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Psalms 2:8 Ask of me, and I will give you the heathen for an INHERITANCE, and the uttermost parts of the world for thy POSSESSION.
Psalms 2:9 And thou shall BREAK THEM with a ROD of IRON (the word of God); thou shall DASH THEM IN PIECES (destroy their carnal mind) like a potters vessel.
Jeremiah 18 .....And RECREATE THEM .....
Psalms 104:30 Thou sendest forth thy Spirit (Pentecost), THEY ARE CREATED, thou renewest the face of the earth .... Revelation 21:1
Is not this the judgement written: BREAK and RECREATE.
Psalms 149:9 To execute UPON THEM the judgement written, THIS HONOUR hath all his Saints.
1 Corinthians 6:2 Know ye not the saints shall JUDGE the world .... Isaiah 26:9 When thy judgements are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.
Revelation 2:26 And he (my BODY) that overcometh and keeps MY WORKS (Christ, the LIFE of the Body) until the end, to HIM (my Body) will I give POWER OVER THE NATIONS:
Revelation 2:27 And HE (my BODY) shall rule them with rod of iron (the word of God) and as vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers; even as I RECEIVED OF MY FATHER .... Psalms 2:8-9
Revelation 12:5 And SHE (the bride of Christ) brought FORTH A MAN CHILD (the Image of Christ) that was to RULE ALL NATIONS with a rod of iron .... this honour hath all his saints.
God Bless You.
Isaiah 9:6
I was thinking upon this matter last night sort of along the lines that you posted.
I thought, well, of what great significance is it whether Paul or Matthias was the 12th apostle? Really. I don't think that this is a matter to really have a long discussion about, as it does not affect the topics of salvation, the truth about Who God or Jesus is, or the Christian walk. So, thanks for appreciating the discussion between all of us. I, too, find such discussions helpful. It takes me back the Word of God to find truth. That is always a good thing! Blessings to you today.
This is one of those topic that in the end whether Mathias or Paul is the answer, I have had the privileges to have known people like you and others who are willing and able to discuss Bible verses in a Godly way. That alone is very precious in my walk in spirit. I respect your belief on this topic and thank you so much for sharing your point of view. Kind regards. Agape.
knew that for Paul to believe his Son had to appear to him. Also acts 1:25 it is written That he mathias may take part of
this ministry and apostleship from which Judas by transgression fell. agapeo to you also this is what I see.
time by God through Jesus christ. God knew the heart of Paul that he loved God but paul after being born again was 3years
in a desert place away from man for God to teach Him the mystery of the body of Christ then he went to the church in jerusalem
to talk to the leaders their, thats in Galatians 1. When they saw the witness Pauls walk and talk they sent him to the gentiles
to preach the gospel of grace which is what Jesus Christ taught in practice to the Judeans.
Yes, it is for real, we will not be in these corruptible flesh bodies, 1 Corinthians 15:53.
Revelation 21:1-3 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Revelation 22:1-4 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. 3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: 4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
I don't think our human minds can comprehend what it will be like, I know I can't.
God bless,
RLW
"And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb." Revelation 21:14 KJV
"And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both (1) Peter, and (2) James, and (3) John, and (4) Andrew, (5) Philip, and (6) Thomas, (7) Bartholomew, and (8) Matthew, (9) James the son of Alphaeus, and (10) Simon Zelotes, and (11) Judas the brother of James." Acts 1:13 KJV
The reason I ask this very important question is to prove what truly the Bible said not what men or any religious sect says so. It is also important who is speaking and who has the ultimate authority in the Bible-Jesus Christ- John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Please understand the order of the Book of Acts.
Strong Facts:
"But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:" Acts 9:15 KJV
(12) "Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)" Galatians 1:1 KJV
"Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity." 1 Timothy 2:7 KJV
"Let his days be few; and let another take his office." Psalms 109:8 KJV
Romans 11:13
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
In my own opinion, I found that all other evidence verses are very weak indeed to call Mathias as the chosen apostle.
