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You are spot on brother!

Comment by Allen on Genesis 9:24 concerning Noah and the curse on Canaan is the first and only comment I have ever seen of MANY other attempts to explain this verse, which seems correct to me. I ALWAYS had assumed that Noah's YOUNGER SON was meaning the same thing as YOUNGER GRANDSON since that is who he cursed, Canaan, the younger of Ham's four sons. Also, if Noah would have been talking about Ham it would have simply read SON instead of "younger son" which also would not fit well due to the fact that Ham was the middle son, NOT the younger son. And finally, we learn that it was AFTER all the covering up had occurred that Noah awoke, so he did not even know that Ham had done anything wrong. It never says anywhere that Ham DID anything wrong. He could have glanced and then immediately turned away and went to tell his brothers to figure out what to do and the other two brothers had a good idea. No harm. BUT... when Noah awoke, he KNEW what had been done to him. That is key. Surely, we can assume that if he knew WHAT had been done to him, then by the assignment of the curse, he also seemed to know WHO did that to him... whatever it was. I also liked the comparison Allen made that JESUS is called the son of David, when actually he was the grandson of David. Language was a bit different back then. And any stories about the "sin of Ham" are a lazy reader's myth. So when Noah woke up, he knew what had happened and assigned the punishment to the guilty one, Canaan... period.

Does anyone know where the Pretrib Rapture is in the Bible ?

I can not find it , I only find the 1st resurrection and the coming of Christ our hope on the last day . As Jesus said .

I was taught it and believed it until I read the Bible for myself ! And low and behold it's not there in word or event , unless you can twist scriptures out of context , but then we could have 300 denominations if that was done .

Cathy (& Karcelia) you're both so right. When the foundation is weak & not in prepared soil, the building will crack & collapse.

Most without the love of God in their hearts, have as their foundation the welfare & happiness of the mother rather than the embryo or unborn child. Why? The embryo is only that, an embryo - even though there may be life there, it is still something less than human, they say. The welfare of the mother is more important as her usefulness is greater to her family & society.

Those who love the Lord & know His Will, regard every human life in every stage of its development, as special & precious & to destroy that life is murder & so the destroyer stands before the God Who gave life & a life's Plan to that child. In our quest to enjoy life in both intimate & non-intimate environments, we pay little heed to the outcomes of our thoughts & actions. And so the verse seems most applicable: "every man did that which was right in his own eyes" ( Judges 17:6). It was no longer what God required of them & us but what we deem as correct & warranted based on our desires - and as you said, this folly is increasing in greater measure in the world around us.

To abort a child prior to 20-22 weeks as acceptable, is still murder. Will any government propose that it should be when both sperm & ovum unite is when life is created? Unfortunately, most don't accept that life commences before that point, even though it is clearly seen in the laboratory. Is the embryo then likened to an ant which we could step on & extinguish, giving it little further thought? How will mankind stand before God in that day? What excuse will he give or can he give? God's Righteousness will blow open the inherent wickedness deep within his heart & manifest all that has been covered over for the sake of happiness & expediency.

The LORD is high above all nations, and his glory above the heavens.

Who is like unto the LORD our God, who dwelleth on high,

Who humbleth himself to behold the things that are in heaven, and in the earth!

He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth the needy out of the dunghill;

That he may set him with princes, even with the princes of his people.

He maketh the barren woman to keep house, and to be a joyful mother of children. Praise ye the LORD. ( Psalm 113:4-9)

I am also in my seventies, and I agree with you. People are twisting the words in the Bible to make them mean what they wish them to mean. I have lived through some tough times, but I have never seen evil coming against families and good people in general as what is happening now. My mother always taught us that we are to pray without ceasing, and we surely need to do so.

What does Mathew 24:20 mean about flight in the winter and on Sabbath?

James 1:9? Did you read Revelation before making a comment?

To Learn Love, is to keep our Fathers Words. We meditate on His Kingdom in Spirit and truth and we seek His Righteousness before anything else. We Lift up our Lord Jesus and He draws all men unto Him. No man knows the hour of our Lord and indeed He comes like a theif in the night. When our Father reveals his Love as 1cornthians 13 says , You shall know and be known. Behold Jesus becomes Faith! , because faith is the evidence of things not seen...but now we see clearly ! It is no longer a dark glass but it it face to face! This is being entered into our Gods Kingdom, when the Father, the Son and His Spirit make their abode within you. May we seek JESUS JESUS JESUS , There is nothing too hard for our God

regarding abortion--I too--am against it--but I have friends whose views are totally different--just yesterday, my neighbor & I were discussing this--she said she was for abortion--she knew two young girls whose lives would have ben ruined if they had not had an abortion. I questioned her--I said--how do you know that? So many times we let our emotions rule against God's Word. I just hit 70--and I have watched the racial injustice increase--the lifestyles decrease--it seems like we are on a watered down path--anything goes--as long as it feels right to you.

