Discuss Revelation 14 Page 2

Thank you Jimbob for taking the time to pore through my submission, though I'm sorry that you weren't able to see what I see in the Scriptures. From the many other views we get on this subject, we see that we all can have our different Scriptures that show us how we should perceive these last days.

Even the Revelation 14:14-16 passage you quoted, referring to the harvest being the Church; if this is the Rapture, why then did the Church have to experience the previous judgements of God (in Revelation 6:1-17: Seal Judgements; Revelation 8:1-9:21: Trumpet Judgements). These can't be the ordinary, everyday turmoils that Earth's inhabitants face, but specific Judgements from God and then the sickle is struck for the harvesting (& of course, some are cast into the winepress of God's Wrath).

So brother, I don't want to continually rehash the earlier passages we've written about, as clearly we read these prophetical messages differently. My understanding is that the Great Tribulation of seven years (the last week seen in Daniel's prophecy), which includes God's Wrath in its various phases & intensities, will come after the Church is removed; even as promised to the Philadelphian Church in Revelation 3:10.

The anti-Christ (at least at the beginning of his reign of terror to his opponents), & the beginning of God's Judgements ( Revelation 6,8,9), assure our hearts that the Rapture of the Church can happen suddenly, without any signs to prepare for that day. The call is for our expectant joyous living & readiness now, as even the early Church was to urged to expect ( Philippians 4:5; 1 Thessalonians 5:6; Titus 2:13; James 5:8; Revelation 1:3) - not for our awakening when things begin to get very difficult in the course of the final seven years. The call was always for believers' readiness - we couldn't be in such a state if we know that much more needs to happen before the Lord's Coming/Rapture of the Church - death might overtake most of us before then.

Renee Olson:

Revelation 6:6 ...and see thou hurt not the oil and wine.

The OLD is a SHADOW of the NEW.

Numbers 18:12 All the best of the oil, and all the best of the wine, and the wheat, the FIRSTFRUITS of them which they shall offer to the LORD, them have I given thee.

Numbers 18:13 And WHOSOEVER is FIRST RIPE in the land, which they shall bring in to the LORD, SHALL BE THINE; everyone that is clean in THINE HOUSE shall eat of it.

Romans 8:23 Not only they, but WE OURSELVES, which have the FIRSTFRUITS of the Spirit ....

Revelation 14:4 ...being the FIRSTFRUITS unto God and the Lamb.

1 Corinthians 15:23 .....Christ the FIRSTFRUITS ......

Notice Christ the firstfruits is PLURAL.

Galatians 4:19 .....till Christ be FORMED IN YOU ....

Revelation 6:6 ....and see thou not hurt the oil and the wine (the firstfruits).

God Bless YOU!

I love truth. Not what men twist to satisfy lawlessness.

Sammi:

Christ constantly caught flack from his peers, he said we should expect the same thing.

You have ALREADY BEEN RESURRECTED.

John 11:25 ....I am the resurrection, and the LIFE .....

Revelation 20:6 Blesses and HOLY is he that hath part in the first resurrection ......

1 Timothy 6:16 Christ ONLY hath IMMORTALITY, dwelling the light (the presence of God, Abraham's bosom) ....

1 Corinthians 15:53 ...this mortal SHALL put on IMMORTALITY ---Christ only hath immortality ---

1 Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth it (the new creation, the born again) a BODY (you are the BODY OF CHRIST) as it hath pleased him (the Father), and to every SEED his (the Father's) OWN BODY (Christ is the body of the Father).

Ephesians 4:4 ONE BODY (man, Christ being the FIRST among many BROTHERS, joint heirs), ONE SPIRIT

Ephesians 4:5 ONE GOD and Father of ALL, above ALL, and through ALL, and in you ALL.

John 16:8 And when he (the spirit of Christ) comes (it began at Pentecost, the feast of the FIRSTFRUITS) he will reprove the world of SIN .....

John 16:9 Of SIN because they BELIEVE NOT ON ME -----I am THE LIFE, man is my BODY, man does what the will of God causes him to do ---

Romans 9:21 Hath not the POTTER (the spirit of Christ) POWER OVER THE CLAY (the potter's body) of the SAME LUMP to make one vessel (the potter's body) to HONOUR and another to DISHONOUR.

Luke 16:6 The law and prophets were until John: SINCE THAT TIME, the kingdom of God is preached, and every man PRESSES INTO IT.

