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Revelation 6:6 - As a general rule, when most people I know read "and see that thou hurt not the oil and the wine" - most people think of bubbling crude for automobiles and champagne for parties. But, it occurred to me that, in John's time period - most people would not be thinking of crude oil and probably, for most - not about champagne for wild parties. It seems to me that the oil and wine which John would have known about would have had more of a medical benefit - oil for healing and wine for its germ-killing properties. For example, in the story of the good Samaritan, in Luke 10, Jesus tells about the Good Samaritan binding up the wounds of the fallen traveler, pouring in oil and wine. So the oil which John would have known about would have been perhaps olive oil or fish oil (the disciples were, after all, fishermen!) Even today, the primary ingredient in Desitin, the popular diaper rash prevention product, is fish oil. We were wondering if there are any commentaries in which the author discusses the fact that the oil and wine would be referring to the medical uses of those products.

They seem to be Zechariah 1:8-10, Zechariah 6:2,

Possibly Revelation 6:4, context Revelation 6, & context Zechariah 1,

Please pray for wisdom James 1:5,

They seem to be walking to & fro, Zechariah 1:10,11,

Bay horses are reddish brown, Grizzled- speckled , Zechariah 6:7

2Chronicles 16:9, Zechariah 4:10,

But also Job 1:7, Job 2:2,

Psalms 139, for encouragement

Hopefully these are helpful

Dave,

I'm not sure if your question was about GOD or man. I will try my best to answer it. Ironically " ambiguous " meaning double meaning._._

I think that GOD's WORD the Bible is clear, when we study, & pray for wisdom. James 1:5,

1st GOD gave people dominion: Genesis 1:26,27,28, = power, dominion ect. Within 2nd Generation & continued; 1st crime: Genesis 4:6-9, & Genesis 4:23, dominion with disregard for others, even anothers very life. Genesis 6:5, Exodus 1:8,13,16,22, even disregard for life of children

Even then though GOD doesn't disregard HE repayed. Exodus 12:29, Exodus 13:15, notice the whole chapter of Exodus 12, points to John 3:15,16,17, Again people with dominion & power disregarding life of innocent: Luke 22:1,2,7,20,54,63,64, continued; Luke 23:1,2,15,21,33,34,

Also: they killed their own children, Leviticus 18:21, Leviticus 20:1-8, that GOD had destroyed nations for that sin! 1Kings 11:7, 2Kings 23:10,

Jeremiah 32:35, ( how? ) it's unimaginable even to GOD ALMIGHTY ! Jeremiah 7:31, Jeremiah 19:5, 2Chronicles 33:9, 1Kings 11:1-12, Deuteronomy 6:14, Deuteronomy 7:1-8, why? Was it because they destroyed the children, had disregard for innocent lives of their own offspring? Images of GOD

Psalms 82:6, in context Psalms 82,

GOD will Judge: Matthew 25:31-46, Matthew 18:5,6,10,14, Matthew 19:14, Mark 9:42, Luke 17:2, 2Peter 2:7-9, Psalms 9:7,

If your question is regarding "us" "believers" Luke 12:32, Revelation 21,

There will be suffering here on Earth but promises to those who endure, Matthew 24, Mark 13, Revelation 10, 2Timothy 2:3, Revelation 6:9-11,

Hopefully these are helpful

Revelation 6:12-17 Sixth seal.

If indeed there was praise everywhere as stated after the Rapture in Revelation 5:13 there wasn't anymore. Fear was apparently for all members of society (v. 15) when they tried to hide in vain in the caves of the earth from God and Christ's wrath. For those who would say that this is a parallel passage to the bowl judgments or trumpet judgments are not dividing the Word very carefully. By the bowl judgments men are trying literally to fight against Christ; and are continually blaspheming His name; making no attempt to veil either their bodies or attitudes from God. The demons have succeeded in total control; no doubt aided by the intoxicating power behind Satan's mark of the Beast.

