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I did not mean to imply what you listed was wrong, but I guess a lot of it did not go along with what you posted, I do apologize. The countries you listed may come to be, but I do not know or try to figure out what countries will be involved.
As far as what I can say about the future, I feel it will be different than what many teach. I believe, as far as the countries that will be united with the beast we will not know until they are set up. I believe the beast is not a country but an angelic being from the bottomless pit along with the false prophet, with the power of Satan who will rule over those countries and the world.
When Satan is cast down all changes, what that will look like who knows but it will not be pretty.
Babel and Babylon are the same but translated differently, Babel was the start of sun worship, the host of heaven worship, and sanctified prostitution and human sacrifices. Babel started what God was constantly dealing with Israel, the gods of the countries around them.
So, my feelings are that Babylon at the end times must have similar religious attributes because of what is said in ( Revelation 17:6), ( Revelation 18:24) and ( Revelation 19:2) whether the blood and deaths of the prophets, saints, and martyrs of Jesus are from the beginning of Babel or during the 3.5 years of tribulation, that is if this Babylon carries out the punishment for not taking the mark, because many of us if we are still here, will face death.
This is probably not what you are asking for, sorry if not. If I may suggest something, not saying I know anything but it may help if you want to study it. ( Luke 21:20-24) you listed in your first post you said if the U.S. was taken out it would be easy for Israel to be invaded, true but, when Jesus rode into Jerusalem on Nisan 10 He cried and said, ( Luke 19:41-44). You may decide Jesus, in both cases was talking of the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in 70 AD, not end times.
God bless,
RLW
I BELIEVE the Spirit is revealing hidden truths to you. I will show you one of those hidden truths He has revealed to me.
The answer to every question is hidden somewhere in God's word.
Question? Who are the fowls of the air?
The answer is found in the parable of the sower.
Luke 8:5 A sower (Christ) went out to sow his SEED (word or God): and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the FOWLS OF THE AIR devoured it.
This parable is one of the few Jesus explained.
Luke 8:12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the DEVIL...
The FOWLS OF THE AIR are the DEVIL.
The fowls of the air (Satan) represent scavengers (vultures) and birds of prey (eagles). They (Satan) DEVOUR flesh and CONSUME dead flesh. Flesh and blood CANNOT inherit the Kingdom of God.
1 Timothy 1:20 Of whom Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto SATAN (fowls of the air), that they learn not to blaspheme.
1 Corinthians 5:5 To DELIVER such an one unto SATAN for the DESTRUCTION of the flesh, that the spirit may be save in the day of the Lord Jesus.
Isaiah 65:25 ....and DUST (flesh) shall be the serpent's (Satan) meat .....
Revelation 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the FOWLS that fly in the midst of heaven (represents MAN, where God dwells), Come and gather yourselves together unto the (marriage) supper of the great God.
This is happening NOW. Our flesh is being DESTROYED so we can be married (BECOME ONE) to Christ at the death of this body.
Revelation 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings (we are the kings of THE KING) .....
Revelation 19:21 And the remnant (sons of God) were slain (killed, destroyed) with the sword (TRUTH OF THE WORD) of him that sat upon the horse, which sword (TRUTH) proceeds out of his mouth: and an all the FOWLS were filled with their (the remnants) flesh.
Hello Helen,
Just a few scriptures that say about the bride/bridegroom.
Matthew 25:1-46 - Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
Ephesians 5:27 - That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
Mark 2:19-20 - And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them? as long as they have the bridegroom with them, they cannot fast.
Revelation 19:7-9 - Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. (Read More...)
Revelation 21:2 - And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Isaiah 54:5 - For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
Zelma Shalom
I guess we just see it differently. You see the battle of Armageddon as something that has been going on for the last two-thousand years, whereas I see it as the last great battle on earth that is a future event. I don't really see it as a battle between flesh and spirit, but a literal battle that takes place in the valley of Megiddo, a literal place. If this battle has been going on for two-thousand years, wouldn't we know about it? When I read about this battle, it speaks in future tense, not present tense. I still believe that the "one taken" is taken into judgment, and in Luke's account, it answers the question. We can also see in Revelation that it is God who draws the people and the armies into the valley of Megiddo for that last great battle. These armies will fight against Christ when He returns and will be totally destroyed. This battle has not taken place yet.
