Discuss Revelation 20 Page 6

Sister GiGi:

You said in the resurrection, referring to the coming resurrection.

What about the first resurrection, you don't believe you were part of the first resurrection; therefore avoiding the second death.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and Holy is he that hath his part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power

God Bless You!

Yes for sure, Use every chance to try and save someone, there u are home, not home, ect. Holding on to Jesus Christ. Love u all

Dear brother

You are right about the prophesy of Isaiah, it is sbout Christ's thousand year reign. But who are the saints that will take part in that?

Let's read Revelation 20:4

"4 - And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

Reading the above verse It is obvious that the ones who will reign with Jesus are those who resisted antichrist and didn't get the mark and got beheaded. I think that among these people there should be Jewish people as well but not only them.

The prophesy in Matthew 24: is often attributed by some christians to the siege of Jerusalem by Romans but could be for the one by the beast as well.

GBU

Yes, thank you for these Scripture examples.

A few interesting observations on how God preserved people through Tribulations .

Noah was taken through the flood , not spared the flood . yes He was righteous and obeyed God and built the ark .

Daniel was taken through the Lions den , not spared the loins den , Yes he was righteous and trusted God . survived it unharmed .

Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego , they where righteous and chose to Honor God and would not bow to the Nebuchadnezzar image , they where thrown into the fiery furnace , where not spared the furnace but where preserved through it .

I can say I have had a few experiences like these because I trusted the Lord Jesus at the time . Not quite as dramatic as these examples , but just as deadly they could have been. So yes God works this way today and in the future .

Trust Him the only sure way ...

you mentioned the parable of the ten virgins , Id like to mention after much reflection on this parable ;All believed that The Lord was coming and went out to meet him . But wisdom is not knowledge , but rather How you live or do not live , in other words your WORKS . So the wise lived well and had the fruit that remained . Apostle Paul mentioned about laying up in store a foundation to endue the coming day . My real point is as the Bible says often , BE A DOER , NOT A HEARER ONLY .

Thanks may we all go on by Gods Grace

Dear GiGi that happened in 1949. Jews were exiled from their own country since Romans destroyed Jerusalem (Jews revolted twice against the Roman rule). Solomon's Temple was destroyed too. The city was rebuilt but Jews were prohibited to enter the city untill the 7th centuary AD. In 1949 after WW2, that land was given by the British to Jews to re-enhabit it and the new country of Israel was formed and Jews from all over the world started to gather in their ancient land. At that time God's promise that He will gather them to their land was fulfiled.

Is there any other promise left for them to be fulfilled ?

In the NT Paul talks about his nation, what is going to happen in the last days. He doesn't say that a new country will be formed with Christ as their leader that will rule on the whole earth. But he says that all Israel will believe in Christ " after the fulness of gentiles be come in", Romans 11:25-27. After 'the fulness of gentiles be come in' means that no other gentile is left to be saved. When is that going to happen?

Lets go to Revelation

The 144000 saved at that time are the first Jews to be saved, Revelation 7:4-8. Then the rest of these people will be saved. Question. If salvation for Israel starts during antichrist's time, during the great tribulation (Its obvious that these things happen during tribulation because in the next verses 9-17 we read about the ones in Heaven that were slaughterd by antichrist) when is that time that Jesus with Israel rules on earth? Doesn't make sense, does it? In Revelation 12:1-6 we read about that woman that was sent by God to the dessert. Who is that? It is obvious it is Israel, see verse 1. Antichrist will go after Israel and God will protect them. There is nothing else left for Israel untill the fight of Armagedon. Is it that Jesus will rule on earth with Israel during the next 1000 years? No, Revelation 20:4-6 talks about those that didn't receive the mark and were slaughtered. End of time, nothing else left.

Since I ran out of space I thought I'd add one more comment.

The #1 criticism often received is someone claims I don't believe in grace or that I believe we're saved by effort. That is a strawman argument and is untrue. The Bible says Christ followers will be saved by grace, not by works. That is not what is being contested.