The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. ( Prov. 9:10; etc.) Some will learn from this and repent such as seen in Psalm 64:9. There is a time when it is too late however such as in Psalm 18:41-42. That is in God's hands. For some at the sixth seal it probably is too late; all those not in the Book of Life will worship the Beast ( Rev. 13:8) and be damned ( Rev. 19:15).

That will no doubt encompass many who continue in sin even after one third of the earth is destroyed and men are tormented by demons ( Rev. 9:21).

I pray that as this study continues as an unworthy servant to reflect the Spirit of God in my words and to have the strength to undertake discussion of these awful realities which are to come upon the earth. May someone even one soul take it to heart and be led to repentance and may readers be as Jeremiah states in chapter 20 verse 9 that His Word is fire in our bones. The enemy does not want our minds to be opened to see what is shortly to come to pass. The apocalyptic day which is worse than any that was and will come ( Jeremiah 30:7; Mark 13:19; Matt. 24:21) is at hand. May we all have a "reality check" and be ready for His return to escape all these things ( Luke 21:36; Rev. 3:10).

Sixth Seal: Revelation 6:9-11

Our pastor was discussing this verse with others this morning on the awareness of those who have passed from this earthly tabernacle to heaven before they get their Resurrected bodies.

Some of the Post-Mil camp seem to indicate this is describing all the martyrs of church history.

It could be said that they also are aware of these things; but the SPECIFIC method of beheading seems to be indicated in Revelation 20:4 as well as the clue in verse 11 to be "killed as they were". There is also a distinct time frame "a little while" in verse 11 as well.

Several inferences can be made from this information. First; it is clear that there is anger and probably blame for what is going on from those who still cling tenaciously to the witness of Christ while others are dying in this manner. The resulting event in the sixth seal immediately following shows the awareness of God and the Son and judgment impending.

Secondly; there is no mention yet of the mark of the Beast or even the two prophets at this point. Certainly martyrdom will continue after a pause (possibly being prevented for a large part during the ministry of the 144,000 when the great multitude comes to faith). Since the woman riding the Beast characterizes this time in Rev. 17:7 the false religion of the world is the likely culprit for most of these killings; later Antichrist destroys this system to get all worship for himself then starts his own killing campaign. ( Rev. 17:16). It appears the 5th Trumpet brings the demonic entity that energizes the Antichrist bringing him to life from an apparent deadly wound ( Zech 11:17). All things in their due time.

Revelation 6:5-8 The famine; pestilence; and Death and Hell.

The concept of judgment with the sword; famine and pestilence is clear from Jeremiah 14:12; 27:13 and 42:17; Ezekiel 5:12; 7:15 and 14:21. There are two of these three judgments together in portions of Leviticus and Deuteronomy and certainly other places as well. What is unique here is the pale horse signifying death and the "beasts of the earth". This has been defined as a possible veiled reference to viruses or bacteria; or perhaps literally animals attacking people. What we see in this pale green horse is the power behind all this; men being accelerated to hell (as Isaiah 5:14 states hell has enlarged herself). Matthew 24 also discusses wars and famines and verse 9 gets into the 5th seal of persecution of saints.

In looking at the Restrainer ( 2 Thess. 2:6-7) we also can look at the fact that once removed; not only will wickedness spread at accelerated pace; but also judgments and the rate the lost are being sent to hell. Perhaps the Tribulation believers will be pretty much exempt from these plagues as it seems martyrdom is the most common form of death. There is no specific mention until the trumpet judgments of the 144,000 and possibly others being protected from certain judgments. These verses seem to show by and large lost people are judged this way even BEFORE the mark of the beast is instituted. It is God who ultimately determines the course of pestilence as well as war; and clearly no efforts of man will curb this judgment. Obviously; starvation will not only come from the wars; but by the droughts and other natural disasters unleashed; again mentioned as a particular signs and wonders action the 2 Prophets engage in as "often as they will." ( Rev. 11:6). Again; there appears to be some lag time for these prophets to appear; and perhaps end their ministry just after the midpoint of the 7 years. It is unclear if a delay occurs between the Rapture and first seal as well.