Alex comments about the trinity ( the Kingdom ) sit thou at my right hand etc. Jesus said these things are HID from the wise and prudent but revealed unto BABES th babes and the sucklings he mentions are his Children th GRANSONS that come out of his seed the word his breath etc his breath was his word his seed etc ya remember he said the good seed are the CHILDREN OF THE kINGDOM which are HIS Children,Behold me and the CHILDREN the LORD has given me are they not for signs and wonders to Israel. Thus you cannot understand the Godhead the trinity without the Child which is the H.G. the Child of PROMISE THE GRANSON the Israel of God ( THE ISRAEL THAT COMES OUT OF Christ seed ) Ya gotta realize that CHRIST sows a much greater seed then Abraham,But if we be in CHRIST WE ARE ABRAHAMS/GODS SEED ETC.Now are we the sons of God etc. Ya gotta realize that the abrahamic trinity is beautiful picture of the heavenly trinity, Just as Abraham offered up Isaac God Almighty offered up Christ JESUS,that ram caught in the thicket by his Horns was Christ and his crown of thorns,When they saw that crown of thorns on his head they remembered the ram caught in the thicket by his horns thats y keep saying the Abrahamic trinity was just a picture of the heavenly trinity. Abraham issac and Jacob answers to the FATHER SON AND THE H.G thats y ISAIAH mentions a heavenly Jacob so many times, not ABRAHAM OR ISSAC BUT JUST Jacob, the sun nor the moon nor any heat will lite on him simply he is spirit the H.G. an Israel of God. ok lemme go

When I was 12 yrs old, we heard of girls that got pregnant out of wedlock; and either went to a relatives house to have the child and let it be adopted.

Or, women went to un-wed mothers homes to give birth and release the baby to be adopted.

Enter the 60's and free, unrestrained sexual sin. It was like living amongst rabbits on LSD. Grandparents had to raise their grandchildren.

A decade later, abortion was legalized and the unwed mothers homes disappeared.

Homosexuals came out of the closet

Another decade, AIDS appeared and was declared a pandemic by the CDC, but didn't do anything about it.

Following decade lesbians decided to live reckless and large too.

2000's, they all want to be families with children.

Now, they all demand to live married and force society to accept their standards in public schools.

I've seen all this happen. Christians need to hang out in their state legislatures and scream for CHOICE to put their children in Christian schools!!

We have to live here until Jesus comes to get us. It's up to us to protect our rights too. I'm even favorable to home schooling.

Our kids can grow up more intelligent because they will not be slammed in their emotional life with the loose morals of an evil generation that has Declared WAR on children (all ages).

Now the sex traffickers are kidnapping Christian children and teens. How many will just disappear on Halloween this weekend? Will we even see those stories on evening news?

We are to GO YE to the world in our cities; our neighborhoods. Take the gospel to them. Don't let the world preach "their gospel of death, despair and sexual depravity, into our homes.

We have to teach the Bible to our kids age 3 and up. There is no reason to let them watch secular tv as a babysitter! Drop Netflix and get PureFlix !!!

Stop Compromising! Half Christian and half ?? We spend big bucks on MEDIA. It's the gospel of SATAN. Why are we so weak?

Be strong. Get wisdom. Be fearless.

The days of statesmen leaders are long gone: you know the days way back in political history, when a few men governed by their consciences, in the fear of God & instilling righteousness in society. Nowadays, political muscle & job security take precedence over doing what is right & so governments give support to the majority voice & just enough bait to the minority to keep them happy. In my mind, any imbecile could do that work - it doesn't take any skill to work with the numbers. But it would take one of character (both as an individual & party) to go against the tide of people's demands & act upon proper moral & ethical values & for the general good of all: those still in the womb & in the world. But the fact is that such a party would never get in, as the evil one has his say & sway in the hearts of the unregenerate & degenerate.

Yet, even with such a bleak outlook for the future, we know that God will still have His final Word & that even through our wonder & despondency, He still uses such governments to fulfil His Plans. 2 Kings 14:26-27 reminds us that even with wicked Jeroboam, God could use him to bring Israel out of her bitter affliction - that all things are possible with God. We should pray for those in government ( 1 Timothy 2:1-3) & be as those who that stand in the gap, interceding for them who have not God's love & power in their lives ( Ezekiel 22:30).

What I don't understand about the pro-death argument is how a Christian can justify the mass-murder of babies when there's clear Bible verses that an unborn baby is sacred and made in God's image.