Just because we will be saved by grace doesn't mean we should stop obeying Christ! It doesn't mean we should stop following Christ! The fruit of faith is works. A Christian is a Christ follower and if someone doesn't follow Christ they by definition are not even a Christian. And if not a Christian, that person should not expect the benefits of salvation. Matthew 7:21. Many will feel very entitled but will be shocked they aren't welcomed. This is the wake up call many need right now. Get right with the Lord today before its too late!

A Christ follower is action. Those who aren't actively following Christ are may not be Christ followers. And just because we're imperfect and fall down from time to time doesn't mean we're not Christians. This is very different from someone turning their backs on Jesus and following the pleasures of the world (satan). But Jesus said He would go after the lost sheep, not lost wolves! Many people assume they're followers because a pastor told them so, but are instead lost wolves expecting all the benefits of salvation for doing nothing. God bless.

People have freewill:

Psalms 25:12

Joshua 24:15 "choose you this day whom ye will serve"

Psalm 119:30

Luke 16:13

Proverbs 3:31

Fear God:

Joshua 24:14

Psalms 25:12

Proverbs 1:29

Seek God:

Psalms 63:1

All will be judged:

2 Corinthians 5:10

Romans 2:16

John 12:48

Hebrews 9:27

Revelation 20:12

Amen and Amen Sister Kay:

Concerning the tribulation of some in other parts of the world, and possible here in the USA.

There go I, but by the GRACE OF GOD.

GOD'S WORK'S are past finding out.

God Bless You!

As far as being 'worthy to escape' - that doesn't necessarily mean 'escaping' out of this world. Some commentators say this verse refers to the believing Jews who escaped the destruction of Jerusalem. They heeded Christ's warning, and when they saw the armies of Rome amassing, they high-tailed it out of the area!



Other examples of 'escape' -

The three Hebrew children 'escaped' - AFTER being thrown in the fire! Their being kept IN the fire WAS their 'escape'.

Noah 'escaped' the flood...but he endured a lot while building the ark and weathering the storm!

Peter 'escaped' Herod by an angel on time - but had to survive being arrested, just the same.

We have been, are, and will yet be kept from many harms...but other tribulations appointed by God, we must endure, knowing that IN them and THROUGH them, by God's power, we 'escape' danger to our souls.

We so want physical escape; we so want to be spared troubles. That's natural!! No one wants them! Yet, Jesus said that the tribulation will try EVERY person!! Peter told us about the 'trying of our faith', and not to be amazed at 'FIERY trials'. These are the very things that prove if we have true, saving faith, and if we have it - these purify it! In a way, it's a blessing to be tested here, and have our faith tried, so that we ourselves have the confidence that it is real and true and of God!

None of us in the US have been in TRULY fiery trials. HARD ones, to be sure, but fiery...not so much. Why do I say this? Because I've read Foxe's Book of Martyrs; I've read about what, i.e., Chinese Christians have, and do suffer...or what Christians in Muslim countries endure and......oh brethren...we haven't suffered ANYTHING...yet. Let us cry to the Almighty for strength, that no matter WHAT He sees fit to bring us through, we will rest ON Him and in Him! Amen! HE will uphold us by His grace! He has promised to save us to the uttermost! Let us trust on Him no matter what!

Hi all siblings. Today I came across some words that Jesus says in Mark 13. See in the passage The Son of Man comes verses Mark 13:24-27

We must all understand now i think, we are in this time. But there is no consolation: for it is getting worse.

Here I ask you all to be careful. Ever since my 1st day as an adult Jesus saved. Have i thought that this promotion has rubbed something terrible in my heart and ears. Something that is clear and should be for everyone is the following:

When Jesus comes, He will not kill us first. He wants to take us home to Him, right? Then those who live will be promoted! When Jesus tells as Matthew 24:12 writes, it becomes an explanation of what will happen when He returns. If we read this in its entirety, we will see the passage of the Son of Man Matthew 24:29-31

Then Jesus tells afterwards that one is taken away and one is let back. See this dear friends. Do not be fooled by anyone who has received great revelations about this. Someone has changed these sections. We chosen righteous will be with the end. But in the end, He comes as we wait. Then someone joins up to heaven. Only those who have Oil on their lamps.

