Discuss Revelation 3 Page 11

Hello Andrew,

Thank you for conversing with me on these couple subjects. Please let this be the end of our discussion with all respect.

About The Word of God not being Jesus Christ is your own belief. It is not from the pits of hell. Hebrews 1:1-4, Revelation 1:17-18, Revelation 2:26-27, Revelation 3:20-21, Revelation 19:11-16. We are to honor the Son the same way we honor the Father, John 5:21-23. The Messiah/Christ being the anointed one of God. ( 1 John 2:23-24.

Just to straighten up a little with reply about receiving the Holy Ghost. I never said my experience, or experiences, was "feeling peace". Me stating most people in the world would not believe my experiences is because they are supernatural things. It was not me who chose God, He chose me. I know not why. All glory be to Jesus Christ our Lord and our Father in Heaven.

I don't know of any Scripture of people receiving the Holy Ghost just by "feeling peace". Although I do know of one that doesn't state it was after a water baptism nor did they speak in tongues. Acts 11:11-18.

I hope our discussion shall keep you from discrediting other believers in the Lord just because they don't speak in unknown tongues. We should all try to help one another with our faith in the Lord. Hebrews 13:1-2.

Peace be with you.

Revelation 3:19-22 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in His throne.

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Revelation 21:5-8 And He that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And He said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

And He said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Revelation 3:2-6 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white: for they are worthy.

He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Dr. Wade, first I'm sure you will hear several answers on the daughters, from me would be speculation.

When Jesus came, He came for only the lost sheep of Israel to fulfill the first covenant and confirm the new covenant. Matthew 15:24.Jesus was fulfilling the old covenant so they obeyed the Sabbath. The Sabbath is the seventh day and man does not have the authority to change it. If we worship on a Sunday we still can not call it the Sabbath. Some call it the Lords Day for resurrection day. We are to worship in Spirit John 4:24, any day of the week or all. The Sabbath is also in the law.

Rom. 14:4-6 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth, not and giveth God.

The division started with Constantine's Sunday law and the penalties came down at Laodicea. The two reasons I am aware of, the Roman and Greek pagan religion festivals and worship were on Sunday and they used these days to introduce Christian holidays. The other, many Christians were meeting on the Sabbath along with the Jews and they did not want them to.

Gal.3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

If said the commandments of God is the Law, including the 10, if we try to be justified by them we are "a debtor to do the whole law". We are to be obedient in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. May God bless, Ron

Darren, may the Spirit grace you with his wisdom and his understanding.

I'm not sure you understand the kingdom of heaven.

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Daniel 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey them.

Luke 20: 35-36 But they who shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:

(vs 36) Neither can they die anymore: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

Revelations symbolizes how you obtain that world and the judgement the saints will bring upon the earth.

1 Corinthians 6:2 Do you not know that the saints shall judge the world?

Psalms 149:9 To execute upon them the judgement written: this honour has all his saints.

Revelation 2:26-27 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works until the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

(vs 27) And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers, even as I received of my Father.

Revelation 3:9 Behold I will make of them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews (circumcised in the heart), and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Those in the kingdom of heaven are those who are going to rule over the earth symbolized in Revelation and explained in the prophets.

Seems complicated until it isn't. Hebrews Chapter 4 helps alot. Man after the fall of Adam made his own works and those works follow the unconverted man to this day. The same works are a burden and weigh men down to the point where man can hardly carry such a burden. But Jesus suggests that man can share in his rest by entering in if one believes. The day that matters is the day that one harden's not their heart in sin. There remains after the fall of Adam a rest to the people of God. Those whose hard hearts were broken and made contrite cease from their own works. The one who is at rest can possibly labor again into unbelief. The Lord knows are thoughts and intentions and everything is manifest into His sight. Jesus is the Son of God is our belief and if He entered onto His rest so do His believers if we hold fast to our profession of Him as or Savior. It takes a boldness to approach this throne of grace to find mercy in our High Priest.

