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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the KJV was authorized by king James and published in 1611 of which is the most accurate translation from the original to English. As for the council of Carthage, wasn't that authorized by the pope? And when one mentions "cannon" the Catholic Church believes their "cannon" is superior to scripture. When the New Testament was written, people did not have today's bible, but rather, the Torah. We all have so much to learn ....

U should hearken ur ears to some testimonies. there is power in the name: jesus

I'm an older street evangelist. I understand what you have said: the history and original translations.

In here I use King James Version Bible. Why? Because most people (other than our scholars) are new to studying the Bible. They know the names in this Bible. For their sakes, I answer plainly and with scripture. I even try to orientate them on how to use all the links and study helps on this website; to set their feet on a life of going deeper into Jesus's Life.

I'm not offended, ok. Every once in a while help a lamb find its Shepherd. Whoever does it to the least of these, does it unto Me.

Mishael

When translated from Hebrew to Greek ,then Latin and in to English this is the name they used,Jesus .However there is no letter J in the Hebrew or Greek alphabet, so therefore the name Jesus never existed back in this time,the letter J only came on the scene appx 500 years ago .The Messiah was called by his true name .

I was praying Chris would answer that but he's not here today. Would you please contact that comment? I don't know enough about that history to reply. I'm a street preacher; not a scholar.

Thank you thank you thank you!

Mishael,

You mention the King James Bible as being canonized by the Council of Carthage and I am curious about that. Did you read that someplace? My understanding is that the King James Bible was named after King James I, who lived from 1566 to 1625. The King James Bible was not in existence until the early 1600s. So I was just curious about how it could have been canonized by the Council of Carthage?

Thanks ahead of time, and thank you so much for the things you share here. Your posts always impress upon me your love for the Lord and true concern for the spiritual welfare of others. Again, thank you!

The Council of Carthage in AD 397 determined the Christian New Testament canon(collection of books to be included in the Bible) but the Bible itself was written by over 40 men over a period of 1500 years from the time of Moses around 1400 BC to John the Elder near the end of the first century.

You should ask CHRIS who is very knowledgeable about how the Bible came to be.

I use the King James Bible over other translations because this is the one that was canonized by that council.

I understand that maybe you are referring to what the Torah may say about the names. The scripture I gave you about the Archangel Gabriel's announcement of the name of Jesus, is what is recorded in the Bible. What Bible do you use, may I ask?

No matter what Bible, or what language, the Name of Jesus is the name, by which a person must be born again. Arguing about whether it's the correct name is not going to help anyone be born again.

Salvation is an act of agreement that we are all sinful and in need of Salvation. Our sins are put upon The Scapegoat, which is Jesus Christ of Nazareth: and He makes atonement for our sins by His Holy Blood sacrifice.

FAITH in what Jesus did on the Cross of Calvary for sinful mankind, is what will give you peace and security in His Sacrifice.

You must be born again. John 3

Everything is n a persons name, spelling & pronunciation. If I change ur name, it's spelling & pronunciation-it's not the same.

I know it's different to comprehend but what person n their right mind answers to a name that's not theirs-especially if they never changed it or authorized anyone else to do so.

The correct names & pronunciations r:

Gavriel

Myriam

Yehoshua or short version Yeshua.

Not Gabriel, Mary & Jesus.

The promise is n His name and by no other name-period.

Acts 1:10-20

This took place in a Upper Room. A prophesy Peter found about Judas Iscariot is discussed by the disciples. They are about to appoint a new 12th disciple.

I believe the Holy Spirit showed Peter of the prophesies about Judas Iscariot's betrayal. Jesus knew of the prophesy; He's God. It would explain lack of closeness with Judas.

The Commentary Page on this website says the prophesy is about Judas Iscariot.

This is one of those studies that you have to read at a snails pace, all of the center column references to get a clearer picture of prophesy with present circumstances.

I'm going to list the passages and let the scholars in here piece it together with Holy Spirit, our Helper: helping us rightly divide the Word of Truth.

Acts 1: 10:20

John 18:3

Matthew 26:55-56

Psalms 41:9, 55:23 (The Prophesy)

Isaiah 53:7 (Ch 53 all about Jesus)

Daniel 9:26

Lamentations 4:20

Leviticus 25:15

Deuteronomy 16:9

*when you Google on Judas; just use his last name & it'll get you to the right Judas.

