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PUT ON THE WHOLE ARMOUR OF GOD!! meditate on EPHESIANS 6; 10-18!! STAND FIRM!!

The reapers are God's Elect, and the harvest is the earth and its people, and it is indeed ripe.

American Indians trust in the Great Mystery helped me to grasp that trust in the Creator, the Unknowable Essence was the most important thing we all need to do. Since I was a Christian, I was in horror. They had never heard of Jesus. Their words were from long ago. I couldn't accept heaven without the very people who had helped me thru their beliefs to understand the essence of the bible. The next thing I knew, god had me read rev. 14:6&7. The everlasting gospel preached by an angel about fearing , worshipping the one who made all things. I then grasped that trusting Jesus is really trusting the Creator of all things.

i do not understand much about this passage.it seems as if 144000 is specifically for jews only according to chapter7 verse 4.some of the other nation have the seal of the holy spirit.not on the forehead but inside our hearts from the day we recieved christ to be our savior

The judgement depends on the deeds. Amen!

can anyone help me to understand Rev 14:6-7

The mark is an economic ID device like VeriCHIP RFID. The image is TV/video which the antichrist will be seen on when it is revealed to the whole world, or a major part thereof. It will be revealed to all those who are hypnotised by TV, who will worship it as the antichrist's image when he is revealed on its screen. He will not be on it all the time; he will know to exercise restraint so as not to become overfamiliar; but on it he will be seen sometimes, such as The News. The other programmes, whether they be Coronation Street, The Simpsons, X Factor, or movies will all be tools incorporating something of his message, presence or adoration, and will be regulated to ensure nothing evil is said against this monster. Make no mistake, ladies and gents, TV is (to be) the Image of the Beast. The Beast is the empire or global organisation, the antichrist its ruler, and the currency of the empire is the economic RFID mark of the beast. They are not (just?) casing Christians, they are casing everyone to enforce worldwide acceptance (by businesses and peoples alike) of the economic standard mark.

THOSE people are special group of people who nt taste the first death(sleep ) they ar righteas.wl u be among them frnds

rev 14; 13. my understanding is,the once you be in Jesus you be dead for sin and you alive for righteousness, so dead are those live in Jesus Christ, for I am not live but Jesus living in me,

What kind of people have to rise before there can be the rapture?

dead in Christ

So the rapture is after the time of those dying for their faith in Rev. 14, because there they are going to die in the Lord.

"dead which die in the Lord from henceforth"

This is the chapter where John saw the resurrection of the just and the rapture - as he saw the earth reaped.

I BELEIVE THEY WERE TOTALY COMMITED TO GOD

@Stan Unger,
I googled your first post "God the Son” in the Bible and there was a lot to read there.
Also the same as for Trinity and Rapture being used in the Bible. As for your second post I found this to be helpful: Psalm 87:2-3 says, “The LORD loves the gates of Zion more than all the dwellings of Jacob. Glorious things are said of you, O city of God.” Occurring over 150 times in the Bible, the word “Zion” essentially means “fortification.” In the Bible, Zion is both the city of David and the city of God.
As the Bible progresses, the word “Zion” transitions from referring primarily to a physical city to having a more spiritual meaning.
The first mention of the word “Zion” in the Bible is 2 Samuel 5:7: “Nevertheless, David captured the fortress of Zion, the City of David.” “Zion,” therefore, was originally the name of the ancient Jebusite fortress in the city of Jerusalem. “Zion” came to stand not only for the fortress but also for city in which the fortress stood. After David captured “the stronghold of Zion,” Zion was then called “the City of David” ( 1 Kings 8:1; 1 Chronicles 11:5; 2 Chronicles 5:2). When Solomon built the temple in Jerusalem, “Zion” expanded in meaning to include the temple and the area surrounding it ( Psalms 2:6; 48:2, 11-12; 132:13). “Zion” was eventually used as a name for the city of Jerusalem, the land of Judah, and the people of Israel as a whole ( Isaiah 40:9; Jeremiah 31:12; Zechariah 9:13). The most important use of the word “Zion” is in a theological sense. “Zion” is used figuratively of Israel as the people of God ( Isaiah 60:14). The spiritual meaning of “Zion” is continued in the New Testament, where it is given the Christian meaning of God's spiritual kingdom, the heavenly Jerusalem ( Hebrews 12:22; Revelation 14:1). Peter refers to Christ as the Cornerstone of Zion: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in Him will never be put to shame” ( 1 Peter 2:6).
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I am always in constant study on God’s word. I have been compelled by him through dreams and visions to tell others that their eyes are shut to the dilemma we are fast approaching. America is deceiving all its citizens to the letter. I believe that Revelation 14 gives true account to what is happening in the world now, as Satan has the whole world blinded. Television, the all seeing eye in very household has made everyone prisoner.

