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Phil. 4:13, He maketh me to lie down = peaceful internally and externally =Col.3:13, in green pastures =
physical nourishment met beside still waters = sheep will not drink out of loud running water= phil. 4:8+9
where to keep our minds which maintains our bodies and spirit, that restores out souls. Paths of righteousness
for His name sake, Acts 5:20. Verse 4 = Ephesians 6:11. Verse 5 More than abundant life, John 10:10 second half.
Verse 6 Gods abundant Grace Mercy Peace Love and Forgiveness and the End Eternal Life through the Great Shepherd
Jesus Christ and eternal life in perfect bodies worshipping God in new Heaven and Earth wherein dwelleth righteousness
Revelation 21:1-4.
Hellfire is something that takes place at the end of this world, and not at death. John 5:28,29; Matthew 13:40. In it, soul and body are completely destroyed. Matthew 10:28; 2 Thess 1:9. It will consume the wicked into ashes. Revelation 20:9; Malachi 4:1-3; Psalm 37:20. Even the devil will be consumed to ashes. Ezekiel 28:18,19; Isaiah 47:14.
In the new earth, when all sin has been eradicated, there will be no more suffering or pain or death. Revelation 21:4.
answers one of your questions. Whats outside the new Jerusalem.
God will create a new heaven and new earth.
Revelation 21:1
"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea."
I believe that the new earth that God will create will be inhabited by people and animals, because God tells us so.
Isaiah 65:25
"The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD."
All of the people and animals will be different than we are today. The new heaven and earth will be total love! Everyone loving and getting along!
We will all be pet lovers in Heaven, and on the New Earth!
God Bless.
Did Satan deceive Christ when he tempted Christ; NO, because he had spiritual KNOWLEDGE.
Eve was deceived because she had no spiritual KNOWLEDGE, if she would have had that KNOWLEDGE she would have been like Christ and would not have been deceived.
Romans 8:20 It's God's word that says, MAN WAS MADE SUBJECT TO VANITY ......
1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceive, but the WOMAN being deceived was in the transgression.
1 Timothy 2:15 Notwithstanding the WOMAN shall be saved in CHILDBEARING ...
Revelation 12:1 And I saw a great wonder in heaven, A WOMAN......
Revelation 12:2 And she being with child (the new man created IN CHRIST) cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
We are the WOMAN, whether we be male or female, and we are going to deliver a new creation in the likeness of Christ, the Father of that new creation.
Psalms 104:30 Thou sendest forth thy Spirit, they are CREATED, and thou RENEWEST the face of the earth.
Revelation 21:1 And I saw a NEW heaven and A NEW earth: for the first (old) were passed away ......
God Bless You.
Revelation 21:24 And the nations of them that are SAVED shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
Revelation 21:25 And the gates of it SHALL NOT BE SHUT at all by day, for there shall be no night there.
Revelation 21:26 And they (the saved) shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
Isaiah 66:18-24
There was total darkness when Christ died, because Christ is the LIGHT OF THE WORLD.
Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven, a WOMAN clothed with the SUN (the light of the world), and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars (the house of Israel).
Revelation 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God doth lighten it, and the LAMB IS THE LIGHT THEREOF.
Our physical sun burns and gives light because Christ CAUSES it, Christ is the light (sun). ( Colossians 1:17)
The star the wise men follower was CHRIST, he is the BRIGHT and MORNING STAR. ( Revelation 22:16)
In the Old Testament Israel was the CHURCH, a shadow of the coming true CHURCH.
Christ is the CHURCH, Christ is the promised ISRAEL through Isaac.
Christ SAID, destroy this CHURCH and in three days I will RAISE it up.
If you bear CHRIST IN YOU, you are the true house of Israel.
Hebrews 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house (church), whose house (church) we are......
Revelation 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the LAMB are the TEMPLE OF IT.
Matthew 19:28 .....ye shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Zechariah 12:7 And I will save the tents of Judah FIRST...
The new covenant PRIESTHOOD comes from the tribe of Judah, the old covenant priesthood came from the tribe of Levi.
Good question. You are born again when the you respond to the faith that the Holy Spirit plants in you when you hear the gospel message. You receive the gospel into your being as Truth, and Holy Spirit will work in you the repentance from sin. Ideally, one would be baptized shortly after receiving the gospel in the name of the Father and of the son and of the Holy Spirit. This is the teaching of the New Testament church, but this was not without exceptions. Paul was born again when he encountered Christ on the road to Damascus. He received the Holy Spirit when Ananias laid hands on him and prayed for Him, and Ananias baptized Paul in water subsequently. The indwelling of the Holy Spirit is our guarantee that we have been saved in and through Jesus Christ. Baptism in water is our public confession that we have received salvation in Jesus.