Deuteronomy 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

Psalms 22:16-18 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Isaiah 9:5-7 For every battle of the warrior is with confused noise, and garments rolled in blood; but this shall be with burning and fuel of fire.

Isaiah 11:2-9 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;

Micah 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, [though] thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

Malachi 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.

John 1:41 He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messiah, which is, being interpreted, the Christ.

John 4:25-26 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.

Messiah came. On the day he was crucified, well over 100 prophesies about him had bee fulfilled. You compare those prophesies with the recorded historical account of that time.

Luke 1:31

The Archangel, Gabriel, told The Virgin Mary that the baby's name would be Jesus.

Check out Luke 1:

We all know that jesus most certainly can not be found in any ancient scriptural documents. And even though this name jesus is popular currently doesn't make it the actual name of the Mesiah referenced in times of old because we have no history of the Creator, the Profits or otherwise Men of the Creator referring to the changing of Messiah's name to anything. In fact we do have a history of the consequences of those who turned the people of the Creator to other gods & names which never turned out well for them. Personally since we've come across so many conquering events worldwide whatever name used in the community of the Creators people at the time of the Messiah is a better choice.

Is Yeshua really Lucifer?

Jesus = Yeshua = Morning Star

The Complete Jewish Bible by "messianic believer" Dr David Stern writes: "Presenting the Word of God as a unified Jewish book, the Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) is a translation for Jews and non-Jews alike. It connects readers with the Jewishness of the Messiah. Names and key terms are returned to their original Hebrew and presented in easy-to-understand transliterations.

The CJB is a translation of the Bible into English by Dr. David H. Stern. It consists of Dr. Stern's revised translation of the Old Testament (Tanakh) plus his original Jewish New Testament (B'rit Hadashah) translation in one volume.

Jesus = Yeshua = Morning Star

In Isaiah 14 (REMOVED LUCIFER AND INSERTS MORNING STAR) Their argument is Lucifer is a "Latin" word that does not belong in English. About 20% of English comes from Latin. Does Taco not belong in English since it is Spanish?

Satanists and Luciferians know who Lucifer is. Read Carefully

Isaiah 14: (the fall of Lucifer)

11 Your pride has been brought down to Sh'ol (Hell)

with the music of your lyres,

under you a mattress of maggots,

over you a blanket of worms.'

(KJV uses Lucifer Stern inserts MORNING STAR who FELL from Heaven)

12 "How did you come to fall from the heavens,

MORNING STAR, son of the dawn?

How did you come to be cut to the ground,

conqueror of nations?

13 You thought to yourself, 'I will scale the heavens,

I will raise my throne above God's stars.

I will sit on the Mount of Assembly

far away in the north.

14 I will rise past the tops of the clouds,

I will make myself like the Most High.

who fell from heaven going to the pit of Hell? THE MORNING STAR is Jesus

Jesus = Yeshua = Morning Star

Who is the Morning Star? Stern says Jesus is Yeshua

Revelation 22: 16 "I, (Jesus) Yeshua, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the Messianic communities. I am the Root and Offspring of David, the bright MORNING STAR

Jesus is Yeshua the morning star

You're correct Bob. Yeshua is not the name used in the NT. Yet, my understanding is that amongst Messianic Jews, they use that Name, probably because of their roots rather than using the Greek, Iesous; Jesus in English.

I know that that Gentile believers working with Jews/Messianic Jews do use their terminology, probably more for identification & providing that the Name doesn't divert from its meaning & application. When working with Muslims, often we use their words for God, Jesus, Salvation, Sin, etc. so that they can understand what we are saying, but of course, often the way they understand these doctrines varies considerably to biblical meaning, so further explanation has to be given to bring them to Light.

Vernon, from Rev 13, we can at best only speculate what the Anti-Christ & his Mark will actually turn out to be. We have the Scriptures & we also have knowledge of today's world political/economic situation & technology. How all this will change in ten, twenty, fifty years down the road, can only be a guess by anyone.

From Scripture, it appears that both the Anti-Christ is a person (as also the False Prophet) & his Mark, a tattoo or chip inserted into the body. The Mark seems to be required only for trading, rather than identification, as if a person without it cannot buy or sell, which will certainly result in his death if he can't eat, drink or live in a dwelling. Whether this Mark is or includes an insertion of a chip in the hand/forehead is also possible with current technology thereby maintaining uniformity of all people in this regard. And of course, for those who are limbless for some reason, then the option of the mark in the forehead seems proper.