Revelation 14:19 And the angel thrust his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great WINEPRESS of the wrath of God.

We are the grapes of the vine, and we have to be PRESSED to become the NEW WINE ---this is a parable ---

God Bless You as HE leads you to all truth.

J Vernon Mcgee.

Part 10.

In the very next chapter He sends them forth. Where does He send the laborers and what does He have them preach? He sends them to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, saying, "Go not to the Gentiles," and He instructs them to tell the nation of Israel that the King is here. That was their message. To what does the harvest refer? It refers to judgment and to the end of the age. That is the picture. An age begins by God sowing seed; it ends by the harvest of both good and bad.

Besides the parable of the sower, we have another parable in Matthew 13 in which our Lord speaks along this very same line of harvest and judgment. He says concerning the wheat and tares:

Let both grow together until the harvest; and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn. ( Matthew 13:30)

This is the end of the age, you see. Then notice verse 39:

The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the age.

At the end of the age comes harvest time. That is one reason I think it is valid to say that we are harvesting today - we are gleaning in the corners because we are at the end of an age. But let us understand one thing: We must sow before we can have a harvest. That is the reason I am insisting that our scriptural terms be accurate. Harvesting refers to judgment and the end of an age.

Notice another verse of Scripture dealing with harvest. It is a picture of the battle of Armageddon, one of the most frightful pictures in the Bible:

And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap; for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. ( Revelation 14:15)

See Part 11.

Psalm 75.

Once again; we see Asaph as he does quite often give a prophetic statement as to the fate of the earth in the end with several cross references of interest.

Verse 2 seems to be a veiled reference to the Rapture; or possibly those who are Jews that believe and survive to the end of the Tribulation in the reference to "when I shall receive the congregation I will judge uprightly. (see 2 Cor. 5:10; Exodus 20:35-38 in the context of Exodus 20:34 as a future event of gathering from the nations).

Verse 3 reminds us of heaven and earth passing away in Revelation 21:1-4 and Matthew 24:35).

Verses 4 through 7 remind us of the "little horn" ( Dan. 7:8) who is Antichrist himself. God allows Satan and his throne in the Tribulation to suit his purposes; ultimately to separate wheat from chaff; and to draw everyone together at Armageddon ( Rev. 19; Psalm 2).

Revelation 14:10 is much like verse 8 referring to the "wine of the wrath of God". That theme is also seen in Jeremiah 25:15-17; and similar themes in Isaiah and without a doubt in other scriptures.

Again the end of this Psalm shows that only praising God is worthwhile (v. 9) and right wins out in the end. That is basically a big theme in all of scripture; the meek shall inherit the earth ( Matt. 5:5).

Gigi,

I'm sorry, but you are mistaken. The resurrection tenants and time-line is specifically laid out in a particular order:

#1) The saints are resurrected first. They heal the earth alongside millions of mortals, great tribulation survivors, and at the end of the 1,000 years, God defeats the 3 evil spirits that make us behave cross towards one another. The saints are judged at the seventh trumpet, they are the first fruits of the 1st resurrection. You are implying at the 1st resurrection, Jesus is picking out souls for everlasting life, but it's the resurrected saints he's gathering prior to Revelation 14:1. 1 Thessalonians 4:17, Paul is referring to the saints only, not anyone else.

#2) The Great White throne Judgment, resurrection happens AFTER the 1,000 years, Revelation 20. This is the resurrection of the rest of humanity, the sinners, unbelievers, believers of false doctrine. This is my place, where I belong, you will find me amongst the sea of humble sinners, praying for redemption. Ezekiel 37:1-14, the valley of dry bones ALLEGORY of the 2nd resurrection where God had pity on the whole house of Israel and reestablished him at the last, Isaiah 14:1.

'Jesus has to prepare a place for us' is synonymous with Jesus creating a new heaven and new earth. The 1st resurrection saints will enter a totally destroyed world, Isaiah 24. The 2nd resurrection group will inherit paradise.

Hebrews 9:27 God set the parameters for entering the kingdom of heaven, part of it is to require a mortal death. Jesus Christ was the first example of being 'born again'. Jesus is the only man to live, die, having God resurrect him into everlasting life!

Please consider what I'm saying in accordance to the narrative of what Biblically occurs. I have 1 more intriguing post for you about the saints.

