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I very much appreciate your time. As your reply lead me to do some reading about the "resurrections". Us in Christ being part of the first resurrection having no part in the lake of fire or "second death". Revelation 20:6.
As our Lord Jesus Christ being raised from the dead is our confirmation that there shall be a resurrection of our actual physical bodies. Acts 17:24-31.
In that the second resurrection is for all the people quoted in Revelation 21:8 as you stated. Those who are not with Christ.
As you have stated before "all shall worship God" with Scripture of it. As it is detailed in the Book of Enoch this is also correct though it shall not save them. From the second death or the lake of fire.
62.5 And one half of them will look at the other, and they will be terrified, and will cast down their faces, and pain will take hold of them when they see that Son of a woman sitting on the throne of His Glory.
62.6 And the mighty kings, and all those who possess the earth, will praise and bless and exalt Him who rules everything that is hidden.
62.7 For from the beginning that Son of Man was hidden, and the Most High kept Him in the presence of His power, and revealed Him only to the chosen.
62.9 And all the mighty kings, and the exalted, and those who rule the dry ground, will fall down before Him, on their faces, and worship; and they will set their hopes on that Son of Man, and will entreat Him, and will petition for mercy from Him.
62.10 But the Lord of Spirits will then so press them that they will hasten to go out from before Him, and their faces will be filled with shame, and the darkness will grow deeper on their faces.
Do you agree with these Scriptures?
As I also just want to be clear in what you believe the "second death" is. That this is where those souls/spirits will be separated from God, and us, for eternity? Or something else?
Thank you brother Earl.
As we are the tabernacle of God where He dwells. Revelation 21:3. If I may ask one question. In Revelation 21:7-8. How God speaks of two "groups" of people. They that overcometh which are His. Then basically the wicked who have their part in the lake of fire. How do you perceive this?
As you stated Revelation not being "literal" (which shall disappear or pass away). I understand as those things being in the Spirit world and not of this physical world which is all vanity. The breadth of God. Job 34:14-15.
God Bless.
I DON'T BELIEVE the scriptures can contradict themselves.
There are hundreds of places in the scriptures that say ALL will worship GOD.
They can not worship God if they are in Hell.
In Ezekiel 5 and Zachariah 13 it says a third will be brought through the fire; Revelation 9:18 says a third are killed by fire, smoke and brimstone. These have to be the same third as in Ezekiel and Zachariah because verse 20 says the rest repented not. This same third is the ones in Revelation 8.
Revelation 19 The whole chapter is about the ones called to the marriage supper. Before we can come to the supper we have to be cleansed. We are cast into the lake of fire (vs 20). We have our flesh destroyed (vs 21). God is no respector of persons. Have we ever been fearful, unbelieving, liars. Revelation 21:8 says all these will have their part in the lake of fire. Did not Christ have victory over DEATH AND THE GRAVE Revelation 20:14 says DEATH AND THE GRAVE were destroyed by the lake of fire.
I BELIEVE ALL THINGS HAVE AN APPOINTED TIME
Ecclesiastes 3
I believe ALL things are by the will of God; good and bad. His will is always carried out by man; but THE WORKS ARE OF GOD. Therefore GOD will have mercy on ALL; but in HIS appointed TIME.
Jeremiah 2:19 Thine own wickedness shall CORRECT THEE ......
Jeremiah 46:28 ......but I will not make a full end of thee, but CORRECT THEE in measure; yet will I not leave thee wholly UNPUNISHED.
Psalms 94:10 He that chastiseth the heathen, shall he not CORRECT? ......
FOR MEDITATION: If the damned have a natural body at their resurrection; literal fire will kill them in a few seconds. If they are resurrected with a glorified body: literal fire can't hurt them.
SPIRITUAL FIRE CAN hurt both; natural and glorified.
Please read Acts 1:13-26, in which you will see that Matthias was not chosen until well after Jesus' Resurrection AND His Ascension back into Heaven - somewhere about 40+ days after His Resurrection from the dead, best I think the contexts give us to try to figure this out, and "40 days" being indeed given in Acts 1:3 - Jesus appearing to the remaining 11 Disciples together, plus others as per Luke chapter 24, especially verses 9 & 33. "Eleven" are also spoken of in Matthew 28:16 and Mark 16:14, thus Matthias was not yet included with them.