So, I don't think that I have adequately answered your question, as we really don't have enough information to go by except what we are observing now & how we interpret those signs. The signs however, are there for the world stage being prepared for the Anti-Christ, a longed for 'saviour' for not only negotiating 'lasting peace' (false, temporal peace, of course), but also to set himself as the supreme world leader & indeed, the 'christ' who receives the praise & worship because of his great acts of wonder & service to all peoples (i.e. to peoples who obey & bow down to him). And why shouldn't they do his bidding, if it means that their lives will be spared. We can think of the 'mini-anti-christs' of the past: Hitler, Qaddafi, Kim Jong Il, Mugabe, Idi Amin, Castro to name some. And all these appear insignificant to the might & wickedness of coming The Anti-Christ.

Yeshua or Jesus? Heresy or Hebrew roots? Is Yeshua a denial of our English Bible that was new testament that was written in Greek, not Hebrew. No one can show us from the Bible that Jesus was ever called YESHUA.

Luke Chapter 1:26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,

27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name [was] Mary.

28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.

30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

(Angel Gabriel gave JESUS his name from the Lord)

so by what scriptural authority does anyone have to call him YESHUa?

32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his

father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

YESHU is a curse that means may his name be blotted out. This is commonly used by those who claim to be Noahides.

They claim Noah was given a set of laws yet they exist only in the minds of Rabbis. I can not find Noah being given any laws in my King James.

Q

Chris and or who else may have the answer,In the book of Revelation,who or what is the Mark of the Beast ?

concerning the 24 Elders question you gave an answer to,subsequently I would continue,thank you for your response

Vernon, we can't be absolutely sure about these Elders simply because the Scripture doesn't give us any more details that what we have in Revelation. However, it seems very likely that they are believers from the Earth, quite possibly from the time after Christ's death & resurrection.

They must have been prominent men renowned for their faith, service & in death. The following Scriptures tell us this: Rev 5:8, "hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation"; v 10: "And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth." ( 1 Pet 2:5,9); 4:4: "and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold." ( 1 Cor 9:25; 2 Tim 2:5, 4:8; Js 1:12; 1 Pet 5:4). So these are not angels or heavenly beings, but the redeemed from the Earth given a prominent position in Heaven near to our Lord.

Q

Were the 24 Elders Redeemed from the Earth or are they Angels in Heaven ?

was the four books of the gospel (Matt., Mark, Luke and John) written for unbelievers or believers (scripture chapters and verses)?
was the epistles written for unbelievers or believers (scripture chapters and verses)?

see voice of the eternal gospel on youtube

Wesley G, I get what you are saying. It is as Paul stated, "The things I know to do I do not, yet those things i Know not to do those that i do".
As also stated our flesh and the desires of it are at enmity toward the heavenly Father. Messiah, His Son Yeshua, gave us an entry to the Father. That is where you must start. He (Yeshua) stated "I will bring all men unto Me when I am lifted up" (signifying His death on the cross) But we are not to "come to Jesus" and that's it. Messiah gave His life that we can commune with the Father and when we accept we are (where) sinners, now connected BACK to our heavenly Father we can live for Him. Presenting our bodies a living sacrifice - without spot.

Rev. 4-6 the four beast decribed in this verse is praising the one at the throne saying Holy Holy Holy What is the meaning of the four beast?What dose the descriptions of the four images signify ?

Revelation 4:11 View whole chapter See verse in context
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure, they are and were created. God is love, and with love he created the universe, our souls, and all life on earth. It pleased the Father that he created life. We are not to worship his natural created life, just enjoy what he has done for; Isaiah 45:18 View whole chapter See verse in context
For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

That is true Walter

The 4 living creature are holy

What do you mean that your body loves God? Scriptures say our flesh is at enmity with God.

..and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. And still Christians are told this is about the future. How sad. Obviously this is about the present - as of 2000 years ago - not today.

Wesley,
The Ten Commandments will help you repent , pray give your heart to Jesus he will help you. You have to want to change a life style. He gave you free will. Your choice no one else can do it for you. If you make the choice Jesus will walk with you all the way. He is the one who will never leave you. His promise.