Weak Facts:
"And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen," Acts 1:24 KJV
"And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles." Acts 1:26 KJV
There is no death in Jesus Christ. The believers have given eternal life. Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus Christ. He is no longer an Apostle. Apostle Paul is chosen by Jesus Christ. Mathias was chosen by men. Why do you think it is written every 1st verse in Paul's epistles that he is the Apostle of Jesus Christ? Mathias disappeared after the 11 apostles casted lots. No where in the Bible account of his whereabouts or any epistle written by Mathias. Make no mistake Jesus knows His Apostles. Revelation 21:14
And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. Thank you.
God uses parables, and symbolism through his word.
We, through the working or the Holy Spirit, have to break down the symbolism to make all scriptures agree with themselves.
Psalms 19:1 The heavens show his handy work ....
John 3:13 No man has ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is IN HEAVEN.
Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery ....CHRIST IN YOU ....
YOU and I (the heavens) show his handy work and glory
Psalms 19:2 Day unto day uttereth speech, night unto night sheweth knowledge.
Literal day cannot speak, nor literal night show knowledge.
You and I speak, by the working of the Holy Spirit.
Psalms 12:4 Who have said, With our tongue we shall prevail, our lips are our own, who is Lord over us.
Philippians 2:13 For it is God that WORKETH IN YOU (this mystery, Christ in you) both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.
Psalms 139:12 Yea the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.
Psalms 19:4 Their (speech and knowledge)(Christ in you) line have gone through out all the earth, and their word (Christ in you), in them (You and I) (Christ in you) he hath set a tabernacle (you are the temple of God 1 Corinthians 3:16) for the SUN (the Father).
Revelation 21:22 And I saw no temple there in: For the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the TEMPLE OF IT (Christ in you).
Psalms 19:5 Which as a bridegroom cometh out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
Isaiah 61:10 I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul (body, Christ in you) shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation (Christ in you), he hath covered (blood of Christ) me with the rob of righteousness (Christ in you), as a BRIDEGROOM decketh himself with ornaments (Christ in you), and as a BRIDE (You and I) adorneth herself WITH HER JEWELS (Christ in you).
I'm out of characters I hope you see the picture.
God bless you.
These two covenants are as far apart as the east is from the west.
Revelation 21:5 ......I make ALL THINGS NEW ........
In the Old Covenant, LIFE was in the BLOOD.
Flesh and Blood CANNOT inherit the NEXT AGE.
Christ came as a BODY of Flesh and Blood.
John 3:7 .....ye must be BORN AGAIN.
We CANNOT inherit the next age, because we are still flesh and blood.
When this BODY of flesh and blood DIES, it goes back to dust from whence it came.
The LIFE goes back to GOD that gave the BODY LIFE.
1 Corinthians 15:49 ....we SHALL bear the image of the heavenly ....
1 Corinthians 15:53 ...this mortal SHALL PUT ON IMMORTALITY (Christ) ...
1 Timothy 6:16 Who (CHRIST) ONLY hath immortality ....
1 Corinthians 15:38 God giveth it (the NEW COVENANT IN CHRIST) a BODY as it hath pleased, and to ever SEED HIS (Christ's) own BODY (I AM the RESURRECTION John 11:25)
YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN.
John 3:16 Whosoever BELIEVES SHALL (at the DEATH of this flesh and blood body) BE SAVED .....Delivered.
Revelation 12:1 ...A WOMAN (Christ bride) .....
Revelation 12:2 An she (Christ's bride) being with CHILD cried, travailing in BIRTH, and pained to be DELIVERED (given a BODY to exist in the NEW COVENANT.
Revelation 12:5 And she brought forth a man Child, who was to RULE ALL NATIONS with a rod of iron .....
Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh (the deception of this age, free will) and keepeth MY WORKS ( Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD that WORKETH IN YOU both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure), to him will I give power over the nation.