I think Revelation14:12 is a warning against spiritual attacks and temptations. And we must endure to the end and always be ready. I myself go through attacks. Can you give me any advice. Francis. God bless.

This chapter, like the rest of the Book of Revelation is not about the Seven Churches, the sights of heaven, the Judgments or such things, although these gave the context of the Subject of the Book. The issues in this chapter connect to the subject of the Book, which is: HOW THE WITNESSES OVERCOME.

I thank God with all my heart for the 144,000. These 144,000 Christians will come from all over the earth and unite to fight the last battle of World War 3 before the final battle that Jesus fights in Megiddo. These people are selected because they have the "song" or telecommunication ability that no one can hack. They are God’s earthly Christian soldiers that help to stop the slaughter and end the slavery of Christians. This ability, the love of God and courage enable them to defeat the enemies of Christianity. The "harps" are telecommunication devices like computers/satellites or perhaps HAARP technology. "These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins" I think means they are not defiled with the treatment of women as inferior and are pure because they do not demand that women follow the Wahhabi religion code of conduct. These 144,000 love the truth and love the law of God. These 144,000 refuse the WW3 peace treaty agreement to live under Muslim rule. They will fight to protect Christians around the globe. WW3 will be so devastating it will poison the air, land and water. I believe right before Jesus returns a nuclear winter will begin. Jesus will restore the earth to health and establish the New Jerusalem for peace on earth.

Matthew 25 can be a difficult chapter so we must remember some of the basic rules of interpretation:
1. Matthew is a book about the king of the Jews ( Matthew 2:2);
2. Until the cross they are under the law;
3. Jesus first came to save his people the Jews ( Matthew 1:21);
4. Much of Matthew is prophetic given to the Jews for the future, knowing that the Jews were going to reject Jesus as their Messiah. The titles of each book are clues to whom that book is directed at, Jewish title or gentile title. In chapter 25, if a person stumbles over the doctrinal intent then, it will be difficult understanding the spiritual intent. I believe that this chapter 25 is mainly given to the Jews in the tribulation age. Trying to place this chapter in the church age will not work and here is why.
a. Kingdom of heaven is a Jewish term;
b. Virgins = 144,000 Jews from Revelation 7:4 3;
c. The church is always without exception referred as singular (never plural);
d. Oil = holy spirit and it can never be purchased but given when asked for in church age;
e. The wise virgins trimmed their lamps = good works;
f. The foolish virgins did not trim their lamps = no works;
g. In church age we are saved by grace not by works;
h. The 5 virgins go out to meet the bridegroom (church age saints are caught up to be with him);
i. I believe there will be a tribulation rapture ( Revelation 11:12) and the 5 wise virgins that took oil, (in church age we receive oil (holy spirit)) go up with Christ in the tribulation rapture ( Revelation 14:12-16) and the 5 foolish virgins that did not trim their lamps go into the millennial age after second advent of Christ.

It is a terrible thing to fall into the hand of God almighty.