We live in that time for the mark of the beast and have done so for a long time see Revelation 13:15 to give breath to the mark of the beast.

When we talk about TV and internet pc also further. I just have to say from my place: Have we not become quite strangely addicted to this vivid picture? I know of fine Christian Believers who sit in front of the TV screen every hour of the day! It's a shame, but they calm it down it's innocent. That's it not! They sit at home in their own living rooms and get scared, fearing all sorts of strange things. Agree with this: Does not such a thing take us away from the Lord?

Another key thing: Why did Jesus say it was accomplished when He had to give up His Spirit on the cross? Stay blessed in Jesus Name.

Simplebeliever,

I'm sorry if I am misunderstanding your post, but it seems a little contradicting to me, mainly your opening remark that true believers will go through the Tribulation, and your closing remark that there will be a taking away or Rapture for all believers but it will be that they may not "endure the Wrath of God before the final destruction of the Enemy.

Can you please explain?

If it helps, Revelation 20:4 is not referring to the church, but unbelievers who were left behind. They rejected the mark of the beast after being persuaded by the angelic preaching of the gospel, and the gospel of the 144,000. They will be beheaded, but they'll be with Christ.

Dear Simplebeliever

Please read Luke 21:34-36.

"34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.

35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.

36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

Pay attention to verse 34. Jesus talks to His disciples. How, we christians, are of a danger to drift away from God and be unprepared due to the cares of this world when during the times of antichrist Christians are going to hide themselves to save their lifes and suffer because they will not accept the mark? How could we have cares at that time? If smd won't accept the mark he could not work, sell or buy. How can then care about this life? Care while suffering and getting beheaded by antichrist? Getting drunk while in danger? Doesn't make sense It is obvious that rapture will occur at some other time when people live an ordinary life.

Also pay attention to verse 36. Jesus tells us to pray to escape from all those sufferings and stand in front of God, not go through them.

HBU

Here are some scriptures to help you with deeper understanding I hope:

Matthew 24:3-51, Mark 13:5-37, 1Corinthians 15:41-58, 1Thessalonians 4:13-18, Psalms 97:2, Psalms 104:3, Joel 2:1-15, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Matthew 26:62-68, Mark 14:60-65, Revelation 1:7, 2Thessalonians 1:4-12, 2Thessalonians 2:1-17, Revelation 6:9-17, Revelation 7, Revelation 8, note Revelation 8:6 continues on through Revelation 9, & Revelation 10, Revelation 10:6-7, Revelation 14, note Revelation 14:12-20,

Matthew 25:31-46, Revelation 20:5, Revelation 20:12-15, Revelation 20, in context &

Revelation 1:5, Colossians 1:18,

Hebrews 6:1-3, Hebrews 11, Revelation 11:15-19, Acts 24:15, Mark 12:26-27, Luke 16:19-31

Hope these are helpful

Rev. 20 verse 4 makes it totally clear in simple language that true believers will go through Tribulation, refuse the mark of the beast, die by beheading and rule and reign with Christ for 1,000 years. They will not be saved by some movie fable rapture or taken away prematurely. The pre-tribulation rapture is a total Satanic lie that will create the "great falling away" of wannabe believers who will be discouraged when the movies and lies are shown to be wrong . They will have to face the endurance and death of refusing the mark. Satan's followers will not "fall away from Christ" but those weak believers will say the Gospel they were preached must have been a lie ; give up and wear the mark and fall away. Yes there will be a taking away or Rapture for all believers but it will be that they may not "endure the Wrath of God before the final destruction of of the Enemy.

Andrew, you are BORN AGAIN by the TRUTH OF GOD'S WORD.

Christ came as SINFUL FLESH, YOU ANDREW, SINFUL FLESH, died on that cross, You ANDREW, rose with CHRIST, the LIKENESS OF CHRIST, being in union with Christ, he is the LIFE, you are the BODY.

Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery....CHRIST IN YOU ........you are the body, Christ is the LIFE

Philippians 2:13 For it is God (the life) that WORKETH IN YOU both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is BORN OF GOD (born of truth, because God is truth) doth not commit sin....