My only guess as to this position is thinking of special cases of rape or incest. But adoption is still the best alternative in any case if a mother doesn't want to be one. Barren moms and dads can pay thousands of dollars and wait many years to adopt, because other moms would rather kill their baby than let he/she have a loving adoptive family to raised in.

It doesn't make sense how it's illegal to kill an unborn animal like an eagle egg or many other animals or harming plants too, but it's legal to kill an unborn human and the government will even help you pay for it. Does that make sense to anyone?

I do not support abortion, nor any act that inflict pain and suffering on God's creation, that includes animals .

Just Live your conscience, and participate in our Country's process to make those views public and Heard.

I was confronted today by a 20yr old telling me, a 60++ yr old, that she had just voted the first time. Then she sorta ranted about how all the 20 somethings we're casting ballots to replace what we have. Whoopee. I think some of that "hate" is directed against Godly people too. I told her I was a Christian and believed in issues; not solidarity.

I just listened, sadly. These are the same people who will take Antichrists Mark, to prove they will not be controlled by God anymore.

Parents, do explain how the system works. We pick the leader who follows Gods principals.... in a perfect world.

Last night I looked up cultures who sacrifice children, and it's a sad sad thing to know Moloch still lives in hearts.

Your questions do come at a very appropriate time, particularly as we see so much of what God's Word speaking of sins & wrongs we commit, being treated as normal, acceptable behaviour in society. And yes, wherever possible Christians should speak out against abortion, homosexuality, easy pardon for criminals (being let out into society to inflict more pain & death on innocent people), and many more.

If the world doesn't hear our objections to these wicked acts of men, then they will have nothing to alert them or deter them from their wicked course. Most likely our stand will 'fall on deaf ears', but as the prophets of old had to declare God's warnings, so should we make His Word & Will known wherever & whenever we can. See Ezekiel 3:17-21 for the heavy burden that was upon Ezekiel to warn the people & the consequences that came to him if he did not do so. Some use placards on streets or in front of abortion clinics, or through articles in media or advertisements, or just in conversation when the subject comes up. Our witness for righteousness must be clear even if it means that our words are considered as foolish & against society's wishes. Our words, lives & actions will never resemble the world's, nor should they ever come close - we are children of God & not of the World.

Yes, it would be wrong to vote for leaders who support abortion, homosexuality, & a host of other evils, but one has to decide whether the fitness of that leader or the party he/she represents is also worthy of your vote. This is a very difficult decision to make especially for believers, especially in light of the upcoming U.S. elections, with some Christians refusing to vote on those grounds or even opting to support a Christian party, even these often don't fall in line with God's requirements, especially in this area of abortion.

I hope you get some other useful thoughts on this important subject.

It is very wrong to abortion a baby. This means that you are telling God, "God, I don't want this precious child you have allowed to give me. No thanks." The Bible says that children are a blessing and gift from God. I would encourage every parent who thinks of doing abortion to NOT do it. You will not only regret it, but it will forever change your life. Don't do it.

How vocal should Christians be in condemning abortion? Is it wrong to support and vote for leaders who promote abortion? What can Christians to do be a light to the world on this issue?

Hello Larry,

Just to maybe help with your question of why some say Holy "Spirit" instead of Holy Ghost. As many of the versions of the Bible now say "Holy Spirit" instead of "Holy Ghost". Out of twenty nine versions it seems only four have kept "Ghost" for "Holy Ghost". To me it really makes no difference as the meaning of the word is basically the same. The original Greek word used is "pneuma". Transliterated from Greek. The definition of the word can be "a breadth of air or breeze" or "figuratively a spirit". The KJV Bible has this word "pneuma", in the New Testament, used 386 times. They use "Ghost" 92 times and "Spirit" 289 times. Used only a couple times for "wind". As most of the versions of the Bible have put "Spirit" in place of "Ghost".

Hopefully that helps a little bit on your question. Saying "Holy Ghost" or "Holy Spirit" is really the same. God Bless.

The book of Zechariah in the Old Testament is prophecy of the time when The lord restores Jerusalem and Judah and punnishes evil doers .

Chapter 9 to the end of the book .

Yes at the second coming , but many will not survive , only a remnant will be restored at that time . Until then Israel is in disobedience. Although individual Jews can be saved .

When will Israel be forgiven at the second event

Please explain

They can't see your heart. If they could, they would see Jesus there and flee away.

If you are saved, you are a daughter of God and of Christ.

Sons of God.

Most Jews and others worship on Sabbath which is Saturday. Myself and most christians wor0ship on a Sunday. ( The Lords day.) Jesus rose on a Sunday is the reason we worship on a Sunday.

No. I'm not cutting my hand off or taking the mark.

Lord no.

I don't know. But I would think that God would give them every possible chance. It will be very tempting not to take the mark knowing that you could'nt buy or sell without it. You would starve to death.