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1. The Papacy.

Who are her daughters?

2. Sometime after Christ's crucifixion and resurrection, a meeting of the early churches decided to change God's 7th day Sabbath to Sunday.

3. This change was justified by a) honoring Christ's sacrifice on the cross and b) to separate themselves from association with Judaism.

What I find mystifying is that Christ Himself claimed to be the Lord of the Sabbath. Yet how is it then that the majority of "Christian" denominations consider Sunday as the sabbath, rather than the one Jesus and the Apostles both observed and preached?

Such change could only be from a power intent on corrupting God's appointed Sabbath...The Beast of Revelation, Satan working behind the the cloak of Catholicism.

Lastly, The closing of Revelation concludes that God's people are those that "keep the Commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus Christ.

I welcome your response,

George G. Wade, Jr (MD, PhD, Retired)

All the Scriptures that pertain to the Book of Life; for everyone's information and edification.

Psalms 51:1

Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my TRANSGRESSIONS.

Psalms 51:9

Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine INIQUITIES.

Revelation 3:5

He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will NOT blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life....

Revelation 20:12

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Revelation 20:15

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 13:8

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Philippians 4:3.....whose names are in the book of life.

Revelation 17:8

Revelation 21:7

Revelation 22:18, a warning

Note: first 2 scriptures are what David prayed in prayer after he royally messed up, and knew it.

This is how we should pray in 1 John 1:9 always.

(Your Surety= Hebrews 6:18-20)

When we royally mess up.

We are a Royal Priesthood. In Hebrews 6:18-20 is named the High Priest of our faith.

Mishael

Who are the overcomers? Some groups say that this select fraction of the Christians will be raptured before the tribulation with the rest of the Christians left to go through varying lengths of the Tribulation.

Gloria Rhine on Luke 5

How do I know not to fall into the mark of the beast 666, how and what do I look for so I don't take it?

Revelation 3:10 (KJV) 10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

What is this great trial that is coming on the world? Jesus is saying, I will keep you that you shall not collapse under the trials which will prove a severe temptation to many when they will take the mark of the beast. When the beast and false prophet show up, most will worship the dragon which will be the hour of temptation and most will take the mark. This fleshly body is not what we are to save, because it is mortal, and "it is appointed unto men once to die".

The mark of the beast is said to be diverse things, a literal mark, a computer chip, symbols, and more. It may be like the Decian persecution in 250 AD. The decree ordered that sacrifices be performed in the presence of a Roman magistrate, it was a signed and witnessed certificate, issued to that effect, except for Jews, who were exempted. People had to perform a sacrifice to the Roman gods and the well-being of the Emperor. Nevertheless, a great number of Christians were put to death for refusing to perform the sacrifices, many others apostatized (falling away) and performed the ceremonies, and others went into hiding.

This picture language appears to identify those who had given either mental assent or extended the right hand of fellowship to this evil conglomerate power. These compromisers thus were able to prosper economically. By way of contrast, those who received not the mark were unable to buy or sell, hence suffered hardship, illustrated in the form of economic deprivation.

Clear all the preconceived ideas before you study Pray and let the Holy Spirit guide you. Hope this helps, Ron

Gloria Rhine on Luke 5

How do I know not to fall into the mark of the beast 666, how and what do I look for so I don't take it?

Revelation 3:10 (KJV) 10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

What is this great trial that is coming on the world? Jesus is saying, I will keep you that you shall not collapse under the trials which will prove a severe temptation to many when they will take the mark of the beast. When the beast and false prophet show up, most will worship the dragon which will be the hour of temptation and most will take the mark. This fleshly body is not what we are to save, because it is mortal, and "it is appointed unto men once to die".

