Discuss Revelation 19 Page 4

Sally Quinn,

Great you're reading the Bible! Romans 10:17, 2Timothy 2:15,

James 1:5,

Genesis 1:26,27, compare to; John 1:1-4, Job 38,

One GOD: 1Timothy 2:5, Galatians 3:20,

Food in Heaven = Psalms 78:24,25, Revelation 22:2, Luke 22:16, Matthew 26:29, Revelation 19:9, Luke 14:16-24,

Hopefully these are helpful

Matthew 24, Mark 13, Revelation 16:13, Revelation 19:20, Revelation 20:10,

Numbers 12:6-8,

Hopefully these are helpful

John 14:6 kjv, Psalm 12:6-7 kjv, Psalm 119:140 kjv, John 1:1-3,14 kjv,

John 6:63 kjv, Isaiah 40:8 kjv, Matthew 24:35 kjv, Revelation 19:11-16 kjv,

1 Peter 1:23 kjv, John 8:58 kjv.

God bless you Brenda. In Jesus name.And

Hi Gigi.

Part 4.

In Revelation 19:17-21 you see the parallel verse " Where the eagles gather as mentioned in

Matthew 24:28.

No mention of the removal of saints. If the saints were raptured and everyone else cast into hell and this is the last day on earth as you presented Who's going to populate the Millennium?

In Revelation 20 you see the Millennium reign of Christ and the great white throne judgment.

Let's use Daniel 12:13 you provided to see who the elect is in these scriptures.

Daniel 12:1-2 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for THE CHILDREN OF THY PEOPLE: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time THY PEOPLE shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Who's Daniels people? Israel.

Who's gathered from the four corners of the earth? Israel.

Isaiah 11:9-12.

Ezekiel 34:11-14.

Daniel is not talking about the Church.

The tribulation will drive Israel to their Messiah.

Hosea 5:15. I will go and return to my place, TILL THEY ACKNOWLEDGE THEIR OFFENCE, AND SEEK MY FACE: IN THEIR AFFLICTION THEY WILL SEEK ME EARLY.

Matthew 23:37-39 (KJV) O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

For I say unto you, YE SHALL NOT SEE ME HENCEFORTH, TILL YE SHALL SAY, BLESSED IS HE THAT COMETH IN THE NAME OF THE LORD.

This means when they behold him as a nation.

God bless.

Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

"mighty God" = Jesus as a baby is called God.

Titus 2:13-14 "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works."

"God and our Savior Jesus Christ"

Isaiah 7:14 - Jesus is called Immanuel which means "God with us"

1 Timothy 3:16 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

"God was manifest in the flesh" = this is Jesus, who was manifest in the flesh. John 1:14

Revelation 19:13-16

"his name is called The Word of God" = Jesus.

"and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God." = Jesus

"And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS." = Jesus

John 1:1 clearly says the "Word was God."

"Lord" also means deity or God.

"But Jesus prayed to God so how can He be God?"

Because the Bible says He is. Jesus has always been Jn 1:2 and relegated Himself to become a temporary man in the flesh prayed to God the Father. Just because He prayed as a temporary man does not automatically mean He wasn't God, the Son. 1 John 5:7

Philippians 2:9-11

"Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

Addendum

The literal aspect of horses as stated here and in other passages allows us to consider whether many advanced weapons are either destroyed (as part of Antichrist's original peace deal); or rendered useless with the fires and possible geomagnetic disturbances and/or God's judgments (such as the beast's kingdom being plunged into darkness at the 5th vial). The descriptions in Ezekiel 38 have been described by some as a certain type of wood that may be used as a sort of composite in advanced weaponry.