TRUTH: you (the body) CANNOT sin because you ARE NOT the LIFE, but God is the LIFE, and God doth not commit sin.

Being born again by the truth of God's word.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and Holy is he that hath his part in the first resurrection (YOU and CHRIST rose as a new creation).......

Truth will set you free.

When you depart this flesh, you are instantly in the presence of Christ because YOU and CHRIST are ONE, joined TOGETHER.

God Bless You as you LIVE IN TRUTH.

AndreaDona, in your comments of Prophecy of Gog (Russia), you must look at:

Revelation 20:7 And when the 1000 years ARE EXPIRED, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Revelation 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the NATIONS which are in the FOUR QUARTERS of the earth, GOG and MAGOG ......

Satan has NOT YET been loosed from his prison:

The 1000 years are NOT YET EXPIRED:

GOG and MAGOG is all the earth, ALL NATIONS, not one single nation (Russia).

Keep studying God's word, the Spirit reveals as is needed by the ONE STUDYING.

God Bless You!

Page 2.

No. 2. Do You Think Jesus (DIDN'T KNOW) That He Was Calling (The Wrong Disciple) SATAN /A DEVIL: OR, Do You Think Jesus Decided To Go Against Scripture: And Choose "TWO" Devil's.

I think my response above, answers your question about Jesus calling both His disciples, Devil; that these men didn't turn into devils (nor can they), but allowed THE Devil to fill them & use them to work against God. Jesus was hearing devilish words/seeing a devilish act from these men, just as would be expected from THE Devil. As I mentioned, there can only be one Devil/Satan - others are either his spirit devils or those whom he fills to do his work.

Re: "Get thee behind me Satan" ( Matthew 16:23). Remember the Lord used the same words to Satan in Luke 4:8. In both accounts, Jesus was speaking to Satan - at the first time, Satan stood in Jesus' Presence; at the second time, Satan was present in Peter, in Jesus' Presence. Jesus saw the man Peter being used of Satan & Satan received Jesus' scolding. Peter suffered because of it but was forgiven - Satan will suffer into eternity never finding forgiveness ( Revelation 20:10).

One more verse for further confirmation:

"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years" ( Revelation 20:4-6, KJV).

Sequence of Events:

1. The first resurrection (this includes people who are killed during the tribulation for not worshipping the beast or

receiving his mark).

2. Those, who are resurrected, reign 1000 years with Christ.

3. The rest of the dead rise after the 1000 is finished.

4. The second death (for those who are not a part of the first resurrection).

Timing: Begins after the people are beheaded for their witness of Jesus, and for not worshipping the beast or receiving his mark, but before the thousand-year reign of Christ.

Here we can clearly see that there will be people who have been executed during the tribulation present at the first

resurrection. This can only occur if the resurrection occurs after the tribulation. These are the people who reign with Christ for a thousand years. If there is a pre-tribulation rapture, then these people are raised before the first official resurrection, they may not reign with Christ, and they may even be subject to the second death! Clearly, a pre-tribulation rapture requires that these verses must either be refuted or ignored.

I see that you have referenced me Alex, to which I will return some responses, after quoting you.

"Thus ALL men will be born again of his spirit..I will pour out my Spirit on ALL FLESH...Joel..." Joel 2:28 (cf Acts 2:17). Not all men will be born again as you believe - the Spirit will be given only to those who repent & turn to the Lord. An evidence of this first outpouring was at Pentecost, to which Peter references Joel's prophecy. ALL FLESH represents not All Men, but people of ALL Nations who respond to the Lord.

"there is only 1 thing that initiates Salvation which is the New Birth...Faith can only come by 1 thing hearing his word...And Faith is the evidence of a Birth of Christ in us." Alex, you've got this all mixed up. Faith is NOT the evidence of a Birth of Christ - Faith is a gift of God ( Ephesians 2:8,9) & with God's Grace, brings salvation, hence a new birth. The New Birth doesn't initiate salvation - the New Birth is a product of salvation. ( Romans 10:9,10; 2 Corinthians 5:17).

