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Bob,

The requirement for salvation is to receive Christ and be born of His Spirit. That goes for both Jew and Gentile alike. Just because a person says "chosen" or "elect" does not mean they are saved. For a Jew or Hebrew person to be saved, they must receive Christ just like you and I. From the beginning, God chose a race of people, and it wasn't the Gentiles. Jesus came to His own (Jews), and they received Him not. Again, no salvation to those who did not receive Him. But there were many who did receive Him. He chose the twelve Jewish men. Were they all antichrist? I would say one of them was. It seems as though you have put a tag on every Jew as being antichrist, and that's not true.

You ask for someone to prove to you the antichrists are God's chosen from the Bible. There are several places in the Old Testament that talk about the chosen, but it would be a futile attempt at showing you if your mind is already made up that all Jews are antichrist or perhaps condemned forever.

Do you pray for those Jews who are lost the same way you would pray for any other lost individual? Do you have a love and concern for a Jew who has not come to know Christ as their Messiah? We were not the chosen. We were later grafted into the tree to provoke the Jews to jealousy. We have their Messiah and it was God's plan to bring us in so that they would be jealous. Do you ever wonder that when Christ came, if the Jews would have received Him, what the fate of the Gentiles might have been?

Instead of hating the Jews and constantly calling them antichrist, maybe out of love for them you might want to pray that their hearts would be receptive to the things of the Lord and that they might come to know Him the same way you and I have come to know Him!

Yes Israel is God's chosen people and this is proof

Galatians 3:29 "And if ye be Christ's, then ARE YE are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."

nothing about we "BECOME" or "SPIRITUAL SEED" it says ARE YE the seed of Abraham.

I believe Christians are the chosen seed.

Others want to believe those who deny Christ, who are ANTICHRISTS, are the chosen seed.

please prove to me the antichrists are God's chosen from the Bible.

King James Bible Jesus speaks to some of the Jews in John 10:23 - 29:And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. Then came the JEWS (THE JEWS) round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.

Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

"But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you."

But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. Jesus said his sheep hear his voice and well I believe him.

When the whole house of Israel (all 12 tribes) left Egypt, the were lead by Moses, a Levite, not a Jew.

Israel wasn't divorced, they were punished by God 7 times (7x 360 day/yrs = 2,520 years) according to Deuteronomy 26.

1) The house of Israel were taken into captivity by Assyria in 721 BC + 2,520 years = 1,799 Ephraim became the British empire, and America (Manasseh) would come out of his twin brother. The US is a Corporation owned by London; The Act of 1871.

2) Then, the house of Judah were taken captive to Babylon in 604 BC +2,520 years = 1917 Balfour Declaration, where Britain (Japheth born Rothschild) bought the false Ashkenazi Khazar Jews a home on land they had no claim to. Gen 10:2-3

The lead house of Israel tribes (Ephraim, Manasseh--sons of Joseph) are the birthright people (land, wealth) per their Gen 48 blessing. The lands' ownership is effectively the house of Israel, not Judah.

Our current climate of sustained chaos gets upended at the coming 6th trumpet, when Babylon America falls, Israel invaded. It's time for Jacobs trouble, and not Judah's trouble. Isaiah 13, Isaiah 47, Joel 2:1-11 & Rev 18, and the abomination of desolation set in America is very perplexing.

How do you interpret the many verses that say Israel was God's chosen people? I'm sure you know the story about Israelites fleeing Egypt and settling in Canaan. Maybe you'd at least agree that they were God's chosen people at one point? What date do you think that ended? When the events of Jeremiah 3:8 happened? What if the divorce reference wasn't intended to mean that Israelites are no longer God's people but another explanation?

Hello Adam,

I know this is not for me, but I agree with you completely. There are several places in the bible that mention the chosen, and the elect, and it is speaking of Jews. I know of at least 20 places that speak of Jews being God's chosen people, including the verses you listed.

Peter wrote his letters to the scattered Jews (the diaspora), and in 1 Peter 2:9, he says "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

These are all Jewish terms. Peter says you are a chosen generation. He's speaking to Jews. The word generation means race. The Jews are God's chosen race.

He says you are a royal priesthood. And that's not for Gentiles. That's for Jews. You are a holy nation. You are a peculiar people;

Now the peculiar people "might" apply to us. I know some pretty peculiar people that are not Jews! (He-he). But the word peculiar means people of a possession.

I agree fully that the Jews are God's chosen people. They are also called His elect. Gentiles are never called the elect or chosen.

The Israelites were not all Jews. The house of Israel were not Jews. The tribe of Dan were not Jews. The tribe of Joseph were not Jews. Only one tribe from the house of Judah is a Jew. Only the tribe of Judah were Jews.

Adam where does the Bible say that those in the modern day claiming to be Jews are indeed who they say they are?

Jesus in bible book Revelation 2:9 - I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

2nd witness of Jesus in Revelation 3:9 "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee." Jews are going to worship at the feet of Christians.