Revelation 6:2-4 The red horse

The first seal involves a rider with a bow but no arrows. We need to read Daniel to see more specific descriptions of this "man of intrigue" who "through peace destroys many" and "divides the land for gain." He apparently is into the occult as he "understands dark sentences." It appears there are other clues about his character with the "Assyrian" in Isaiah; the descriptions of the fatal wound that occurs later in his career in Zechariah; and even some hints that are in Habakkuk as to his character; and those describing the "son of perdition" that describe both Judas Iscariot and Christ. (See also 2 Thessalonians 2:3; John 17:12).

In any event; there will be a period of illusory peace as verse 2 describes it being "taken from the earth." It wouldn't be all that surprising that for a short time the world is in such a state of shock from the Rapture/Resurrection that they are relatively submissive to the "man with the answers." It wouldn't be surprising if he promised not only world peace; but prosperity by eliminating all the nation's debt and introducing a worldwide currency such as the gold standard before the mark of the beast ( Dan. 11:43).

The red horse says nothing about armies or organized military campaigns. It has been said this is equivalent to "kingdom against kingdom" ( Matt. 24:7) indicating ethnic groups. It certainly could be the next stage or preliminary setup to the military conquests of Antichrist.

Even savage one on one combat in the end combined with famine and pestilence kills one fourth of the earth. Anyone who compares this to past events or doesn't think it is too bad compared to other judgments is seriously underplaying obvious meaning or just plain out of their minds. We may have foreshadowing now but once the birth pangs get started they continue to get worse with each wave. There is no more delay as Ezekiel 12 and Rev. 10:6 and other verses indicate.

Revelation 6:1-2 the white horse.

There are two basic interpretations of the white horse that of being Antichrist (which I subscribe to); or Christ. Because Post-Millennials (who think that the church is currently fulfilling the 1000 year reign; clearly symbolically with almost 2000 years since the crucifixion) ascribe this conquering king to Christ they also take the time frame in Revelation as having been at least partially fulfilled. This is due to the belief in only one general Resurrection (despite obvious differences in the descriptions); jamming everything related to the events of the Second coming to those of the Great White Throne judgment; in other words no time frame after Armageddon for an earthly reign of Christ; and an immediate new heaven and earth. This forces clear verses in Isaiah about a man dying at less than 100 being accursed; other verses about those who don't worship the Lord not having rain; and of course a literal rebuilt Temple. With this mindset at an extreme level we find those who are into the Dominionist mindset; that Christ can't return or won't until things keep getting more and more Christian and better and better. Often a literal Antichrist isn't believed in at all; which begs the question for those not spiritually discerned if they will believe that he indeed IS the Christ. Full Preterists who think He is already here in some form will fall for it no doubt.

Further supplementing my point is the common thread whether in Islam with the 12th Imam; the New Age Maitreya; or the Jews who Christ stated point blank would believe another coming in his own name ( John 5:43). He will be another great orator like Hitler; conqueror like Napolean; and therefore fulfill the statements made by the Club of Rome in 1957 about "whether God or the devil we will receive him" when discussing the need for a leader to rule.

It is clear from Daniel and other prophecies that there is yet a final future ruler to come.

Verses 1 through 5 relate to Sardis; with a rather vague condemnation of works not "perfect" as stated in verse 2. Clearly; sin was involved as the "garments were not stained" who would walk before Christ in white because they are worthy as verse 4 indicates. This would seem to be a subset of those who eventually will overcome as verse 5 indicates. Verse 3 shows that those who don't watch and wait as Luke 21:36 exhorts will have Christ return (probably the rapture) when they don't expect. It would seem that those would be the ones left behind; but still are saved as we note that they have garments but they are defiled. Those unsaved wouldn't be clothed in any spiritual garments. This is of course controversial; but it seems that few will wake up in time for the rapture. The alternative to that is that they will stand at the Bema seat and suffer loss ( 1 Cor. 3:15). One thing is for sure; those who do believe will be martyred and this in large part proves their faithfulness. Some are given white robes in Revelation 6:11; Revelation 7:14 seems to indicate robes made white by martyrdom; however. The question whether robes and garments are the same could be asked. Perhaps the best thing that can be taken here is that we must die to self daily and be ready for martyrdom; which comes largely from not fearing death. Only through the Spirit can we do this! We do well also to heed to ongoing persecutions and pray daily for our brethren.