"It wd make God a hypocrite if he applied the curse of that 1st Adam to all men no exceptions mind you...But Not apply the blood of that 2nd ADAM Christ Jesus the lamb of God to ALL MEN NO EXCEPTIONS." If that were true Alex, there really would be no need to preach the Gospel, as according to you, God is bound to forgive all mankind regardless of their sinful state & hatred of Him. I ask again Alex, as I did many months ago & getting no answer, would you share the Gospel with someone who asks you for the way of salvation? If so, why? And what would be the message?

Lastly, "God is not a torment to them in Christ Jesus but only to the DEVILS AND HIS ANGELS." Please read Revelation 20:10-15. This Lake of Fire is not for purifying nor temporary, it's for everlasting torment for both Satan & his henchmen & those not written in the Book of Life. "Behold now is the day of salvation" - no other opportunity for anyone, hence the Gospel's urgency.

Debbie, Christ was DEAD, laying in the grave awaiting HIS resurrection by HIS Father. Christ is the BODY of HIS FATHER.

Christ has from the beginning been the BODY of the Father, and all the glory that implies.

He laid down all his glory, and became (sinful) flesh, born of a woman and died on the cross.

It was this body of (sinful) flesh that died, His FATHER (LIFE AND TRUTH) did not die.

Christ said into thy hands (Father) I (the body) commend my spirit (it's the Fathers spirit that gives LIFE, to the BODY).

Christ body lay in the grave three days, then A NEW BODY AROSE, by the LIFE and POWER of the FATHER.

That new BODY is MANKIND, the dwelling place of THE FATHER, and the son at his right hand.

Colossians 1:27 ....this MYSTERY ....CHRIST IN YOU.....

1 Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth it (his creation) a body (Christ is the BODY OF THE FATHER) as it has pleased him, and to every SEED HIS (CHRIST) own body.

YOU ARE THE BODY OF CHRIST, through the workings of CHRIST RESURRECTION.

Revelation 20:6 Bless and Holy is he that has his part in the FIRST RESURRECTION: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be Priest of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

GBU

Giannis, let's look at Christ's words and come to a deeper meaning of:

Matthew 7:21-23

You and I and all mankind were born as sinful flesh, not knowing the truth of God.

Christ came, in the flesh, as sinful flesh.

It, SINFUL FLESH, DIED with Christ on HIS CROSS. You and I and all mankind DIED on the cross with Christ.

Three days latter Christ arose with a NEW BODY, we also shared in Christ resurrection, we now are that LIFE.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy IS HE that hath HIS PART in the first resurrection,...

It is no longer, YOU and I as sinful flesh, but that ONE LIFE of Christ in now, US ALSO.

We are just the body, Christ is THE LIFE, therefore everything we do and say and think is actually THE LIFE of Christ causing it. We are being created in the image of Christ.

Christ is also a body, and the LIFE of the Father is HIS (Christ's) LIFE, HIS (Christ's) WORDS, HIS (Christ's works) WORKS.

Christ said, it's not my words but my Father's words, it's not my works but my Father's works, Of MYSELF I CAN DO NOTHING.

Christ said, I am the vine, you are the branches, without me (MY LIFE) you can do nothing.

Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery ..... (the LIFE) CHRIST IN YOU .....

Philippians 2:13 For it is God that worketh IN YOU (you died on the cross and became a new creation, you and Christ as ONE) both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

Revelation 2:26 And he that overcomrth and keepeth MY WORKS .....

And they will say in that day, Lord did not WE, and he will say depart for it was not you but ME.

Most believe that have life of themselves, but the word says life is only in the SRIRIT.

We are just the body that does the labour of CHRIST, THE LIFE.

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God (LIFE and TRUTH) doth not commit sin; for HIS SEED remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Christ's LIFE became your LIFE, and Christ cannot sin.

GBU

Sister GiGi: Revelation is very much ACTUAL; but the ACTUAL is hidden in symbols, metaphors, etc.

The seven seals were opened at the death and resurrection of Christ and pentecost, forty five days later.

Revelation 6

First seal white horse (Christ) to conquer (as Holy Ghost).

Second seal red horse (Satan to deceive the whole world)

Third seal, black horse, balances (judgement give to rightly divide the word of God)

Forth seal Death and the grave

Fifth seal Old testament saints awaiting Christ resurrection.

