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The beast, the dragon and the antichrist tare Satan, it's his unholy trinity, Satan is the great imitator imitating God throughout the centuries in the the most egregious way, it's mockery. 2 Corinthians 11:14 , Revelation 20:10 , 1 Peter 5:8 , 1 John 4:1 , Revelation 13:4 ,

Babylon the great is deception, confusion, the confusion which people spread: Revelation 17:1 Come hither; I will shew to thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many peoples.

Matthew 24, Mark 13, Revelation 16:13, Revelation 19:20, Revelation 20:10,

Numbers 12:6-8,

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Right now, I pray the lord my God will guide me on this.

I'm 22 and I've thought about this a lot. I think it's simpler than what is expected. According to Genesis 2:7, "The Lord formed man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

If we look at basic organic decomposition, everything returns into the earth. The ground, the dirt, correct? So, our physical body returns to dust. That doesn't necessarily mean it happens instantaneously. It is a process that is perfect and effective.

Now this is interesting. Man had no soul until God breathed into mans' nostrils with the breath of life. Now we know that dust returns to dust. The flesh inherently is a part of the earth because God has made it that way. So, if our soul began with Gods' breath, that means our soul belongs to God.

That's how Gods' systems work. Where it begins is also where it shall end. That is with God. Evidence to this is in Revelation 20:12 "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened, and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."

From the first book to the last book of the Bible. It clearly shows that God is the beginning and end. He gives man his soul, and the soul of man will return to God. Even when the flesh has passed. The judgement will be a complete look into what the man has done with his life, and how it has shaped his soul. Your soul belongs to God. He gave man his soul, and in the end, he will Judge it.

Again, well said, Giannis.

Amen, well aid, Bob

Hello Bob

I absolutely agree with you. All the events described in the Book of Revelation are symbolic. Symbolic of what? We don't really know, we can make guesses. But even logical guesses may be wrong, BECAUSE we don't know the real events that are going to be. God's people through the ages have made very many guesses that all failed. Revelation is written in a way that people who are going to live at that time will relate the events taking place with what is written and can understand. Nobody can understand beforehand. I don't think God will reveal specifically to anybody (no matter how intense one prays and asks God for) the truth beforehand. He hasn't done that for centuaries to anybody, why would He do it now? Revelation is a book which is primalily written for people who will go through the great tribulation and antichrist. It is written so that they know what would be really happening and know what to expect and what they should and should not do. Also for non beleievers to believe and save their lives.

Just an example. If the mark of the beast is the bar code in a chip embedded in people, as many believe, who could have known that 50 years ago when that technology didn't exist. No matter how hard people may have tried to guess 50 years ago they could have never found out. Today we know because we relate something we see in our everyday lives ( the cashless society) with what is written and can make a good guess which seems to be right. So as the end times are getting closer and closer the more we will understand, but still I think many things will only be known during the last 7 years. So lets read the Book as God asks us to do, but this must be as far as we one must go. No vast time should be spent on trying to interprete it. It is a waste of time which could be spent to read the other parts of the Bible. There will be time when everything is going to be revealed. But I hope at that time none of us is here in this world to live during those events. GBU.