Some people have a definitive conversion experience or dramatic. Others like me, not so. I was baptized as an infant and raised by believing parents, so I have always believed in Jesus as far back as I can remember. As I grew older, I also grew in faith and understanding of God and his salvic work in me. When I was in college, I chose to be baptized again because I understood it as a profession of faith already resident in me. But if I hadn't been rebaptized, I believe that my first baptism was within God's will as well. There is nothing in Scripture that says we can only be baptized once.
So, I am wondering, have you been saved? Do you believe that Jesus has saved you from sin, death, hell, and the evil one? Do you know that you have the Holy Spirit in you? You do if you are a believer. He lives in you when you first believe. In fact the Holy Spirit does in you all that is needed to be saved. He regenerates you. He brings you the gospel for you to hear or read. He provides grace to save you. This grace implants faith in you so you can believe. He comes into you to dwell when you believe. He forgives all of your sins.
Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh, I will grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Isaiah 66:1 Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool:
Revelation 21:1 And I saw a NEW HEAVEN..... the NEW dwelling place and the NEW throne of God..CHRIST IN YOU
Isaiah 66:1 ........where is the THE HOUSE ye built unto me
Hebrews 3:6 ...But Christ as a son over his own house, whose HOUSE WE ARE
Isaiah 66:1 .......and where is my place of REST.....The Father and His Son Jesus Christ and YOU are at REST TOGETHER in the NEW heaven, the NEW temple made without hands, the NEW place of worship ( John 4:19-22).
Cease from your works as God has ceased from his works, the WORKS were FINISHED at the cross.
The only LABOUR left is to bring man TO KNOWLEDGE
Isaiah 5:13 Therefore my people go into captivity, because they have no KNOWLEDGE: and their honourable men are famished, and their multitudes dried up with thirst.
Judgement is not punishment.
Psalms 89:14 Justice and judgement are the habitation of thy throne, mercy and truth shall go before thy face.
Psalms 37:28 For the LORD loveth judgement .....
Matthew 23:23 Woe unto to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites .....and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, JUDGEMENT, MERCY, and FAITH .......
Wrath and indignation are punishments.
The Father put all HIS wrath and indignation upon Christ, so man would not have to suffer God's wrath and indignation.
Revelation 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the LAMB are the TEMPLE of it.
Revelation 15:5 And I looked, and, behold, the TEMPLE of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:
We know that Revelation is the revealing of Jesus Christ. When John came preaching the kingdom of God, the TEMPLE of the tabernacle of the testimony was opened to man.
Revelation 15:6 And the seven angels came out of the TEMPLE (Lord God Almighty), having the seven plagues, clothed in pure white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.
Revelation 15:7 And one of the four living creatures (one of the living creatures is MAN) gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials (sins of mankind) full of the WRATH OF GOD, who liveth for ever and ever.
Revelation 15:8 And the TEMPLE of God (THE LAMB) was filled with smoke from the glory of God (the Father), and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the TEMPLE (INTO CHRIST), till the seven plagues (WRATH AND INDIGNATION of God was poured out on Christ) of the seven angels we fulfilled.
After Christ (THE TEMPLE) was resurrected, then man could enter into the TEMPLE (INTO CHRIST).
God bless you.
Mathew 24:35, Mark 13:31, Luke 21:33, Psalm 37:1-40,
2 Corinthians 5:17, Isaiah 48:6, Revelation 21:5, 2 Peter 3:13, Isaiah 65:17, Revelation 21:1,
Mathew 6:30-33
Hopefully this is helpful & encouraging.
So you want us to disregard all of this scripture?
Isaiah 44:6
"Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."
Isaiah 48:12
"Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last."
Revelation 1:8
"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."
Revelation 1:17-18
17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Revelation 21:6-7
6 "And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely."
7 "He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son"
Revelation 22:12-17 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. 16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. 17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Based on Scripture - Jesus is God.
God Bless.
2 PETER CHAPTER 3
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent HEAT, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be BURNED UP.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the FAY OF GOD, wherein the heavens being on FIRE shall be dissolved, and the elements shall MELT WITH FERVENT HEAT?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. (See BORN AGAIN in John 3)
15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
See also: Isaiah 51:6, Revelation 21:1
Timing of Jesus's Return is any time now.
God is going to restore the earth to like it was in the Garden of Eden. No scars, no pollution, no sin; no Satan, no demons; all extinct animals and creatures will be returned.
Be born again now. Don't procrastinate!
M.