ROMANS 11:1-6 COMMENTARY
TCHINDA FABRICE MBUNA

Saint Paul’s writing to the Romans present us with another challenging theology to deal with. The whole concept which is conveyed throughout this passage can be classified under REMNANT THEOLOGY. Yes, I strongly believe that God is a God of dispensation who works in TIME and SEASON. See Galatians 4:4, Ephesians 1:10. The time line of the history of divine providence from the day of the fall of the First Adam has been that of restoration and the preservation of the remnant of the children of Israel. Despite the providential struggle for restoration and preservation of the remnant of Israel, God has been working through CONVENANT THEOLOGY. In each historical age of the dispensation of restoration, God had always made himself manifest to his children through what I called COVENANT. That is why we cannot really disassociate DISPENSATIONAL THEOLOGY, CONVENANT THEOLOGY, and REMNANT THEOLOGY:
Saint Paul in Romans 11:5 is trying to convey a transcendent Truth about God which is through the GRACE of God, a remnant will always be preserved in all generations, irrespective of the circumstances. The word remnant itself should not only be understood within the light of all those who are being saved or the kept aside by the LORD, but the word remnant should be understood with the mindset of those whom God has chosen as an instrument to save the lost. The word remnant does not necessarily mean that they are those whom has chosen through his Unconditional Election to go to heaven. For example, in the days of Joseph, he was chosen as a remnant to preserve his brothers from the great famine which was to later befall the land. See Genesis 42. In the case of Joseph, we can see that he was unconditionally chosen by God’s election of Grace, and by means of this divine election of grace, his salvation was assured by God himself but his being chosen was for the preservation for the remnant that was to go through moments of hardship.
This again takes us to another argument in the book of Revelation 7:4-8 where in every twelve tribe in Israel God had or God has preserved at least twelve thousand people to be saved. If we have to make a multiplication of the twelve thousand people by the twelve tribes of Israel, that God had or has preserved in history, then we will come to the conclusion of having 144,000 remnant preserved as it is described in the book of Revelation 14:1- Does it mean that only 144,000 people are going to heaven? I say no. why? This is how I explicate myself. This 144,000 people stands for the remnant which God has kept for himself which he will use to work out the salvation of those who have not yet been saved so that through them others will be saved and come to the complete knowledge of the saving grace of God. If we can logically agree with Genesis 42 that Joseph was sent into Egypt because God in his master plan wanted to use him to preserve the remnant that was going to survive the famine, then it is obvious that the 144,000 people have the same providential role to play like Joseph.
In conclusion, the theology of Unconditional Election has never really meant to mean God has chosen others to be saved while he has predestined others for perdition. It does not suffice quoting the story of Esau and Jacob, but one thing remains certain that anybody who has been uncondionally set apart by God’s Unconditional Grace is only a bridge through whom the unsaved are saved. E.g, Esther.

Well Linda why don't we findout and see what Gods word has to say. And I saw, and, look! the Lamb standing upon the Mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand having his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads.” ( Revelation 14:1) As we have seen, this Lamb is the same as the Michael who cleansed the heavens by casting out the Devil and his demons. He is the Michael whom Daniel describes as “standing in behalf of the sons of [God’s] people” as he prepares to “stand up” in executing Jehovah’s righteous judgments. ( Daniel 12:1; Revelation 12:7, 9) Since 1914 this self-sacrificing Lamb of God has been standing on Mount Zion as the Messianic King.
3 It is just as Jehovah foretold: “I, even I, have installed my king upon Zion, my holy mountain.” ( Psalm 2:6; 110:2) This no longer refers to the earthly Mount Zion, the geographical location of earthly Jerusalem, in which city human kings in the line of David used to reign. (1 Chronicles 11:4-7; 2 Chronicles 5:2) No, for Jesus, after his death and resurrection in 33 C.E., was installed as a foundation cornerstone on the heavenly Mount Zion, the celestial location where Jehovah determined to place the “city of the living God, heavenly Jerusalem.” Hence, “the Mount Zion” here represents the exalted position of Jesus and his joint heirs, who make up heavenly Jerusalem, which is the Kingdom. ( Hebrews 12:22, 28; Ephesians 3:6) It is the glorious royal situation to which Jehovah elevates them during the Lord’s day. Over the centuries, anointed Christians, as “living stones,” have earnestly looked forward to standing on that heavenly Mount Zion, united with the glorified Lord Jesus Christ in his majestic Kingdom.—1 Peter 2:4-6; Luke 22:28-30; John 14:2, 3.
4 John sees not only Jesus but the complete body of the 144,000 fellow heirs of the heavenly Kingdom standing upon the Mount Zion. At the time represented by the vision, many, but not all, of the 144,000 are already in heaven. Later in the same vision, John learns that some of the holy ones still have to endure and die faithful. ( Revelation 14:12, 13) Evidently, then, some of the 144,000 are still on earth. So how is it that John sees all of them standing with Jesus on Mount Zion? In that, as members of the congregation of anointed Christians, these have now “approached a Mount Zion and a city of the living God, heavenly Jerusalem.” ( Hebrews 12:22) Like Paul when he was still on earth, they have already—in a spiritual sense—been raised up to be in union with Christ Jesus in heavenly places. ( Ephesians 2:5, 6) Additionally, in 1919 they responded to the invitation, “Come on up here,” and in a figurative way “went up into heaven in the cloud.” ( Revelation 11:12) In view of these scriptures, we can see that all the 144,000—spiritually speaking—are located on Mount Zion with Jesus Christ.
The 144,000 have no part with the worshippers of the wild beast, who are marked with the symbolic number 666. ( Revelation 13:15-18) In contrast, these loyal ones have the name of God and of the Lamb written on their foreheads. No doubt John, a Jew, saw God’s name in Hebrew lettering, יהוה. In having the name of Jesus’ Father symbolically written on their foreheads, these sealed ones make known to all that they are Jehovah’s witnesses, His slaves. ( Revelation 3:12) Their having Jesus’ name also displayed on their foreheads indicates that they acknowledge being owned by him. He is their betrothed “husband,” and they are his prospective “bride,” “a new creation” serving God with heavenly life in view. ( Ephesians 5:22-24; Revelation 21:2, 9; 2 Corinthians 5:17) Their intimate relationship with Jehovah and Jesus Christ affects all their thoughts and actions.Thats the best I could do, and the rest up to you, weather you except this conclusion or not.

