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Thanks Jimbob. I do accept what you've quoted in Matthew 24:29 & Revelation 6:12-17 refers to the time of God's Wrath poured out. But if those Scriptures & others previously referred to for this particular time in history are the only ones used, then we should have no problem is believing what you say, "that the tribulation and God's Wrath are not the same".

Yet, we haven't discussed 2 Thessalonians 2:1-7, which I had given in my last post (I only shared my own understanding). And this of course ties in with the Rapture; this too is important to consider when looking at the timing & character of the Great Tribulation/God's Wrath. So, maybe I'll keep this short & get your thoughts on that Scripture, if you so wish (no compulsion at all): What was deeply engaging those believers' minds that prompted Paul to pen these words of assurance? Who or what is the one who "letteth will let" ('katecho', restrains, holds back)? When this being or entity is "taken out of the way", what are the implications of that removal upon the Church & the World?

These are the questions I have to ask myself when looking at such verses, particularly in the light of eschatology, where we are compelled to form an opinion or a belief with often very little information given (at least information so succinct for us, that the early Church receiving such, would have grabbed the opportunity to request the author to expand his teaching). Obviously we can't do that & I sense that the early Church did know far more than is revealed to us now, but God has permitted that we receive what is given & hold onto it. Hence, our variations in understanding to what should otherwise be a straightforward doctrine.

That was very helpful thanks .

Renee Olson:

Revelation 6:6 ...and see thou hurt not the oil and wine.

The OLD is a SHADOW of the NEW.

Numbers 18:12 All the best of the oil, and all the best of the wine, and the wheat, the FIRSTFRUITS of them which they shall offer to the LORD, them have I given thee.

Numbers 18:13 And WHOSOEVER is FIRST RIPE in the land, which they shall bring in to the LORD, SHALL BE THINE; everyone that is clean in THINE HOUSE shall eat of it.

Romans 8:23 Not only they, but WE OURSELVES, which have the FIRSTFRUITS of the Spirit ....

Revelation 14:4 ...being the FIRSTFRUITS unto God and the Lamb.

1 Corinthians 15:23 .....Christ the FIRSTFRUITS ......

Notice Christ the firstfruits is PLURAL.

Galatians 4:19 .....till Christ be FORMED IN YOU ....

Revelation 6:6 ....and see thou not hurt the oil and the wine (the firstfruits).

God Bless YOU!

What do the oil & wine of vs 6 represent?

What do the oil & wine of vs 6 represent?

Jimbob:

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after ----it's been 2000 years, that's not immediately after --- the tribulation of those days ---it's Christ's tribulation, leading up to his death on the cross, that he is speaking about ----shall the sun be darkened, Matthew 27:45 ---he is quoting Joel 2:31 and Revelation 6:12 a prophecy about Christ death on the cross ---and the moon (symbolising Christ) shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven ---- Revelation 12:4 ---and the powers of heaven shall be shaken ----all this description is a parable Matthew 13:34. Christ's words are most often HIDDEN in parables and symbols.

Matthew 24:30 Then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven ---this is still symbolic and a parable ---heaven is symbolic of man, where GOD DWELLS, Colossians 2:27 ...Christ in you .... John 3:13 ... he which is in heaven ....

Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord God will DO NOTHING, but he revealeth his secret to his servant the prophets.

Your raptured: one at a time

Isaiah 27:12 ....and ye shall be gathered ONE by ONE ....two in the field, one taken one left ....

God bless you, as you study and Christ reveals himself to you.

Matthew 24, Mark 13,

Please know "rapture" is not in the Bible, please read & study for yourself, Truth 2Timothy 2:15,

Job 14:12-14, 1Thessalonians 4:13-18, 2Thessalonians 2,

Revelation 10:7, Revelation 6:9-17, notice Jesus says Matthew 24:13, Mark 13:13,

Hopefully these are helpful

Hello I hope you fine this verses helpful God bless

Daniel 12:2

And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

John 11:11

After saying these things, he said to them, "Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep, but I go to awaken him."

