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I will go further Jesus was called Jesus at Bethlehem. Jesus was Flesh and Gods spirit .

Being born of God, Jesus's Spirit of God was WITH God or OF God . Did he have a name then ? What was it ? Does the scriptures say ? He was called Jesus , at his birth on earth . not before .it should be clear who Jesus is . It did not say that He was called Jesus from a previous life . They called him Jesus at his birth .

Because Jesus is from God as he himself said . He never called himself other than Gods son and that happened in Bethlehem. Being of God he also is before the foundation of the world , do you understand this ? If Jesus was a prophet like John only , he would be a man Spirit fulled at best like John the Baptist . But Jesus is the second Adam .

If you Jesus has not flesh then it's not the Jesus of the bible .

God says that he is not a man or has flesh , we are talking about the One God the father .

Do you believe in holiness? Was Mary not holy ? It says that without holiness no man shall see the Lord , so holiness is required and possible . In OT and NT times .

Thomas also needed a push to believe. The Lord in his love showed Thomas his hands and feet, then Thomas knew Him.

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Did you not read John 1? Is your motive to gain understanding of a different perspective or to just stick with what you want to believe?

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

"the Word was God."

The Bible is 100% clear that "the Word was God"- do you agree? It says it in John 1:1 verbatim.

Who is the Word? If you keep reading it answers that in 100% clear language

John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

The "Word" was made flesh and dwelt among us (people).

Verse 15 says John (the Baptist) bore witness to Him. This narrows it down so much there is absolutely no one else this could possibly be but Jesus Christ. It would take serious mental gymnastics to make it mean anyone else, but Jesus Christ.

So, let's review. John 1:1 In the beginning was (Jesus Christ), and the (Jesus Christ) was with God, and the (Jesus Christ) was God.

All of this we get from John 1, the scripture I already provided which you seemed to have missed.

But there's much more than one verse that says Jesus is God. When it says God, it doesn't mean God the Father though, but God the Son. And Jesus is Lord and as well as other terms used in reverence. Just because people have a hard time comprehending the "three are one" doesn't mean they need to try to rewrite the Bible to mean something entirely different. It's already correct exactly as it says. That's part of being a Christian and having faith.

1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let US make man in our image"

John 11:6-7 "And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. Go to, let US go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech."

John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."

John 8:19 "if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also."

Do you believe these Bible verses?

You wrote: "Since Jesus being born of God he also was with God before the foundation of the world". If Jesus was with God, what form did He take? Was He an angel, a heavenly being, or something else? Your answer to this will indicate what Jesus was in Heaven & then on Earth.

Concerning Mary. Mary was a sinner as we all are - even Enoch. Why God chose Mary rather than another woman we're not told, except that she was "highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women." ( Luke 1:28). She wasn't made sinless so that she could bear the Son of God; she was like any other, being given the privilege to bear this Holy Child without any contribution from her.

Just show us a verse that says Jesus is God .

We know God said he was God and no one else many times , and He called Jesus his son .

Just 1 verse that is specifically saying Jesus is God !

There is none .

>Does that make him God ? No

Yes it does. Just read John 1. One has to cherry pick and disregard most of Bible in order to draw such a conclusion. Specific verses that debunk this radical idea have been posted countless times here and elsewhere online. A 2 second search will show all the proof you need that Jesus is God- remember the verse the 3 are one? And the father and I are one? Only satan can be behind this effort of trying to discredit Jesus. Shame on you for spreading anti-Christian propaganda.

An answer to someone's question....

Isaiah 55:11

So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

When the Lord says something in the Bible or by way of the Holy Spirit (to your spirit),

It will be done.

Mishael

( Psalms 86:6) I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Are there any other bible verses referencing 'righteous anger' ? As Jesus had when dealing with the moneychangers at the temple in overturning their tables.

Jesus did say He was God. John 10:30, I and my Father are one.

Why are people under the delusion that Jesus was only a man if not God ?

Jesus is neither one alone .