From what I see in Revelation chapter 19, the marriage feast will be taking place in heaven while destruction is taking place on earth. This destruction of the flesh spoken of in Revelation 19:17-18 is talking about an invitation for the birds, the fowl of the air to come and feast on the dead bodies that will be the result of Christ slaying the nations. Future event! John was given the vision of the battle of Armageddon in Revelation 19:19-21. This battle has not taken place yet. We're going to have to remain in disagreement on this since you see it as in the present, and I see it as future. I don't think we can come to the same conclusion this way.
I'm having a hard time coming to the same conclusion that we become sons of God after physical death. I believe we become sons of God the moment we receive Christ. That is given to us in John 1:12.
If you don't mind, I'm interested in your take on 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17. What does "caught up" mean? The original language uses the word HARPADZO which means to be snatched away by force. What is your understanding?
Thanks for your time!
Can't help but wonder what's happenin' to my companions
Are they lost or are they found?
Have they counted the cost it'll take to bring down
All their earthly principles they're gonna have to abandon?
Man's ego is inflated, his laws are outdated, they don't apply no more
You can't rely no more to be standin' around waitin'
In the home of the brave, Jefferson turnin' over in his grave
Fools glorifying themselves, trying to manipulate Satan
They say lose your inhibitions, follow your own ambitions
They talk about a life of brotherly love
Show me someone who knows how to live it
I don't care about economy, I don't care about astronomy
But it sure do bother me to see my loved ones turning into puppets
There's a slow, slow train comin' up around the bend
The 1000 Year Kingdom will be on the earth, not in heaven, ( Revelation 11:15) It will be a time when Lord Jesus and those chosen to rule the nations with an iron rod ( Revelation 5:10). We know from ( Revelation 20:7-10), nations after the 1000 years.
The thousand-year reign of Jesus, will be after the great tribulation of Satan, the beast and the false prophet. The second coming of Jesus with the army of angels, ( Matthew 24: 29-31) ( Mark 13: 24-27) the first resurrected saints that meet Jesus in the air, ( 1 Thessalonians 4:17) Jesus' feet land on Mount of Olives ( Zechariah 14:4)
The beast and the false prophet are cast into the lake of fire and the ten king's armies of the beast that came up on Jerusalem to battle are destroyed. ( Revelation 19:11-21) and Satan is chained and put in the bottomless pit.
Then the judgment seat of Christ for those that have been chosen to reign with Him in this Millennium Kingdom. ( Revelation 20: 4-6) People will live and die during this time. and when it is over, Satan will be released and bring an army for one last battle and fire comes down and Satan is cast in the lake of fire. ( Revelation 20:7-10)
White Throne Judgment of the rest of the dead. The goats and the sheep, "some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt", "they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation" Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. And then ( Revelation 21) The marriage and the marriage supper. Jesus said at the last supper ( Matthew 26:29) ( Mark 14:25) ( Luke 22:18) when it is new.
The purpose of the thousand-year reign is to put this world in order and allow for the fulfillment of several promises God made with Israel, David and others.
This is a brief view of what I see from my study, I am sure some, maybe you, will disagree and that's ok, may it cause study.
RLW
( Revelation 19:9)
And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God".
May we be led by the Holy Spirit of truth and not by man.
RLW
Everything that the Son of God is, was, and will be was before this world was. So, Jesus was and is the bridegroom, but the bride has not been made ready as of yet. In Hebrew weddings the father who sets the day, he will not tell the son until the day the son will return, so everyone had to be ready to go at any minute. Jesus rode into Jerusalem first on a donkey colt. Revealing the King is coming to you; He is just and having salvation. Long ago if a king came on a donkey he was coming in peace.
When Jesus returns, He will be riding a white horse of war ( Revelation 19:11-16). Jesus will reign above all until the last enemy which is death shall be destroyed. Jesus fights that battle and the beast and false prophet will be cast alive into the lake of fire. Satan was locked in the bottomless pit for 1000 years. It does not say who casts Satan into the lake of fire, maybe Jesus since His sacrifice was what defeated him and saved us.