Matthew 27:52

The tombs also were opened. And many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised

Revelation 6:9-11

When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne. They cried out with a loud voice, "O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you will judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?" Then they were each given a white robe and told to rest a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brothers should be complete, who were to be killed as they themselves had been

Psalm 79. Asaph passed from this earth several HUNDRED years before the Babylonian captivity however this Psalm certainly sounds like that captivity; and it certainly has some parallels to later events such as the destruction of the Temple in AD 70 as well as the end times. Verse 6 certainly seems to be a universal sort of destruction for all of God's enemies in the impreccatory sort of narrative.

We see further parallels with verse 10 and the passage in Revelation 6:10 on "how long"? Verse 11 seems to indicate the prisoners being released as some other prophetic verses state such as Isaiah 51:14. And verse 12 shows with the "sevenfold" rendering as similar to the sevenfold series of judgments in Revelation; references in Deuteronomy and other scriptures about sevenfold judgments.

Finally; the last verse shows how the "sheep of thy pasture" will give thanks forever and to all generations. That could certainly be a Millennial reference.

There are many prophecies which make Asaph in that catagory. We see that he led song and apparently lived a long life. We do well to look at the song of Miriam in Exodus 15:20-21 to see how powerful worship and song is related to many victories of God.

Dear Joyce: It should be kept in mind that only Christ is worthy to open the seals (starting in Revelation 6:1). There are many novel explanations today including some ridiculous assertions that somehow the seals are some sort of symbolic reference to evil in believers lives that we are to conquer. Others insist that the seals already are in operation.

If we take the literal meanings we can easily see that we have never seen a WORLDWIDE (pardon the shouting) judgment in which 1/4 of the population dies has ever occurred. The first seal clearly IS Antichrist; not the "church" overcoming the world during the church age. If that were the case why would it state that no one was found worthy except for Christ to open them? God has purchased His bride; and will redeem them from the earth as "kings and princes" (see Revelation 1:6).

The judgments of war; famine and pestilence are seen many times as themes in the Books of Isaiah; Jeremiah and Ezekiel among other places. In any event the first seal certainly IS judgment; as Daniel itself indicates a man of intrigue who signs the Daniel 9:27 covenant; and the theme of conquering through submission is a common theme in Islam; hence their Mahdi is "coincidentally" said to rule for seven years at the end of the age. This will involve someone who will probably introduce a gold standard and or worldwide financial system tdhat will essentially redistribute wealth as well as eliminate debt; give Israel promised protection from it's enemies (which we can see starting with the "Abraham accords" and will come into final fruition when the covenant is "confirmed".

The second seal involves a removal of whatever peace there was. With the "restrainer" removed ( 2 Thess. 2:6-7) men will simply start acting out with murders; and then famine will occur followed by "death and hell" with the fourth seal. The horses behind it probably are demonic forces controlling regional areas or the "4 corners" of the world.

Gigi,

I didn't intend to put that on the main thread, a thousand apologies. I've got you on my mind.

You need a sign. You will wonder when the US/Israel put a "scroll" over Tehran, Revelation 6:14. That's the sixth seal, moving the world closer to the day of the Lord, which dismayed the prophet to tears, Ezekiel 21:7. You won't be able to deny it now that I've made you aware.

Richard,

Between the fifth and sixth trumpets is tribulation. Between the sixth and seventh trumpets is the GREAT tribulation, as Jesus Christ called it himself, Mathew 24:21. We are on the heals of destruction (sixth trumpet), so that means looking back in recent history to pin point the fifth trumpet event, like 9/11/01, Revelation 9:1-11.

Do you know what occurs at the sixth trumpet, day of the Lord? The abomination of desolation, Matthew 24:15, is brought upon modern day Israel, and the world, setting forth the GREAT tribulation. The world will be a curse, Malachi 4:5-6.



We are currently in tribulation, at the tail end of the fifth trumpet, and in the midst of Revelation 17. America is pushing a $70 billion proxy war with Russia. The king of the south is facing the mighty Russian beast, whose Dec 25, 1991 deadly wound has healed into the king of the north, Daniel 11:40. It's Esau vs Jacob, leaving Jacob without root nor branch, Obadiah 1. It's also the beast and Babylon, making 3 allegories to confuse you for a lifetime if you can't make the connections.