I was a pastor and evangelist for many years before an ailment prompted my retiring. During those years I have read and heard just about all the thoughts and theories on the book of revelation. And that my dear friends is all they are. Theories. No one has, or will be, able to precisely explain this book. It is one of the great mysteries of the Bible. I have read it over and over in my eighty-seven years on this earth. I started with my conversion at the age of twenty two. Some parts (few) would seem to be clear, but not enough to preach or teach with complete understanding. In fact, no one can rightly state they completely understand without doubt much of the scripture. We think, and read, with a finite mind. Whereas, the author who revealed these writings did so from his infinite mind. Who on earth is able to declare with absolute truth the mind of god? I have the belief of God revealing at the proper time, the true meanings of this amazing book. At that time the teachers and preachers eyes will be opened, and they will be able to enlighten all who are interested. Reading it will be as easy to under stand as John 3:16. But, of course, as I penned, it is just my belief and theory. Any believer who reads revelation should begin with prayer. Asking god to reveal what is important to their spiritual growth, and thanking him for his blessings for reading it. "Blessed is he who reads the prophecy's of this book" We are living in very perilous times. We should not be overly concerned with any parts of the Bible. Confusing our selves with un-anserable questions. Instead, we should busy ourselves with the importance of living the life god requires of us. I was, and still would be, a preacher of the New Testament, which I know is the most pertinent of all the Bible to read and study. Believers should be pondering how they can help others to come to the realization of their need to believe, and accept, his love and forgiveness. God be with you all.

Thank you GiGi. I am sure I will e able to give a good report later!

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Good Morning Carleton, I will pray for you today.

Dear Heavenly Father, we lift up Carleton as he undergoes surgery to repair damage to his eye today. Guide the hands of the surgeons and bring about a successful result, restoring Carleton's eye to better function and allowing this eye to see clearly again. Give Carleton a quick and effective recovery from surgery. Keep him safe through this procedure and we ask for the best outcome for his sight. LORD GOD, we know that You can restore sight to the blind, so by faith, we trust that Your will for Carleton is perfect as You answer this prayer we offer in Jesus' name. Amen.

Perhaps referring to: Revelation 5, 2Timothy 2:12, Revelation 20:6, context Revelation 20, Revelation 7:15, John 14:2,3,

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Ok. Carleton,

I will pray for you.

Good evening GIGI, I am sorry to hear about fires your way. Hopefully soon rains without lightening will make a nice autumn for many! I should have said so earlier, my eye surgery is tomorrow and I do covet everyone's prayers.

Thank you!

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Glad you checked in here today, Carleton.

Let us know when your surgery is so we can pray for you then. It is still warm here in the Puget Sound area. Last two days have been really hazy due to wildfires to the north and south. I am staying indoors so the smoke filled air does not inflame my lungs to kick up my asthma a notch or two. But forecast is for it to clear out tomorrow or so with a onshore marine push advancing upon us. This will clear the air well. I love these days in late summer. I can tell that Autumn is just around the corner, but there are still some summer days ahead. Usually, September sunny days are so comfortable and enjoyable.

Hello GIGI! Thank you for your kindness. I am well. I was inspired to check the site this morning discussion wise. I use the site daily for finding scriptures. Thank you Admin! I hope you are well your way too. I still have another eye surgery to go and then finally some glasses to see up close again soon afterwards. My son passed through your area and missed at least half of our extreme heat here a week ago. Fall will soon be here. :)

Carleton

Hello Carleton,



As Always glad to hear from you. How are you doing?

Are you seeing better now? I have been thinking of you.

I am adding this, so I am not to be misunderstood.

With the phrase "day of the Lord" the Bible refers to 3 different dates:

1. the rupture, which to me it seems to take place before the antichrist makes his appearance in the world, when things are still going well, so people deal with their everyday works as usual. This is something that can not be possible at the end of the 7 year tribulation period where so many catastrophies will take place and people will be scared to death.

2. the second coming of Jesus on earth to fight the antichrist with his army at Armagedon.

3. In those verses in 2 Peter 3:8-10 it is implied that the day of the Lord is at the end of the millenium.

So 3 different dates are called the same name, "the day of the Lord"

Those verses in Peter are very confusing to understand, if the millenium is a literal period of time. How come the Lord comes as a thief in the night when we know when the end of the millenium is, and the saints are already ruling the world?

Personally, I don't believe that the millemium is a figurative event like the Ortodoxes believe. So the only solution is that "day of the Lord" are called all 3 different dates. Same name, different dates.

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*resistant or resistance

God bless our conversation in Christ Jesus!