God's 'Simple' Will: Link
Based on scripture spoken by Jesus, it happens when you accept and believe that Jesus is your Savior, receive water baptism, and then receive God's Holy Spirit. = Born Again. Please see scripture below:
John 3:16
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Hope this helps you.
God Bless.
No. We're free to go to Church any day of the week that suits us.
The Sabbath Day has always been observed on Saturday. The Sabbath Day is a Day of rest. God created the Sabbath Day at the creation of the world, God rested on the 7th day.
Mark 2:27
"And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:"
In creating the 4th Commandment, God gave us a day to rest our body and mind, and to also reflect on God, to give thanks to Him, and also to allow us to do good things on this day, as Jesus demonstrated by healing and helping those in need on the Sabbath Day!
I look at Sabbath/Saturday as a gift from God, and use it to rest, pray, help others when I can, and just rejuvenate my body and mind! I've found in the past that if I don't make it a habit to observe Saturday, then I just end up doing all of the same worldly things that I do during the regular work week, hence I fall into the same worldly Rat Race mindset.
God Bless.
Also, this born again nature is lifetime.
:)
You are born again, by the WORD(S) of God becoming apart of YOU, being made ONE with the WORD(S) of God.
1 Peter 1:23 Being BORN AGAIN, not of corruptible seed, but if incorruptible (SEED, THE WORD), by the WORD(S) OF GOD, which liveth and abideth (IN YOU) for ever.
The Holy Spirit indwells you to accomplish this IN YOU. It takes YOUR LIFETIME.
Continue to study and always ask the Spirit to make known HIS words to you.
Time studying and asking, causes you to MATURE in the WORDS. When we (the SEED, THE WORD, YOU) are MATURE, God harvest the SEED (you depart this body of flesh). You have BECOME ONE (THE WORD, THE SEED), LIFE, TRUTH, THE WAY.
Amos 3:3 Can two (you and Christ, THE WORD) walk together (as ONE), except they (you and Christ, THE WORD) be agreed?
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Day and night, light and darkness have other meanings other than we think of in this physical world. John 1:4-5 Romans 13:12. In day three, grass, herbs, fruit trees came forth growing and full of life in preparation of the other life that was to come for to be food. God is light as we see in Revelation 21:23-25 and Revelation 22:5 when all is new there will be no night, no moon, or sun, the glory of God will be the lighten and Jesus will be the light.
The sun and moon and the stars were placed in the firmament (heaven) on day four after the plants on this earth were thriving in day three so, what we hear things cannot grow without the sun or the earth would be a ball of ice, leave out the glory of God and His only begotten Son, the light that darkness/unbelievers comprehend not.
God bless,
RLW
Many have stumbled over the Ministry of John the Baptist and Malachi 4:5-6. For some reasons:
They do not know their ministries;
John the Baptist Ministry:
1:17And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.
Malachi 4:5-6 Ministry:
Malachi 4:6And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
Similarities in these ministries
John The Baptist Foreran the First Coming of Jesus Christ.
Malachi 3:1Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts. Matthew 11:9-10
Malachi 4:5-6 Foreruns the Second coming of Jesus Christ.
Matthew 17: 11And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. Revelation 10:7
Differences
John the Baptist was he voice of one crying in the wilderness.
Mark 1:3
The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. John 10:41
Malachi 4:4-6
His ministry was to carry the Gift of Divine healing and Revealing the mysteries hid in the bible before the second coming.
Malachi 4:2But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. JOEL 2:31, MALACHI 4:6, REV 10:7
NOW IF ANYBODY COMES TO TELL US ABOUT REPETANCE WE KNOW THAT, THAT WAS THE MINISTRY OF JOHN THE BAPIST.IF SOMEONE COMES AND CLAIM TO BE ELIJAH OF MALACHI 4:5-6 WITHOUT THE MINISTRY OF DIVINE HEALING BUT SUBSTITUTES
1 Corinthians 15:51-58
Luke 16:22-26
Hebrews 9:27
Revelation 2:11
Revelation 20:4-6
Revelation 20:12-15
Revelation 3:3-5
Revelation 21:10-27
1 Thessalonians 4:14-17
How do you get to heaven?
You are replying to a comment by "Ed"
Heaven:
Matthew 22:14
Revelation 14:3 144,000 (only taken from the earth Matthew 20:23)
1 Corinthians 15:42-44
Revelation 20 (Only one can be president and only a few
can be co-rulers. when Jehovah/ Psalm 83:18 choses a person...no one can steal that
away (not family, friends or acquaintances etc.). only that person can decide if they want to receive the invitation of reject it. Mark 10:17-31)
Earth: Isa. 45:18
2 Peter 3:13
Psalm 37:9-11,29,34
John 5:28,29
Revelation 21:3-5
Luke 23:42, 43 (Earth will be a paradise again
just like the days of genesis 1,2)
Matthew 11:26-30 (Jesus will comfort those remaining on earth)
Hope this helps
Brother Ronald. Thank you once again for your comments. I agree, whether Ignatius, Polycarp or any other succeeding them, even the Apostle Peter himself, can all be found in error in some doctrine or teaching ( Galatians 2:11-14). Though, my point was in their belief in the Deity of Christ.