We are literally waiting for the US/Israel to strike Iran (or the like), Revelation 6:14 sixth seal, and eventually bring about the sixth trumpet overthrow of the whole house of Israel. US NATO Israel receive their visitation.

You see, there is a big difference between tribulation and GREAT tribulation.

Revelation 6:12-17 describes two separate events, out of order as written.

The sixth seal flows into the sixth trumpet.

The verse 12 earthquake ( Revelation 11:13) triggers the sixth trumpet, Joel 2:2, sun becomes black, moon as blood, day of the Lord attack on both modern day houses of Israel: Ezekiel 38:9, Ezekiel 38:16, Ezekiel 21:19-20.

Verse 13: stars falling signifies God suspending His binding covenant that David would never lack a man on his throne, the protection of grace lifted for captivity. Jeremiah 33:20-26, ( 1 Kings 9:52).

Much of Revelation is hidden in allegory, and in this case, written backwards. Revelation 6:14-17 attack MUST occur before Revelation 6:12-13 (classic sixth trumpet day of the Lord language).

Hi Mr. Bowman, you're asking about 2Thessalonians 2:3, it starts with 2Thessalonians 2:1-2, the coming of Lord,._. Please notice this is the 2nd letter to the Thessalonians, following up on the discussion in 1Thessalonians 4:13-18, also following the words of Jesus.

It seems the "great falling away" may be as Jesus explained with the seed, parable. When they face trouble, not rooted in good soil; Please look at Matthew 13:6,20,21, notice Jesus says we will go through "the great tribulation" Matthew 24:21,22,29, Matthew 24:30, in context please read both full chapters, also please look at : Revelation 6:9-11, if Jesus says endure to the end, Matthew 24:13, 2Peter 3:3-14, 1Peter 5:2-11, Hebrews 12:23-29, Hebrews 10:35-39, Colossians 1:23,

1Peter 1:2-9, Jude 1:24,

Hopefully this is helpful

Hello Alma. The Bible doesn't specifically speak about the Blood Moon, at least the apparent redness of the Moon that we've seen in recent times. The only references to that future time is found in Acts 2:20,21 and Revelation 6:12 (at the opening of the sixth seal). Here, it speaks of the "moon becoming as blood", which maybe referring to a much deeper redness than what we have seen now.

Hello GiGi

Peter also talks about this event in his second letter. ( 2nd Peter 3:10-12)

10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness."

When Christ returns, the heavens and the earth will be destroyed after which God will create a new heavens and new earth suited for habitation by Christ and his glorified saints.

This is our hope for the future.

Anthony, well spoken.

Jesus' words in Matthew and in Luke speak of Him returning at the end of the tribulation and then the wrath of God is poured out. Jesus says the tribulation will be cut short or else no one would survive, but it is cut short for the sake of the elect (who are still on the earth). When the wrath of God is poured out the heavens will be shaken causing interstellar disasters in space and the earth will be laid waste. But this happens so that God can re-create a new heaven and a new earth that is free from any corruption.

Brother Anthony:

We are all coming to the truth of God's word, God's doing and God's timetable.

Matthew 24

Christ is talking to his disciples about his coming again to them and the tribulation that must occur first, they didn't understand and most today don't understand.

Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, this generation (those to whom he was speaking) shall not pass, till all the things BE FULFILLED.

Revelation explains this, if you take it as the Revelation of Jesus Christ, and not something in the future, the generation living at the time of Christ saw the wrath of God that was poured out on Christ and they saw Christ appearing the second time as the Holy Ghost.

We have been in the days of Noah since that great tribulation was poured out on Christ, and his coming the second time as the Holy Ghost.

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken.

Revelation 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth .......

Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, the was a great earthquake: and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon (Christ) became as blood;

Revelation 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell to earth .....

Luke 23:44 And it was about the sixth hour and there was darkness over the whole earth until the ninth hour,

Luke 23:45 And the sun was darkened ......

Matthew 27:54 .....saw the earthquake .......

