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Luke 23:42,43

And Jesus said unto (to) him, Verily I say unto thee (to you), To day shalt thou (you shall) be with me in paradise. ("Today" means john 3:16,17. that this criminal will be forgiven by means of his repentance and faith. he will live forever on earth by means of Jesus Christ one for all ransom sacrifice.)

Paradise is on EARTH:

Psalms 37:9-11,29,34

144,000 taken from earth will rule with Christ for 1,000 years

bringing the earth back to Jehovah's ( psalm 83:18) original plan:

Revelation 14:3; 20 Chapter

I hope this helps. Thanks

2 Timothy 3:1-7 Saids that we are living in the last days.

( Matthew 24 is a Key example of this pattern)



How can we tell?

1 This know (Know This) also, that in the last days perilous (Dangerous) times shall (Should) come.

2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves (Themselves), covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers (Not open to any agreement), false accusers, incontinent (lacking in restraint or control), fierce (Violent), despisers of those that are good,

4 Traitors, heady (Rash), highminded (Proud/ Arrogant), lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power (That is from God) thereof: from such turn away.

6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts (Various Desires)

Heaven: 1 Corinthians 6:9,10 (Will not inherit); Revelation 14:3 (Redeemed, Saved From Earth)

Adam,

The warning to not take the mark is specifically for the 144 thousand sealed saints. They are the only ones strong enough not to take the mark ( Revelation 20:4). God knows everyone else, Christian or not, will accept the mark during the great tribulation. This is human instinct to survive any way possible. Chapter 14 is for the saints.

( Revelation 14:9-11)

9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

There are Bible accounts you accept at face value, and others you don't accept at face value (more to it than meets the eye). If you don't understand who the immediate audience is, you will not gain full understanding. You will think it's directed at you, and say something like "I wouldn't take the mark", when in fact, you most certainly will take the mark. Most Christian's are weak as water and will clamor to take the mark. God knows the hypocrites, Christian's in name only will lose their religion for their bellies. Each claim must be proven in its measure, and this one has problems in its rhetorical design.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Glenn, thanks for your response: "If Jesus is coming here ,. An preparing for our Father to set up his kingdom, in Jerusalem, where is anyone being raptured to ? Where ya going ? I've heard of one rapture,.. but now 3 ? This is very confusing,.."

Precious friend, actually the confusion disappears when the THREE raptures "are LEFT In God's Contexts, Where HE Placed Them!" Amen? ie:

PRE-TOJT rapture:

(1) Body Of CHRIST Departure TO Heaven (Read/study Romans - Philemon) = God's 'Context' is ALL 'Spiritual!' We are not "looking for the man of sin/signs to enter into The Time of Jacob's Trouble." ( 2 Corinthians 5:7); We are "looking, watching, and Patiently waiting For CHRIST, Who Will Present ALL of The Body Of CHRIST, holy and unblameable and unreproveable, In His Sight, TO His Father, In Heaven, Where we Will Live Forever And Ever! ( 1 Thessalonians 3:13; Colossians 1:5, 22; 1 Corinthians 6:3; 2 Corinthians 5:1-2) Amen?

MID-TOJT raptures:

(2) During The Time {God's 'Context'} of JACOB's {ISRAEL's} Trouble, there Will Be TWO "raptures":

a) one departure is of the TWO witnesses, killed, resurrected, and taken up ( Revelation 11:1-12)

b) the other departure is of the 144,000 "sealed virgins of TWELVE tribes ( Revelation 7:1-8) redeemed from the earth," and were "without fault before The Throne of God!" ( Revelation 14:1-5)

Please refrain from listening to those who "MIX these up" in confusion. And:

Please Be RichlyEncouraged, Enlightened,Exhorted, and Edified In JESUS CHRIST!

( 2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship, today?)

Precious friend, Jesus Ortiz. Note: there are THREE future 'raptures.'