The foundation of amillennial belief is free will to choose to accept our human condition after leaving the first commandment, yet carrying the promise of redemption to the Cross by repentance and faith. The be-hind the scenes belief is in understanding the non-resistance Jesus had to the Cross and that he called his followers to do the same. Non-resistance and the predetermined will are incompatible with a return of Christ to the earth. The redeemed carry the promise fulfilled in peace in their hearts and lives until the last day.

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Hello Richard.

The theory that the millenium started since the begining of the church era and stretches till nowadays (and goes further on) is not new. It is a doctrine in Eastern Orthodox Chistianity. They believe that the 1000 year period is not a litteral period of time but it is figurative. and all events described are also figurative

Why do they think that? They rely on the verses in 2 Peter 3:8-10. "(8) But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. (9) The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.(10) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."

In verse 10 it says that the day of the Lord will come when everything (ie earth and sky) will be burned away. But that time occurs at the end of the millenium.( Revelation 21:1).It is when everything old goes away and new earth and heavens are created. So they consequently reject the theory of a pretribulation rapture.

What could be the answer to that? A possible answer (that my church believe is right) is that what is called "the day of Lord" is not literally a day or a specific time but a period of time. A period during which all the events leading to the complete ending of this world will take place, stretching from the pretribulation rapture to the White Throne. It seems that there is no other solution since we have to combine 3 different events in one "day". (a)The rapture, which for me is clear enough that will take place when things in the world are still going well. (b)The second coming of Jesus on earth. We know that time, it is at the end of the 7th week. (c)The distruction of the old universe.

Concluding thoughts Revelation 20

There are those in the Post Mil camp who insist the events of the end of this chapter are the same as that of Armageddon; or the Second Coming of Christ (i.e. there is no literal millennium period). This is excused by explaining that the church has been in the "Millennium" since the church age began at the Resurrection; and somehow it has extended almost 2000 years. The fact that the Beast and False Prophet are thrown into the lake of fire first and Satan is cast where they ARE at the end of the period should be clear enough. We also could look at the rule of Christ as the "day of rest" which would be the last thousand of a seven thousand year time frame allotted for man much like the pattern of 7 days of creation with the last day of rest. We see differences too in the type of invasion at the end of the Millennium (no weapons are mentioned and instead of being centered in a small valley it is a widespread mass from the whole earth.) There is some argument about the Gog and Magog war being in both time frames (Trib and at the end of the 1000 years) or one or another. That can be covered elsewhere. With Christ reigning He won't allow the years of famine; war and pestilence once again to occur (remember He said it would be a worse time than ever before OR again). The next chapter shows a new heavens and new earth where heavenly Jerusalem comes DOWN to earth.

We have the literal fulfillment of prophecies about Israel as to it's territory; and national repentance such as Zechariah 12:12 which simply hasn't happened yet. There are covenantal promises; which as far as I can tell don't have to be a mutually exclusive thing from dispensational time periods. The church is a new covenant which Christ fulfilled the law and made the perfect sacrifice once and for all. Or; more simply put with Christ ruling the THEOCRACY of Israel will return; and it will finally achieve the glory destined for it.

Further cross references to Revelation 20.

Please look into Psalm 48 on the fear of the earth's rulers seeing the literal heavenly city; as well as Psalm 68 to see that indeed mortal man capable of sin still will exist on earth. Even the 10 kings are said to live for a while after the Tribulation in Daniel 7:12.

The only idea that works in this chapter is mortal men existing along with the church (kings and priests); and those who survived the Tribulation (those beheaded for not taking the mark). We shall rule and reign with Christ in a unique way; but certainly there will be many who survived the Tribulation who will rejoice as well and perhaps in eternity will rule and reign in similar fashion.