To your references on the Trinity 'fallacy': Revelation 21:22. God is Spirit - the Spirit of God is within the Godhead - the Lamb (post resurrection) is in His glorified State, as the Incarnate Word of God made flesh & now in Glory. Jesus is no longer the Word of God within God's Being, but His Word made flesh, risen & reigning at the Father's right Hand.
1 John 2:22-24. You seem to be well studied brother. Then you would know that 1st John was written explicitly to confront the errors of Gnosticism (& other false teaching) that were running rampant in the Church. The discussion begins from verse 18, concerning the many 'anti-christs' in the Church, deceiving the believers by their lies & corruption of accepted apostolic teaching. The prevailing Docetic (an off-shoot of Gnosticsm) heresy was that "the incarnation was incredible because Deity cannot unite itself with anything material, as a body of flesh".
Then in the reference you gave, the question from John is, "who is a liar?" The liar is that one who has come to you denying the incarnation, saying 'it's impossible for a Holy God, Who is Spirit, to unite with sinful flesh by having a Son: "but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son". This would have reference not only to the Jews that deny Jesus as their Messiah, but certainly to those who went by the name of 'Christian'; they who denied either His proper Deity, or real Humanity, as Ebion and Cerinthus, who were denying Him to be the God-man, the Mediator, & the Messiah. (cont'd).
Thank you so much for your time in answering me. It has been a while, but what I do remember, Ignatius was implemental in setting up the appointment of bishops and their authority, I feel this is what Jesus was referring to in Revelation about Nicolaitanes. What I remember of Polycarp, he was against the teaching of the immortal soul and idol worship.
I understand the main debate was Jesus being created and not divine but they went too far. When Christianity went out some of the word meanings were influenced by Greek philosophy like the meaning of death it came from Plato, it was the separation of the soul and the body, and Aristotle wrote: "All things are true, and thrice is all: and let us use this number in the worship of the gods;
The trinity doctrine says the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit are co-eternal and co-equal, scripture does not support that to me. If so, why are not all three the temple in ( Revelation 21:22)? When I was studying one day I came to this verse and it stood out like a magnifying glass was in front of it. ( 1 John 2:22-24)
I'm sure you have a different understanding, but I feel if I say Jesus is God I am denying the Son, it is the Son and the Father, and when we make them one, we deny the Son and the Father. I know this is a subject that many will not even discuss and it is considered heresy not to believe in this doctrine, and I thank you for your reply.
I assure you I am not of Gnosticism as some of the posts on here. Your kidney analogy was pretty good, your kidney is part of you, it will always be your kidney, but you gave it to save someone. God gave a part of Him, not created by Him, but out of Him to save you and me. Your kidney is part of you, it is from you, the same DNA, but after you take it out of you can you say it is you?
I will ask you a question I have asked before, can a person receive salvation and be a Christian without believing in the trinity?
God bless you and the work you do.
RLW
You will never understand the Word of God without putting ALL the Words of God together. And even then the Holy Spirit has to explain it to you.
Isaiah 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, and there a little:
Isaiah 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue (the Holy Spirit) will SPEAK TO HIS PEOPLE.
It takes LOTS OF TIME and STUDY to even begin to understand. Most people just believe what other people tell them.
Revelation is a book that has been SIGNIFIED ( Revelation 1:1) meaning the word (such as heaven) represents something other than its meaning as given in a dictionary.
Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven ....Now we know heaven represents something other than its definition in a dictionary. It takes other verses to Know what it represents.
Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven ...
Matthew 12:28 But if I CAST OUT DEVILS by the SPIRIT OF GOD, then the kingdom of God has COME unto YOU.
Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon WAS CAST OUT (of heaven)(out of you)....You are the NEW HEAVEN ( Revelation 21:1) where GOD dwells. Colossians 1:27
Revelation 12:10 Now is come SALVATION ....
Luke 10:18 And he said unto him, I saw SATAN as lightning FALL FROM HEAVEN (from within YOU).
Revelation 12:10 Now is come SALVATION, and POWER, and THE KINGDOM OF OUR LORD ....
To understand the third killed in Revelation, you have to understand Ezekiel 5:1-5 and Zachariah 13:8-9 and Malachi 3:2-3