Revelation 15:8 ....and no man was able to enter into the temple (you are the temple), till the seven plaques of the seven angels be fulfilled.

God Bless you.

Hello Giannis

a. I do not believe in a pre or mid tribulation rapture because Christ makes it clear in Mathew 24 that he will return immediately after the great tribulation.

b. God's day of wrath does not occur during the great tribulation. The great tribulation will be a time of testing for God's people as they are persecuted for the name of Jesus Christ. This will be worse than ever before because the man of sin will have been revealed. The abomination of desolation will be standing in the holy place. Jesus said that there will be huge demonic activity at this time.

The unbelievers will be eating and drinking, marrying, and working so they are not suffering the wrath of God at this time. In fact, they are not prepared for the wrath which is to come.

The bible does not describe the great tribulation as God's wrath.

c. During the great tribulation will experience testing worse than ever before

d. "So there is no way God orders His angels to destroy, that is to "kill" His children together with the wicked world. Noway at all. My opinion. "

Gianna, I agree with you that is why the great tribulation is separate to the day of wrath.

Just like Lot was removed from Sodom by the angels on the day of destruction when God poured out his wrath on that city, so it will be that Christ will send his angels to remove his saints from earth on the day of His wrath, before pouring out his wrath on the unbelievers.

We will be taken up to be with Christ whereupon he will begin to destroy the earth along with those unbelievers who remain on the earth.

This is all made clear in Mathew 24.

Revelation is best understood in the light of the clear teaching of Christ. Peter and Paul also address the end times with great clarity.

PS the bible does not state the duration of the great tribulation. In fact Christ says that nobody knows the day or the hour He will return except the Father.

There is no reason to believe that it lasts seven years based on the scriptures.

Yeah, that's where you lost me bro, Christ comes to establish God's Kingdom Here on Earth, no one goes anywhere, we are CHANGED when He returns.

All who are alive and remain (will) go through the tribulation, only difference is those who have the seal of God will not be touched by the Locust army,,, it is commanded by God

Who are these locusts? God's Army

Joel 2:25 And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, My great army which I sent among you.

Joel 2:23 Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month.

Revelation 7:2 - And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Revelation 9:3 - 7 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

9:4 And it was commanded them{locust army} that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; (but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.)

Anthony,

Thank you for this good explanation.

I, too, do not read of a pre-tribulation rapture in the Scripture, nor mention of an "age of grace" as being separate from God's grace being bestowed even from the beginning with Adam and Eve after they sinned. Otherwise, how would have Enoch and Elijah ever been translated, as they were sinners, too.

Anthony

a. If I understand well you believe in a rapture in the midst of those last 7 years or sometime before the 2nd coming of Jesus on earth?

b. The Revelation is not written in chronological order. God's wrath will not occur only at the end but also during those 7 years. Rev 15:7 "And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven ANGELS seven golden vials FULL OF THE WRATH OF GOD who liveth for ever and ever." It is God's punishment of the sinful world. This is what causes the great tribulation. They are not due to physical causes. If the great tribulation is not due to God's punishment, what is it then? Which are causes of that tribulation and which events are a result of that tribulation? What do you actually mean with great tribulation?

c. The tribulations in one's life that Paul talks about are persecutions due their faith and for their spiritual training. They are a completely different thing from that great tribulation.

d. Lets read carefully the discussion Abraham had with the Lord just before the distruction of Sodom and Gommorah, it shows how God thinks and how God acts in similar cases.

Genesis 18:23-33

"And Abraham drew near, and said, WILT THOU DESTROY THE RIGHTEOUS WITH THE WICKED?

Peradventure there be FIFTY righteous within the city: WILT THOU DESTROY AND NOT SPARE THE PLACE FOR THE FIFTY RIGHTEOUS THAT ARE THEREIN?

THAT BE FAR FROM THEE TO DO AFTER THIS MANNER, TO SLAY THE RIGHTEOUS WITH THE WICKED: AND THAT THE RIGHTEOUS SHOULB BE AS THE WICKED, THAT BE FAR FROM THEE: SHALL NOT THE JUDGE OF ALL THE EARTH DO RIGHT?