(1) God's Scriptures for The Great GRACE Departure {rapture} Of The Body Of CHRIST, BEFORE The Time Of Jacob's Trouble:

1 Corinthians 15:51-57

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 "falling away" = THE Great GRACE Departure "away from earth"

God's Scriptures for departures {raptures} DURING The Time Of JACOB's TROUBLE:

(2) Revelation 11:1-12

(3) Revelation 14:1-5

Precious friend, Jesus Ortiz, Please Be RichlyEncouraged, Enlightened,Exhorted, and Edified! ( 2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship, today?)

Please do not say that God will "rapture" the church out before the great tribulation, or anytime other than at the end. Does it make sense that at the great tribulation that God seals the saints on earth against anti-christ's rule, while "rapturing" out sinners because we profess to be Christian's? You are appointed one death. Do you think God would "rapture" billions of Christian sinners, and leave His elect to battle to the death with anti-christ? That notion is absolutely preposterous, non-Biblical and has zero chance happening. You are conflating doctrines with man-made ones that have no merit. You didn't study it let alone think it through.

The first resurrection ( Revelation 11:12) takes place at the seventh trumpet when the mystery of God is finished. "Raptured" Christians are not part of the army (saints) standing on the hill with Christ, they are no where to be found in Revelation 14:1. If you were "raptured" where did you go that you're not part of God's army? Misleading people about a pipe dream has drawbacks in the eyes of God. Stop perpetuating a popular, yet unsubstantiated lie through false faith and poisonous divination. Christian's that think too highly of themselves will be greatly disappointed when darkness comes. Both the righteous and the wicked will die like they have in previous wars. Know the order, and realize your place according to the grand scheme.

Sister Melody, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

God is SPIRIT.

Christ is SPIRIT (God) with a (glorified) BODY.

SPIRIT is TRUTH (cannot be deceived).

SPIRIT is LIFE (cannot die).

WE are FLESH.

FLESH is against (anti) SPIRIT.

FLESH is against (anti) TRUTH.

FLESH is against (anti) LIFE.

Christ came as FLESH, Christ died; and with his death ALL FLESH DIED, Christ (through the power of SPIRIT was resurrected), when he was resurrected ALL FLESH was resurrected (most are dead in UNBELIEF (trespasses) not knowing TRUTH.

The wages of sin (UNBELIEF) IS DEATH.

The wages of GO AND SIN NO MORE (BELIEF) is LIFE and TRUTH (born of SPIRIT).

Those that come to know TRUTH (born again of the SPIRIT; which is TRUTH AND LIFE, the first death and first resurrection) will NEVER DIE they will leave this BODY of FLESH and be given the (glorified BODY of CHRIST).

John 3:13 No man has ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of Man which is in heaven.

Christ (Spirit, Truth, Life) is IN YOU. You are the NEW HEAVEN.

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven.....

Revelation 21:3 ...Behold, the (temple, Christ is the temple) tabernacle of God is with (WITHIN) men..

Revelation 21:22... for the Lord God almighty and the Lamb are THE TEMPLE of it.

Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery.... CHRIST IN YOU ....

1 Corinthians 3:16 ....ye are the temple (ONE IN CHRIST) of God (SPIRIT).

Truth (Good)(Spirit) overcomes deception (Evil) (Flesh).

Truth will make you a full brother to Christ. SPIRIT with a (glorified) BODY.

Luke 20:36 Neither can they die ANY MORE (you died with Christ); for they are equal to the angels (MINISTERING SPIRITS), and are the children of God (Spirit, truth, life), being the children of (CHRIST'S) resurrection.

Revelation 14:13 Blessed are they which DIE IN THE LORD (Spirit, Truth, Life) from henceforth....

Earl,

The word torment used in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus is the Greek word BASANOIS. The meaning from Greek to English would pretty much be the same as what we would understand torment to be. Whether it is mental anguish or physical torment, I think it can be both. It seemed to be both for the rich man. He seemed to be in a state of mental torment knowing that his family members (brothers) would soon be in this same place unless someone went to warn them. We also know that he was in physical torment, wanting the tip of his tongue to be cooled. Can you imagine that? Here is a man in physical torment and all he asks is for the tip of his tongue to be cooled. He didn't ask for someone to throw him a rope so he could get out!