I think these are all collectively referred to by God in I Corinthians 15:5 as "The Twelve" for simplicity of clear definition and identification of who all is being spoken of...the central nucleus of the "Twelve" Disciples of Jesus as seen over and over in the Gospel narratives; and the number Twelve fully corresponding to the 12 Tribes of Israel as per the last line of Revelation 21:12, with that clear relation given to the "twelve Apostles of The Lamb" in Revelation 21:14.
To say it another way and make a further point, I do not believe this I Corinthians 15:5 terminology of "The Twelve" constitutes anything of a discrepancy or contradiction of Scripture, when at that time discussed by Paul "eleven" would have been perhaps the more exacting number; the word "twelve" being just a simplification that clearly explains who is being spoken of, and that keeps the discussion going as everyone would understand what was being said and who was being referred to!
Dear Earl. I do understand your position about God's Judgement & the Lake of Fire, to which I'll refer to later. But to your question on Revelation 22:15 & then to Revelation 22:17.
Revelation chapters 21 & 22 speak of the New Jerusalem coming out of Heaven. Revelation 21:8 speaks of those sinners (as described therein) who will have no part in this glorious City. And of course, this verse is linked to Revelation 22:15. So in chapter 21, we read that those 'sinners' "will have their part in the Lake of Fire" & therefore, those in chapter 22 must also refer to those same people. But the question: are those verses in conflict (i.e. are they either in the Lake of Fire or are they living out their lives outside the new City)?
We know that this new City is prepared & brought down to the new Earth where no corruption exists nor can enter into, so what are we to make of this 'conflict'? If as you believe, that these sinners outside the City are the ones to be invited to "take of the water of life freely", then this new Earth is no longer pure & holy, as sinners also live on it. However, if Rev 22:14,15 does NOT refer to sinners sitting outside the City, peering in or longing to enter in, but rather being altogether outside the City, in Hell fire, then we have compatibility with these verses in both chapters. In Greek, the word for 'outside' ('exo') allows for being both outside of an area (e.g. Mark 3:31) or completely separated from an area (e.g. Mark 4:11). So, given Rev 21:8, one has to believe that these sinners are not waiting outside the gates, rather, they're excluded from both the City & the Earth, outside the Mercy of God, in judgement.
I very much enjoy reading your posts. Thank you kindly for your replies. It is a Blessing to be able to converse with you on things like this.
First I will start by saying exactly what shall happen is all up to God, and His Will, as you know. In reality I don't believe any of us can perceive how deep the thoughts, and plans, of God truly are. One day when we return to Him, after our physical death, then we shall know things not known in earth. Ecclesiastes 12:7.
As I'm still not positive if that you perceive ALL to be saved in the end but that's what I think.
If it is God's will that all shall be saved then I'm all for that. For His Will shall be done and whatever that is is what I want also. Though I have so many Scriptures that pertain to things like "the unsaved being cast into eternal damnation, it being better that Judas Iscariot was not even born, things of Heaven(which I believe to be the Spiritual Kingdom of God), our names written in the book of Life, that not everyone's name shall be written in this book, etc." Also of things like you stated how the wisdom of God shall fill the earth. Habakkuk 2:14.
I believe, from my aspect, that all have the choice and chance to be saved by God. His mercy and forgiveness is everlasting. No matter what we have done in our lives. Though it doesn't seem all choose that path or will be with the Lord for eternity. As even angels have sinned and turned against God.
I will just post all the Scriptures I have that I see these things in. As no man taught me about the Lord. God lead me to Jesus Christ who saved me.
About Judas Matthew 26:24.
Not all making it to Heaven Matthew 7:21-23, Matthew 25:41, Matthew 25:46, Matthew 13:37-43, Matthew 13:47-50, Revelation 20:15, Revelation 21:7-8, Revelation 22:14-15, 2 Peter 2:1-9, 2 Peter 2:17,
Heaven Matthew 25:31-34, 2 Timothy 4:6-8, Philippians 3:20-21, 2 Timothy 4:6-8, 2 Timothy 4:18.
2 Peter 1:20. May the Lord bring us closer together.
God Bless.
We are the TEMPLE OF GOD, the HOLY OF HOLY (Christ in you) is now in us along with the TRUE MERCY SEAT (HIS blood now covering us) The old was a shadow of the HEAVENLY. We are the HEAVEN OF HEAVENS. JESUS IS THE TEMPLE we have become ONE TEMPLE.