It should be noted that the mobility of Asiatic troops and those in Muslim campaigns in mountainous terrain (such as those coming from areas around Turkey such as Ararat and into the mountains of the north from Syria) could certainly be something to consider here. Remember that Israel is said at that time to be a land of "unwalled villages" in Ezekiel 38:11. This verse describes people not suspecting such an invasion; which may be due to their continued retention of advanced weapons; or not searching out those who would attempt to invade with such a primitive method. These animals may not be detected going through narrow mountain passes; or deep gorges and not be taken seriously in a multi pronged campaign especially by multiple nations as indicated. The unwalled villages at the very least probably show the immediately surrounding nations conspicuously absent here; are taken care of in the prophetic Psalm 83. In any event; Israel is captured and has their walls of protection removed (interestly such a proposal occurred recently with the ongoing Middle East peace proposals). It would seem the endless rockets of the Palestinians and their backers would have to be eliminated completely for such a scenario to come to fruition; thus indicating the Gulf nations would have procured a successful and prosperous trade with the nation for some time; again as indicated by the final "Babylon" city that surely would affect Israel.

Rest of Revelation 19

The rest of the book discusses the return of Christ with His saints; and the capture of the Beast; False Prophet and Satan (without stating who places them in their respective places of punishment although the next chapters show an angel has sealed the bottomless pit).

There is a feast prepared for the birds of the air (v. 17-18; v. 21). God has in Isaiah 34:11 and other verses clearly considered the unclean beasts and provided for them richly (despite being unfit for man's consumption). Those who are animal lovers may not appreciate the fact that they will either be present at the wedding feast of the Lamb or themselves be part of the supper of wild beasts. No doubt these creatures will be starving themselves by this time and God isn't going to let a good meal go to waste. We should ponder this; those who are evolutionists and realize that in light of Ecclesiastes 3:19 that unregenerate men are no better than animals as to our fate. The soul of animals may go down into the earth (see verse 21 two verses later); but man is the only creature subject to eternal damnation and suffering as we see again in the same chapter; verse 11 where "eternity is put in their hearts."

The last verse in this chapter; verse 21 shows the rest of man in the battle slain with the sword (see Malachi 4:1; Psalm 2; etal). They will be placed in Sheol; the "holding place" for the damned until their turn for the lake of fire. Undoubtably their involvement in this battle and enticement by demons means that they have taken the mark of the Beast. If for some reason someone is missing arms and or has a head injury and can't take the mark the image will be worshipped which basically amounts to the same punishment.

In God's Providence He shortens the days or no flesh would survive (or be saved); see Matthew 24:22. There are interesting studies as to the mention of horses (verse 18) which also are seen in Ezekiel 38. I prefer to take that literally.

The first few verses describe as chapter 18 did the destruction of the city of Babylon "the great whore" (v. 2). Verse 7 talks about the marriage of the Lamb; with the wedding supper in verse 9. The scene in front of the throne here as well as the timing seem almost identical to what we see in Revelation 5. We need to keep in mind that not everyone will be present wearing the garments of white until the last saint appears in heaven; so this likely shows the Resurrection of all the Tribulation saints along with the church who were raised 7 years before. This brings in mind the parable of the Ten Virgins and associated verses as to the reference both to the Second Coming and Rapture. We need to remember that Israel itself isn't as a nation going to repent until the final destruction on Israel where half of the city is taken in Zechariah 14:2. Just because the Tribulation saints aren't in the dispensation of the church where the Spirit works within the Body as at present; that doesn't exclude the rest of the believers from being members of a corporate Body who all need white garments of righteousness. (Verse 8). All true saints; therefore must bring forth fruit. God may deem martyrdom necessary to procure that; particularly in the days when Christ will be known to all and seen by the world (once again; indicated by the scene in Rev. 6:16-17. John 20:26-29 shows those who have NOT seen are blessed; and the Rapture certainly would be a reward in that sense.

Verse 10 also brings up a theme repeated in Revelation 22:9 where he tries to worship someone other than God (in the other case an angel). This should cause us to take pause to realize that the glorified bodies of the saints will be quite overwhelming.

The rest of the chapter; of course relates to the Second Coming of Christ and the immediate victory He has over the armies of the earth. More on that in the next post.

Hi Marsha. There are many verses that speak of, or allude, to the Triunity of God, i.e. God manifesting Himself to us in three Persons. But if you're looking for a single verse, then 1 John 5:7 fits the bill: "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." Of course, the Word given here is Jesus, Who is the Word of God made flesh for the suffering of death ( John 1:1-14; Revelation 19:11-13).

