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My understanding is, this is the deception of deceptions and will cause the great falling away, 2 Thessalonians 2:3. Part of this deception is that the great tribulation and the wrath of God are taught as being the same thing. We must understand the wrath of God comes after the second coming of Jesus not before. Matthew 24:29-31 Mark 13:24-27.
It developed in the 17th Century, and it quickly led to an understanding that the rapture of the church would be an event separate from and before the second coming of Christ. It was made popular by John Darby, and he is thought by many to be the originator but not. C.I. Scofield, with the study bible with footnotes, helped promote this doctrine of man. It started as pre-tribulation and still mostly believed in.
We as humans sometimes look for the easy way out, and many preachers oblige to fill the money plate that makes merchandise of people, 2 Peter 2:3. Scripture does not say we will be spared tribulation it says the opposite, Acts 14:22 John 16:33. It is debated that although all Christians go through some tribulation, there is yet a great tribulation to come those true believers will not have to undergo. So, who are these, Revelation 7:13-14 Revelation 20:4
Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
The mark and saving our physical life is the temptation, that so many don't believe they will be here to face, that is the great deception. Keep from does not mean we will be spared from being killed it means to spiritually guard (watch), keep intact, Hebrews 3:6. The believers in Jesus in the past were not spared being beheaded, burnt on a stake, fed to the lions, why should we.
God bless,
RLW
Thanks for your reply,
Here's what I interpret out of the verses you have given. When I look at Revelation 14:1. I take this to be the same 144,000 mentioned in Revelation 7:4. "And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel."
This group here is 144,000 out of Israel being sealed for service.
And Revelation 7:5-8, reaffirms that these are all Israelites. "No Gentiles"
The group in Rev. 5.9. is said to be the redeemed out of EVERY Nation of all sorts of people of the earth.
Revelation 5:9. And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood OUT OF EVERY KINDRED, AND TONGUE, AND PEOPLE, AND NATION; " This group is unnumbered "
Also the locations are different.
In Revelation 5 they're around the throne of God,
In Revelation 14:1. They're on mount zion. "Jerusalem. Psalms 2:6.
You said,
"(God said he chose )only 144,000 to reign."
I'm sorry but I don't see where " HE SAID HE CHOSE only "144,000 to reign on earth or in Heaven.
I see that you have a different view.
I just wanted to share mine.
God bless.
This isn't an argument I like, simply because we are not getting the whole picture, it's a dream state in Plato's cave.
I'm dismayed to report that your context lacks continuity:
Revelation 6 describes subsequent seals, through sixth seal events that lead up to and are actually kicks off (vs 12) the day of the Lord. You must have got mixed up here, made a mistake in scripture selection.
Revelation 7:13-14 These are the 7th trumpet saints, resurrected from the great tribulation and standing in heaven, they were previously getting sealed in verses 1-8.
Matthew 24:29-31 This sequence tells of the 6th trumpet (vs 29) and the 7th trumpet 2nd coming of Christ (vs 30). They are 2 separate events in time.
Isaiah 13:9-11 This is a classic 6th trumpet, day of the Lord depiction.
Revelation 7:15-17 OK, this is a millennium scripture.
The earth was not ever fully destroyed, and that is the absolute reason why Jesus intervenes on our affairs. Jesus returns when he does to stop anti-christ's feuding army from completely blowing up the earth. God lures the beast to Armageddon, where originally the beast was going to fight the false prophet to the death, until Christ showed up. If Jesus didn't save the earth, then whats the point of a savior? He didn't die on the cross in vain. I strongly believe you are reading this wrong, and limited sources doesn't help much.
Daniel 7:12 will manifest itself in our realm, like anti-christ will manifest himself after the falling away. The other beasts are nations, and peoples, not figments of God's imagination. These characters are real nations and real people, doing the Lord's will. The same on earth as in heaven, so above, so below. We are soon moving on to a new age, and changes are on the way.
John 4:35,
But Also : Genesis 40:16-23, Joel 1:7, Leviticus 13, Revelation 15:6,
Hopefully these are helpful.