Jesus is the Son of God as we all know , but do we understand what that makes him ? Most do not I think .

How did Jesus become the son of God ?

The answer is in the Bible the Holy Spirit from God came upon Mary who was holy or it never would have happened .

Yes sinful flesh can become holy . By putting away sin , and obeying God . Remember Enoch he walked with God and was taken to heaven , and also had a flesh inherited from the first Adam , as Mary had .

Jesus was born of God at inception within Marys womb .

The true Christ has and is come in the flesh, that's Jesus the Son of God , yet also Born of God through the Holy Spirit .

Here is how I understand how Jesus that is born of God was before the foundation of the World . It's quite simple , God the creator of everything and every man including Jesus was before all things exsisted , being the sole creator . Not hard to understand.

Since Jesus being born of God he also was with God before the foundation of the world .

Quite simple . Does that make him God ? No . But he is from God yes . The son of God . Not merely a man . But a man born also of God , he demonstrated the power of God as a man .

Yet he is not God there is only one God . The son of God come in the flesh . That's Jesus . And now at the fathers right hand ...

I hope that helps

I agree with what you've written there. But you say that "this is a real problem to truth seekers".

I suppose, if the 'truth seeker' is not conversant with the Bible & only knows Jesus as the Son of God, then it would be correct to believe that Jesus had no prior existence, that Jesus was a specially created man, born of a virgin, without sin, had a great ministry amongst His people, & ultimately put to death for mankind's sins. But you feel that maybe the claim that "Jesus is God" creates a problem to these seekers.

If I were to share with such a seeker, I would have to speak to him about Who this Creator God is (i.e. His Nature/His Character); Who this Son of God is & Who this Spirit of God is. And all these terms we read of in the Bible which would require a lot of examination from the Scriptures.

However, I perceive that you may be questioning this yourself: if Jesus never claimed to be God and since the Creator God is One God, then why do some Christians claim that Jesus is God (or actually, that Jesus is part of the Godhead)? And since you want to see the actual words, "Jesus said that He was God" in the Bible, without inferences/allusions to that, then you would have trouble finding it. Mainly because that the Jesus we are introduced to in the Bible is found born a babe & then grown to be a man, Who was called both 'Son of God and Son of Man'.

So these terms signify Jesus' introduction into the World but the truth seeker would have to ask, "Could a specially created man, created to be the sacrifice for mankind's sins qualify to pay such a big price to appease the Creator God?" If yes, then why wouldn't a specially created animal by God (that is one that was truly spotless & unblemished than what the children of Israel provided for sacrifice) suffice for our sacrifice instead of man's death? What was about this Son of God that was different from any special creation that qualified Him to be our sacrifice? Your thoughts please?

Especially in the old testament God states very often that He is God alone and there is none beside Him .Is God lying in the old testament ? Is it a different God because it is the old testament ? Is God the author of confusion ?

The three are "Spirits", not "persons". You can't pour out a person.

( Acts 2:17) And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh:...

( Joel 2:28) And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh;...

The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages. These scriptures are evidence of all 3 persons of the Godhead speaking to each other.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

Isaiah 6:8

Romans 1:20

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:27-30

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made (us), even his eternal power and GODHEAD so that they are without excuse:"

Father purposes

Jesus speaks the Word

The Holy Spirit (action) accomplishes it

If you are born again, the Holy Spirit seals you; He is the Spirit of Jesus Christ. He indwells you. Comforts you. He is your Teacher. He anoints you to understand scripture. He is your Helper. He is gentle, and kind. He reveals Jesus to you.

Why would you not fully cling to Him? Study the Word. Ask questions. Sit quietly in His presence until He Reveals the Word to you. Why do you not sing praises to God, through Him?

Drink the milk of His Word, and seek the Meat of the Word. Taste and see the Goodness of the Lord.

Try to comprehend what is right in front of you. Pursue Him with all of your strength.

This age we are living in is going to close out. Are you going to go with Him?

The born again are not of This World. We are aliens. We look for the Completion of the Bible.