Hebrews 11:39 And these all (Old Saints) having obtained a good report through FAITH (given to them by the Holy Ghost), received not the promise (of Eternal life, but having to wait under the alter (the grave) for Christ resurrection).

Hebrews 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us (we shall never see death), that they (Old Saints) without us (New Saints) should be made perfect (through Christ resurrection).

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that has his part in the FIRST RESURRECTION .....

Sixth seal Christ crucifixation and resurrection.

Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon turned to blood.

Joel 2:31 And the sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible DAY of the Lord come.

Matthew 27:51-53 earthquake, Old saints resurrected, moon (symbolic of Christ, Psalms 89:37).

Seventh seal silence in heaven one half hour (symbolic) of the forty five days between the resurrection and pentecost.

Daniel 12:11 From the time the daily sacrifice shall be taken away and the ABOMINATION THAT MAKETH DESOLATE SET UP, there shall be twelve hundred ninety days (forty two months, Christ ministry IN THE FLESH).

Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days (pentecost, Christ second coming and ministry on earth).

GBU

A very fundamental lesson

All flesh is appointed to die.

Every soul that sin shall die the 2nd death.

There's a new birth at conversion for those who trust in Christ. This is defined in baptism.

And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: Hebrews 9:27.

There is in scripture what is called the 2nd death. This has been taken care of for those who trust Christ.

Without Christ you're already dead.

1 Timothy 5:6.

Ephesians 2:5.

Revelation 3:1.

Colossians 2:13.

Romans 8:10.

Mathew 8:22.

Luke 15:24.

And here's an important one for the brethren.

1 John 3:14.

John 11:25-26. Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

AND WHOSOEVER LIVETH AND BELIEVETH IN ME SHALL NEVER DIE. Believest thou this?

One of many verses on the 2nd death.

Revelation 20:13-14. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Eternal life.

If you truly trust in Christ, you have been baptized into Christ. You already have ETERNAL life. That's the only kind he's giving.

If you haven't truly trusted in Christ you're already dead while you liveth and it shows up in your living and it observed carefully you'll find it in their Doctrine.

Romans 8:9.

Romans 10:8-10. But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

God bless.

Present-day defenders of soul sleep include the Seventh Day Adventist church, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christadelphians, and others.

In regards to the portion of your question regarding death=sleep. We must be careful in understanding what is really meant and not fall into the belief of "Soul sleep." Soul sleep is a belief that after a person dies, his/her soul "sleeps" until the resurrection and final judgment. The concept of "soul sleep" is not biblical. When the Bible describes a person "sleeping" in relation to death ( Luke 8:52; 1 Corinthians 15:6), it does not mean literal sleep. Sleeping is just a way to describe death because a dead body appears to be asleep. The moment we die, we face the judgment of God ( Hebrews 9:27). For believers, to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord ( 2 Corinthians 5:6-8; Philippians 1:23). For unbelievers, death means everlasting punishment in hell ( Luke 16:22-23).

Until the final resurrection, though, there is a temporary heaven-paradise ( Luke 23:43; 2 Corinthians 12:4) and a temporary hell-Hades ( Revelation 1:18; 20:13-14). As can be clearly seen in Luke 16:19-31, neither in paradise nor in Hades are people sleeping. It could be said, though, that a person's body is "sleeping" while his soul is in paradise or Hades. At the resurrection, this body is "awakened" and transformed into the everlasting body a person will possess for eternity, whether in heaven or hell. Those who were in paradise will be sent to the new heavens and new earth ( Revelation 21:1). Those who were in Hades will be thrown into the lake of fire ( Revelation 20:11-15). These are the final, eternal destinations of all people-based entirely on whether or not a person trusted in Jesus Christ for salvation.

Main part of this answer from gotquestions.org

Hi James and thank you.

All flesh is appointed to die.

Every soul that sin shall die the 2nd death.

There's a new birth at conversion for those who trust in Christ. This is defined in baptism.

And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: Hebrews 9:27.

There is in scripture what is called the 2nd death. This has been taken care of for those who trust Christ.