Next the Philadelphia church and Laodiceans are brought up as polar opposites in many ways.

The theme of "patience" in verse 10 is repeated throughout many N.T. and even O.T. passages as characteristic of those faitfully waiting for the Lord's return going about their business. ( Luke 19:13). Overcomers once again even in this church are promised a future blessing (in this case to sit with Him in His throne). Spuing them out certainly once again sounds like being cast into the Tribulation. Let the reader pray and decide.

Continued:

Yehshua also said Revelation 6:11

"And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."

so for those who think they are going to be whisked away are deluded to think so. Understand the rapture is at the END of the Millennium the 1000 years.

only those saved during the tribulation will have our Creators MARK IN THEIR FOREHEADS (Mind) basically what you believe to be true.

Revelation 7:3

"Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads." 144,000 first fruits

i believe from scripture that number of first fruits is 153 the parable of the fish caught in the net John 21:11

I believe the number gathered is 33.333% of the world population

Jeremiah 31:34

"And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."

These are the people that the ALMIGHTY will protect under HIS WINGS during the tribulation.

Yehshua said in MATTHEW Elijah will come first RESTORE ALL THINGS? Before HIS COMING?

WHAT DO YOU THINK? IS BEING RESTORED? His Laws, His Statues, His Judgements, His Sabbath and holy set apart days the world are ignorant to or deceived into worshiping on the wrong days!!! of course HE allowed for all this to happen, because His Word tells us this would happen. Matthew 15:9

"But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."

the 7 year tribulation is a LIE so is a THIRD TEMPLE BEING BUILT LIES!!!!!. YOU, WE are the Temple, Yehshua is the Head He was also our Creators first witness

you need to understand Zechariah 4:14

6th Seal, 6th Vial, and 6th Trumpet (666) it is a number and they all pertain/describe to the beast, and his coming.

Satan comes at the 6th trump, 6th vial and 6th seal, Christ comes at the 7th.

What are these seals? The Knowledge of God's Word, To know God's word, His Plan.

Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

6th seal, You need to know Satan will appear in Jerusalem and says he is God by imitating the Messiah

What are the Trumpets? Trumpets are the actions, what's going to happen, when the trumpets sounds.

Revelation 9:13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,

14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates(tribulation)time of Jacobs Trouble.

What are the Vials? The wraths of God poured out.

Revelation 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water there of was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

The Seals are whats in the vials, and are poured out when the Trumpet sounds,,,, there are 7 seals, vials and trumpets,,,

The Antichrist System, Satan is "The Antichrist", the head of all Antichrists and there are many....

1Jo 2:18 (KJV) Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

The beast that came out of the sea is symbol of the Greek culture,substitute of Satan,Sea is symbol of the human world of the overseas,of the nations, not of the western countries:the Renaissance Greek culture,with tints of the other three great cultures of the world, namely, Confucianism, Buddhism and Islamism.-----the Antichrist

The beast that came out of the earth is a product of the western land proper, a prophet, a spokesperson for the Renaissance Greek culture, whose name is 666, of which the basic grammar of the greek language, the declensions of the Greek noun: singular, dual, plural,masculine, faminine and neutral, there is one 6. The conjugtion of the Greek verb are:present, past, future, perfect, imperfect and aorist, the secons 6. The Greek verb has six moods, which are:indicative, imperative,subjunctive, optative, infinitive,and participle, a third 6. put them together, that is 666. In the end days, one without of the basic knowledge of the Renaissance Greek language cannot sell, that is, to produce, to write, to show to others,neither can buy, that is to acquire, to understand,to....

At the end, the world will be unified into one cullture, one way, one value, the value that is "Man is measure of everything", for the end time people, no norm, no dogma, no rule, what man likes is the value-----the Antichrist?

Amen Brother Alex, Revelation 5

Six seals (of the BOOK of life) were all opened, beginning with Christ ministry in the flesh and ending with his death and resurrection.