God bless,
RLW
The interpretation of the 7 years, last week placed at the end times was what I was discussing. Where after the first 3.5 years of peace the antichrist does the abomination of desolation and causes sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and the great tribulation starts, taken from ( Daniel 9:27). Also used is, ( Matthew 24:15) and ( Mark 13:14) which combines (2 Thessalonian 2:4) as being in the middle of this 7-year interpretation using these Bible verses, which I feel is deceptive. That is what I meant, the abomination of desolation in this theory does not have anything to do with Revelation.
Babylon/Babel will be destroyed by the ten kingdoms/countries that hate the whore, who have never had power until the beast from the bottomless pit, gives them power as kings one hour with this beast. We do see in Rev. 11 the beast kills the two witnesses and that city is where our Lord was crucified and we know where that was. ( Revelation 11:8)
The destruction of this whore Babylon/Babel where ever it will be, will be destroyed close to the second coming of Jesus Christ. After it is destroyed it becomes the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird (fallen angels, and demon haven) "What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?" at this time their time is up and into the lake they go. ( Revelation 19:11-21) "the supper of the great God"
If you believe in the rapture of the Church and this seven-year interpretation and all that is taught in it we may not agree. We need just to encourage each other in our faith in Jesus and our walk in the Spirit of truth.
RLW
Before you can understand Revelation you have to BELIEVE a few things.
Revelation 22:10 And he saith unto me, seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: FOR THE TIME IS AT HAND. You have to believe that it is relevant right this minute; that it's instructions on how our flesh is destroyed so be can inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians 15:50 ...flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God..
Revelation 1:1 ...and he sent and SIGNIFIED it...
You have to believe that most nouns represent something other than what a dictionary defines them as.
Romans 8:20 For the creature (man) was made subject to vanity....
We start life with no faithfulness to our creator (husband); therefore, we are the WHORE. We have no knowledge of the word of God; therefore, we are the false prophet, we have no love or mercy; therefore we are the BEAST. We are the only beast that buys and sells. We are flesh; therefore, we are Anti Christ (opposed to Spirit).
When Revelation is finished with us we will be the FULLNESS OF CHRIST.
Romans 8:3 ....God sending his own Son in the LIKENESS of sinful flesh (us)...
Sinful flesh (us) was crucified with Christ; Christ arose and we arose with him.
Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection.... they shall shall reign with him a thousand years.
You have already died to the mark you were born with (the beast) (flesh).
Revelation 13:15 ....as many as would not worship the the image of the beast (themselves and things of the flesh) should be killed.
Revelation 9:18 By these three were a third part of man killed, by FIRE, and by smoke, and by brimstone...
You were raised with Christ and now Christ lives in you.
Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming FIRE.
You now live in the purifying fire of CHRIST where the beast and false prophet are:
Revelation 19:20.. cast alive into FIRE; cast alive into Christ.
Do devils believe God exists? Yes! Can they ever be saved? No, according to Jude and other scriptures. Their case is closed!
More evidence that devils believe God/ Jesus is real? Acts 19:13-16, the sons of Sceva who were casting our an unclean spirit failed and the unclean spirit said, "Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye.."
Mark 1:34 - "And he healed many that were sick of divers diseases, and cast out many devils; and suffered not the devils to speak, because they knew him."
Matthew 8:28-29 - "And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way. And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?"
CHRISTIANS CANT GO TO HELL!
Matthew 7:21-23 ---> Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
He that doeth the will of God(sanctification through Christ)is the one that shall enter heaven.
Remember in v.15 He started with, ".. beware of false prophets.." . Can devils perform miracles? YES. 10 plagues in Egypt. Moses does one, the magicians do the other.
Revelation 19:20 - And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles..
1 Corinthians 15:39
All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
Revelation 19:18
That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
Romans 8:3
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Romans 8:12
Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
2 Corinthians
For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
Philippians 3:4
Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
Ephesians 2:11
Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Mark 10:8
And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
2 Corinthians 5:16
Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
Ephesians 2:3
Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind;
The lake of fire is the same thing; that, in the Old Testament was called the Fire of the Lord. Natural eyes see this as literal fire; but is it?
Judges 6:20 And the angel of the Lord said unto him, take the flesh and unleavened cakes (represents us) and lay them upon this rock (represents Christ), and pour out the broth And he did so.