Some day soon, Father God is going to STAND UP. Jesus will come in the Clouds, for His Church.

At that time, the Holy Spirits presence will not be as near as He is now.

How does splitting Bible amongst ourselves Help the Unbelieving have enough knowledge and faith, to take hold of God with that faith and believe Jesus is Who His Word says He is?

Pray to the LORD of the Harvest. Then go out and work in the Harvest. Ask the Lord to set up Divine Appointments. Go ye.

Do you love me? Feed My Sheep. Carry My lambs. Ask yourself, What Time is it?

Mishael

In 1494 the Slave Coast of "Afra" used to be named WHIDDAH Land. Which lines up with where the 2 ND hook of MACCABEES says the tribe of OUIDAH migrated to.

If you will put Amos 5:8 in the Search Box; it will show the scripture highlighted in yellow. Scroll down to the Commentary Box and read that. Click on Other discussion for that verse. Many of us commented on that scripture 11 months ago.

You can put that verse in Google like this: Amos 5:8 commentaries, or Amos 5:8 teachings

To see what scholars have thought that verse to mean. Definitely take some notes in a notebook.

If your KJV Bible has 'center of each page reference columns', that's what I use to follow scripture trails to additional info. Some are relevant to your search, and others aren't.

My phone is out of gas; catch up with you later.

1. SEARH BOX

2. Other Translations for Amos 5:8

3. Bible Commentary for Amos 5:8

4. Wesley's Notes for Amos 5:8

5. Other Discussion

This is Wesleys Comments

5:8 The seven stars - A constellation, whose rising about September was usually accompanied with sweet showers. Orion - Which arising about November brings usually cold, rains and frosts intermixt very seasonable for the earth. The shadow of the earth - The greatest adversity into as great prosperity. Dark with might - Changes prosperity into adversity. That calleth - Commands the vapour to ascend, which he turns into rain; and then pours from the clouds to make the earth fruitful.

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Mishael,

Why not talk more about the end-times, so the ignorant may become wise? Something big is coming our way, catastrophic. You are bright with the NT, no doubt, but what of the OT? Jesus never shied away from honoring the prophets, and without them, there'd be nothing to fulfill. More importantly, in our times, we are seeing Revelation unfold. Shouldn't you understand the signs and tell the people over affirmations?

Do you know how many Christians believe Jesus is coming next to save us, while not understanding antichrist must yield 42 months of world power, prior to Messiah's appearing? Christians are in a spiritual haze, without compass, no order of semblance or understanding. They know what someone has told them.

I see 99% NT here, some to never know the prophets are more accurate than the morning newspaper. The prophets paint America as Mystery Babylon (new Rome) that gets hit with the "abomination of desolation" at the day of the Lord, sixth trumpet. There's only east vs west powers left: beast & Babylon. Come to terms with America being that evil, backsliding militant government, where in one hour is brought to naught. ( Revelation 18:18-20) God avenges the blood of prophets on her, the same forgotten prophets of today.

The day of the Lord does not mean what most think it does ( Isaiah 13) ( Isaiah 47) ( Revelation 18). For people of earth, Babylon, it is a day of darkness and thick dark clouds. The beast has super weapons ( Ezekiel 21:9-12); devices ( Daniel 11:25) at sixth trumpet, and ( Daniel 11:24) post sixth trumpet. His weapons cause enough damage to knock the earth off its axis ( Isaiah 24:20) wobble, causing less daylight, a global curse. Joel 2:1-11 gives a visceral account of the unstoppable smart missile strike. The sixth trumpet is effectively the destruction of the whole house of Israel ( Isaiah 24), save the one hundred forty four thousand, elect. Between the sixth and seventh trumpets lie mans worst days.

Thanks for your perspective.

Four Horsemen: Book of Revelation, Zechariah, and Book of John (Patmos)

The four horsemen are described as Satan's army, Conquest, War, Famine and Death.