John 11:25-26. Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

AND WHOSOEVER LIVETH AND BELIEVETH IN ME SHALL NEVER DIE. Believest thou this?

One of many verses on the 2nd death.

Revelation 20:13-14. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

God bless.

What I think, or what you think will not matter in the judgement but what sayeth the Lord. I would rather see anyone in church serving the Lord teaching others the truth (Jesus teachings) than denying him. The Lord can & will make a way if we are willing to do his will not ours.

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Spencer,

Thanks for the notes, and I appreciate your passion for the Lord. I'm not going to worry about you creating a lot of sin in your local community.

Here is my interpretation of verses, and the rational I assign to them:

Revelation 20:10 After the 1,000 years, the devil is put in the lake of fire where the beast and false prophet are.

Revelation 20:15 *Here is the beauty; everybody that ever lived was written in the book of life. God does this wonderful thing, that through Christ's blood, may we all have life.

The OT saints are already in heaven, under the alter. They were given white robes at the fifth seal, and told to wait till the 144,000 are killed at the seventh trumpet, for judgment of those on EARTH, Revelation 6:9-11.

Your heart is attached to Salvation, mine to the prophets. If you have any questions, or other topics, a second opinion, let me know.

Hi Roman.

Thanks for replying.

I've moved this conversation to a new thread since the other is a week old, And off topic.

You stated:

"Spencer, Jesus said 2 commandments are most important, above all. If I follow the commandments, I will be OK at that. I don't need to dissect a butterfly to see how it flies. My impression is that everyone good and bad make it to the promised land, the tainted spirits we wear will be made whole so we haven't the capacity to sin. Even though it's dangled in our faces, the lake of fire is only for the 3 evil spirits, and no one else. Too much speculation and fuss is made over what will never be known and confirmed from the hear and now. Anything that occurs past the 7th trumpet is beyond our scope, beyond our comprehension, and out of this world. For all we know, our salvation comes from being thrown back into the universe as dust particles, into a new realm.

I don't think about my salvation, I don't worry about it, because it's not mine to entertain, but God's.

My personal salvation is rooted in selfishness that I could be good enough to make the grade.

I seek truth well before salvation. I was never a fanatic for life, so I look forward to death, the charade over. I wouldn't mind being blotted out as if I never existed, no record, that would be fine with me, too. I will have to wait and see what the Lord has in store for me.' End quote.

Roman if I had that mindset there wouldn't be any need to witness.

Roman you said you believe the lake of fire was only for the 3 evil spirits. here's their fate. Revelation 20:10.

But in this same chapter here's

mention of the lost suffering the same fate!! Revelation 20:15.

Here's a few of many scriptures I believe.

We've all sinned and come up short.

Romans 3:22-25.

The payment/Blood sacrfice.

Matthew 20:28.

Hebrews 9:26.

Conclusion.

John 6:28-29.

John 3:16-17.

Romans 10:9.

1 Corinthians 15:1-4.

Thanks and God bless you Roman.

Perhaps later.

God bless.

Richard, not only is Revelation a parable, it is also signified.

Revelation 15:8 And the TEMPLE (you) was filled with the smoke from the glory of God, and HIS POWER .....

John 2:19 Destroy this temple (Christ came as sinful flesh, that temple (sinful flesh) had to be destroyed) and in three days I will raise IT (the new TEMPLE)(the new BODY (dwelling place) OF CHRIST)(we, the body, were raise up with Christ as the new TEMPLE).

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and Holy is he that has his part in the first resurrection ....

1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the TEMPLE OF GOD (filled with his glory and HIS POWER)......

Revelation 15:8 .......and no man was able to enter into the TEMPLE (the new BODY OF CHRIST) until the seven plaques of the seven angels be fulfilled.

The Father pour out, on Christ, those seven LAST plaques (the wrath of God).

Revelation 15:1 ....seven angels having the seven LAST plaques, which are the wrath of God.

Man CAN NOW enter into the TEMPLE (the Body of Christ), because the wrath of God that we deserved, was poured out on Christ.

We are that BODY OF CHRIST where GOD dwells and Christ sits at his right hand.

GBU