Judges 6:21 Then the angel of the LORD put forth the end of the staff that was in his hand, and touched the flesh and unleavened cakes (US), and there rose up fire from OUT OF THE ROCK (OUR GOD IS A CONSUMING FIRE), and consumed the flesh and unleavened cakes (US).
Zachariah 14:12 ......Their flesh shall consume away while they stand on their feet....
Revelation 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword (is the word of GOD, God is FIRE) of him upon the horse, which sword (WORD) proceeded out of his mouth; and all the fowls were filled with their (own) flesh.
To understand who the fowls are; we have to go to the parable of the sower of the seed.
Luke 8:5 A sower went out to so his seed; and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the FOWLS OF THE AIR devoured it.
Luke 8:11 Now the parable is this: THE SEED IS THE WORD OF GOD.
Luke 8:12 Those by the way side are those that hear, then cometh the devil (fowls or the air)....
Luke 13:19 It (kingdom of heaven; Christ in you) is like a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and cast into his garden; and it grew, and waxed a great tree; and the fowls of the air (devil) lodged therein.
John 15:5 I am the vine; ye are the branches (where the fowls lodge)...
Psalms 104:12 By them shall the fowls of the air have their habitation, which sing among the branches.
Matthew 12:28 But if I cast out DEVILS by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God (CHRIST IN YOU) is come unto you.
No need to be sorry, you have created no havoc. As the "everyone is to be saved" part I don't think I stated you said that. Just that I went through thinking that a while ago. Just in line with "no hell" which is what I think you believe.
About the couple verses you stated for me as an answer to the first analogy I wrote "I just really see it as if we say there is a hell and there really isn't what wrong have we done" which is Christ quoting Isaiah 29:13. Which I can't quite link that to this. Then quoting the end of Revelation about changing the prophesies of the Bible. That is why I believe there is a place of eternal torment or "hell". Because the Bible says so. As you didn't reply to the second analogy in that "if people don't believe in "hell" though it really exists". How this could be dangerous to others in my eyes.
As Adam gave a good reply about to "fear God". This teaching is throughout the Bible as we are also to love Him. Say how you would love your dad but if you do something wrong you may be whipped for it and scared to know it's coming. Though this is much higher as with God. A couple more verses for you Psalms 34:9, Psalms 115:13, Proverbs 3:7, Luke 1:50, Romans 3:18, 2 Corinthians 7:1, Hebrews 12:28, Revelation 19:5.
As I have over forty verses to love God.
To the last statement of "if they told you that they had had a near death or actual death experience that fully validated substantiated and confirmed all their religious beliefs ?" Well, as there are hundreds probably thousands of NDE's and some have no experience at all. I have never heard of someone meeting Buddah, Allah, or Muhammed etc. Though I have seen people converted to Christ from those other religions. Even Atheists who didn't believe. As there are many and all are personal and unique. There are many things that connect with the teachings of the Scriptures.
In kindness.
God Bless.
Ezekiel 38:18-23
The Lord Jesus Christ standing on Mount Olive:
The seventh trumpet sounds:
( Revelation 16:15) Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. [Jesus comes as a thief at both sixth & seventh trumpets]
vs 18 And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face
vs 19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;
( Revelation 11:15) And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. ( Revelation 16:17) ( John 19:30)
( Ezekiel 37:1-14) Resurrection: ...vs 10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army. vs 11 ...these bones are the whole house of Israel. vs 14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live,..
( Matthew 24:30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
( Revelation 1:7)
( Revelation 19:11-16)
( Revelation 19:19-20)
vs 20 ...Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. ( Zechariah 14:1-4) ....Then shall the LORD go forth...And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives...
( Zechariah 14:12)
God removes the 'northern army':
( Joel 2:20-21)
( Daniel 11:40)
( Jeremiah 6:22-23)
( Jeremiah 50:3)
( Jeremiah 50:41)
vs 23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD.
-God's Spirit is counterfeited by satan spirit
-Jesus' Spirit is counterfeited by antichrist spirit
-Holy Ghost is counterfeited by the false prophet spirit
1) Jesus's ministry was 42 months
To: ( Revelation 13:5) antichrist receives 42 months
2) ( Revelation 1:8)
To ( Revelation 17:8)
3) ( Revelation 5:6)
To: ( Revelation 13:3)
The three evil spirits that God had stricken us with, to prove us, are gone. ( Revelation 16:13) ( Revelation 19:20) ( Revelation 20:10). It is the dragon (satan) the boss that gets locked up for 1,000 years..