John 3:13 And no man has ascended up to heaven (shadow of the NEW HEAVEN) .....
Revelation 21:5 .....I make all things new...
Revelation 21:1 ....new heaven and a new earth.... God's hew home (TRUE HEAVEN) with a body now longer made of the dust of earth; but of THE GLORY OF CHRIST.
1 Kings 8:27 But will God indeed DWELL ON EARTH (the shadow was the tent in the wilderness; afterwards Solomon's temple)? behold, the heaven (old) and the HEAVEN OF HEAVENS (new) cannot contain THEE. How much less the house I have builded? God is INDEED DWELLING ON EARTH; but now in the NEW.
Revelation is about the Kingdom of God; CHRIST IN YOU. It applies to every person and their relationship with HIM. It's hidden in symbols. The Spirit has to reveal these truths to you.
Have you bought are sold anything in the last few days.
You are the temple of God; are you familiar with what happened to the people BUYING AND SELLING in HIS TEMPLE. Is the buying and selling more important or is HE AND HIS SANCTIFIED TEMPLE what's important.
John 2:15-16
Revelation 1:3 FOR THE TIME IS AT HAND
"by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men" Romans 5:12
"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?..." 1 Corinthians 6:9
"But your iniquities have separated between you and you God" Isaiah 59:2
"the wages of sin is death" Romans 6:23
"The soul that sinneth, it shall die" Ezekiel 18:4
"shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death" Revelation 21:8
"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire" Revelation 20:14-15
"For God so loved the world he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" John 3:16
"And all things are lf God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ...To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them" 2 Corinthians 5:18-19
"Grace and truth came by Jesus Christ" John 1:17
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and not of yourselves: it is the gift of God" Ephesians 2:8
"But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ" Ephesians 2:13
"and washed us from our sins in his own blood" Revelation 1:5
"the veil of the temple was rent in twain from top to bottom" Matthew 27:51
"In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace" Ephesians 1:7
"In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature" Colossians 1:14-15
"But God commendeth his love towards us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us" Romans 5:8
"And of his fulness have all received, and grace for grace" John 1:16
Matthew 13:37-43 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Matthew 25:31-34 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Thank you for that kind reply. It seems we have the same mind as I enjoy to read and agree with your detailed posts. Just as you stated Matthew 7:20-23. I also brought that up in that it doesn't matter how much we prophecy, or cast out devils(speaking in tongues also) that is not what saves us. God searches hearts and knows His sheep.
As in another post of yours I also agree Jesus Christ pre-existed. Having Scripture that shows this. Thank you for all of your detailed posts. You also being connect to the true vine our Lord Jesus Christ.
Revelation 21:22-23 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Revelation 22:1-7 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve Him:
And they shall see His face; and His name shall be in their foreheads.
And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
And He said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent His angel to shew unto His servants the things which must shortly be done.
Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.
gospel of the lighthouse
Jesus was sent only for the lost sheep of Israel and Jesus commanded his disciple to only go to the lost sheep and not to go unto the Gentiles.
Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Matthew 10:5-7 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
They did not until Peters dream and Jesus appeared to Paul, around the same time Stephen was killed. That ended the 70th-week. If you read ( Matthew 23:31-38) it shows who made it desolate and the temple was destroyed 30+ years later in their generation, by the people of the prince, Rome. When Jesus was talking to the woman at the well he talks about this happening. ( John 4:21-24).
God bless, Ron
Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in His throne.
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Revelation 21:5-8 And He that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And He said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
And He said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."
........ Revelation 6:14
"And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places."
... Revelation 21:1
"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea."
Revelation 21:1-5
1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. 6And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Revelation 10:7
1 Thessalonians 4:16
1 Corinthians 15:44
Matthew 24:31
1 Thessalonians 4:17
1 Corinthians 15:32
Philippians 3:21
1 John 3:2
Matthew 13:43
Daniel 12:3
Revelation 21:4, 5
Colossians 1:20
John 10
Matthew 22:10
Matthew 25:34
Isaiah 65:17-19
2 Peter 3:13
1 Corinthians 2:9
Matthew 21:15
Psalm 8:3
Isaiah 65 19-25
Revelation 7:16-17
so much more...
:)
Psalms 51:1
Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my TRANSGRESSIONS.