Did you know the Lord DIVORCED ISRAEL?

Jeremiah 3:8 "And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also."

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

How can anyone tell me that those who have the wrath of God against them for rejecting the Son is the "chosen people"

King James Bible Jesus speaks to some of the Jews in John 10:23 - 29:And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. Then came the JEWS (THE JEWS) round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.

Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

"But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you."

But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Looks to me that those who hear the voice of Jesus are true sheep or the chosen people.

The Bible says the Israelites (Jews) were God's chosen people. Deuteronomy 14:2, Isaiah 44:1, Deuteronomy 7:6. Do you agree?

Jews are not the chosen people, the Bible never says that. We are all chosen. However, it is Israel who is the apple of God's eye, not todays vile partner in crime with America (Mystery Babylon). The real Israel, the real tribes are hidden and lost in generations. It is original Israel that is reformed at the 7th trumpet, and not to include 1,300 year old impostors. Isaiah 14:1 The Lord will again choose Israel, after the Ashkenazi Jews courted satan to ruins.

Yes, Jesus was a bloodline Jew of Seth, Semitic. Todays so called Ashkenazi "Jews" have no relation with the tribe of Judah. They are 8th century AD converts of Japheth (Gentiles). Gen 10:2-3 tells you that Ashkenazim was the grandson of Japheth, not Shem-Abraham, Issac & Jacob. Therefore the Ashkenazi Jew is European (between Black & Caspian seas) and Jewish by religion, not by genetics. The regular Jews amongst us are faultless, but not the small percentage of supplanters who sin greatly against God, the synagogue of satan.

I read and interpret these verses just fine and my comment stands. Jesus was a Jew. Matthew 7:1.

I do not deny Christ so I am not antichrist and we are to judge in righteousness

John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

1 Corinthians 16:22 - If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema (CURSED) Maranatha.

Jews who reject Jesus are cursed

Matthew 23:15 - Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees (ALL Pharisees are Jews) , hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

There is only one door and it is Jesus and any Jew who rejects Jesus is rejected of God.

Jesus in bible book Revelation 2:9 - I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Just cause someone claims to be a jew does not make it so and the middle east is full of them.

1 Thessalonians 2:14, 16 - For ye, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, EVEN AS THEY HAVE OF THE JEWS: WHO BOTH KILLED THE LORD JESUS, and their OWN PROPHETS, and have persecuted us; and THEY PLEASE NOT GOD, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: FOR THE WRATH IS COME UPON THEM TO THE UTTERMOST.

Jesus was a Jew. He's not 'cursed'.

Jews were God's chosen people and still are. I don't know why, but that's who God picked. That doesn't mean that Judaism is true. That belief denies Jesus, which is the central point of Christianity, to follow Christ. It's ok to condemn a false teaching, but not an entire people group.

Bob Hilt,

Our job is to love and teach, not judge.

The disdain you have for our brothers (the Jews) is palpable.

If the Jews are cursed, what do we do with Acts 28:26-28?

Do we believe what Luke says?

Last I checked, those that killed the prophets "SAY THEY ARE JEWS, AND ARE NOT, BUT ARE THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN" ( Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9).

"SAY THEY ARE JEWS, AND ARE NOT"

"SAY THEY ARE JEWS, AND ARE NOT"

Do we believe the words of John?

People can say they believe in anything they want. Show me your works and I will see your faith!

The JEWISH high priest appointed by the Roman Governor that condemned Jesus was "of the synagogue of Satan," not a Jew.

You say "ALL Jews deny Jesus and that makes them antichrist;" again, I would refer you to ( Acts 28:26-28).

What about Muslims, Hindus, etc.? They deny God AND Jesus.

Jews follow God. Last I checked, that was Jesus' Father also.

As far as most of the Jews being from Eastern Europe and Russia, I am not sure the point you are trying to make.

Most of us don't know our ancestry more than a few generations.

How do you really know your ancestors aren't from Europe or Russia; and could have even been Jewish!

The Bible definition of an ANTICHRIST. 1 John 2:22 - Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. (ALL Jews deny Jesus and that makes them antichrist, if they believed in Jesus then they would be CHRISTIANS. IF you do not believe me call any Synagogue and ask them if Jesus is the Messiah.)

1 John 2:23 - Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

If Jews do not accept Jesus as messiah, then who is their messiah? SATAN?

1 Corinthians 16:22 - If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema (CURSED) Maranatha.

DO JEWS LOVE JESUS OR ARE THEY CURSED?

Did you know most of the self identified "Jews" in the Israeli state are from Eastern Europe and Russia?

they are indeed.

The 6th seal

Rev 6:14 US/Israel attacks Iran's nuclear facility in Trumps 2nd term. There will be a quiet.

Rev 6:12 brings an earthquake in Israel, opening them up for an easy invasion, then comes..............................