Alex,

The woman represents the 144,000 sealed saints in yet another allegory, to include the two witnesses (from another allegory), waiting to give birth to a man child; the child is Christ. This occurs between the sixth and seventh trumpets, when anti-christ kills saints, Revelation 11:7. The SAINTS PLIGHT are important, not the tricky esoterics that lead astray from the actual event being described. Tie down the allegories to the real life enactment.

At the seventh trumpet, Christ returns with His army of resurrected 144,000 saints, and no one else. There's no mention of the two witnesses because it's them standing on Mount Olive, Revelation 14:1.

"Impregnating" is another comparison, or analogy that mirrors the actual meaning. Two witnesses is another way of saying 144,000 from two houses (two men) of Israel.

Hi Earl,

While you didn't directly address the questions, your chosen response indicates you might believe the New Testament isn't literal and are just parables to you, is that correct? You quoted the old testament suggesting that you might think that's literal, however. Do you mind sharing how you came to this belief?

For the benefit of anyone else reading this there are plenty of verses in the Bible about the literal hell:

Luke 12:5 - But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

Matthew 5:22 - But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Revelation 14:11 - And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

2 Thessalonians 1:9 - Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Matthew 13:50 - And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Mark 9:43-48 - And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

Matthew 25:46 - And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Romans 6:23 - For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

etc

Do you believe Jesus literally is Lord and literally died on the cross for you?

Deborah:

Your question, who are the dead in Christ that rise first?

They were the Old Testament Saints, they died not having received the promise, eternal life through the resurrection of Christ Jesus.

When Christ was resurrected, they also were resurrected.

Matthew 27:52 And the graves were open; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

Matthew 27:53 And came out of the graves, after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, (NEW Jerusalem) and appeared to many.

They were caught up into the air, and when we depart this body of flesh, in the twinkling of an eye, we are caught up, as they were into the presence of God, because you are married to him and have become one with him.

Revelation 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a lamb stood on Mt. Zion, and with him an hundred and forty four thousand (symbolic, not literally 144,00), having his father's name written in their foreheads.

Revelation 14:4 ..... the are the firstfruits (of Christ resurrection) unto God and the Lamb.

Romans 8:23 And not only they (Old Saints), but ourselves also, which have the FIRSTFRUITS of the SPIRIT (life and truth in us) ....

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection .....

God Bless You!

Brother Paul:

New York City and every other city that has, and will exist, is the whore that rides the Beast, that includes you and I and everyone who has lived and is yet to live. All mankind is the whore, we're unfaithful to the word of God, until we are born of TRUTH.

The Beast is as real as it gets:

Daniel 7:7 ...and behold a forth beast........

The forth beast is the Kingdom of God. This Beast arrived when John the Baptist came preaching the kingdom of God.

Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time, the kingdom of God is preached, and every man PRESSED INTO IT.

Revelation 14:19 And the angel thrust his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great WINEPRESS of the wrath of God.

God is going to PRESS all mankind until:

Galatians 14:19 .... Christ be formed IN YOU.

God Bess You.

Hi Sally, Those who are alive and remain will all go thru what is called the great tribulation which is the just before "the day of the Lord" be it sinners or those who have been sealed by God.

Those who have been sealed by God make The First resurrection at that time, meaning they take on immortality which is the Goal/object for all who wish for eternal life. God makes exceptions for the 144,000 during this time for they lost their way but return to Him during that hour.

Those who did not get sealed by God, do not make the first resurrection and must go thru the 1000 year millennium naked and, ashamed, being ruled with an Iron rod by Jesus and His Zedok/Priest's but get another chance for immortality at the Great White Throne Judgement.

We talkin many subjects and objects here to answer Where does it say in the KJV Bible? for example Revelation 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the EARTH.

"Redeemed from the Earth" is to say those that lost their way but turned back to Him at that time, during that hour, hour of temptation.