The mark of the beast is said to be diverse things, a literal mark, a computer chip, symbols, and more. It may be like the Decian persecution in 250 AD. The decree ordered that sacrifices be performed in the presence of a Roman magistrate, it was a signed and witnessed certificate, issued to that effect, except for Jews, who were exempted. People had to perform a sacrifice to the Roman gods and the well-being of the Emperor. Nevertheless, a great number of Christians were put to death for refusing to perform the sacrifices, many others apostatized (falling away) and performed the ceremonies, and others went into hiding.

This picture language appears to identify those who had given either mental assent or extended the right hand of fellowship to this evil conglomerate power. These compromisers thus were able to prosper economically. By way of contrast, those who received not the mark were unable to buy or sell, hence suffered hardship, illustrated in the form of economic deprivation.

Clear all the preconceived ideas before you study Pray and let the Holy Spirit guide you. Hope this helps, Ron

After 46 years of finding a grace to raise my hands in thankful worship when a gratefulness graces me to do so. Ive been so encouraged of late with Ps 141:2. And now with this bold testimony of Elijahs again.Let my prayer be set forth before thee as incense; and the lifting up of my hands as the evening sacrifice. My assembly does not lean readilly to this but an increase over the years, especially among the more earnest 30 to 40 aged women. We are a 1 Cor 11:1 to 16 Apostolic people. 1940s to the 80s Six of the Seven Presbyterian Wilson brothers were filled with the Holy *GHOST* with Jude 20 KJV manifestation, and started Six Churches throughout New Zealand. The reticent Seveth son, Fred Wilson was moved to plant The Church of Christ NZ Mt Roskill, which has satelite branches as does their planting in Osaka a Sister fellowship. A strong KJV base they were until Fred Wilson, the Apostles passing, later allowed the NKJV to usurp the KJV veracity, and personally I say sadly, as the fire has shown a weakening since. Verses messed with, not just spoil memory treasures but :weaken > John 1:12 to :confuse >meek with gentle to a : great travesty> Jeremiah 23 33 to 40 where the confusing wordoracle replacing the word burden. Removing the severe warning to any who even hint at the *ETERNAL ALMIGHTY* being able to be burdened in any way, Isaiah 40:17. Especially when such grace offered to the weakest Saint who would receive it 2 Cor 9:8. And the word may is slipping into the Benediction decree. And to put prayer into an always bowed head stance, is robbing us all of the great need to be instant in prayer, even at least one hand authoritatively raised at certain times. Form is replacing intimacy and power, which can only lead to infirmity at length, as we all are so faithfully chastened betimes. Revelation 3:19, *G* B Uall, Ps 138:8 Proverbs 8:30,31KJV. Philippians 1:6 will perform for the faithful, but those who neglect shall be counted among the lukewarm Prov 29:1.

Barbara, may the Spirit grace you with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding. The traditions of man has distorted the true gospel. The traditions of man teaches heaven is a natural place with natural streets, natural buildings, natural walls and we exist much like we exist now; but the word of God teaches heaven is a person in a glorified body with no need for streets or houses or any thing existing in a natural state.

John 3:13 No man has ascended up to heaven, but he (Christ in the same glorified body he existed in as Jehovah in the old testament) that came down from heaven (and became flesh), even the Son of man which is in heaven (now back in the glorified body he had before).

Let's try to comprehend what is depicted as (spiritual) heaven (where the Spirit dwells).

1 Corinthians 3:17 Know ye not that ye are the TEMPLE OF GOD, and the SPIRIT OF GOD dwelleth in you.

Isaiah 66:1 Thus saith the Lord (the Father), The heaven is my throne, and the earth (dust, flesh) is my footstool: where is the house that ye (Christ) build unto me? and where is the place of my (SPIRIT) rest?

Psalm 127:1 Except the Lord (Christ) build the house, they labour in vain .....

Hebrews 3:6 But Christ as a Son over his own house, whose house we are....

Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I overcame and am sit down with my Father in his throne.

John 17:21 That they ALL MAY BE ONE as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that THEY also may be ONE in us.....