Four figures in the Book of Revelation who symbolize the evils to come at the end of the world: They are often called the Four horsemen of the Apocalypse:

The figure representing CONQUEST rides a white horse

WAR rides a red horse

FAMINE, a black horse

DEATH, a pale horse.

by PLAGUE and PESTILENCE, Earthquakes, Violent Weather.

They are often called the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

These are SIGNS we are to be watching for. When they occur together.

Personally, I believe conquest is the subverting of world governments or political power. The Antichrist goal is to produce one world government and one world religion. Also, one world money system, which the Beast will use to deceive people into taking his Mark into their foreheads or hands: in order to buy and sell goods. Feed babies.

Different Bible translations say of MATTHEW 24: plagues, pestilence. Our society calls it "world pandemic". It's a disguise for the truth told to us 2000 years ago, by the Son of God.

*All these things are happening together in THIS century; Jesus told us these are the signs of the last generation of people.

Keep watch on world money systems changing to create the One World Money System. Such as bitcoins and other money manipulations. Don't fall into the trap thinking governments cannot possibly de-value the money, gold, silver and precious stones, minerals.

Revelation 6:1-8

Become aware of Nations aligning themselves with other nations AGAINST the Nation of Israel. God will not allow any nation to nuke Israel. Watch and pray lots.

Mishael

What does the pale horse represent?

Mark of the Beast

The fifth trumpet gives way to the sixth seal that gives way to the sixth trumpet:

( Revelation 9:1-11) fifth trumpet.



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( Isaiah 33:1) Woe to thee that spoilest, and thou wast not spoiled; and dealest treacherously, and they dealt not treacherously with thee! when thou shalt cease to spoil, thou shalt be spoiled; and when thou shalt make an end to deal treacherously, they shall deal treacherously with thee. (sixth trumpet warning)

The sixth seal:

( Revelation 6:12-14) unfolds like a rolled up scroll. The two separate sixth seal events start with Revelation 6:13, then vs 14's "scroll", then to vs 12's earthquake, which triggers the day of the Lord. Logic stands that vs 14 must happen before vs 12, being that vs 12 signifies the iconic sixth trumpet, "the day of the Lord" battle. vs 17 verifies it. The sixth seal earthquake ushers in the sixth trumpet.

( Revelation 6:13) And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. (vs 14) And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. (vs 12) And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; (vs 17) For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

( Revelation 11:13-14) And in that hour there was a great earthquake ( Revelation 6:12), and a tenth of the city collapsed.... vs 14 The second woe is past....

vs 13's great earthquake begins the second woe. Also, verses 13 & 14 are 3.5 years apart.

Revelation 5

Revelation 7

Revelation 11

Revelation 12

Revelation 14

The witnesses are special enough to be the subject of 5 Chapters, and that they're hidden from you until I come along. Just prior to the 6th trumpet ( Revelation 7:1-3), the elect 144,000 are sealed for 3.5 years (42 months) against death. At the end of their testimony, these elect will lay dead in the street for 3.5 days, then taken up in the clouds at the seventh trumpet, second coming of Jesus Christ. Since antichrist is revealed at the start of the sixth trumpet, ( 2 Thessalonians 2:3) the day of the Lord, his 3.5 years expire at the start of the seventh trumpet. The elect die 3.5 days before the seventh trumpet resurrection, while antichrist's time hasn't come yet. This leaves a 3.5 day gap between the tribes being sealed, and the sixth trumpet. For prophesy to be fulfilled, the 144,000 must receive a full 1,260 days of sealed protection.

The tribes are sealed 3.5 days prior to the sixth trumpet, day of the Lord. What will they do in that 3.5 day day window?

( Joel 2:28-31) And it shall come to pass afterward [( Acts 2:17-21) And it shall come to pass in the last days], that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:...

Could this Holy Ghost outpour occur during the 3.5 day "gap" prior to the day of the Lord, so that we, with the elect, should all (flesh) receive the Holy Ghost?

We also have the promise of ( Malachi 4:5) Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: [between Revelation 6:14 & Revelation 6:12?]