Below is conclusive "mirroring" evidence of the spirit world hierarchy:
( Daniel 8:24) And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
"but not by his own power" as that power comes from the dragon, given from God.
( Revelation 13:2) And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
"the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority". satan gives power to antichrist, antichrist is the son of satan, but antichrist is not satan. antichrist is under the possession of satan.
( Titus 2:13) Many scriptures point to Jesus being God, but this hierarchy evidence can't be overlooked. Jesus told his adversaries all along who he was, but they didn't have the wherewithal to grasp it, Jesus continually said His power was not of His own, but of the Father. The theologians argue this paradox out to contention.
( John 5:19) ...The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do....
( John 12:49) For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me....
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the FATHER, and of the SON, and of the HOLY GHOST:
1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the FATHER, the WORD, and the HOLY GHOST: and these THREE are ONE.
Revelation 19:11-14 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and He that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He doth judge and make war.
His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns; and He had a name written, that no man knew, but He Himself.
And He was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and His name is called The WORD of GOD.
One definition from "Logos" or "Word" in Greek. In John, denotes the essential Word of God, Jesus Christ, the personal wisdom and power in union with God, his minister in creation and government of the universe, the cause of all the world's life both physical and ethical, which for the procurement of man's salvation put on human nature in the person of Jesus the Messiah, the second person in the Godhead, and shone forth conspicuously from His words and deeds. A Greek philosopher named Heraclitus first used the term Logos around 600 B.C. to designate the divine reason or plan which coordinates a changing universe. This word was well suited to John's purpose in John 1.
John 17:3-5 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
If you can't believe in Scripture that Jesus Christ Himself says He existed before the world was. Just one place. I can't help you.
Jesus Christ did exist before He was born. Other Scriptures state this also.
God Bless.
Why should the last generation be spared? "Take heed that no man deceive you"!
The great tribulation and the wrath of God, are not the same thing. We will be spared the wrath of God, but we have been promised tribulations, the wrath of God is after the second coming of Christ when there is no more repentance.
Acts.14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
1 Thessalonians 3:4 For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know.
Matthew 24:21,29 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
1 Thessalonians 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Out of love, Ron
I don't think there is a verse that says that John endured the tribulation of the first three seals. Revelation Chapter 4 tells us that John was caught up in the spirit realm and got to see the events unfold on the earth as they were literally happening. John got to see the future in real-time. Physically, he was still on the island of Patmos, but spiritually, he was caught up into heaven and got to see it all unfold from above.
Personally, I believe this represents the church being caught up, as the church will no longer be mentioned during the tribulation period. The next mention of the church will be in Revelation Chapter 19, where we will be participating in the marriage supper of the lamb. So we see no mention of the church during the tribulation from Chapter 4 to Chapter 19. Revelation 19:14 mentions armies that will come back with Christ at His second coming. Those armies I believe are referring to the church.
"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."
To affirm & confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh, is NOT simply a belief that there was an historical Jesus on Earth Who went about doing good & speaking the Words of God - even the devils know that fact (an abundance of references exist showing Jesus dealing with them). But to confess that this Jesus had a pre-existence (to which we now know that He was vitally & inseparably connected to the Godhead from Eternity to Eternity, known as the Word of God ( John 1:1 & Revelation 19:13)), has "in due time" (God's appointed time) appeared to mankind from God to be given flesh & be called the Son of God & to lay down His Life for sinners.
Any departure from this great Truth was the overwhelming burden on the Apostle John's heart as he had the constant battle before him to warn & protect the children of God from the intrusions of Gnosticism into the Church. And particularly an offshoot of it (Docetism) which taught "that the incarnation was incredible (unbelievable, false), because Deity cannot unite itself with anything material, such as a body". How sad that Christians even today are gripped with that false belief & proclaiming that God, by sending out His Word, could not have assumed a body of flesh (the incarnation). John tells us that the spirit of antichrist was alive & well then as we even see it today.