We also know that there is a place of eternal torment called the lake of fire. To tell you how the word torment is used in other verses would take a tremendous amount of time and space. That's a huge favor. I don't mind sharing my understanding with you but I'm not sure I want to tackle that one. The short answer is that the word torment means pretty much the same in English as it does in Greek.

For the rich man in Hades, he's still in torment. One day he will be released, judged at the Great White Throne Judgement, and then cast into the lake of fire, a place of eternal torment.

Sorry I couldn't give you more. If you want the verses to look them up, here are the ones I found:

Matthew 8:29, Mark 5:7, Luke 8:28, Luke 16:28, 1 John 4:18, Revelation 9:5, Revelation 14:11, Revelation 18:7, Revelation 18:10, Revelation 18:15

Precious Cowboy, no need to be sorry, thanks for stating your view. According To The Scriptures, The Age Of God's GRACE Has NOT Ended yet, With God removing ALL of HIS "ambassadors" ( 2 Corinthians 5:20) To Heaven, BEFORE Declaring War/Judgment/Wrath on an UNbelieving world. The Body Of CHRIST has Already had almost 2000 years of tribulation, but will BE COMFORTED At The Great GRACE Departure To Glory ( 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18). Amen? HIS Gospel Of GRACE Will End so that the Everlasting gospel of the kingdom can be preached during the "Time Of Jacob's {ISRAEL's} TROUBLE":

Which Gospel Makes Way For Which Gospel?

In The Revelation Of The MYSTERY, Paul preached The Gospel of GRACE, Which Is:

JESUS CHRIST, The SON Of God, Freely Gave HIS Life As A Sacrifice For our sins. HE Was Crucified, Buried, And Rose From the dead on the third day! ( 1 Corinthians 15:3-4). Paul wrote in ( Galatians 1:8) that if anyone, Including "AN ANGEL FROM HEAVEN, ... preach any Other gospel unto you than That Which we have preached unto you, let him Be ACCURSED!" Thus we know that this present predominantly Gentile church Must Be Removed {PRE-TOJT} to Allow the worldwide preaching of the gospel of the kingdom that Paul did Not preach to us...

Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From "Things That DIFFER!":

...Making Way For HIS [Everlasting] gospel of the kingdom!:

JESUS Said in ( Matthew 24:14) "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come." The gospel of the kingdom was "... Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!" ( Matthew 4:17).

When The MYSTERY Ends, And, God Resumes HIS Prophetic Program, The Everlasting gospel of the kingdom Will be preached by 144,000 "sealed" Jews, TWO powerful witnesses, AND, by an angel ( Revelation 14:6)

Conclusion: How can The Body Of CHRIST "enter Into JACOB's Trouble, with The Gospel Of GRACE," And, this angel NOT "be ACCURSED, preaching a DIFFERENT Gospel"? Amen?

Only the wicked and unrighteous will be in the fire. You are saved if you obey all 10 commandments and believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God. Look in revelation 14: 12. Paul had referred to christions in the churches he wrote to as saints.

Yes if someone was save they can fall if not repent they are not saved. We must repent to the Lord. Only the lord knows what is in people's hearts. Look at 1 samual 16:7.

I hope this helps my friend. God bless.

God is the same today as was in the old testament.

He gave his laws to guide us, teach us and to help us remember Him as our Creator.

Lucifer, the light bearer, decided to take the place of our Creator. He took one third of the angles to believe him. He also wants to claim the earth. His wants to destroy our connection to our Creator by destructing our attention, destroying the Word of God(or changing it) and through persecution of people who follows God's comment.

God says, "Keep my commandments"

Any one who teaches different is the Antichrist. Which means, only you could follow God's Word or by not following, becoming Antichrist.