The concept of not being anything but a final Resurrection is pretty well eliminated in this chapter as well. The first resurrection it bears repeating consists of all saints; but in 1 Cor. 15:23 clearly there is an order and a procession of the firstfruits from Christ until the 144,000 in the Tribulation and then of course the Resurrection of those saints who were beheaded in the Tribulation. The concept of descendants born in that time; some of which rebel as seen in Rev. 21 and some of which will no doubt live out the whole time and hence WILL be translated need to be considered. It is possible some who die could be written in the Book of Life and not be cast into hell who rebel at this time; but since Christ will be clearly known they will be held to a higher standard so we can't say that for sure.

The second death involves the resurrecction of the damned cast into the lake of fire. Isaiah 66 talks of those dwelling on the earth looking in disgust to those in an opening of hell (this could be those killed in Armageddon who took the mark of the beast who would be the goats possibly thrown in beforehand; or this could refer to something viewed in the new eternal earth. I would think the former as these things likely would be hidden from us in eternity.

Revelation chapter 20.

This chapter; like all scriptures should be taken as a literal prophetic event unless certain things are clearly symbolic. In this case everything is given a literal time frame and sequence; with supporting details not only in this chapter and the rest of Revelation; but other books including the Old Testament in scripture.

We can argue what we may about a Post Millennium mindset and agree to disagree if we have a basic belief in Christ's PHYSICAL return to earth in the future (something which FULL preterists seem to think has already occurred but in some mystical fashion). That would be the only case where we should disfellowship; and I and another brother in the Lord were forced to do that a few years ago. Something else which I consider very dangerous is the mindset that Satan is already bound in the bottomless pit. This is notwithstanding all the promises of the church that the powers of darkness will have no affect on us. There is certainly no limitation on killing the saints of God which Satan will do and continue to do until his punishment is enacted (at the end of the Tribulation and the end of the battle after he is released after the 1000 years). The general statement that a time worse than any that has ever happened or will ever exist again ( Matt. 24:21) with all the percentages of deaths listed in Revelation certainly has not occurred yet. We need to examine other scriptures such as Isaiah 14:17; Isaiah 41:5-13 on the coastlands burning; Isaiah 13:12 on man being rarer than the "gold of Ophir"; Isaiah 30:28 about the nations being put into the seive of destruction; Zechariah 12:9 on all nations gathered and half of Jerusalem taken and numerous other prophetic passages to see that indeed Armageddon must occur. Other verses talk of clear descriptions of mortal man still capable of sinning on the earth in the Millennium such as Zechariah 14:17-18; and Isaiah 65:20-25 being two of the clearest examples.

Scripture on when we die: John 3:16, John 5:24, Romans 5, Romans 6, 2Corinthians 1:9,10, 2Timothy 1:10, 1Peter 3:18, Revelation 1:17,18

Luke 16:19-31, Matthew 25:31-46, Ezekiel 18:4-32, Luke 20:36-38, Hebrews 9:27-28, James 5:20, 1John 3:14,

John 11:25,26, Romans 8:13, Romans 8, Romans 14:8, 1Corinthians 15:22, 1Corinthians 15,

Revelation 14:12,13, Revelation 2:10,11, Revelation 20:6,13,14, Revelation 21, Revelation 22,

Hebrews 11:5,

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It's most likely this Angel is Michael.

Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain upon his hand

Hi Alex. In Matthew 4:8-10, we read, "Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve."

In this specific test that Satan placed before Jesus, we note that Jesus didn't oppose Satan on the point of "All these things will I give thee", but on the point of 'falling down & worshipping him (Satan)'. Even though God is the Creator & Sustainer of the World & will always have full authority over all His Creation, the advent of sin into mankind which also affects the rest of creation, Satan is now in the seat of control over the hearts & minds of men ( 2 Timothy 2:26; 1 John 5:19). He has captivated our hearts by the deceitfulness of sin, men given over wholly to him, and only by the presentation of the Life-giving Gospel can those same sinners have a spark of Holy Light enter in that can upset Satan's plans & strong grip.