I would like to reply to your question. So going back to Genesis 22 is the story of Abraham offering up his son Isaac. Which I believe is stated to be a test of faith from God to Abraham. Hebrews 11:7, James 2:21-23. To see how deep his faith truly was. Not just faith but faith by works.
As this topic has come up before I will share my beliefs with some Scripture to it. As another stated also, I do not say Jesus Christ is God the Father. I believe as God is eternal that instead of Him being alone why not have a Son whom is perfect in every aspect just as He is. To be in Him and with Him always in His heart and in His bosom John 1:18 for companionship (that actually just came to me today as I was standing outside praising the Lord).
I usually state Jesus Christ as Lord along with thirty other names I know by heart that I call Him while in prayer. I do not call Him God personally. Although He is one with God and I believe He is the Word of God(as it states in Revelation 19:13. Also some titles the Father and Son share are Lord of lords, Alpha and Omega, Savior. As in the OT, using only one verse as there are many, that there is no Saviour but the LORD. Isaiah 43:11. Through out the NT God and Jesus Christ are both stated as our Saviour. Just some Titus 1:3, Titus 1:4, Titus 3:4, Titus 3:6.
So as you have your own beliefs, and just as well I have mine, I will stop here as I don't want to quarrel or argue any more about this. I believe Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God is eternal just as the Father and has always been with the Father. Yes His physical life came to this earth being born of Mary. As He had to suffer death for us as a perfect sacrifice or offering for our sins. Which is very honorable and why the Father honors Him higher than any other being. Even the highest Holy angels. Hebrews 1:4.
And about Him being at the Fathers right hand Steven saw this before He was stoned in Acts 7:55-56. So it's not just a metaphor. God Bless
Thank you for conversing with me on these couple subjects. Please let this be the end of our discussion with all respect.
About The Word of God not being Jesus Christ is your own belief. It is not from the pits of hell. Hebrews 1:1-4, Revelation 1:17-18, Revelation 2:26-27, Revelation 3:20-21, Revelation 19:11-16. We are to honor the Son the same way we honor the Father, John 5:21-23. The Messiah/Christ being the anointed one of God. ( 1 John 2:23-24.
Just to straighten up a little with reply about receiving the Holy Ghost. I never said my experience, or experiences, was "feeling peace". Me stating most people in the world would not believe my experiences is because they are supernatural things. It was not me who chose God, He chose me. I know not why. All glory be to Jesus Christ our Lord and our Father in Heaven.
I don't know of any Scripture of people receiving the Holy Ghost just by "feeling peace". Although I do know of one that doesn't state it was after a water baptism nor did they speak in tongues. Acts 11:11-18.
I hope our discussion shall keep you from discrediting other believers in the Lord just because they don't speak in unknown tongues. We should all try to help one another with our faith in the Lord. Hebrews 13:1-2.
Peace be with you.
Today I thought that Passover will be soon and people ask the same questions every year. Sometimes it's good for the secular crowd to hear that scientists try to prove the Bible wrong or woefully lacking. Not true anymore. They have proven with evidence that an asteroid killed the dinosaurs by fire or starvation with plant life gone. Only little chipmunks survived it. They were underground. Cool huh?
I appreciate the Bible online forum so much. I even wish there more of them. Most are for dating and small groups. I like the variety in KJB online. Why not a Pastors Online? I tell folks there are great FM radio ministries; 24 hrs a day.
One thing I've noticed recently, is that Goodwill has very few Bibles to resale. People are buying them! Now that's good news. 5 yrs ago I took all my old Bibles and Christian textbooks to Goodwill to get them in circulation. I can't wait to see new faces in our Bible online room, teaching me things the Holy Spirit showed them! He never tires of answering our questions.
I asked God one morning just before dawn broke: why do you feed the birds and cause people to buy tree food sticks to help trees be strong? This is what He said: The trees open their branches to praise Me, First, in the morning, and the birds adorn the trees and sing praises to me. The whole planet!
I'm sad sort of because I pull up at the coffee maker first, before I go outside to pray for the day ahead for all peoples. I'm no hotshot ex-evangelist. The birds and trees beat us to it every morning. The the moon says, no, I sat with God all night long. Round the clock, God is praised. :D
Let's turn up the Praise guys. We'll be with Him real soon.