Anyone who wants to follow Christ, will find opposition and persecution.

The christians were persecuted, they couldn't worship God: so many came to America. Is it possible that the Beast rising up from the Earth is America?

Do Americans have freedom today as was 100-200 years ago?

Maybe things are changing, not for better.

However our faith is in God, who gave proof of His love towards us, humans by sending his Son, Christ to us. Have faith in God and his Son, Jesus Christ.

Tis gets interesting:

( Revelation 5:9-11) alludes to the 144k reigning on the earth.

9 And they sung a NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;

*ten thousand times ten thousand = 100k, and thousands of thousands = 44 = 144k

( Revelation 14:2-4) confirms it's the 144k from Revelation 5.

2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

3 And they sung as it were a NEW SONG before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Now the question becomes, what are the 144k doing at the seal opening when they themselves are sealed much later, before the day of the Lord, ( Revelation 7)? I notice a lot of 'first shall be last and last shall be first' patterns in Revelation. I got a feeling that that's what's happening here, it is esoteric. A grand mystery always unfolding.

Dianne,

Look at this piece of the mystery, then tell me about it.

Revelation 7 begins with the 144K being sealed for 42 months (vs 4), immediately after this (vs 9) 42 months have passed, and the 144k are in heaven (vs 14). These 144k are the only firstfruits ever spoken of. Their purpose is far greater than what they are given credit for simply because they are concealed in allegory.

( Revelation 7:4) And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

vs 9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with WHITE ROBES, and palms in their hands;

vs 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Two witnesses are the 144k in heaven ( Revelation 11:12) ( 1 Thessalonians 4:17) ( Revelation 14:1-4)

There's more to reveal between the 144K and the fifth seal saints:

( Revelation 6:9-11) And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 And WHITE ROBES were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

A little season = fifth seal-seventh trumpet

( Revelation 7:13) And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in WHITE ROBES? and whence came they? (fellowservants)

144k = ( Revelation 7:15)

Brother Jesse, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

1 Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are ASLEEP, that you sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

Romans 13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of SLEEP: for now is our salvation nearer than when we first believed.

1 Thessalonians 4:14 For we believe that Jesus died and arose again, even so them also which SLEEP in Jesus will God bring with him.

1 Thessalonians 5:6 Therefore let us NOT SLEEP, as do others; but us watch an be sober.

1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are ASLEEP.

1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the DEAD IN CHRIST shall RISE FIRST (first resurrection)( Revelation 20:5):

Revelation 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead that DIE IN THE LORD from henceforth .....

I BELIEVE this is the FIRST DEATH and the first resurrection also describe in 1 Thessalonians 4:16.

I BELIEVE the ONLY one that hears this shout and trumpet is the one being CALLED to take part in the first resurrection. I come as a thief in the night. If everyone heard, it would no be as a thief.

Hebrews 9:27 It is appointed unto men to die..I BELIEVE this is the same death in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 and Revelation 14:13...but after this the judgement.

I BELIEVE this judgement is by God's WORD; both written and living, on those that have their part in the first resurrection. 1 Peter 4:17

I BELIEVE 1 Thessalonians 4 is about those that take part in the first resurrection and are present with Christ upon his return at the second resurrection.

What difference is there in the snatching up, whether it be one at a time or collectively.

1 Thessalonian 4 purports a seventh trumpet resurrection of both dead and surviving sealed saints, coming out of the great tribulation. Since this occurs 42 months AFTER the abomination of desolation, it nullifies such beliefs; it proves the notion and timing of a "rapture" is unsound. The saints were not taken up BEFORE the abomination of desolation, but only at the seventh trumpet, 42 months later. You would want to be "taken" before the great tribulation, not after.

Since 1 Thessalonian 4:17 occurs at the last trumpet, equivalent to Revelation 11:15, it is the first resurrection of the sealed saints only. The dead rise first before the living, therefore this is a small, treasured group of people, and not the whole group. Revelation 14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Zion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand...These sealed saints overcame the beast and his mark, they are virgins who will rule with Christ for 1K years. Who among us can be described like that, and who will make it to the end alive?