Psalms 51:9
Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine INIQUITIES.
Revelation 3:5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will NOT blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life....
Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Revelation 20:15
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Philippians 4:3.....whose names are in the book of life.
Revelation 17:8
Revelation 21:7
Revelation 22:18, a warning
Note: first 2 scriptures are what David prayed in prayer after he royally messed up, and knew it.
This is how we should pray in 1 John 1:9 always.
(Your Surety= Hebrews 6:18-20)
When we royally mess up.
We are a Royal Priesthood. In Hebrews 6:18-20 is named the High Priest of our faith.
Mishael
14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
Ezekiel 33:11-20
( Matthew 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 12:35-36 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
Matthew 13:37-43
( John 5:26-29
( Romans 2:2-11
( Romans 6:1-2
( Romans 6:15-23
( James 2:14-20
( 1 Peter 4:16-19
( 2 Peter 2:20-22 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
The vaccination is just that..a vaccination. Noone said you can't buy or sell without receiving the vaccination. There's no anti-christ false god sitting in a temple demanding you take the vaccination. The mark of the beast will be placed upon the hand or the forehead. A vaccination doesn't go on your hand or forehead.
Most of these "famous prophets" "YouTube phonies" people are talking about are quacks. Discernment is key and based upon Biblical principles and understanding.
Weather events and natural disasters have been occurring since the Earth was formed. Due to social media, more news coverage and technology we are more aware of these events and the news of these events travels around the world in seconds now. Yes weather patterns change. That is natural for the Earth. When the whole sky blacks out and the sun doesn't shine upon the Earth, then, it's time to worry.
Please stop giving into all of this fiction and begin reading the truth.. your Bible. Misinformation is spreading fear and anxiety into the world.
If you seek Real answers, Read the Bible!
I've listened to some of those folks teaching on what Covid means to this generation. The Bible names these things as PESTILENCE. Today's world, HIDES that by calling it, PANDEMIC.
Africa, the Mideast and other places are overrun with locust Pestilence. All their crops are being destroyed. The world food supply is being attacked every day. You can Google "Locust Swarms today", and read those reports. Our national news media NEVER reports that on the evening news. They have used the honey bee disaster occasionally. That's a Pestilence too.
Last year we had almost no hurricanes till the end of the season; and then here hey come: one on top of another. Look at the recording websites, daily, of earthquakes, volcanoes, typhoons, etc.
Three million Californians have moved to Texas because they greatly fear "the big one is coming". Population is shifting everywhere. Forest fires are expected every year now. Scientists say that Yellowstone super volcano is showing "signs" of great instability.
God in His Mercy is trying to get our attention off sports etc and onto His end time plans ( Matthew 24). Stay informed. Don't build your house on a riverbank, the beach, or in the middle of a forest!
Shockingly, there are 3 scriptures in the Bible that point to China as a pestilence/pandemic source. Mostly due to crowding, little food for the poor, and nefarious people. Type 'China' in the search box and get your Bible maps out. The ancient Mideast is named too.
It's been in the Bible for 2000 years. We just didn't see it until now.
Make PREPARATION, and receive Jesus as Lord and Savior now! Get your loved ones in His care, NOW. Quit listening to fools and read the Book of Peter yourself. Jesus is the Rock of our Salvation.
Trust Him, and Him only. The world, or Jesus? Pick only one.
Mishael
Exodus 7:1 And the Lord said to Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh....
A god has power over whomever is subject unto that god. The Lord gave power to Moses over Pharaoh, therefore Pharaoh was helpless before Moses. The only way the one under the power of a god is for a God of greater power to intervene. This is the situation of mankind today, we are under the power of a god of this world. We can't overcome him because he has power over us. ENTER JESUS CHRIST the GOD of greater power WHO CAN OVERCOME.
Luke 11:22 But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and OVERCOME him, he (the greater God) taketh from him (the lesser god) all his (the lessor god) armour wherein he (the lessor god) TRUSTED, and divideth his spoils (we are the spoils, and he gives Melchisedec the tenth).
John 16:33 ......I have OVERCOME the world (the lessor god).
2 Peter 2 :19 .....for whom a man is OVERCOME, of the same is he brought in bondage.
Revelation 21:7 He that OVERCOMETH shall inherit all things; and I WILL BE YOU GOD, and he shall be my son.