Between the sixth seal ( Revelation 6:12-17 Christ's death and resurrection) and the seventh seal ( Revelation 8:1 pentecost) there was silence in heaven for the space of half an hour; 45 days.

No activity (silence) of the Holy Ghost, for 45 days, from resurrection to pentecost.

The seventh seal was open at pentecost with the out pouring of the Holy Ghost.

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be take away, and the abomination that maketh desolate BE SET UP, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

42 months; three and a half years, Christ's ministry in the flesh.

Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth (for the seventh seal), and cometh to the one thousand three hundred five and thirty days.

1335 minus 1290 equals 45 days: passover till feast of the first fruits ..... Pentecost .....Christ second coming and minstry as the Holy Ghost.

May God give us eyes to see and ears to hear.

God Bless you.

June 13, 2022. A storm came up and the sky darkened from cloudy, then it rolled across even darker while the rain poured down as in floodgates opened. Repent for the day of the Lord is at hand

Matthew 24:3-51, Mark 13:3-37,

Note : Matthew 24:8, Matthew 24:7, Matthew 24:21-24, these are Jesus Words, Matthew 24:29, " Immediately after the Tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." Matthew 24:29-31,

Please note: these all also recorded as Jesus Words : Mark 13:23, Mark 13:24-27, " But in those days after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then shall he send his angels, and shall togather his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven."

Revelation 6, note Revelation 6:10-11, Revelation 8, see Revelation 8:3-4, Revelation 9, Revelation 10, Note: Revelation 10:7, Revelation 11, Please notice: Revelation 11:15-19,

1Thessalonians 4:13-18, 1Thessalonians 5:1-10, 2Thessalonians 1:4-10, Please note: this was written after 1Thessalonians to clarify : 2Thessalonians 2, Please read: 2Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

2Peter 2:9,

Jesus Words again, praying for all believers: John 17, notable : John 17:15 " I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil."

Hopefully helpful

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Joe 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

The Elect along with 2 witness will prophecy (teach) of the anti-Christ when everyone else have fallen for the great deception; those who sat in pews their whole life but were never taught the truth. Will be so ashamed that they fell for it that they will want mountains to fall on them but they will not be able to die. Revelation 6:16 Those who were patient, having eyes to see wait as a chase virgin for the true CHRIST who comes 7th trump.

We actually have no information about that, but we know that people living in God's presence may have information about things happening on earth. See Revelation 6:9-12

Re the pretrib contentions nowadays. I have a controversy with this for when a young Christian I was reproved of beloved *FATHER GOD* for some aggression in my walk. I was so moved, ashamed & repentant to think I was bruising others after experiencing much bruising attitudes and sad handling of situations through life till 52 years old when I finally confronted my Mother. "Mum, I have always though you did not like me." An immediate response was. " Edwin, how could you say such a thing!" "Well, thats the way Ive always felt." I answered. Again her quick answer was. "I can prove you were a wanted child, as I wanted 7 boys and you were number 5." Then as though conviction came upon her, she bowed her head saying. "OH Ed, I am sorry, I did neglect you." Resulting in her humbly accompanying me to Church of CHRIST NZ Mt Roskill, and her returning to her early Christianity. At death she said: "I said to GOD. I must be the proudest woman alive."Then with a grin. "I think *HE* said. "Dont be proud Jean, you are not." Loved that ! Brought up as atheists. Our *FATHER GOD* with infinite understanding foreseeing my response to the aggression reproof gave me three vivid dreams, clearly memorable to this day.

1/ We lived next to a catholic famly and a great wind storm came from the east to the west and I was blown horizontal, on our side holding onto a post of the fence between our two properties while all sorts of objects flew past me.

2/ A group of people complete with backpacks waiting on the northern grass siding of the Riverhead Road. Dad approached me from across the road. I noted his bright eyed face. Sparks fell around us as we lifted heavenward. Malachi 4:3. Rev 6:11. *GODS*wrathful DAYafter sifting tribulations.