Revelation 2:27 And he shall RULE THEM with a red of iron, even as I received of MY FATHER ( Psalms 2:8-9) ...
Ephesians 4:6 One God and Father OF ALL .....
Christ pour out his blood, and the flesh and blood BODY, DIED.
The Father RAISED Christ's BODY from the GRAVE and gave him a NEW BODY.
A Flesh and Bone BODY, the blood no longer the LIFE; but, the LIFE was SPIRIT.
John 4:24 God is SPIRIT (LIFE) ....
God Bless ALL.
Genesis 1:27, notice: Genesis 1:26,28,29,
Genesis 2:7, interestingly here "formed, breathed life" is this symbolic of the Church the body of Christ to come? John 12:25, Genesis 3:22, John 5:26, John 5:24, John 3:36, John 6:48,54, Titus 1:2, Romans 8:6, John 5:39,
Is chapter 2, symbolic of the stewardship of GOD's Church? Genesis 2:15, Matthew 20:8, Luke 12:42, Mark 12,
Back to Genesis 1, "man appears to be collective for both" yes in name like human, humanity, humankind "man"
see even more interesting = Genesis 5:2,
GOD says distinctly female & male Genesis 1:27,
It appears it could be those created to multiply, fill the earth, subdue were away from the presence of GOD, again seeming to point to the symbolism in the garden "in the presence of GOD " His church. Genesis 3:8, Genesis 3:23-24, Genesis 4:14-16,
Genesis 2:17, spiritual death? Matthew 8:22, Luke 9:60, Matthew 22:32, Matthew 23:27,
In the forming of Eve, it appears also specific, spiritual & special with symbolism, Genesis 2:21-25, Genesis 6:1-3, Mark 10:4-9, 1Corinthians 6:15, Revelation 21:2,9, Isaiah 62:5, John 3:29-36, Matthew 22, Luke 12:36, Ephesians 5:30-32,
1Corinthians 13:9-12, James 1:5, Ephesians 3:4,
Hopefully these are all helpful
Psalm 49:6-15; Psalm 116:15; Daniel 12:1-3; John 11:19-26; Romans 5:12; 1 Corinthians 15:12-58; Revelation 21:4.
Another sign: the Abomination of Desolation.
Read Matthew 25:15
Mark 13:14
Revelation 21:27
Another: Israel will be surrounded by their enemies.
Many of these signs are happening now. Now is the time to evangelize loved ones and others.
Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. John 3:7
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Revelation 21:8
I am warning you. Repent! You are kindling God's anger.
I searched for other red letter KJVs and they didn't have chapter 21 in red either, so maybe who is speaking may not be confirmed it's Jesus? One site said they think it's God the Father? I noticed Rev 21:7 says "I will be his God..."
When in Matthew 24 the apostles asked Jesus about the destruction of the temple and the end of the world (age) the first thing Jesus said was "Take heed that no man deceive you". I agree with you the rapture theory as taught is a big deception.
My understanding, 1 Thessalonians 4 along with Daniel 9:27 and parts of Mathew 24 and other scripture taken out of context has been used to create this theory of being taken out and up to heaven to be spared the great tribulation. The wrath of God and the great tribulation is wrongfully considered to be the same. The comfort in 1 Thessalonians 4:18 is they can be comforted they will not keep those who have died from resurrection day.
Paul tells us in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 Jesus will not return until after these two things happen. In this same chapter, in context of the end times God sends a strong delusion and the reason for it, in verses 8-12. My understanding, this points to Revelation 3:10 and also Revelation 13:11-16. God said He will keep us from this temptation that is coming not from being killed, the death of this flesh body. Our hope is eternal life not this corruptible flesh life.