Is a last day message of the 3 angels for the world. This is for people to come out of "Babylon". That mean false doctrine and confusion. It is symbolic of the old testament "Tower of Babel" where God confused the worlds language.

IT IS the hour of God’s judgment! Listen, then, to the divine message: “And another, a second angel, followed, saying: ‘She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen, she who made all the nations drink of the wine of the anger of her fornication!’” ( Revelation 14:8) For the first time, but not the last, Revelation focuses attention on Babylon the Great. Later, chapter 17 will describe her as a voluptuous harlot. Who is she? As we shall see, she is a global empire, she is religious, and she is Satan’s counterfeit system that he uses in fighting against the seed of God’s woman. ( Revelation 12:17) Babylon the Great is the entire world empire of false religion. She includes all religions that preserve the religious teachings and practices of ancient Babylon and that manifest her spirit.
It was at Babylon, more than 4,000 years ago, that Jehovah confused the tongues of the would-be builders of the Tower of Babel. The different language groups were scattered to the ends of the earth, taking with them the apostate beliefs and practices that are the basis of most religions to this day. ( Genesis 11:1-9) Babylon the Great is the religious part of Satan’s organization. (Compare John 8:43-47.) Her most prominent segment today is apostate Christendom, which emerged as a powerful, lawless organization in the fourth century after Christ, with creeds and formalisms derived, not from the Bible, but largely from Babylonish religion.—2 Thessalonians 2:3-12.
. John is struck with wonderment at what he next hears and sees: “And one of the seven angels that had the seven bowls came and spoke with me, saying: ‘Come, I will show you the judgment upon the great harlot who sits on many waters, with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, whereas those who inhabit the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication.’”— Revelation 17:1, 2.
2 “The great harlot”! Why so shocking a designation? Who is she? Some have identified this symbolic harlot with ancient Rome. But Rome was a political power. This harlot commits fornication with the kings of the earth, and this evidently includes the kings of Rome. Besides, after her destruction, “the kings of the earth” are said to mourn her passing. Therefore, she cannot be a political power. ( Revelation 18:9, 10) Additionally, since she is mourned also by the world’s merchants, she could not picture big business. ( Revelation 18:15, 16) We read, however, that ‘by her spiritistic practice all the nations were misled.’ ( Revelation 18:23) This makes it clear that the great harlot must be a worldwide religious entity.
Which religious entity? Is she the Roman Catholic Church, as some have maintained? Or is she all of Christendom? No, she must be even larger than these if she is to mislead all the nations. She is, in fact, the entire world empire of false religion. Her origin in the mysteries of Babylon is shown in that many Babylonish doctrines and practices are common to religions around the earth. For example, belief in the inherent immortality of the human soul, in a hell of torment, and in a trinity of gods is to be found in most Oriental religions as well as in the sects of Christendom. False religion, spawned more than 4,000 years ago in the ancient city of Babylon, has developed into the modern monstrosity that is called, appropriately, Babylon the Great. Why, though, is she described by the repugnant term “the great harlot”?

Its a reference to alien intervention. Humans are created by fallens/aliens. Even in genesis the bible uses the word "gods" instead of God. Jesus came to help us find "God". With humans threatening to destroy the earth through greed, why wouldn't an alien force step in to try to wipe things out to start over, like with Noah etc etc. And ascension, doesn't that sound like being beamed up? Possibly those who make their robes white will be taken favor upon and saved, returned to the earth after a time of cleansing / purification.