Usually I believe the Believe states when it's wrong & when it's worship.

Exodus 34:14, Matthew 4:10, John 4:23,24,

Daniel 8:17,18, Daniel 10:9, Daniel 10:15-19,

Wrongly : 1Kings 12:30, Acts 18:13, Revelation 19:10, Revelation 22:8,9,

Hopefully these are helpful

It's not really fair to judge someone based on the definition of a name given before or at time of birth, before the person defines who they, themselves are by their life, actions, achievements etc. 1Chronicles 4:9-10, Genesis 10:25, Genesis 35:18, Neither is it Justice to define anyone by a name because someone has the same name. Please read these scriptures: 1Samuel 2:3, Genesis 25:25,26, Genesis 29:32, yet not exactly true, because Genesis 29:33, contadicts the previous name. Following Genesis 29:34,35,

Sometimes people live up to names given, is it because they've been called so? Genesis 27:36,

However sometimes a name is earned: Genesis 25:30, Genesis 30:13, Revelation 11:8, Revelation 12:9, Revelation 19:13, Revelation 17:14

Many times people in the Bible share name, yet are completely different. Especially 1611 KJV, on this site. Examples today many people have name like Jesus pronunciation different are not even close, or Angels names, that are far from. We should be careful to not be deceived even evil can appear as light, likewise many names have been made to deceive. 2Corinthians 11:13,14

There are divine names given by GOD however, those maybe we should take more notice of, :

Genesis 16:11,12, Genesis 11:29, + Genesis 17:5,15,19, Genesis 32:28, Genesis 35:10, Revelation 19:11,

Thanks for your question, for it did remind me of that. Genesis 5:2,

Hopefully these are helpful & give you intrigue into deeper study of names with scripture & reading GOD's WORD

2 Timothy 2:15 is a powerful verse. If we do not learn how to rightly divide the word of truth, we will be lost understanding the chain of events from the time God brought the Hebrews from the Land of Egypt until The Christ Lord Jesus died on the cross up to our time today which is approximately 2,000 years. Honestly, we do not have time. As you all noticed the rapid days go by quickly as God says 2 Peter 3:8 and you see Psalms 2:1-12

I do not mind repeating to all that the Bible is a complete book Revelation 19:13 for us today to prepare ourselves and others. I pray all to be saved. We cannot have the people caught unaware of Matthew 24:37. To rightly divide is to know for us today what we need to do. So I will say that the 11 apostles messages are important for the physical Jews Matthew 10:5-7 at the end time; and there are verses in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John that pertains to a spiritual Christians of today.

God had chosen Paul to be His vessel so we can read and believe not in vain. Study the Book of Romans to Philemon because he was the Last and believe it or not the 12th Apostle Galatians 1:1, Acts 9:15, Acts 13:47, Acts 22:21, Roman's 11:13, Ephesians 3:8, 1 Timothy 2:7, Galatians 1:16. After Jesus died He says Hebrews 9:14-17. Then you are Ephesians 1:12-14, 2 Timothy 2:19 and 2 Corinthians 1:22. Therefore, 1 Corinthians 9:2 just like Romans 15:28. Ephesians 4:30 and sing Psalms 49:8, 111:9, 130:7. In conclusion my fellow-believers, Paul is sealed 1 Corinthians 9:2 by God to be our apostle today. Weneedtoputtheworkof Paul not in vain Galatians 6:11. Paul tells us Romans 2:16, Romans 16:25, 2 Timothy 2:8. And the gospel is 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. Then we are sealed Ephesians 1:13. Perhaps you are not understanding me because Revelation 18:4, Proverbs 20:1, Roman's 7:11, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Corinthians 15:33, Galatians 6:7, 1 Timothy 2:14, 2 Timothy 3:13, Titus 3:3, and lastly Revelation 18:23. Psalm 37:1-40 then we meditate Psalms 27:1-3. Shalom/Agape.

Am going to have to make this short, much can be said on this subject, been a long day.

We are saved by Grace alone, through faith, but what is faith without works? It's dead, it is dead faith.