So, presently the World is under Satan's control & deception, as he blinds hearts & minds to the Truth of the Gospel, but God still has the final say & of course the ultimate victory when Satan will one day be bound & destined to that eternal flame and the new heavens & earth arrive, without the stain of corruption ( Revelation 20:10-15; Revelation 21:1-3).

John 8:42-44, Ephesians 4:14, Revelation 12:9, Revelation 18:23, Revelation 20:3, he is deceiver, liar,

Psalms 24:1, 1Corinthians 10:26, The Earth's the LORD's & fullness thereof

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Sixth Seal: Revelation 6:9-11

Our pastor was discussing this verse with others this morning on the awareness of those who have passed from this earthly tabernacle to heaven before they get their Resurrected bodies.

Some of the Post-Mil camp seem to indicate this is describing all the martyrs of church history.

It could be said that they also are aware of these things; but the SPECIFIC method of beheading seems to be indicated in Revelation 20:4 as well as the clue in verse 11 to be "killed as they were". There is also a distinct time frame "a little while" in verse 11 as well.

Several inferences can be made from this information. First; it is clear that there is anger and probably blame for what is going on from those who still cling tenaciously to the witness of Christ while others are dying in this manner. The resulting event in the sixth seal immediately following shows the awareness of God and the Son and judgment impending.

Secondly; there is no mention yet of the mark of the Beast or even the two prophets at this point. Certainly martyrdom will continue after a pause (possibly being prevented for a large part during the ministry of the 144,000 when the great multitude comes to faith). Since the woman riding the Beast characterizes this time in Rev. 17:7 the false religion of the world is the likely culprit for most of these killings; later Antichrist destroys this system to get all worship for himself then starts his own killing campaign. ( Rev. 17:16). It appears the 5th Trumpet brings the demonic entity that energizes the Antichrist bringing him to life from an apparent deadly wound ( Zech 11:17). All things in their due time.

Dear "Jesse" i agree with you here. Because as long as God's Spirit is on earth, He will not destroy the one or those who live here. Then a few years remain for the doubters to come to God and as everyone knows it will be a terrible time. But some will make it, those are the ones mentioned in Revelation 20:4. Some will probably disagree with this. But read it sometimes, pray over it and see. We're not there yet. Should now the mark of the beast come shortly. We all have little time to survive, right? Until then, may we be confident in God's promises. Love each other deeply and forgive each other. Then everything will be fine, i Jesus name. God bless you all in Jesus, i love you all in Christ. Stay strong in the word. Act 1

Bible has the final authority in all manner of faith and practice. I encourage everyone to read only what God says, which is forever settled-The Bible is the finish revelation of God. Maybe you need to memorize the Bible then read whatever book you want to read to know they are in line with the word of God. The Bible is complete to show you current circumstances and listen only to saved fellow believers' advices.

2 Peter 1:19-21

Jeremiah 23:29-31

Jeremiah 14:14-15

1 Corinthians 13:9-10

2 Corinthians 5:7

(For we walk by faith, not by sight:) If you want to see 20/20 vision, it is all written in the Bible.

Titus 1:9-11

Beware:

Matthew 16:6

Matthew 16:11-12

Mark 8:15

Luke 12:1

Colossians 2:8

2 Timothy 3:13

Revelation 20:10

Glory to God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Hello,

1st want to address

The Earth is The LORD's & the fulness thereof! Psalms 24:1, Daniel 7:13-14, Romans 6:9,

Dominion GOD gave to mankind. Genesis 1:26,27,28,

War in Heaven: cast out, Revelation 12:7-17, persecution but not dominion, John 8:42-44, Revelation 20:7-15, Please read all of Chapter for context. Revelation 13, Revelation 20, deceiver like Genesis 3, James 4,

Psalms 145:1-13, Daniel 4:2,3,34, Daniel 6:26, Ephesians 1:17-23, Ephesians 6:11-18,

Hopefully these are helpful,

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