Scripture on when we die: John 3:16, John 5:24, Romans 5, Romans 6, 2Corinthians 1:9,10, 2Timothy 1:10, 1Peter 3:18, Revelation 1:17,18

Luke 16:19-31, Matthew 25:31-46, Ezekiel 18:4-32, Luke 20:36-38, Hebrews 9:27-28, James 5:20, 1John 3:14,

John 11:25,26, Romans 8:13, Romans 8, Romans 14:8, 1Corinthians 15:22, 1Corinthians 15,

Revelation 14:12,13, Revelation 2:10,11, Revelation 20:6,13,14, Revelation 21, Revelation 22,

Hebrews 11:5,

Hopefully these are helpful

This is another reference to the 144,000 who appear to be translated or raptured as they appear before the heavenly Mt. Zion. They have the seal of God on their foreheads which they were given earlier to prevent the plagues from God to affect them ( Rev. 9:4). They are mentioned as "firstfruits" and they would be the last of a whole train of people in heaven from Christ ( 1 Cor. 15:23) until now. Those who will be with Him at His coming will include all the rest of the martyrs who would not take the mark of the Beast (see v. 9-11). There were general admonitions given by angels to worship God who created all things; as well as the fall of Babylon (the great city) which would be the ECONOMIC part of Babylon (i.e. the city running everything) which some say is Rome; others New York City; or possibly a future one in the Middle East. Since the term "is fallen" is stated twice in verse 8; it indicates that the spiritual Babylon system of false religion ALSO is overturned by the Beast at this time (as we wee in further detail in Revelation 17 and 18.

The warnings in verse 9 about not taking the mark of the Beast and eternal damnation also is preached by an angel. Verses 12 and 13 show those who will still die; and the "patience" of the saints. They will rest after their labors.

The rest of the chapter shows the judgment of the nations at Armageddon; and perhaps in the bigger picture with the bloodbath to come. Various angels are seen with sickles (v. 16 and 17) who are given instruction by the angel in verse 15. Verses 18 and 19 show those that are grapes; those who will be trodden by the wrath of the winepress of God ( Isaiah 63:3). It seems unclear if the angels in v. 15-17 are gathering the righteous (as it would seem from preceeding verses); or the wicked. There is the possibility that it would be those who will not fight in battle who are the tares. God isn't mentioned specifically or a heavenly view of saints; in general Matt. 13:30 will occur.

1Corinthians 7:15, please read all of chapter, 1Corinthians 7, Matthew 19, Revelation 14:4,5,

Hopefully helpful

Matthew 25:31-46, John 3:15,16,17,18,36, John 6:40,47, Romans 6:22, 2Thessalonians 1, Jude 1, Revelation 20:15, Mark 9:42-48, 2Peter 3, Revelation 14:9-19, Revelation 15:1-4, Revelation 19:20, Revelation 20:10-15, Revelation 21,

Hi Tracy,

The Truth is always found in the bible scripture.

Paul wasn't the first one, nor the only one who preached the Gospel to the Gentiles. According to Acts, Peter was the first to preach the Gospel to the Gentiles. Peter received a vision from the Lord and received a command to preach to the Gentiles in the house of Cornelius the gentile. The Gentiles were filled with the Holy Spirit and were baptized.

Also, I agree with sister GiGi the scripture teaches us that Paul teaches the same gospel as Jesus. Here are some additional Bible verses telling us that the "Gospel of The Kingdom of God" which is Jesus Christ's Gospel, was preached to the entire world.

Mark 16:15

"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature."

Mark 13:10

"And the gospel must first be published among all nations."

Matthew 28:19

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"

Acts 1:8

"But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth."

Revelation 14:6

"And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,"

Happy Sabbath Day, and God Bless!

Continued Hebrews 4

What is the Gospel message in it's entirety?

We are saved by grace through faith and sanctified by the Holy Spirit who changes our character and imputes Christ's righteousness to us so that we may be obedient to God's law - we cannot do it in own strength and we are not saved by doing it. We are motivated to do this firstly because we love God and then out of a consequence of being saved.

Revelation 14:12 describes God's people as follows ' Here is the patience of the saints, Here are they that keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus Christ'.

Keeping the Moral of Law of God does not save us, only Grace does. Revelation 14:12 tells of a people who faithfully endure to keep the commandments of God as an outcome of faith. Jesus says in John chapter 15:10 - 10If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Furthermore Paul clarifies the relationship between Grace, Law and obedience - Romans 6:1

1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?3Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

God's last day remnant people are also identified in Revelation 12:17 - And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Satan in these final days is waging one last mighty global war against God's law to establish his false kingdom, challenging God's authority and His last remnant children who keep the commandments of God and whose lives testify that they belong to Jesus which testify to His renewing power and miraculous changing of human character from one of being sin sick to

living in freedom in the spirit and obedience to God.