3/ I was sitting in a round craft above the earth, two beings looking over the edge and one said to the other."Theres another one." As I looked to my right in the distance I could see the city of GOD bordered with a rainbow. Matt 24:31, Mark 13:27 GBU.

Here are some scriptures to help you with deeper understanding I hope:

Matthew 24:3-51, Mark 13:5-37, 1Corinthians 15:41-58, 1Thessalonians 4:13-18, Psalms 97:2, Psalms 104:3, Joel 2:1-15, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Matthew 26:62-68, Mark 14:60-65, Revelation 1:7, 2Thessalonians 1:4-12, 2Thessalonians 2:1-17, Revelation 6:9-17, Revelation 7, Revelation 8, note Revelation 8:6 continues on through Revelation 9, & Revelation 10, Revelation 10:6-7, Revelation 14, note Revelation 14:12-20,

Matthew 25:31-46, Revelation 20:5, Revelation 20:12-15, Revelation 20, in context &

Revelation 1:5, Colossians 1:18,

Hebrews 6:1-3, Hebrews 11, Revelation 11:15-19, Acts 24:15, Mark 12:26-27, Luke 16:19-31

Hope these are helpful

Hello John. I only recall there is only one Tribulation still to come. It is called, The Great Tribulation ( Matthew 24:21). Jesus said in John 16:33, "These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." Here, 'tribulation' is simply the sufferings, hardships, even persecutions that we all might face (as also Romans 8:35; 2 Corinthians 7:4; etc.). But the Great Tribulation that Jesus speaks of, & other epistle writers also refer to, is the time of the outpouring of God's Wrath ( Revelation 6:17; Revelation 16:1; 1 Thessalonians 5:9; Ephesians 5:6); an anger against the accumulated wickedness of Earth's inhabitants which cannot be held back by Him any longer. The deaths & devastation will be frightening to say the least & the world will know that this is the Anger of the Lord upon them & none will be innocent bystanders - all those left on Earth will stand guilty before Him.

Hebrews 12:1 continues, "Let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles, and let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us." Because of the faith and endurance of believers who went before us, we are inspired to stay the course in our own race of faith. We follow the examples of Abraham and Moses and Rahab and Gideon and etc.

Some people point to the rich man's mention of his brothers in Luke 16:28 as proof that departed souls (in Hades, at least) can see events on earth. However, the passage never says that the rich man could see his brothers; he knew he had brothers, and he knew they were unbelievers. Also, some people use Revelation 6:10 as a proof text: the tribulation martyrs call for God to avenge their deaths. Again, this passage says nothing about the martyrs seeing people on earth; it simply says that they knew they deserved justice and desired the Lord to take action.

The Bible doesn't specifically say that people in heaven cannot look down on us, so we can't be dogmatic. However, it is unlikely that they can. People in heaven are likely preoccupied with other things such as worshiping God and enjoying the glories of heaven.

Whether or not people in heaven can look down and see us, we are not running our race for them. We are not hoping for their approval or listening for their applause. Hebrews 12:2 keeps our focus where it belongs: "Fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith." Jesus is our blessed hope, no other ( Titus 2:13).

I think it's better to address our hopes and concerns to Jesus. Who ever lives to make intercessions for us.

Mishael

Sister GiGi, every Word God has ever spoken WILL COME TO PASS.

This is why it is SO IMPORTANT to understand, and believe, MOSSES and THE PROPHETS.

The Spirit of Christ prophesied that ONLY ONE THIRD (vessels of honour) of creation would be CALLED in this age of GRACE (the DAY OF THE LORD).

Ezekiel 5:1 .....then take three balances and weigh, and DIVIDE the hair ....( Revelation 6:5-6)

Ezekiel 5:2 Thou shall burn the THIRD PART in the midst of the city ....(you are the new Jerusalem of God)

Ezekiel 5:3 Thou shall also take thereof a FEW IN NUMBER, and bind them in thy skirts ( Psalms 133:2).

Ezekiel 5:4 Then take of them (the few) and cast them into the FIRE ( Malachi 3:2-3), and burn them (the few) in the FIRE; for thereof (the few) shall a FIRE ( Psalms 104:4) COME FORTH unto the House of Israel (you are the TRUE house of Israel).