This world has forgotten to give glory to the Lord above. Babylon is the fallen church of the Pope in Rome, because he and his church made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of their fornification. The Pope is the beast of Revelation 13. He is called VICARIVS FILII DEI = 112+53+501 = 666. The number 666 means three times the inadequacy of a person. Anyone who believes the faith of the Pope or does his will, will not be listed in the book of life. He will be thrown into the lake of burning sulfur at the end of the Judgement of God. You're right: Revelation 14:6-13 is called the Message of the 3 Angels and belongs to the end of times.

Here in the Psalms we read the situation of the 144000 saints during the 7 plagues in Revelation. This is the song of experience which is indeed a song like none other for it illustrates the unshakeable faith of these men and women who have come through the plagues unscathed because they trusted totally in God. May we all be a part of that group.
Psa 46:1 God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble.
Psa 46:2 Therefore will not we fear, though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea;
Psa 46:3 Though the waters thereof roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof. Selah.
Psa 46:4 There is a river, the streams whereof shall make glad the city of God, the holy place of the tabernacles of the most High.
Psa 46:5 God is in the midst of her; she shall not be moved: God shall help her, and that right early.
Psa 46:6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.
Psa 46:7 The LORD of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge. Selah.
Psa 46:8 Come, behold the works of the LORD, what desolations he hath made in the earth.
Psa 46:9 He maketh wars to cease unto the end of the earth; he breaketh the bow, and cutteth the spear in sunder; he burneth the chariot in the fire.
Psa 46:10 Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.
Psa 46:11 The LORD of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge. Selah.

Unlike the Brother above who thinks that God will save everyone, the bible says " Exo 34:7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation."

The song of Moses that is spoken of I think off hand is in Rev. 15 and that song that the Elect sing opens up in Deut.31 and the song it self is in Deut. 32 and it is good to go over it a few times and have knowledge of it.

There is NO MARK of the Beast." Count" the number 666 is the number of a man coming at,6th seal opened, your mind better know what occurs in the seals because when the 6th trump is sounded for action you won't be ready in your mind. No you will have the Mark of the beast in your hand because you were par-taking and promoting his system trying to lead Gods children into hell but at ,6th vial the Elect stand up and the Holy Spirit flows thru the Elect and all the children that love Gods word thru these children speaking His Words will turn away from that system and their god antichrist or instead of christ and as long as they are in the flesh before the 7th trump they will be saved.

the mark of the beast is a real mark

The 144,000 saints give the last message of warning to a dying world. The song they sing is the song of experience, of being disbelieved just like the Savior was when He came the first time.The great majority will reject the three angels message and the Lord will come upon them like a thief in the night. Why? Because they want salvation on their terms, not Gods, and fail to heed the warning. "fear God and give glory to Him for the hour of His judgement has come" This 3AM is the final Elijah message, we've had two other Elijah messengers. The figure of angels is used to show the power of the final warning. As for the mark of the beast, this is about worship(mind) and what we do with our hands(actions). Notice the description of the saints Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. The saints obey God, enabled to do so by the faith of Jesus. This means God's perfect law is written on their hearts and they would sooner die then disobey any one of the Holy precepts. The nominal Christian does not view the commandments as binding on us and doesn't mind a little change here and there in them to make it easier and more convenient. Hence when the mark of the beast is instituted as law, the saints will refuse to disobey God and worship a man instead of God. Here we have action based on the conviction Ecc 12:13 "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man."

The enemy is no man, woman or child. We are Lambs. We are Children of Light.

God never "turns his back" on anybody. Perfect God Desires for ALL to gain Eternal Life. Can any man make God a liar?

The "Whore of Babylon" delivers out to "Babylon" Earth's people via the "False Prophet" of Lying Deceits by the "Serpent": Iudgments of Damnation, Hatred, Sorrow, Fear, Controlling slavery, Demanding obedience, pains, illnesses, ALL SINS such as Pride, Gluttony, Vanity, etcetera and all of the things that deliver DEATH onto us Children of Light.

Those who point their fingers toward brethren while claiming that they're going to hell and they're not because they "have accepted Jesus Christ who is their Savior" DO NOT HEAR CHRIST.

The Spirit of Christ is ALL GOOD and has nothing to do with being in a special club where "believers go to Heaven" and everybody else goes to some kind of Eternal hell. The Idol Whoreship done in Jesus Christ's name and likeness are front row tickets to the show described above.

We are ALL Children of Light. The only enemy here is the Controlling Energy of Darkenese. You can't fight this enemy. You can only Overcome it.

ALL men and women are our "brethren" (in quotes only because women can't really be brothers, but that's not really the point here.)

HELPING HANDS PEOPLE. NO IUDGING OTHERS AS "BAD".