Continued Hebrews 4

The Moral law contains the Love and legal code God has for His Universe and beloved children. It is;

Written in stone by God's own finger - Exodus 31:18, Deuteronomy 4:12-13, 9:10

Has always existed & will be kept throughout eternity and throughout all the universe - Psalm 111:7,8, Romans 5:19 refers to Adam sinning in the Garden of Eden

Jesus said He did not come to destroy it but to fulfil it - Matt 5:17 - 19

Jesus said 'If you love me keep my commandments' John 14:15 and that 'He is the Lord of the Sabbath - Mark 2:28 - yet never mentions it being dissolved or changed

God's people are commanded to keep the Commandments of God for all eternity & God's people are identified by it because they keep it out of love to God and by faith - Exodus 19:5, Ecclesiastes 12:13,14, Psalm 111:7,8, Revelation 14:12, 12:17

Lives in the heart of God's children - Psalms 40:8

We are judged by them - James 2:12

Blessed with access to the Tree of Life if you keep them by faith - Revelation 22:14

Revelation 14:20

And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

Revelation 19:19

And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him (JESUS) that sat on the horse, and against his army.

Revelation 19:21

And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his MOUTH: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

[This passage uses the symbolism of grapes in a winepress to describe the eventual defeat of the wicked in the end times. As grapes are crushed and broken to release wine, the bodies of God's enemies will be smashed in a bloody defeat. Taken in absolutely literal terms, this verse describes a cascade of blood some five or six feet (2 meters) high and 180 miles (290 kilometers) long. Most interpreters see this as primarily symbolic. Some suggest that what's described is a 1600-stadia zone of carnage during battle, so violent that blood is splattered as high as the head of a horse.

Whether entirely or partly poetic, one thing is certain: this judgment creates a gory scene. Revelation 19:13 pictures Jesus as having blood on His robe as He rides into warfare against the wicked. Although some believe this is the blood Jesus shed on the cross, others see this as the blood of His enemies. The interpretation that it is the blood of His enemies is supported by the prophetic picture given in Isaiah 63:2-4. Jesus' defeat of His enemies at the end of the tribulation will be absolute and terrible.]

Revelation 14:20

Revelation 14:20,

Question: Why does the KJV in Revelation 14:9 use the wording "in your forehead" and "in your hand"? Other translations say "on your forehead" and "on your hand"?

Here are some scriptures to help you with deeper understanding I hope:

Matthew 24:3-51, Mark 13:5-37, 1Corinthians 15:41-58, 1Thessalonians 4:13-18, Psalms 97:2, Psalms 104:3, Joel 2:1-15, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Matthew 26:62-68, Mark 14:60-65, Revelation 1:7, 2Thessalonians 1:4-12, 2Thessalonians 2:1-17, Revelation 6:9-17, Revelation 7, Revelation 8, note Revelation 8:6 continues on through Revelation 9, & Revelation 10, Revelation 10:6-7, Revelation 14, note Revelation 14:12-20,

Matthew 25:31-46, Revelation 20:5, Revelation 20:12-15, Revelation 20, in context &

Revelation 1:5, Colossians 1:18,

Hebrews 6:1-3, Hebrews 11, Revelation 11:15-19, Acts 24:15, Mark 12:26-27, Luke 16:19-31

Hope these are helpful

Kay, you can keep better track of events within trumpets 5-6-7:

The fifth trumpet began tribulation: Rev 9:1-11 "Immediately after" comes the day of the Lord strike. The 144,000 saints are sealed from death, prior.

The sixth trumpet ( Mat 24:29) begins great tribulation: day of the Lord, Babylon falls; Ezekiel 21:1-5 both righteous and wicked are "taken"; Luke 17:34-37, the "taken" are dead, not raptured.

The seventh trumpet ( Mat 24:30-31) brings Jesus Messiah and his resurrected army of 144,000 saints to Mount Olive, Revelation 14:1

After the 1,000 years: 2nd resurrection.

There is no free ticket out. Too many confuse the saints' narrative with their own. Humans will leave the earth hanging from a thread, and they want right back in before the saints can clean it up? The McDonald pushed rapture doctrine is an aberration to the Word of God, yet so accepted in society. It's one of the first things a beginner learns; it's a mockery.