1 Timothy 6:16 Who (CHRIST) only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto....

1 Corinthians 15:52-54 In a Moment....Death is swallowed up in victory.

Isaiah 26:19 Thy dead men (we are dead in our trespasses) shall Live, TOGETHER WITH MY (CHRIST) DEAD BODY SHALL THEY ARISE....

Revelation 20:5 .....This is the FIRST RESURRECTION.

Luke 20:34-36 .....Being the CHILDREN OF THE RESURRECTION.

John 14:2 In my Fathers house are many mansions...

They trusted the lie Satan told them. As did Satan, they stopped being God centered and became self centered, pride.

Why would someone claim to be a Jew who is not?

So, answer this:

Why would the Antichrist claim to be the Messiah but is not?

Why would the serpent claim Eve could eat of the fruit and not die when that was not true?

Why do people lie?

Because Satan is the father of all lies and deception and he rules earth. He is trying to deceive people in order to separate them from God. You seem like you don't realize that pretty much EVERYONE IS LYING TO YOU. If they are not Christian, they are lying to you. Period. The TV lies, books lie, science lies, government lies, everyone is lying to you. If you believe the lies, then you do not have the Spirit of Truth in you. That is the only way one can discern lies and deceit. And 99% of what you hear and see will be half-truths or lies or disinformation or misinformation, so question everything.

1 Peter 5:8--Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Why is God allowing slavery, enslavement to happen, now? My works have been to help to make a better earth and world, better people. why does God allow the "Trumpets" to steal my works, money gifted to me and racketeered through the banks to everyone but me? I am tired of working and not eating the grapes thereof whereby the criminals excel and get rich from my names? Nothing that I have done for 10 years have I been blessed monetarily; I may feel enriched intellectually, but not socially. I am not allowed to have friends or to visit with my family, who try to help only to enrich people who never give a cracker back, the ungrateful and arrogant of secret societies seem to reign and cause us to lose people, opportunities, money, gratitude, etc. Some have been told that all Africans and Afros in power have worshiped Satan; some have been forced to by extreme evil treatments and promises to be with family eventually. Is America, the United States gone to the dark occult? I wish not! People are put into grave yards, in storage facilities I hear, money is hidden in their corpses? Children are no more in the neighborhood, most gone. Instead of a way of life, a way and culture of death. 60k houses are vacant--where did all the families go? Dont come to Baltimore City to think you can just sit down and talk to someone; you may disappear too--into foreign slavery. Where is my younger brother? He use to own and developed a wonderful bakery, the Breadery. Where is he and his beautiful family? We have been persecuted because of our religion by takers who dont make life and liveliness, they just take and never donate. Where is the charity and opportunity for the holy if Satanists are in control with the illusion of making Amerika great, not Americans great?

Matthew 10:32

Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

Luke 12:8

Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God:

Romans 10:9

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

1 John 4:15

Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

John 12:42

Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:

Romans 14:11

For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Philippians 2:11

And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

2 John 1:7

For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Revelation 3:5

He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Romans 15:9

And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name.

John 9:22

These words spake his parents, because they feared the Jews: for the Jews had agreed already, that if any man did confess that he was Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue.

1 John 1:9

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

What church in Revelations is the American Church?

Hello Bob,

That is correct. I don't have a problem with people saying Jesus is God.

If you do then that's your issue. As my post was only to make peace. I do not call Jesus Christ the Father. Lots of other people do though so it's them you quarrel with I guess. I say the Father is in Jesus Christ and He in the Father. Just as our Lord states in John 14:10.

Yes the Father has authority over all. But you seem to put Jesus Christ on our level? God our Father has given all His authority to His Son Jesus Christ. He has all the power of the Father. You said to someone else "I agree that Jesus and the Father are One". How you interpret that is up to you.

Jesus Christ is the exact representation of the Father. As in Hebrews 1:2-3. God our Father is Spirit not human.