Obadiah 1:18 And the house of Jacob (Jacob was the shadow; Christ is the TRUE) SHALL BE A FIRE, and the house of Joseph (Joseph was the shadow; Christ is the TRUE) shall be a flame, and the house of ESAU for stubble ..

Obadiah 1:21 And saviours shall come upon Mount Zion, to judge the mount of ESAU; and the KINGDOM (of GOD)(CHRIST IN YOU) shall be the Lord's.

Zechariah 13:09 And I WILL bring the THIRD PART THROUGH THE FIRE ..

Revelation 8:7 ... and there followed HAIL and FIRE .....

Isaiah 28:2 Behold, the Lord (the Father ) hath a strong and might one (CHRIST), which as a tempest of HAIL and a destroying storm ....

Isaiah 28:17 ..and the HAIL shall sweep away the refuge of lies ..

Revelation 8:8 ...as it were a great mountain BURNING WITH FIRE ...

Daniel 2:35 ...and the stone (CHRIST) that smote THE IMAGE (of the beast)( Revelation 13:15) became a great mountain (Mount Zion) ...

Revelation 9:18 By these three was a THIRD PART of man killed, by the FIRE, and by the SMOKE, and by the BRIMSTONE, WHICH ISSUED of there MOUTH.

The LAKE OF FIRE and BRIMSTONE comes out of the MOUTH, THE FIRE AND BRIMSTONE ARE THE WORD'S OF GOD.

Sister GiGi: Revelation is very much ACTUAL; but the ACTUAL is hidden in symbols, metaphors, etc.

The seven seals were opened at the death and resurrection of Christ and pentecost, forty five days later.

Revelation 6

First seal white horse (Christ) to conquer (as Holy Ghost).

Second seal red horse (Satan to deceive the whole world)

Third seal, black horse, balances (judgement give to rightly divide the word of God)

Forth seal Death and the grave

Fifth seal Old testament saints awaiting Christ resurrection.

Hebrews 11:39 And these all (Old Saints) having obtained a good report through FAITH (given to them by the Holy Ghost), received not the promise (of Eternal life, but having to wait under the alter (the grave) for Christ resurrection).

Hebrews 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us (we shall never see death), that they (Old Saints) without us (New Saints) should be made perfect (through Christ resurrection).

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that has his part in the FIRST RESURRECTION .....

Sixth seal Christ crucifixation and resurrection.

Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon turned to blood.

Joel 2:31 And the sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible DAY of the Lord come.

Matthew 27:51-53 earthquake, Old saints resurrected, moon (symbolic of Christ, Psalms 89:37).

Seventh seal silence in heaven one half hour (symbolic) of the forty five days between the resurrection and pentecost.

Daniel 12:11 From the time the daily sacrifice shall be taken away and the ABOMINATION THAT MAKETH DESOLATE SET UP, there shall be twelve hundred ninety days (forty two months, Christ ministry IN THE FLESH).

Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days (pentecost, Christ second coming and ministry on earth).

GBU

Dear Darel

Lets start from the beginning.

I won't take into account the Scripture of the OT as long at that period of time not much was revealed to people.

Lets go to NT. We can separate the period people lived in this world into two sections. Before and after Jesus' ressurection.

BEFORE: In the parable/real story that Jesus said in Luke 16:19-31 both the rich man and Lazarus are in hell. The greek text uses the word Ades instead. Ades was the place that souls went after death according to the ancient Greek mythology, and Luke uses that name to make gentiles feel better what he talks about . Surely Jesus used some other Jewish word. Nevermind it seems there were two sections adjacent, the good and the bad one. People could see others from the other section but couldn't go. A prejudgement has taken place since the final judgement will take place in the final chapter of Revelation and people were placed according to their lifes. Suffer or rejoice.