And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I WILL SPARE ALL THE PLACE FOR THEIR SAKES.

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And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure TEN shall be found there. And he said, I WILL NOT DESTROY IT FOR TEN'S SAKE."

So there is no way God orders His angels to destroy, that is to "kill" His children together with the wicked world. Noway at all. My opinion.

There are two tribulation's in the end times, The tribulation of Satan, and The Tribulation of Christ, which is The Day of The Lord, The Day of Wrath, The Day of Vengeance Luke 21:22 For the great day of His wrath is come; and who is

able to stand?" Revelation 6:17

The word STAND in the verse is asked as a question for a reason, asking Who will make the First Resurrection as it does in Psalms 1:5 where the ungodly will not.

Hello Giannis

Much of the punishments in Revelation are noted AFTER the day of wrath is mentioned in Rev 6:17 which is when Christ returns and raptures his saints before pouring out his wrath on the unbelievers. So, it is my belief that the saints will have been raptured before those punishments are poured out on the earth.

The bible does not say that there will be a pretribulation rapture, so neither should we.

Applying this notion to the word of God only causes confusion.

Paul says that we must through much tribulation enter the kingdom of God.

Whatever happens in the world can only happen when God permits it. So we cannot say that he is oblivious to the persecution of his people. He allows it and sanctions it so that his people can be tested

God has often punished his people with war and famine because of their unbelief and rebellion.

But even a righteous man like Job can be sorely tested at God's discretion.

The great tribulation will be a time of great apostasy where there will be false prophets and false Christs who would deceive even the elect if it were possible. Even today there is increasing apostasy in the church so the church will be tested by God during the great tribulation.

Paul says that before Christ returns to gather his saints that there must first be an apostasy and that the man of sin must be revealed sitting in the holy place. 2nd Thessalonians 2, 1-6

There is no 'age of grace' mentioned in the bible. God has always been gracious and long suffering towards his people.

Psalms 145:8

The LORD is gracious, and full of compassion; slow to anger, and of great mercy.

But he also judges his people and can punish them for their disobedience and their rebellion. When God brings a famine or war the righteous and the unrighteous may suffer together.

So, God's people will suffer persecution and famine during the great tribulation, but Christ will rapture his saints on the "day of his wrath" before He pours out his wrath on the unbelievers.

Anthony, I agree that the great tribulation is not the wrath of God spoken out. I think also, that His wrath comes upon the earth when he returns to bring judgment upon the earth and mankind. Notice the cataclysmic events that are mentioned. The earth could not endure in a life-sustaining way if the heavenly objects fall and melt, if mountains are laid flat and the sky roll back like a scroll, etc.

The great tribulation will be terrible, indeed, brought on by the wickedness of man, the utter evil intentions of Satan, and what God allows to happen during that time.

I don't think that Christians will be evacuated with a pre-trib rapture with the reasoning being that God would not let His church go through such terrible events. I do not hold to this reasoning because God has allowed the church to go through great tribulations, persecutions, slaughters even in the first few centuries after Jesus ascended to sit at the right hand of God. And because I agree with you that the church will be caught up with Jesus when he comes the 2nd time after the tribulation, as Matthew 24 seems to say. Thank you for your explanation.

Luke 3, Genesis 5,

Interesting years don't seem as significant to GOD as they are to man. Isaiah 55:8-11

Events, seem to be the significant time table to GOD, Genesis 15:13-16, Revelation 6:9-11, 2Peter 3:8-11, Romans 16:25, Revelation 10:7,

It almost seems like you're asking because of a Biblical study question

Hellow Anthony.

Let me clear up something dear brother. When we say God's wrath we don't always specifically mean the Day of Judgement, or the day of punishment of people that accepted the mark of the beast like during the fight of Armagedon or after.

The great tribulation during the time of antichrist will be caused by God's wrath (call it anger, judgement or anything else if you like) to the sinful world. Famine, physical catastrophies like the eartquakes, like the water becoming blood, like that star that fell off the sky, like the sun and moon stopped giving their light etc are caused by angels pouring God's anger on earth to the sinful people. The horses, the wars, the seals opened by angels, the trumpets, the woes, the hail, the fire mixed with blood, the third of all living creatures including people dying etc etc are all done by God through His angels. Rev 7:2 "And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,", Rev 9:15 "And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men."