Yes I also would say Jesus Christ is at the right hand of the Father. I would also say the Father has given Him a throne also. Matthew 28:18, Matthew 25:31, Revelation 3:21

A couple verses showing the Oneness of God and Christ. Revelation 5:13, Revelation 22:1, Revelation 22:3

God Bless you.

Believers bodies wait in the grave until God says it's time. Their bodies rise to meet Jesus in the Clouds; where we'll receive our new incorruptible resurrection bodies along with our soul and spirit.

Next: the now living born again, Holy Spirit baptized Christians meet Jesus in the Clouds. Our bodies are complete except they are incorruptible resurrection bodies too. No more pain; just joy.

Keep praying for those that sit on the fence of unbelief or indecision.

I get comic book Bible tracts from Chick dot com and put one on benches or on the ground by business doorways. Who doesn't like to get a comic?

Have a blessed New Year! Maybe listen to some FM radio Bible programs. Stay hot, not lukewarm. Revelation 3:16

those who are anxiously looking up for His appearing

Unbelief in Jesus is a death sentence for the unsaved.

We are not of this world anymore. We look for the new world to come. Faith always looks forward. Lots wife died by looking backwards, after she was ordered not to.

We still sin until we ask the Holy Spirit to come along side of us, to enable us to resist temptations. He will do that. When you feel that pull between the flesh wanting to sin; it's a good time up put in an emergency call to the Holy Spirit. Satan wants our walk with God to feel defeated. He hates God and us.

Even if you feel ashamed and defeated yet again: take those sins to 1 John 1:9. Then receive the cleansing.

We can ask the Holy Spirit for the Gift of discerning of spirits. We learn discern the spirits at work around us. Ask for it.

Human spirit

Evil spirit

Holy Spirit

Angels

Instead of wallowing in defeat, pray and be cleansed and restored. Read these too: Hebrews 4:13-16; Hebrews 2:14; (a warning) Hebrews 10:26

Hebrews is a good book to read at a snails pace. It has much to say about sin. It ends with people whom God mentions as heroes of the faith (chapter 11). Even King David that had Bathsheba's husband killed in battle so he could marry her. Their first baby died as a result.

We are not of this world anymore. The more Bible we have in us; the less likely we'll choose to sin willfully.

Satan hauls us before the Court of heaven and Accuses us with those sins. Jesus has to step up as your Advocate (defense attorney) and prove your innocence by opening the Book of Life to verify your name is written down in there. Hebrews 2:1, 3 and Revelation 3:5

We have a born again nature that wants to follow Jesus and live the born again life.

Revelation 3:15-22

Consider these things in your walk with God: following His son Jesus. Pray, confess, depend on the Holy Spirits help.

Amazingly with all of the sci-fy and superhero movies and games we view; people are not ready to take what The Church is teaching and preaching about the Rapture. Although Netflix does have a few movies (not exactly scriptural).

The Parable of the 10 virgins in the Gospels, Jesus is showing us to be ready every day, to go with Him. The "Oil" is the joy of the Holy Spirit who readies us for the Rapture.

We must be born again from above to be in tune to the signs. JOHN 3. It's just like with car insurance: there is basic liability that will NOT get your car replaced in a crash. Christians must have the full package. We're ready for everything the moment it happens. RIGHT NOW, get those you love ready to go with Jesus.

I believe with this pandemic, the powers above our government, are finding out how to keep people corralled. Shut up in homes; afraid to go to church; teach kids at home; etc.

If Biden is elected...I can only say expect our tax pain threshold to increase by leaps.

Our future is in New Jerusalem. It is not of this world! God is going to scrap this and restore earth to its 1st day condition.

2nd Peter Chapter 3 is not a fairytale. Like a star named Wormwood is on course for earth now. Revelation 8:11

NASA is tracking it but of course Network news fails to report it.

"They're already taking cash and coins and are lying about a shortage. RFID CHIPS will take the place of money; legal tender. They will make it so aggravating that people will take a Mark on the FACE or HAND. Flu shots are not RFID. See YouTube; people getting RFID's implanted in their HANDS.