In the Bible (Old Testament) we see this expression often ( Ezekiel 7:2; Isaiah 11:12) giving us the Hebrew word, kanaph, which in this usage, means 'extremities'. In the New Testament ( Revelation 7:1) the Greek word is 'gonia' & here it means 'angle, corner, division'. So the 'angels standing on the four corners of the Earth' seem to represent the division of the earth into four, and each angel covering the quadrant assigned to him, holding back the winds. Today, we would use the four points of the compass to describe the expanse of the Earth ( Luke 13:29), though the meaning in those days was that 'people would come from where the sun rises, from where it sets, from where the North wind comes, & from the direction of the South wind'. All these speak of the 'four corners of the Earth', never implying that the Earth has actual corners, which could never be identified anyway, no matter how hard man searched for them.
& sealed in The last days Revelation 7:2-17, Hopefully these are all helpful
You don't need to look far to see disregard for life of babies, abortion kills millions & who spares a single child from it? Spade & nueter goes on constantly of animals destroying seed before reproduction. Crimes, injustice, lies, greed etc. If it was so wicked & coucorrupt then? I don't want to imagine. )=
Psalms 139, Psalms 111, Matthew 9:26, Matthew 14:14, Isaiah 53:5, 1 Peter 2:24, Revelation 7:16-17,
Dan was one of the tribes that committed idolatry. And God's judgment came on the tribes that committed idolatry.
Their land will be returned to them at the second coming of Christ.
So when you see the several lists in the Old Testament of the tribes, they'll line up differently than the 12 tribes that are listed in Revelation chapter 7.
Because of the tribes that were under the judgment of God for idolatry, they were not sealed.
But at the second coming of Christ in Revelation Chapter 19, the land and the boundaries will then be returned to the tribes that were under judgment. They are only under judgment up to the second coming of Christ.
Hebrew names in the Bible of people and places use a precise form of onomastics and transliteration, i.e. Joshua = Yhosua = "Jehovah or YHVH is salvation". Many examples are provided all throughout scripture (ex. Gen 16:14) Now, if you take this fact based scriptural knowledge and apply it to God's Word all throughout you will find the truth you seek. When applied properly to Gen 5 you will see God foretells the plan of salvation through Jesus (actual Hebrew name Yhosua). Now apply what you have just learned to Rev 7 and you will discover that the whole, complete and logical answer to your question is a veiled account of the Church being given as the bride of Christ a 6 thousand year struggle coming to an end, reproach being taken away and God turning to Israel to redeem her (as scripturally promised). Now at this point using this fact based scriptural approach the following verses from Rev 7:13-17 should suddenly become obvious as to what just happened. You will find the cipher key starts in Gen 29:32 and ends in Gen 43:51. Just organize them as ordered in Rev 7.
P.S. - 6000 from creation is upon us. Be blessed
Genesis 49:16-18, Judges 18:1-31, 1 Kings 12:30, Amos 8:14, 2 Chronicles 16:4, 1 Kings 15:20, Jeremiah 8:14-17, * Deuteronomy 29:1-29,
Replaced by Manasseh, * Genesis 48:1-6, Numbers 26:28, Psalms 77:15,
You may or may not be right. I realize I am not smart enough to predict the end time, or spend time on conspiracy theories. I rest easy in the Lord, and I confide all of my worries to him. God tells us:
Matthew 24:36
"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."
This verse is so very powerful:
Zephaniah 2:3
"Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger."
God tells us above - that he may hide us in the day of the LORDS anger, that is the Meat and Drink that I focus on.
Happy Sabbath Day!
If you'll visit THE TWO PREACHERS on YouTube; they are missionaries who also collect disaster videos daily, from people in other countries. They Mail videos in to their website to publish.
America is having our own disasters true, but combined with videos from other countries; you understand that the Last Days are advancing faster.
Signs of the times. We should keep a daily eye on Jerusalem Post DOT com as well. The Book of Daniel is one to study now.