As I said before I cannot think that God will be doing all that while His church is still on earth so we, His children, will suffer famine, wars, catastrophies, death together with the sinful world. All of which (and this is very important) are due to His anger for the sinning world which He will surrender to satan and his man, the antichrist. It doesn't sound logical to me. What for? The saints suffer together with sinners? Die together with sinners? That is not what happened to Noah and Lot. They first left and then God punished the sinners. They didn't suffer, they escaped all that. Protection during the great tribulation is only offered to the Jewish people that are going to believe to Jesus. These are the ones that are sealed in their foreheads, Rev 7:3, Rev 9:4

GBU

Hello Giannis

If you read Revelation you will see that john received two separate revelations. One which was specifically dealing with the seven churches and what would be their fate in the near future.

The second revelation begins in Rev 4:1 and is not specific to the seven churches who are addressed in chapters 2and 3.

We cannot build sound doctrine on assumptions so we must not add to what has been said in revelation bearing in mind the warnings for those who add or take away from what has been written in Revealtion.

If you read Rev 6:12 onwards you will see events that correlate with Christ's description of his second coming as recorded in mat 24. which Christ says will happen after the great tribulation. And if you read on down to Rev 6:17 you will see the where the day of wrath is mentioned. So the day of wrath happens when Christ returns after the great tribulation.

If you read all my comments below it might help you understand my thoughts on this very important subject.

The great tribulation is not the day of wrath.

You will notice that the angels recued lot on the very same day that God poured out his wrath on the unbelievers. There was no delay. And so it will be when Christ returns after the great tribulation. He will send his angels at the sound of the trumpet to gather his elect before pouring out his wrath on the unbelievers.

Events seem to be GOD's timing = Noah Genesis 6,7, Abraham 14 generations, to David as references in Matthew 1:17, including within those 400+ years in Egypt, Abraham himself being old before birth of Isaac. & Genesis 15:16.

Revelation 6:9,10,11, Revelation 17:14-17, James 5:7,

it appears to me that the final martyr of GOD's beloved, will ignite. Like the other events in the written Word.

Hebrews 1:13, Matthew 24, Mark 13,

As a loving Father, HE appears to be balancing the mercy of HIS will, that none should perish of the people; Matthew 18:14, 2Peter 3:1-18, & mercy for HIS children, Hebrews 11:6-40,

However there is other scripture to encourage that GOD is able to deliver: 2Peter 2:5-9, we are to be good soldiers, endure: 2Timothy 2:3, 2Timothy 4:5, 1Peter 2:19, Matthew 24:13, Mark 13:13,

Matthew 24, Mark 13, Jesus explains specifically it's after the great tribulation He will gather together His elect.

Revelation 6:9-11, Revelation 2:11, Hebrews 11,

GOD's WORD is called a living word by many because of it's HIS amazing ability to be relevant today, prophetic & historical

Psalms 22, for example, Psalms 41:9 King David being betrayed by Saul, yet predicting Jesus' betrayer

I see Revelation significant for today & more than simple coincidence when Philadelphia is researched online only USA references are found, being the only significant Philadelphia in our time, the the very foundation of an otherwise unmentioned World Power was founded on "in GOD We TRUST" in Philadelphia, where both our Declaration of Independence, The US Constitution were signed & US Mint prints faithfully those very words upon all currency. Revelation 3:8, The Liberty bell that has inscription about the Biblical Jubilee, Leviticus 25:10, also remains today ironically cracked._._. Philadelphia also the proposed Capital of USA, still debated today of the legitimacy of the meeting that decided a different venue. Song today trendy "The room where it happenes" Revelation 3:7-13, 2020 2nd largest Jewish population in the World is USA, Many claims of Jewish heritage in movie, banking, business, judiciary yet deny GOD's laws & justice ect.

Revelation Philadelphia, very interesting to me.