I'm not on Facebook, so put it out there if you want to.

First there is to be a FALLING AWAY. With all the Churches closed by Congress, it's not a hard leap to realize the wandering away of millions of lukewarm Christians. Revelation 3:16, 20.

Get into the New Testament and KNOW what is coming at us next. Help at least 2 people to trust Jesus, be born again spiritually.

Romans Chapter 1. You can go through Old Testament , but I think Romans is simple to understand. For the unsaved world to believe they can force God to obey Their demands, is laughable.

But it will not be funny when God gives the Word for the Rapture to commence. A blink of the eye.

Question, scripture condemning homosexuality

Comments by Alex on the reason Jesus had to die, It was simply for the sins of the World, Behold the lamb of God that taketh away the SINS of the world, But there is a hidden facet to the Cross, its multiplication when a seed dies it multiplies that was the great Promise I will multiply thy seed as the Stars of heaven, He told the Greeks that wanted to see him unless a seed dies it abides alone but if it dies it will bring forth much fruit impling many Christ as the stars of heaven that every man might gets a seed a measure of faith etc. That every man might birth a baby Christ which is the result of the New Birth via the seed of the sower thus an Israel of God. The multiplication of Issac resulted in the nation of Israel, but the multiplcation of Christ via his seed the word will result an Israel of GOD. Thats y he is saying that which is born of the spirit is spirit as God is spirit, The PROMISE WHICH IS THE H.G. A lil one shall become a 1000 and a small one a strong nation thats the result of his seed an Israel of God. Thus we see multiplication via his seed the Word . Thats y he said smite the shepherd and the sheep will be scattered then i will turn my hand to the little ones , little ones imply multiplication via his death, smite the shepherd implied his death. And to whom his word came it made them Gods thats y scriptures says this corruption must put on incorruption and this MORTAL MUST PUT ON IMMORTALITY that means we are gona be Gods thats what the H.G. is the multiplication of very God in us sinners thus IMMORTALITY IS GOD thats y God swore by his very self when he made that PROMISE to Christ, its GOD THAT WANTS A POSTERITY, AND CHRIST WAS JUST HIS 1ST BORN OF MANY BRETHREN. We are gonna live for ever under this new covenant . Thats y the prophets were so amazed saying what manner of love has the father bestoded upon us. we are gona be absolute sons like JESUS doing the works he did and Greater. Behold the lamb of God that taketh away th sins of the world

In this instance the word "beginning " can be defined as "that by which anything begins to be, the origin, the active cause" as proclaimed in Colossians 1:17, "And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."

My question to you is... Have you tried to find out what this verse means before posting your statement? As a student of the bible, having access to the thoughts of other bible scholars is helpful in understanding verses like this. Having the tools that pertain directly to the things of God is crucial. 2 Timothy 2:15 is clear.

We do not have to agree with everything we read in our research, but it helps to get some kind of perspective on what another student, or teacher thinks about a particular verse.

Even I don't know what this means being the Beginning of the creation of God, you cannot refer to a few verses and make a point about this topic which you call the trinitarians. There are as well as many places that clearefies that Jesus is Lord and God. Amen.

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John 6:66

After this many of his disciples TURNED BACK and no longer walked with him

(Jesus).

HEBREWS 10

How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has spurned the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace?

Hosea 14:4

I will heal their apostasy; I will love them freely, for my anger has turned from them.

Revelation 3:16

So, because you are lukewarm, and NEITHER hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth.

2 Timothy 2:18

Who have SWERVED from the truth, saying that the resurrection has already happened. They are upsetting the faith of some.

Book of Jude 1:

For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

Matthew 10:33

But whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven.

Hebrews 9:28

So Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, NOT TO DEAL WITH SIN, but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.

2 Thessalonians 2:3

Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction

Hebrews 3:12

Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God.

Galatians 1:8-9

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I SAY AGAIN, If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you (first) received, let him be accursed.