IT IS NOT Ezekiel 37:1-14 either (2nd resurrection), because here BOTH houses of Israel (Israel & Judah) are being resurrected and stand up as the WHOLE HOUSE of Israel. AND THEY'RE ALL DEAD!!!

This "lifting up" event is misinterpreted so badly, seeing that billions and billions of Christian sinners will require a new earth and new heaven to accommodate them all. Everyone involved should humble their place in line. Counting yourselves among the Revelation 14:4 saints is rather precarious, indeed. Does man immediately deserve to stand alongside the elect saints, and Jesus Christ?

Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. The second resurrection is for the rest, other than the elect, of which the majority are not. When the fast bullets fly, we will get a new perspective on Hebrews 9:27.

Sister Kimberly, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Romans 14:8 For whether we LIVE, we LIVE unto the Lord; and whether we DIE, we DIE unto the Lord: whether we LIVE therefore, or DIE, we are the Lord's.

John 6:20 This is the bread that cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and NOT DIE.

John 11:26 And whosoever LIVETH and BELIEVETH in me shall never die. BELIEVEST THOU THIS?

Luke 20:36 Neither can they DIE any more (because they DIED with Christ on the cross): for they are EQUAL to the angels; and are the children of God, being the CHILDREN OF THE RESURRECTION.

Revelation 14:13 ....Blessed are the dead which DIE IN THE LORD from henceforth....

1 Corinthians 15:26 The last enemy to be destroyed is DEATH.

Christ resurrection DESTROYED DEATH. (For those that BELIEVE)

John 8:51 Verily, Verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my sayings, he shall NEVER SEE DEATH.

Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto to you, There be some STANDING HERE (this was 2000 years age), which SHALL NOT TASTE OF DEATH, till they see the Son of man coming into his kingdom.

Colossians 1:27 ...THIS MYSTERY....CHRIST IN YOU....(The First SON OF GOD)

1 John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath LIFE; and he that hath not the Son HATH NOT LIFE.

Do these scriptures imply that we sleep and await and appointed time; or has our APPOINTED time ARRIVED upon the death of this earthly body.

You don't go to heaven; you BECOME a SON OF GOD. OMNIPRESENT not confined to one location or place.

Listen to those saints belt out a new song:

Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

Revelation 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundredandfortyandfour thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

Revelation 15:3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellousarethy works, Lord God Almighty; just and truearethy ways, thou King of saints.

OSEAS,

You didn't answer my questions. You said I was "wrong" about the 2 witnesses, but not why. You had to Google it, I recognized the script you copied. Therefore, I will answer the questions for you:

The 144K are the church, they are Christ's bride. The 2 witnesses, the two candlesticks & two olive trees, the woman from Revelation 12, are all symbolism, metaphors, and allegory describing the 144K. The 2 witnesses and the 144K have the same mission, within the same time frame. You still can't make the connection?

( Psalms 52:8) But I am like a green olive tree in the house of God: I trust in the mercy of God for ever and ever.

A single nation was an olive tree. A nation divided became two olive trees, two houses, two witnesses.

Below are 5 scripture depictions of the 144K on route to or in heaven. After being called up to heaven, the firstfruits are gathered for their judgment. The 144K "witnesses" are judged and resurrected in the twinkling of an eye. Look how the Rev 7 & Rev 11 stories parallel each other.

( Revelation 11:12) And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

( Revelation 7:9) After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;



( Revelation 7:14)...These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Revelation 14:1-4

Revelation 20:4

Can it get any clearer? The 2 witnesses die, and no sooner do they appear in heaven as the coveted 144K. I have no idea where you stand, but, If you're going to dismiss my interpretation, the burden is on you to back it up with facts. Can you post your own ideas about the 2 witnesses for me to review?