I'd take issue on your claiming that "All four gospels say the crucifixion occurred on a Friday." It was actually, "the Day of Preparation." Preparation for what Sabbath being that there was also Passover, a Sabbath.
There is ambiguity in Sabbath in that it us used both to describe the weekly Sabbath, the seventh day and the Passover Sabbath and the Day of Preparation.
During that era, they could do Passover on two consecutive days. Some say that Jesus' Passover meal with His disciples was the early Passover day. One of the things that we have to allow for is for the women to PREPARE spices...
"And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid. And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on. And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid. And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment." Luk 23:53-56
Some think Wednesday, others Thursday and yet others that Friday was the day of Jesus' death. I lean toward Friday but think that there's a good case for Thursday. In a sense it's academic. My trust in Jesus is not the least linked to any particular day.
Thanks for sharing this interesting discovery.
Keep prophesying THE SPIRIT will cause some to hear.
GBU
There are many people who attend church, who look like sheep, talk like sheep; even serve in the church; but they are far from God in their hearts for whatever reasons. It's sad but it happens.
The Mark of the Beast will be put on hands or foreheads.
Right now people are not getting flu shots or covid vaccines because they are afraid it changes the DNA that Almighty God CREATED.
The Antichrist will not allow anyone to buy or sell ANYTHING without His Mark on your person. He knows He's got you if you have His Mark. He's only going after the people who Don't have it.
Vaccines are given in the ARM.
Obama Care as first written and presented to the public, actually contained a section that clearly said all citizens with Obamacare must be implanted with RFID CHIPS. The public put up a massive outcry over it, it was re-written to explain RFID implanting is only at the patients request in cases of diabetes, constant heart monitoring and Pets. Everyone should read the Obamacare act online and know what it says: EVERY TIME ITS REVISED.
Many people have closed eyes and minds to some facts about this Administration in the White House. Obama said on a televised lament, that HE wished he could run for a 3rd Term. Finally The Democrats lie, cheat and steal the current President into office. Who in his first 100 days hopes to rescind everything President Trump did.
The first thing he has done is REASSEMBLE the OLD OBAMA DREAM TEAM. This behavior is very subversive and out in the open.
That is how the Antichrist is going to come on the scene. Brazen, Openly denouncing anyone who is Religious, Attends Church who names Jesus Christ as Savior, refuses funding the killing of unborn infants. Who rejects sodomy lifestyles being taught in elementary schools.
It's unpopular to follow Jesus Christ and Father God. He's against everything most politicians who routinely serve up lies.
LIVE THE BIBLE.
An understanding of the answer to your questions requires a good bit of bible study. Scripture teaches us that God has a mark of authority. See Rev 7:3. God's seal, or mark of authority is his holy law (see Ex 20), which represents his character. Jesus said all of the law hangs on these 2: Love for God and love for fellow man ( Mat 22:37-40). The first table of the ten commandment law represents love to God. The second table represents love for fellow man. God's character and kingdom are based on the law of love. ( John 14:15). When we choose to keep God's law, which is also written in our hearts ( Jer 31:33) we show the character of God, and also who's side we are on. These are the people who will be sealed ( Rev 7:3). There is a great battle between good and evil, between Jesus Christ and his kingdom and satan and his followers. Simply, when we keep the law of God in our hearts, we have the seal of God (we are under his authority).
In contrast, Rev 13 tells us of the beast, also known as antichrist. Antichrist simply means someone who tries to take the place of Christ. ( 2 Thessalonians 2:4). This beast power (antichrist) also has his mark of authority- his counterfeit law. When we choose a counterfeit law over God's plainly written law, we can receive the mark of the beast ( Rev 13:16). This mark is not some visible, outward mark such as a tattoo, but a show of a heart that has hardened to reject God's law, and instead accepts the law, or authority of the beast.
The seal of God, or the mark of the beast is a sign (not a visible sign) showing who we serve. It's what's in our heart and mind (forehead) or by our works and actions (on the hand).
Hope this helps. Please feel free to study more on the seal of God and his law. Once you have an understanding of that, understanding the mark of the beast becomes more clear. Once you study and find out who the beast is, you will understand clearly the mark. Happy studying.