Our works is the only thing we take with us, they make up our Fine Linens, Our robes, It's one of the finest rewards ,, least ye walk naked in shame, throughout the millennium.

Revelation 19:8

Revelation 7:13

Revelation 7:14

Sorry I would like to do this more Justice, but we earn our fine linens, and robes through our works.

"Christ will come like a thief in the night" and take it, if we are not ready and watching 1 Thessalonians 5:2 ---- 2 Peter 3:10...

Read Matthew 24 starting at about v42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. 44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

If you're not ready, and are caught backsliding, all your works can be stolen from you, like a thief in the night. Be ready always, be watching always.

But the Bible speaks of things to be revealed beyond what's written,

...for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. ( Revelation 19:7)

Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. ( John 16:13)

But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. ( 1 Corinthians 2:10)

Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, ( 1 Cor. 14:39)

And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: ( Acts 2:18)

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: ( Acts 2:17)

Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. ( Amos 3:7)

John 3:36 kjv: He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 10:30: I and my Father are one.

Ephesians 6:11-18 kjv.

Revelation 19:11 kjv: And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse;

and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness

he doth judge and make war.

Hebrews 13:8 kjv: Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Matthew 25:31-46, John 3:15,16,17,18,36, John 6:40,47, Romans 6:22, 2Thessalonians 1, Jude 1, Revelation 20:15, Mark 9:42-48, 2Peter 3, Revelation 14:9-19, Revelation 15:1-4, Revelation 19:20, Revelation 20:10-15, Revelation 21,

Amen Luke.

That's easily seen in scripture.

The Church didn't bring on the man child "Christ". Revelation 12:5. and Revelation 19:15-16.

Christ brought on the Church!!

Here's just two of many.

Matthew 16:18.

1 Corinthians 3:10-11.

As you said Israel is the woman and she brought on the man child who is Christ. " Romans 9:4-5."

Also Revelation 12:1. parallels with Genesis 37:9-10. It gives a description of who the Sun and the Moon and the twelve stars are.

Now hold on to your hat!

God bless.

Well Rob, I don't struggle with this as the Scriptures are clear to me. You asked if there was a "man at the right hand of God?" To answer that as you gave it, I would say NO, only because that short statement doesn't reflect Christ's true personality & remains open to confusion & speculation. It only reflects His Humanity, devoid of His eternal existence & the Nature of His Resurrection.

But if you asked, 'is there One called Jesus Christ, who came to Earth from Heaven ( John 3:13; John 6:38), from within the Person of God ( John 1:1-14), to become Man, died, arose from the grave, & now ascended to the right Hand of the Father, ever living as the Word of God made flesh (where Divinity has merged with Humanity) making intercession for His people, & one day returning to Earth in the same state that He left this Earth (as the Word of God: Revelation 19:13)?', then I would say, YES. Any other Jesus is, from my understanding of the Scriptures, to be another Jesus - One assumed maybe from incorrect teaching and/or a bias against the Plan of God to secure our salvation.

If I avoided certain pertinent Scriptures revealing the full Nature of Christ, I could well agree with you. And some of us have shared those Scriptures, but receiving no exposition.

Hi One Eighty. You may care to peruse my comment to Doug (to save repetition). Thank you.

But to certain things you stated. I think you understand the verse "which I had with thee before the world was" to mean that God created Jesus before He created mankind: "Jesus was an extension (creation) of God before man entered the world."

I can't recall any verse to show that God ever created someone called Jesus. Rather, the Bible tells us there is only One God - there is none beside Him. Yet, we find that within the Person of God there lies Entities (also referred to as Persons) called the Word & the Spirit. We don't have trouble defining & understanding the Spirit, but when the Word is brought up, we struggle & have wildly different opinions. Yet, we have clear Truths given to us, as in Revelation 19:13, that when Jesus returns, He is seen as the One "clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God." Not only is Jesus seen as the Word of God placed into humanity, but this One Who holds an intrinsic part of God's Person, returns with that same title. Jesus is ever God's Word, but for our sakes, took on humanity for the suffering of death.

