing aimed at, out of which all the succeeding and underlying seals have their place. And that the fifth seal shows the slaughter of the Saints; that's what is underneath all the rest.

Disciple; Rider and conquest as Satan kicked out of heaven to deceive the whole world. Think about that statement of deception.Satan appears on a white horse,sound familiar,Satan has a bow but not a bow for arrows it's a bow, a deception of the rainbow spoken of in Rev 4 surrounding the throne of the living God. So white horse,bow,fake crown kicked out to deceive claiming to be God, deception.

Word (cont.); The way I read Revelation 6, the First Seal discloses an appearance of a conqueror, a hunter of souls, a man of war, GIVEN a seat and authority, and a commission from God to subdue all. Under each succeeding seal then is both the underlying evil as well as the result in the spirit; through the four men of war, to the slaughter of the Saints, culminating in the great Day of the LORD.

Word; Right you are; but the things that are now, have ever been, and there was never a break in the line from generation to generation; and the nature and sins of the world then is still at work in men now; and the words of Isaiah are still applicable and in action. It is a mistake to say that any prophecy of that kind was done in Israel and no longer in effect with following similar generations.