Luke 24:13, John 6:19, John 11:18, Revelation 14:20, and Revelation 21:16 mention furlong.

What verse in the Bible mentions furlong

Nathalie,

Revelation 6:1-2 begins the breaking of the seven seals. At the breaking of the first seal, the antichrist is introduced. He is the one sitting on a white horse who has a bow, and a crown that was given to him, and he goes forth to conquer. Even though this is a white horse, and some think that because it is a white horse that this is Christ, this is not Christ. This is the antichrist.

This is the breaking of the first seal. We know today that the antichrist has not yet been revealed. Even though it's possible that he may be alive and walking the earth right now, he has yet to be revealed. Once the first seal is broken, he will be revealed.

So I would say that none of the seals have been broken yet.

The seals are not in chronological order. Now the first seal is the rider at the 6th trump with a fake crown and a poison bow that's toxic who deceives the world and he looks just like Jesus and that is the one you want to watch for because he is kicked out of heaven to deceive the whole world as Revelaion 12:7,8,9,10 tells us and it's nice and quite in heaven but woe to us on earth when he stands up and says he is God return so just watch for a false messiah who has supernatural powers who tells you he is going to rapture you out of here because the rapture is a lie Ezekiel 13 God hates those who teach His children they can fly away to save their souls. And we learn at the 6th Trump Satan comes in peace and prosperity as Daniel tells us and the deception begins and the 5th trump has ended with the false preachers and teachers who taught their lies and they will gather their flocks of dead souls from their churches and follow the antichrist and all those who didn't read the Bible and learn the instructions and the plan of God will follow and will all be worshipping the beast and then at the 7th Trump our Lord Jesus returns with fire and hail stones and you will know our Christ returns and those caught in the deception because they listened to men and didn't read the word will hide where ever they can because of their shame and the preachers will say but we did this and that for you Lord and He will say I know you not. Revelation 9 the time was cut to 5 months and if you cut that Satan is here 2 and a half months so store food and keep reading our Bible because it Pleases Father.

what seal are we in today

Rev robert, may the Spirit grace you with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Revelation 14

Revelation 15

Revelation 16

This is the work of CHRIST DEATH on the cross and the work of HIS RESURRECTION and the battle ( Revelation 16:14) we are caused to fight to come to this TRUTH IN CHRIST. Being fulfilled for the last 2000 years as the Fathers draws us to CHRIST and CHRIST gives us HIS UNDERSTANDING to overcome. ASK HIM he will cause you to understand; but it HIS time frame. We have been in the day of the Lord now for 2000 years. He is harvesting HIS FRUITS as they become first ripe (firstfruits) ( Revelation 14:14-20) ( Matthew 20:1-16)

When the sixth seal was opened ( Revelation 6:12) Christ was crucified; prophecy of ( Joel 2:31). The old testament saints and the children of the resurrection were raised with him ( Isaiah 26:19),( Revelation 20:5-6) and ( Matthew 27:52-53). The old testament saints were sealed with the Holy Spirit and the body of Christ ( 1 Timothy 6:16)( Revelation 7:3-8). There was silence in heaven for one half hour ( Revelation 8:1) between the sixth and seventh seal. This is the 45 days between Christ resurrection and pentecost ( Daniel 12:11-12) 1335 days minus 1290 days. No one could enter into the temple (into Christ) until the seven plagues were pour out on Christ (he took God's wrath for us). now we can be ONE IN CHRIST ( Revelation 15:6-8). The four living creatures before the throne ( Revelation 4:6-8) is all creation. God made a covenant with Noah that they would never be destroyed again ( Genesis 9:9-12) man, cattle, beast and fowl. ( Ezekiel 1:10) ( Revelation 4:7). ALL CREATION will worship God. The lake of fire is how Christ cleanses and purifies us.

Hebrews 12:29

Luke 12:49-50

Matthew 3:11-12

Isaiah 9:5

Isaiah 4:3-4

Malachai 3:2-3

Ezekiel 20:46-49

1 Corinthians 3:15