So, I don't see anything about a creation of a Jesus - I read that God sent His Word (from within Himself), born into humanity, being called Jesus (Immanuel, 'God with us') & never ceasing to be vitally a part & connected to the Godhead. Jesus is always God's Word, but in the incarnation, God made a material change, taking that spiritual Essence of Himself & clothing Him with flesh (the best I can describe it). You do refer to a Triunity of God, but I would question Jesus being a created Being (Adam was a created being - Jesus was begotten from God), & I agree, Jesus can never be said to be a Creator of God.

Doug , you bring up a great point that almost no one teaches on , much less has a clue about. So you have provided a number of verses on "clouds" allow me to provide a few more that will open things up for you and all else who read this.

Psalms 104:3 " who maketh the clouds his chariot" .... that is the KEY to the clouds . A cloud or clouds plural are actually referencing his chariot and fleet of chariots in Psalms 68:17 "The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels:

the Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place." 20,000 chariots would be a flying fleet of aircraft/spacecraft, as he comes down from heaven and maneuvers through the skies of earth. Look at Isaiah 66:15 "For behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his CHARIOTS....." this is at the second coming ! This clearly ties in with the armies in heaven which follow him in Revelation 19:14



That should open things up a little for you. A detailed study of the Mt of Transfiguration where a cloud comes with the Father in it bringing Moses and Elijah.... "and they feared (the disciples) as they (Moses and Elijah) ENTERED INTO THE CLOUD".. Like 9:34. Yeah, I bet they did. First off, Moses was resurrected - Jude 1:9. Elijah went up in a chariot in 2 Kings 2. They then return in one of these Cloud-Chariots with the Father to talk to Jesus before his death. This fulfills the prophecy Jesus gave the week before about some standing here not tasting death till they see the kingdom of God .... Matthew 16 end - Matthew 17:1-10 Mark 9:1:10 Luke 9:26-36

As for the Ascension of Christ in Acts 1, it is likely the same cloud of the Mt of Transfiguration, as Jesus goes to sit on the right hand of the Father. This doctrine is virtually unknown to most all Christians, much less those that teach or preach to them. Thanks be to God I happened across a website a few years back where the late Patrick Cooke laid this all out in detail. Opened my eyes quite a bit.

Hello Edith. Revelation 1:16 is but one verse within the whole Book of the Revelation given to the Apostle John, to record what he sees ( Revelation 1:19). And what the risen Lord Jesus revealed to him in this verse was a part of how Jesus appeared to him (vv 13-16).

In verse 16, John saw seven stars in Jesus' right Hand. We understand that these stars represented the angels (possibly, the leaders) of the seven Churches (the golden candlesticks) in Asia Minor (Turkey): v 20. These were real assemblies of believers in those seven cities & were precious to the Lord, as is indicated by His position amongst them & having them close to Him (in His right Hand). Yet, as we read in the following chapters, not all of them were pure in His Sight & they would be judged & disciplined. Yet the Lord would persevere with them (as He does with us when we go astray) as He also did with Israel, when the promise was given them, "Thou shalt also be a crown of glory in the hand of the LORD, and a royal diadem in the hand of thy God." ( Isaiah 62:3).

John also saw a sharp two-edged sword proceeding from Jesus' Mouth. This is the primary weapon that Jesus uses to subdue His enemies (maybe at that great final battle). We know that the sword is often used to denote the Word of God ( Ephesians 6:17; Hebrews 4:12; Revelation 19:13). And God's Word is Truth - it is pure, it cuts & divides, it converts, it blesses. No enemy, both now & in that final day, will be able to withstand God's Truth. Where they once rejected it, even rejecting God's Word made flesh, they will feel the keenness of the 'blade' & will fall, succumbing to the power of that Word. Even Satan flees when God's Word is brought to bear upon him.

And Jesus' countenance appeared to John as the midday Sun in its zenith. One can imagine John turning away from such Brightness. As we read in Malachi 4:2, "the Sun of righteousness" arises to heal those who fear Him, but will also burn the chaff into ashes of those who do wickedly.