OSEAS,

Please explain why the two witnesses are not sealed, neither in Revelation 7 What will they do for 42 months?

Please explain why the 144K are sealed? What will they do for 42 months?

You said only the two witnesses die in the street, and not the 144K?

Then why are the 144K standing in front of the throne, resurrected?

( Revelation 14:1-4)

1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Zion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

AND AGAIN IN REVELATION 7 we see the 144K getting sealed, and immediately afterwards the same 144K are seen in WHITE ROBES in heaven, after being redeemed from the great tribulation in vs 13-14.

13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

The two witness and 144K are one in the same. The two witnesses are SYMBOLIC of themselves.

God's book fooled you. Allow the Bible to define itself, not some copy n' paste internet article. I strongly believe that you owe me an apology for explaining away this issue as if my assertion was ill-conceived.

Mishael,

"When Jesus returns, all believers in caskets will come open, meet Jesus in the clouds and receive their glorified bodies."

That is literally 25 billion Christians resurrected to everlasting life, which is impossible. The number is a much smaller remnant. The elect.

How do you know the scriptures aren't holding back information, conflating the resurrections? God is not going to give us the keys without effort, you have to prove what you believe. People are dead set on Moses and Elijah being the two witnesses, but try and talk them out of it. Revelation is a esoterical book where you'll find the first verse is the last verse and the last verse is the first verse. I have yet to hear a sound explanation for the mass exodus you describe, as that's not the order. I used to think the same way until I applied reasoned distinctions.

This first "rising", at the last trumpet, is designated for the sealed saints, after the great tribulation. I don't trust that all 144K die in the street; those of them found alive will be taken up (1 Thessalonian 4:17). The firstfruits are the resurrected saints of Revelation 14:4, in heaven. They are the same as those sealed in Revelation 7, and protected in 12. The rest of the dead slept for the thousand years. A day is a thousand years to God.

The rest of the dead at the second resurrection will awake as usual, not knowing 1,000 years have passed.

Sissy, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

This body (soul) of flesh we now live in can never inherit the next life.

Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine...... the soul that sinneth it shall die.

ALL MANKIND IS CHRISTS; we are his creation, it is his good pleasure to do with us as he DESIRES.

WE REBEL (that we are his possession) through UNBELIEF; he brings judgement upon us to CAUSE us to AGREE with him.

All this is a process to RECREATE us into a NEW creature that can inherit the NEXT LIFE.

No greater love has a man than to die for his brother.

Christ DIED for us, his brothers and sisters.

NOW do we AGREE to DIE for CHRIST, our brother, so he can CREATE in us a NEW LIFE that can live in the next world or will it take MORE JUDGEMENT for us to AGREE.

If we AGREE now (first resurrection) to DIE IN THE LORD; then, we never die and don't go through the next judgement (second resurrection).

Revelation 14:13 ....Blessed are the dead (in trespasses) which die IN THE LORD from henceforth.....

John 6:50 This is the (living) bread that came down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and NEVER DIE.

Brother Richard, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

I BELIEVE; also, in Christ is THE LIFE, you never die. Contrary to this you die. The wages of sin (UNBELIEF) is death.

John 18:24 I say therefore unto you, you shall die in your sins: for if you BELIEVE NOT that I am HE (LIFE, WAY, TRUTH) you shall die in your sins.

John 6:50 This is the bread that cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof and NEVER DIE.

John 11:26 And whoever liveth and believeth IN ME shall never die.

Revelation 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Blessed are the dead (we are dead in our trespasses) which die IN THE LORD from henceforth; Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may REST (in Christ) from their labours; and their works (of Christ in you, LIFE) may follow them.

I BELIEVE there are two deaths: now in Christ or later in Christ (second death)

I BELIEVE there are two resurrection: now in Christ or later in Christ at the second resurrection.

I BELIEVE there are two judgements: now in Christ (spiritual FIRE) or later in Christ (spiritual FIRE) at the second resurrection and second death.