The 6th trumpet, day of the Lord, 2nd woe

Ez 38:1-17 America receives the "abomination of desolation" (Is 47, Joel 2:1-11, Rev 18), and Israel taken in the same hour, Luke 21:20-24.

The beast (Russian Confederacy) crushes 5th trumpet Babylon (US/allies) to dust, Rev 9:13-21.

The aftermath - Obadiah. So you see it was a family affair all along, Esau (Russia) mortally desolates Jacob (US/Israel) and God is mad.

This is anti-christ's rule, between the 6th and 7th trumpets. A world without America.

Matthew 19:27-28 The Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the 12 tribes of Israel. (How will the saints judge the 12 tribes? Because there will still be flesh and blood beings on earth when the Lord returns).

Revelation 21:1-3 (this is the Father coming down with New Jerusalem) John saw the holy city, New Jerusalem coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Revelation 21:10 John was shown the great city, the holy Jerusalem descending out of heaven from God.

Revelation 6:1-8; 12-17 Takes place during the tribulation on earth, but also speaks of Jesus AFTER the tribulation and the wrath he will bring on earth. (Reference Isaiah 2:10 and Isaiah speaks of this event in Revelation 6)

Revelation 7:1-4. 9; 13-14 the Lord will seal his servants in their foreheads. 144,000 of all the tribes of Israel. He will also save a "great multitude" which no man could number of "all" nations. (These are the people who survived the Great Tribulation, some who will have gotten converted during the tribulation)

Matthew 24:29-31 Immediately after the tribulation the Lord returns.

Revelation 19:11-14;19-21 Heaven will open, Jesus will show up on a white horse. He will judge and make war.

I know that's a lot. I hope that you will read through the scriptures on your own time.

But know this, there will only be a 3 and a half year actual tribulation period, and anyone who is alive during that time will have to try and survive it, unless they are in the place of safety on earth which the Lord will have reserved for his people...and that place is the Wilderness over in Jerusalem.

in the gospels of Matt, Mark and Luke Jesus is telling His apostles what the seals are. He tells of the false prophets (anti=christs) coming.

well said.

In Hebrews Chapter 11 is all about Christian martyrs in the Bible.

Right now, Christian missionaries are being slaughtered in the Middle East, Communist China and other places. Pray for God to confuse and bewilder their enemies; to make them turn on themselves. Let's remember them before we dine.

Who are the martyrs at the opening of the 5th seal?

None of us on this side the grave can know exactly what awaits us, but the Bible does give some glimpses into the LORD's wonderful plan for us. I can suggest a few to consider. We know the body remains in the grave and eventually returns to the dust until resurrection day. 1 Corinthians 15 is a great study on the particulars of the resurrection. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 speaks of those that "sleep in Jesus" in order that we may be comforted. David said of his child in 2 Samuel 12:23, "I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.". Jesus, in John 11:25-26, tells us that by believing in him we will never die (spiritually that is). Jesus' story of the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16 indicates a state of consciousness on the part of the deceased. In John 14, Jesus says he's going to prepare a place for us in order to receive us there to be with him. In Revelation 6:9-11, there is an interesting portrayal of martyred souls under the altar in heaven. Jude tells of Enoch's prophecy regarding the Lord's return with ten thousands of his saints.

The entire world today has stopped,The 1918-flue-stopped ww 1,I truly believe it's the seals opened,

Revelation 6:2 Ps 45:4

The first seal and verse 2 that man, supernatural man has a fake crown. Oh it looks real to those who don't know the truth and that bow is as fake as he is the false messiah so look the crown and bow up and find out in the Strong's Concordance. Satan is kick out of heaven Rev. 12 to deceive the world in a deception to conquer the souls of the world. Acts just like the real king so all who think they are going to be beheaded don't worry because Satan doesn't want your flesh he wants souls and worshippers all the way to hell. So if you catch yourself in church someday singing we don't have to worry we're no longer a widow our husband

has came home and then hail stones start hitting the earth with fire with the sound of the 7th Trump at Christ return that's when you need to worry about your head. Learn that first seal in Revelation 6 so you know the first messiah is false and Wait for the true Christ.

Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come. Acts 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; (This is toward the end of the tribulation)

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when this happens we shall all know it and you will not need to buy a book from a TV preacher to understand it.

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I completely agree. The blood moon was over rome yesterday! Our savoor is coming and it is glorious!

It is difficult to forecast what this Corona pandemic will do. It can be equated to other turmoils that have affected & gripped the world in the past (e.g. the W. Wars, other worldwide diseases/plagues, the Great Depression, etc.). Eventually, it will pass as doctors understand this Covid-19 virus better & develop a vaccine, but the longer the pandemic goes on & the resulting deterioration to the economies of the world, then the longer it will take them to pull out of it and get back to normal. All this serves to show us how easily we can get badly affected by such an event & should cause us as Christians to cleave more to the Lord and others to consider his offer of hope & salvation.

Does the Corona virus destroy the whole world economy.