Thanks brother Spencer,

Yes, Christ is our blessed hope and we are not appointed unto His wrath. I think 1 Thessalonians 5:9 is often overlooked. The grace of God teaches us to deny all ungodliness. The word deny means to reject. When we're faced with ungodliness, we're to reject it. We have a position down here. We have an approach to the world and life down here, that we should reject the lusts, and the ungodliness, but live rightly lined up with God in respect and reverence for Him. But at the same time, looking for that blessed hope, that living hope that you mentioned, the glorious appearing. In the Greek text, it talks about the appearing of His glory, the appearing of the glory of the great God, and our Savior Jesus Christ. So that's our position. That's our life summed up in the believer right there.

Now, where does this put us once we are raptured. We will not be here during the tribulation period. What purpose would we have here during that time? It wouldn't be to reach people for Christ. God already has a plan for that. During this terrible time on earth, once God's Spirit is removed, we will be participating in the marriage supper of the lamb. We are given this in Revelation Chapter 19. It talks about armies in heaven that will follow Christ upon white horses when He comes at His second coming. Who are these armies? That would be us. We are the ones who are clothed in fine linen, white and clean. ( Revelation 19:7-8).

Blessings to you also!

Prophets, Prophetic, gifts of Prophecy in New Testament

Romans 12:6,

2Peter 1:16-21,

1Timothy 4:14,

Revelation 1:3,

Gifting working within the Body: 1Corinthians 12, 1Corinthians 13, direction concerning in Church: 1Corinthians 14:29-40,

Prophets yet to come: Revelation 11:3-19, false prophet yet to come: Revelation 16:12-15, Revelation 19:20, Revelation 20:10,

Revelation 19:10,

Revelation 22,

John the Baptist referred to as Prophet: Luke 1:76, Luke 3:4, Matthew 13:57, Mark 6:4, Luke 4:24, Luke 7:26,28, Luke 20:3-20, John 1:19-37,

Acts 3:22-26, Acts 7:35-60, Titus 1:12,

Matthew 10:41,

Jesus talking about Prophets in HIS day, referred to himself also: Matthew 21:26, Matthew 11:9, Mark 11:32, John 4:4,

Luke 13:33, Luke 24,

Paul & others acknowledged prophecy, Prophets, even Women that did Prophecy: Acts 21:8-14,

Hope these are helpful

It surely is high time to seek the Lord. Nothing we do naturally will 'work' if these are God's judgments coming upon us because of sin. If America would TRULY repent, and turn to God, then HE makes our enemies to be at peace with us. It is sin that has removed God's hand of blessing and protection, and nothing else matters but for America to turn to Jesus!

You said something at the beginning of your post, namely,

"I was taught that Israel was the center of "Bible Interpretation", the World.

Israel is NOT the center of true Bible interpretation. JESUS CHRIST is ALWAYS the center of true Bible interpretation. The Bible is the Lamb's Book; it is all about Him, start to finish. He is the Alpha and the Omega. One old-time preacher I so value is Charles Spurgeon. He saw Christ in every book of the Bible, and speaks so eloquently of Him in his sermons. I have a book by Charles Spurgeon, "Christ in the Old Testament' and have wept my way through those pages, just uplifted in my soul and spirit by the glorious revelation of Christ as shown through those types and shadows of the old dispensation.

......The spirit of prophecy is the testimony of Jesus Christ. ( Revelation 19:10b)

It is ALWAYS about Jesus. Looking unto Jesus we will never go off course!

Blessings!

Revelation 14:20

And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

Revelation 19:19

And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him (JESUS) that sat on the horse, and against his army.

Revelation 19:21

And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his MOUTH: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

[This passage uses the symbolism of grapes in a winepress to describe the eventual defeat of the wicked in the end times. As grapes are crushed and broken to release wine, the bodies of God's enemies will be smashed in a bloody defeat. Taken in absolutely literal terms, this verse describes a cascade of blood some five or six feet (2 meters) high and 180 miles (290 kilometers) long. Most interpreters see this as primarily symbolic. Some suggest that what's described is a 1600-stadia zone of carnage during battle, so violent that blood is splattered as high as the head of a horse.