There will be some that survive this time that is coming but we see in Revelation 13:7-10 and other scripture most will not. It is taught that this gathering of the saints Jesus takes us to heaven but scripture does not support that, I have not found one bible verse that says we ever go to heaven but the bible does say we will reign on earth and God will dwell with us and we will be His people, Revelation 21:3.
God bless,
RLW
Romans 14:17 The Kingdom of God is not meat and drink but rightness and peace and joy in the Holy Ghost.
Not sure how after we inherit all things some may not have access to all of God's eternal Gift.
2 Timothy 2:15 told you to rightly divide the word of truth, that is your problem.
Your divisions are wrong. See you at the judgment.
You not only strongly disagree with me, you strongly disagree with Jesus Christ, and everything else written in the Bible that doesn't agree with your extreme OSAS point of view.
Revelation 20:12
"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."
I guess you also disagree with the above scripture - stating when the "Book of Life" is opened - the dead will be judged according to their works!
Jesus tells us point blank: Revelation 22:14 "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."
So, you are simply ignoring all of the scripture that I listed above, and the entire gospel of Jesus Christ, and you state you are going to heaven anyway.
Jesus, will be our Judge, we can't just ignore all of the scripture!
God Bless.
Jesus gave plenty of warnings about this exact topic through parables and verses like this: Matthew 7:21. People who assume otherwise have to ignore most of the new testament's warnings and conditional statements: If... then... Rom 10:9, John 15:10. Even satan and demons believe in God and Jesus. Jesus said most people will go to hell and gave us Christians plenty of warnings. Jesus said to fear God the father. Matthew 10:28
Most of Paul's writings were to Christians in churches he was concerned about as they were going astray. He didn't tell them: just do whatever, and don't worry about obeying Jesus, because it doesn't matter. No, quite the opposite. Satan loves people not trying though. Paul said to run the race. Some Christians interpret this as "don't run any race, because it doesn't matter."
Nowhere in the Bible does it say that people who aren't following Christ have assurance of salvation. And nowhere in the Bible does it say we're saved now on earth right after saying a prayer and before Jesus comes and before we even face judgment. This seems to be the epitome of man-made doctrine not from the Bible. I welcome anyone to share any scripture that says this, because I hear it a lot, but never seen anything in the Bible saying that.
Happy to have a respectful dialog with any other perspective, but the Bible is clear what it says. Obeying Jesus is good and disobeying is bad. Those who disobey may not be Christ followers and don't have assurance of salvation. John 14:15. Also anyone can commit blasphemy of the holy spirit, which clearly says is unforgiveable, which alone debunks OSAS theory.
The new testament doesn't begin until Jesus dies on the cross. Jesus came for the Jews, not the gentiles, for the most part in Matthew, Mark Luke, and John, ( now John is different when he writes he has the gospels and Paul's epistles before him. What you are quoting was written to a temple attending, sabbath observing, pork abstaining, bearded Jew under the law. I'm not a Jew, are you?
If you want the doctrine for this age, read, Romans- Philemon.
Religion is what a man does to justify himself before God, salvation is what God gives a man who knows he can't justify himself.
You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free.
I don't want to argue, good luck working your way to heaven. I don't work to get saved, I don't work to stay saved, I work because I am saved.
My destination is fixed. I'm trusting nothing but the blood of Christ to get me to heaven.
I strongly disagree with you saying that Paul is telling the saved believers that they are going to heaven "no matter what". Paul is not saying this.
In the verse that you listed: Philippians 4:3 "And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life."
If it is as you say Paul and his fellow laborer's are destined for heaven no matter what - why are they laboring so hard? I'll tell you why they are laboring, they are struggling with everyday life, to live as sin free as possible and follow in Christs footsteps to assure that they actually do achieve the prize - Heaven!
If it is as you are relating here that all Christian's that believe that their name is in the book of life are going to heaven - no matter what - this is false doctrine, and for anyone to believe this, they we would have to ignore the entire gospel of Jesus Christ.
Matthew 22:14
"For many are called, but few are chosen."