Common folks know something is happening, but they may not be seeing it as happening world wide. As Jesus's followers we need to get this out to people on social media but not seeing the reality.
Jesus is coming for those LOOKING FOR HIM.
Keep a bookmark in the 10 VIRGINS PARABLE.
Preach. Relate News. Tell Stories!
Think like an evangelist please! We are shepherds. We lead sheep to the truth and reality. We carry lambs. We discern situations.
Bossy and condescending are not good references. Tell me a Story of WHO The Good Shepherd is?
Today I cleaned through everything to find every Bible Tract or pamphlet I have. I'm handing them out door to door at my senior complex. I gave a pamphlet and a parakeet to a new resident who's lonely, from California. Her kids moved her here. The parakeets name is John the Baptist.
He's loud.
Figure out what part you are in the Body of Christ. I'm feet carrying the Good News.
Revelation 1: 8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
One day in the future, we will see all things. Please dont read and mixed up things with this or that.
God have the control of all thing. Belive in Him the only God and King Jesus Christ our savior. Love u in Christ
Again , look in Revelations chapter 9. We find that the four angels had been reserved for a year , a month , a day, an hour TO SLAY A THIRD OF MANKIND. No doubt evil.
I wonder whether they are the four major mrna vaccines firms : Pfizer, AstraZeneca , Johnson & Johnson , and Moderna? Hence the "scorpions" in chapter 9. Possibly syringes? Or vaccinations?
Five billion people (and counting) who have been vaccinated. The scientists of faith tell us that they carry a legion of diseases. Some quick acting. But most slow acting but certain in their goal.
In the time of Noah, ( Gen 6 ) we are told that the "sons of God" ( rebellious angels were cast out of Heaven ) and saw the "daughters of men" and married them. This cross fertilisation of non/human DNA destroyed the pure human gene pool. The Holy Spirit could not indwell in their offsprings as they were no longer human. But Noah was "Perfect" ( Tamiym ) . The interpretation given in the Old Testament lexicon: complete, whole, entire whole, sound, healthful complete, entire (of time) sound, wholesome, unimpaired, innocent, having integrity what is complete. It lends itself to a PHYSICAL perfection.
Today, the four angels and their vaccines, if true , we are told, change the DNA of mankind.
Christ told us in Matthew 24 :"As it was in the time of Noah, so shall it be in the time of the coming of the Son of man".
It is also in that same passage that Christ says that He will send his angels to gather His "elect" from the four winds held by the four angels.
John 8:31, Matthew 27:11, John 18:33, Revelation 7:5
Appreciate your kind comments on my last post.
To begin, my comment concerning the number of resurrections from death by Christ must have not been clear to you. I know of only 3 recorded resurrections performed by Christ: Lazarus, John 11:1-44; the widow's son, Luke 7:11-17; and Jairus's daughter, Luke 8:40-56 I then expressed my opinion there were most likely more that were not recorded. I see Christ as a compassionate savior, and personally, believe more miracles were performed than are recorded in today's Bible.
My conviction the story of Lazarus the beggar is a parable is based on the Hebrew meaning of the name Lazarus meaning "God has helped". Christ was speaking to an audience of disciples originally and some Pharisees later joined the group, verse 14, and began to deride Christ. Christ then speaks to the Pharisees as to their violations of the Law and the parable of Lazarus.
The parable of Lazarus serves a twofold purpose. First it serves to emphasize the responsibility of those more fortunate to aid the less fortunate. Second, it foretales the rejection of Christ by the Jews, even after the resurrection. The first purpose most likely fell on deaf ears as the Pharisees because of their self-righteousness. The second was not realized and accepted by even the remaining 11 disciples initially.
Reference to the place of the spirit after death until the gathering of the church by Christ is referenced after the resurrection by Paul, in many places in scripture. Paul refers to the "holding place: as sleep.
Now, where did the souls John sees in Revelation come from and at what point did they arrive in heaven. Revelation 3:10 is easily interperted as the rapture before tribulation. Revelation 7:9-17 surely is post-rapture by content.