Whether entirely or partly poetic, one thing is certain: this judgment creates a gory scene. Revelation 19:13 pictures Jesus as having blood on His robe as He rides into warfare against the wicked. Although some believe this is the blood Jesus shed on the cross, others see this as the blood of His enemies. The interpretation that it is the blood of His enemies is supported by the prophetic picture given in Isaiah 63:2-4. Jesus' defeat of His enemies at the end of the tribulation will be absolute and terrible.]

Chris,

Thanks for adding that! Later after I posted the answer. I remembered I didn't include the amazing gift of Salvation, that we ourselves could not accomplish with out Christ JESUS!

Okou Agnatius,

I answered the question as I would have, to someone who had already received the gift of Salvation through believing in Christ. Chris was right to add that! It does cover that issue some in: 1Peter 1, but in my spirit, I did feel afterward that I had not given you the best most complete answer & it bothered me as I was trying to rest.

Please also see: John 3:15-16, Revelation 19:1, Acts 4:12, Romans 1:16, Romans 10:10, 1Thessalonians 5:8-24, Hebrews 2, Hebrews 5:9,

John 14:6

Forgive me, I ask

Tom, The word of God is a parable. The Spirit of Christ wrote the Bible.

Revelation 19:10 .... for the testimony (the words) of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Matthew 13:34 All these things spake Jesus to the multitudes in parables, and without a parable spake he not into them.

Numbers 23:7 And he took up this PARABLE ....

Numbers 23:18 And he took up this PARABLE .....

Numbers 24:20-21 ...and he took up his parable ....

Job 27:1 Moreover Job continued his parable ...

Job 29: Moreover Job continued his parable ...

Psalms 78:2 I will open my mouth in a parable ....

Ezekiel 17:2 ... and speak a parable ...

Ezekiel 24:3 ..... utter a parable .....

Micah 2:4 ..... take up a parable .....

Habakkuk 2:6 Shall not all take up a parable against him .....

Know this is what happens when you don't BELIEVE GOD when he says he speaks in parables.

Proverbs 26:7 The legs of the lame are not equal, SO IS A PARABLE IN THE MOUTH OF FOOLS.

Heaven is a parable of the place GOD LIVES.

Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery .....CHRIST IN YOU .....GOD LIVES IN MAN

The angle of the Lord is a ministering Spirit (the Holy Ghost) the angle of the Lord is GOD, therefore that ministering Spirit (the Holy Ghost) is planting his SEED (inpregenating) man with TRUTH AND LIFE; creating man in the IMAGE OF GOD.

YES, ANGLES (MEN, that has left this body of flesh, and BECOME ministering spirits being BORN AGAIN (FATHER by the HOLY GHOST) and ONE WITH CHRIST are inpregenating creation with the SEED OF GOD.

God Bless You!

Revelation 19:10

King James Version

10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Rejoice in the LORD always, Philippians 4:4, Romans 5:2, 1Thessalonians 5:16, 1Peter 1:8, Psalms 118:24,

John 16:22,

Revelation 19:7, isn't quite here yet

Hi Kay.

Thanks for your reply.

I've never heard a pre-trib view taught that there is 3 comings of Christ, I always understood that there is the 1st coming and the second coming to Earth.

The rapture is called the "harpazo" in the Greek. meaning "to snatch away" or "to seize," The Lord don't come to the earth, We go to him!

1 Thessalonians 4:17. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the LORD IN THE AIR: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

His second coming he comes to the Earth with judgment.

In these 2nd coming verses there's no mention of the removal of saints.

Here's just a few of many.

Zechariah 14:4.

Revelation 19:11-16,

Revelation 20:1-6.

Matthew 25:31-32.

The 2nd coming he comes with his saints.

If he raptured in his 2nd coming when he comes and make war against the nations who's going to populate the Millennium?

Here's parallel verses to

Mathew 24:31.

Isaiah 11:12.

Jeremiah 23:7-8.

Jeremiah 16:14-15.

Ezekiel 34:12-13.

Isaiah 45:4.

Goodnight Kay and God bless.