Luke 13:24
"Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able."
Matthew 7:14
"Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."
Matthew 5:20
"For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven."
There are no free tickets to heaven, and it's never too late to change, read Jesus Christs Gospel found in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, and Believe!
Good Bless.
Paul is telling the saved believers, in Philippians 4:3, fellow laborers whose names are written in the book of life. Your destined to Heaven no matter what. Glory to God, amen.
Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all.
And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there. And Sharon shall be a fold of flocks, and the valley of Achor a place for the herds to lie down in, for my people that have sought me. Isaiah 65:8-10.
NOTICE: HERES A CONTRAST GROUP IN Isaiah 65:11-16. These blessings is not to ALL!
Isaiah 65:17. parallels with Revelation 21:1. So you can go back and forward between the two books and get the sequence of events in its order and see the players involved and their separate destinations.
Isaiah 65:18-20 is clearly Israel and clearly future. (Not the Church)
See here the parallels:
Isaiah 65:19. and Revelation 21:4.
Isaiah 65:21_23. and Deuteronomy 28:30-33 ( Deuteronomy 28:45-46) is clearly Israel.
Isaiah 65:25. Clearly future.
Notice the economy, location, two groups and two fates, in both Revelation and Isaiah in both books last few chapters.
Isaiah 66.
Isaiah66;17-21. and Matthew 25:31-46. (Judgement of the individuals of the Nations) Notice three groups 1) The sheep.
2) The Goats. 3) The little ones. (Possibly the 144000 sealed servants.)
Isaiah 66:22. Shows Gods faithful promises and purpose for Israel is eternal.
Now we come to Isaiah 66;23-24.
Isaiah 66:23. Speaks of All those who are saved!
Isaiah 66:24. Speaks of those who are not. ( Revelation 21:1-8.)
IS 66;24. And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against me: FOR THEIR WORM SHALL NOT DIE, NEITHER SHALL THEIR FIRE BE QUENCED; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh. ( This speaks of their eternal state of damnation.) as seen in Revelation 20:13-15. Revelation 22:11.
2 Peter 3:6-14. Speaks of two groups, repentance, consequences.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: ( Ephesians 2:8)
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. ( James 2:26)
Therefore, to believe the entire Bible and not just parts of the Bible we would need to say we are saved by both grace and works.
And many Biblical passages confirm this:
Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. ( James 4:7)
Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. ( Hebrews 4:11)
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; ( Hebrews 5:9)
and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. ( Revelation 2:23)
And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: ( Revelation 2:26)
I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. ( 1 John 2:13)
To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, ( Revelation 2:7)
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. ( Revelation 21:7)
Has Christ CAUSED you to believe on him.
Philippians 1:29 For unto you it is GIVEN, on the behalf of Christ, not only to BELIEVE ON HIM, but to suffer for his sake.
Christ is the book, the word of God.
Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery ....Christ in you .....
John 14:6 .....I AM LIFE .....
Colossians 2:13 For it is God (his life) that worketh IN YOU (his body) both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.
You are IN THE BOOK OF LIFE.
God Bless YOU!
So, at this point when no man knows and we're warned not to figure it out, I choose to trust. I feel we're "close" (of course, we're always one day closer) more so b/c of technology, the hate for God/Christianity, and unparalleled evil. The world's variables have now become constants for the evil powers that be, that man now can truly play God more than ever and run the WORLD. There are no more frontiers --only world domination. [No. Absolutely not, God will not allow man to MARS or any other planet. I'm already second guessing our moon landing. Soooooo many lies.]
I know our Father will give the OK to pull His church out b/f all hell breaks loose on earth ( Rev 4) --we will not be under world/satan rule b/c we already gave our life the Christ. I truly believe God is using this time wake us and sift us --who is true. If you can't handle today --you won't be with us tomorrow.
At this point, I just want to finish the race and hopefully hear, "Well done my good and faithful daughter." In Christ,