AFTER: Jesus said to that thief Luke 23:43 that today he will be with Him in Paradise. But where that paradice is located? Where is that "be with the Lord" that often Paul says in his epistles. We wii see. No other information is provided. to us untill Revelation 6:9-11. There we can see the souls being under the altar under the Throne of God. So after ressurection Jesus took all the saved souls from Ades and transferred them to Heaven under the altar under God's throne. This is where Paradise is located. And they will remain there till the final judgement when the bad people will be placed in the lake of fire and the saints will live with God on the new earth that God will create.

Now see that the souls at the altar are aware of their surroundings, are aware of what happens on earth, also they have a feeling of time ince they ask" How long oh Lord don't You..". They are not asllep, neither the rich man and Lazarus where. Sleep is just a nice way to say die. That is obvious in the story of Lazarus' ressurection.

GBU

Spencer,

Thanks for the notes, and I appreciate your passion for the Lord. I'm not going to worry about you creating a lot of sin in your local community.

Here is my interpretation of verses, and the rational I assign to them:

Revelation 20:10 After the 1,000 years, the devil is put in the lake of fire where the beast and false prophet are.

Revelation 20:15 *Here is the beauty; everybody that ever lived was written in the book of life. God does this wonderful thing, that through Christ's blood, may we all have life.

The OT saints are already in heaven, under the alter. They were given white robes at the fifth seal, and told to wait till the 144,000 are killed at the seventh trumpet, for judgment of those on EARTH, Revelation 6:9-11.

Your heart is attached to Salvation, mine to the prophets. If you have any questions, or other topics, a second opinion, let me know.

Sorry about the Revelation 11:7 typo. It should read like below:

-Look who the 5th seal saints were told to wait for before He judges the earth. Revelation 6:9-11 & Revelation 11:7

What group is resurrected first, at the seventh trumpet?

Revelation 7:1-8 occurs before the six trumpet, before the day of the Lord, when the 144,000 saints are sealed. Continuing, Revelation 7:9-15, where now it's the seventh trumpet, Revelation 11:15, and the same sealed saints have been resurrected, and are now standing in heaven. We know it's the saints because we're told they came out of the great tribulation.

(same scene, different angle)

Revelation 5:11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;*10,000 x 10,000 = 100,000+ remaining = 144,000

Look at the moment the saints are resurrected? Revelation 11:11-12

Look who the 5th seal saints were told to wait for before He judges the earth. Revelation 6:9-11 & Revelation 11-7

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Paul was not talking to the general population, he was talking to his kind, first fruits, fellow elite, saints, dead and alive. The scriptures bear this out, who they are, and is always up for debate if you think you are a first fruit.

We have a little ways to go before the sixth trmpet. On my map, we are at the tail end of the fifth trumpet, in the midst of Revelation 17, just before the Revelation 6:14 scroll. Entering Ezekiel 21:7

The End of Days,

It took you longer to see the tidings, but you are coming around. Before, and for the past year, you denied what you now are saying to be truth. That goes to say that only God can show you the way, when your time comes.

God says the day of the Lord attack is "UPON MY PEOPLE". Ezekiel 21:12 God calls the northern tribes "Israel", the lower 3 tribes, "Judah" America, from its origin, is a co-birthright tribe, son of Joseph, Genesis 48 The same attack is also portrayed against Mystery Babylon, so if you are weighing the end-time narrative out, you'll see that Mystery Babylon (and it's allies) = Israel = America. Judah is invaded, Joel 3:1, at the same time America falls.

America was envisioned as a shining star for the nations, but its star has fallen. The woman, America, became a whore, unrighteous, fomenting modern day Sodom and Gomorrah, the antithesis of what God intended. Therefore, God brings forth Russia to destroy them, Isaiah 47 This coming attack is similar to when Assyria took "Israel" captives in 721 BC, or "Judah" being taken by Nebuchadnezzar in 604 BC.

Noah escaped the flood in a boat, Lott was rescued from Sodom and Gomorrah, the Israelites in Egypt covered their doorways from death. It is America that the beast Russia destroys within 1 hour, and the only cure is to leave. You have been warned to not partake in her plagues, Revelation 18:4, you have choice. The next big event is Revelation 6:14, the "scroll". If you know what's coming afterwards, it's up to you to prepare an exit.