Spencer,

Do you think the 1st resurrection saints, Revelation 14:1, and elders, will be judged alongside the 2nd resurrection group, at the great white throne? Are they exempt, and weren't they judged in the twinkling of an eye at the 7th trumpet, 1,000 years earlier?

Rebecca, our pastors take Malachi 3:8 out of context.

If you read the previous chapters you will see they were tithing, but they were bringing the sick and lame and spoiled grains unto the priest as their tithe. The priest had no land inheritance, therefore the tenth of the harvest, the VERY BEST OF THE HARVEST, was theirs.

Only products of the land were tithed, salaries and works of man's hands were not tithed.

All of this was done as a shadow of the TRUE.

Christ is calling out the tithe or first fruits of the harvest now, in this age.

Malachi 3:3 And he (Christ) shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver, and he (Christ) shall purify the sons of Levi (the priest), and purge them as gold and silver, that they (the priest) may make offer into the Lord an offering of righteousness.

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood .....

1 Corinthians 15:23 But every man in his (God's) own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterwards they that are Christ's at his coming (CHRIST IN YOU).

Romans 8:23 ....which have the firstfruits of the Spirit ....

Revelation 14:4 ....being the firstfruits unto God an to the Lamb.

GBU

Hi Rose.

Thanks for your reply,

Here's what I interpret out of the verses you have given. When I look at Revelation 14:1. I take this to be the same 144,000 mentioned in Revelation 7:4. "And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel."

This group here is 144,000 out of Israel being sealed for service.

And Revelation 7:5-8, reaffirms that these are all Israelites. "No Gentiles"

The group in Rev. 5.9. is said to be the redeemed out of EVERY Nation of all sorts of people of the earth.

Revelation 5:9. And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood OUT OF EVERY KINDRED, AND TONGUE, AND PEOPLE, AND NATION; " This group is unnumbered "

Also the locations are different.

In Revelation 5 they're around the throne of God,

In Revelation 14:1. They're on mount zion. "Jerusalem. Psalms 2:6.

You said,

"(God said he chose )only 144,000 to reign."

I'm sorry but I don't see where " HE SAID HE CHOSE only "144,000 to reign on earth or in Heaven.

I see that you have a different view.

I just wanted to share mine.

God bless.

In this passage; it would seem that the "sanctified ones" who "rejoice in my highness" would be none other than God's Resurrected Saints arriving toward the end of the Tribulation; to follow in the destruction of Babylon following Christ's triumphant return where He alone will "trod out the grapes" as shown in Isaiah 63:3; and also indicated in Revelation 14:9. There are; no doubt preparatory stages for this; for even in the sixth seal judgment of Revelation 6:12 we see the knowledge of the peoples of the earth of the judgments of both the Father and the Son; and events similar to verse 10 of this chapter. Other verses such as verse 13 could be both seal judgment earthquakes and the later one which comes at Babylon the Great's destruction or indeed at Armageddon. It would seem that there is a destruction of a literal city first; then the whole world system later. Armageddon; the gathering together of all nations also will be associated with people from one end of the earth to another being killed at around the same time as well. Whether the USA is indicated; or what seems to be a new planned mega-city in the Arabian vicinity (30 times the size of New York City run by drones is the claim); we see a push in that region of the world for an ecumenical unification of the 3 monotheistic faiths in the cards being planned by the Pope and others in short order. Still other verses would seem to indicate that Israel's still greater prosperity in gold and silver; and worldwide trade is yet to come-this is probably bolstered further by the tremendous natural gas resources as yet untapped due to conflicting claims of ownership by surrounding nations. The recent Gulf States plans for economic cooperation with Israel and the Saudi's not far behind is another indication of the likelihood that the geographic region of ancient Babylon may once again become a reality as to being a major area of trade. In any event verse 11 and 12 show the worldwide end of the age judgment

I'm neither advocating nor discouraging the 'vaccine', but this one shot is not the devil's mark. Your dna is altered everytime you get a virus, travel for a long period/ long distance, and many other scenarios. I did choose to get the Pfizer vaccine after much research and consideration, but I chose it specifically because of its anti-androgenic properties, perfect for a woman past childbearing age, but I supported my older teen daughter not getting it for the same reasons. My mother chose a one-dose shot after almost losing my dad to Covid. It's an individual decision. My relationship with God is stronger than ever.