The word says the wicked want live out half their life (the ONLY life is CHRIST); we don't see this now so possibly it means they will lay in the grave for a long time, or judgement in Christ will be much longer than we go thru in our short lifetime or both.

God bless the WORKS OF CHRIST.

while believe that Jesus is coming back., i have been a Christian for some time and when it comes to the book of revelation we must try to read and study it in its proper context, because a whole lot of crazy ideas have come out i have heard that Russia was the beast, that America was the beast and so on what that old prophecy way back about Jesus coming back in 1988 and so on.....you have pretrib, midtrib, post trib beliefs....now you folks coming out saying the vaccine is the mark....we need to stay away from conspiracy's as much as possible because it breeds fear and confusion......and God is not the author of confusion but love and a sound mind.

Joe Pickett,

Peter wrote in 1 Peter 5:13, "The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son.

He says the church that is in Babylon, and that's a cryptic word for the church in Rome where he wrote the letter from, so if the letter got intercepted, the believers in Rome would not be punished.

The United States is never referred to as Babylon.

Jesse,

I have a few things for you:

1) The "last week" prophesy is split between a span of 2,000 years.

It's not 7 consecutive years, but 2 prophetic, 3.5 year segments, drawing on each other.

This is the Order:

-Jesus Christ received the first half of the week during his ministry (3.5 years), THEN,

-At the sixth trumpet antichrist receives the second half of the week (3.5 years) = 7 years total.

-At the seventh trumpet Jesus returns to rule the earth for 1,000 years.

2) ( 1 Thessalonians 17) "Being snatched away" and other like scriptures is only about the 144K, they are the only ones standing with Christ on Mount Olives ( Revelation 14:4), they are the only ones standing in front of the throne after being resurrected ( Revelation 11:11). The 144K are practically treated like Christ, because they are the bride.

( Revelation 20:4-5)

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Do you see how the 144K came out of the great tribulation (saints), and the rest of the dead slept (us)? The first resurrection is solely for the first fruits, who are with Christ for 1,000 years.

3) The 144K are not Jews, they are Christians of 12 tribes; even the 3 tribes of Judah are Christians worshiping Christ. The 144K are referred to as The house of Israel (Christians), not house of Judah.

The end-time scriptures uncover the mystery of the end, tied in to the OT prophets. The Bible reveals hidden secrets, they're there for the taking. Let me know of any end-time event questions you have, I will be here to help.

Hi Joe Picket ,people have different ideas about Babylon in Revelation ,a lot of people ,including me ,believe its Rome ,the empire and catholicism ,from memory it sits on 7 hills ,which the city of Rome does ,im sure some one some where will have a different idea and hopefully they will share it with us all .

The Babylon in revelations seems to be another location beside the middle east.

This partial verse requirement has devastated the Catholic church:

Revelation 14:4 "These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth...."

Priests do not have the carnal tools to be saints. Barring priest from marriage creates bondage of urges. Marriage is healthy therapy for life, and not to be forbidden.

Beautifully put Richard in Christ

There are many deceptions in the world. Like you said regardless of what we will face we must be ready and hold to our faith with all our might and prayer and be led by the Holy Spirit and trust what Jesus said. The first thing Jesus said to the four disciples when they asked Him about the end of the age was "take heed that no man deceive you".

There is an hour coming and we that are still here will be tempted with death or the mark, and if we hold fast by faith, to the promise we who are His, have been given in Jesus, eternal life with Him, He will give us the strength to face it. But I fear if the faith is the hope of being spared tribulation, many will be overtaken by the temptation, may God forbid.

Revelation 3:10-11 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

Revelation 14:12-13 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

Thank you Richard.

Revelation 7 Explained:

Even if you have read Revelation 7 hundreds of times, you may not have noticed something peculiar. After the tribes are sealed, vs 1-8, time skips forward 3.5 years, showing the same 144K resurrected and standing about the throne.

9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Revelation 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. These are the firstfruits who will serve a thousand years with Jesus Christ.