My point - the spirit of the vast majority of Christians do not enter heaven prior to the rapture. Enoch, perhaps. Elijiah definitely ( 2 Kings 2:11).
Thank you, my brother in Christ
However Revelation 7:9-17 gives hope to all others
Hope that's helpful.
And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
Philippians 2:10
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Isaiah 37:16
O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou hast made heaven and earth.
Genesis 2:4
These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
Psalms 19:1. The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
John 1:3 - All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. Romans 1:20 - For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Ecclesiastes 3:11 - He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end. Genesis 2:1
1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Comment by Mishael: I pray for angels to guard the 4 corners of my home. I have never had any demonic manifestations for 36 years. God gave us DOMINION; and Jesus gives us HIS AUTHORITY to to stop satanic activity immediately.
I think Space dot com slash NASA has the best photos.
Sorry no tribe of Dan.
These symbolic tribes made Mary and joseph available
OR chosen to take care of the promise seed; Jesus Christ. Matthew 1; Revelation 7:4-8
by means of these tribes 144,000 will be chosen from God himself (from earth 50ad-?) to share as Jesus helper in Jehovah's ( Psalm 83:18) coming Kingdom. Revelation 20
However, the Dan tribe and many others also mentioned in Matthew 1 did not share in the baptism of holy spirit. ( Acts 1&2 Chapters). so therefore, they have a privilege of being
resurrected back to earth in the
coming kingdom. Revelation 21:3-5
Psalm 37:9-11,29,34; Matthew 6:9,10
Precious friend, actually the confusion disappears when the THREE raptures "are LEFT In God's Contexts, Where HE Placed Them!" Amen? ie:
PRE-TOJT rapture:
(1) Body Of CHRIST Departure TO Heaven (Read/study Romans - Philemon) = God's 'Context' is ALL 'Spiritual!' We are not "looking for the man of sin/signs to enter into The Time of Jacob's Trouble." ( 2 Corinthians 5:7); We are "looking, watching, and Patiently waiting For CHRIST, Who Will Present ALL of The Body Of CHRIST, holy and unblameable and unreproveable, In His Sight, TO His Father, In Heaven, Where we Will Live Forever And Ever! ( 1 Thessalonians 3:13; Colossians 1:5, 22; 1 Corinthians 6:3; 2 Corinthians 5:1-2) Amen?
MID-TOJT raptures:
(2) During The Time {God's 'Context'} of JACOB's {ISRAEL's} Trouble, there Will Be TWO "raptures":
a) one departure is of the TWO witnesses, killed, resurrected, and taken up ( Revelation 11:1-12)
b) the other departure is of the 144,000 "sealed virgins of TWELVE tribes ( Revelation 7:1-8) redeemed from the earth," and were "without fault before The Throne of God!" ( Revelation 14:1-5)
Please refrain from listening to those who "MIX these up" in confusion. And:
Please Be RichlyEncouraged, Enlightened,Exhorted, and Edified In JESUS CHRIST!
( 2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship, today?)
( Revelation 6:9-11) And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
When the witness are called up to heaven ( Revelation 11:12) and they appear in heaven as the one hundred forty four thousand ( Revelation 7:13-14) after being sealed 42 months prior ( Revelation 7:1-8) They come out of the great tribulation!!!
( Revelation 11:4) These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. These 2 olive trees and 2 candlesticks are both houses of Israel, 2 nations, before God.
There is no separation between the witnesses and the sealed tribes, they are one in the same.
Here is one: A government that persecutes or suppresses the children of God may fall into the area of a beast government. This can be true even while the government performs services of law and order under God's will.
A person that joins themselves to a spirit of suppression or persecution by using the government as force, they maybe giving them their mind or forehead to this fellowship and if the government becomes their life; then it is like giving the right hand to this fellowship.
Christ Jesus wants his lambs to fellowship with him with their foreheads and right hands.
Revelation 7:3 adds to this interpretation.
It is possibly later than many think and chose to believe.