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  • Bro dan - In Reply on Revelation 7 - 4 years ago
    Brother Joshua,

    You may or may not be right. I realize I am not smart enough to predict the end time, or spend time on conspiracy theories. I rest easy in the Lord, and I confide all of my worries to him. God tells us:

    Matthew 24:36

    "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

    This verse is so very powerful:

    Zephaniah 2:3

    "Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger."

    God tells us above - that he may hide us in the day of the LORDS anger, that is the Meat and Drink that I focus on.

    Happy Sabbath Day!
  • Mishael - In Reply on Revelation 7 - 4 years ago
    I think the important point of Matthew 24, and Luke 21, is when we see these things happening at the same time; we are to be looking UP because our redemption is close.

    If you'll visit THE TWO PREACHERS on YouTube; they are missionaries who also collect disaster videos daily, from people in other countries. They Mail videos in to their website to publish.

    America is having our own disasters true, but combined with videos from other countries; you understand that the Last Days are advancing faster.

    Signs of the times. We should keep a daily eye on Jerusalem Post DOT com as well. The Book of Daniel is one to study now.

    Common folks know something is happening, but they may not be seeing it as happening world wide. As Jesus's followers we need to get this out to people on social media but not seeing the reality.

    Jesus is coming for those LOOKING FOR HIM.

    Keep a bookmark in the 10 VIRGINS PARABLE.

    Preach. Relate News. Tell Stories!

    Think like an evangelist please! We are shepherds. We lead sheep to the truth and reality. We carry lambs. We discern situations.

    Bossy and condescending are not good references. Tell me a Story of WHO The Good Shepherd is?

    Today I cleaned through everything to find every Bible Tract or pamphlet I have. I'm handing them out door to door at my senior complex. I gave a pamphlet and a parakeet to a new resident who's lonely, from California. Her kids moved her here. The parakeets name is John the Baptist.

    He's loud.

    Figure out what part you are in the Body of Christ. I'm feet carrying the Good News.
  • Free - In Reply on Revelation 7 - 4 years ago
    Dear Joshua Ofor on Revelation 7.

    Revelation 1: 8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

    One day in the future, we will see all things. Please dont read and mixed up things with this or that.

    God have the control of all thing. Belive in Him the only God and King Jesus Christ our savior. Love u in Christ
  • Vincent - In Reply on Revelation 7 - 4 years ago
    The end-time curses and plagues occur when anti-christ is in power, not before. The US Gov use media tricks that are planned propaganda to fool you. WMD? Chapter 9 cover 2 trumpets (5&6) and 2 armies (Babylon & beast) where the later smashes the former to dust. Matthew 24, Jesus describes the day of the Lord attack on the Lord's people, in the land of the Lord, Ezekiel 38.
  • Joshua Ofor on Revelation 7 - 4 years ago
    "What follows is a preparation for the seventh seal, which is the weightiest of all. It is connected with the sixth by the particle and; whereas what is added, verse 9, # Rev 6:9 stands free and unconnected|. I saw four angels - Probably evil ones. They have their employ with the four first trumpets, as have other evil angels with the three last; namely, the angel of the abyss, the four bound in the Euphrates, and Satan himself."

    Again , look in Revelations chapter 9. We find that the four angels had been reserved for a year , a month , a day, an hour TO SLAY A THIRD OF MANKIND. No doubt evil.

    I wonder whether they are the four major mrna vaccines firms : Pfizer, AstraZeneca , Johnson & Johnson , and Moderna? Hence the "scorpions" in chapter 9. Possibly syringes? Or vaccinations?

    Five billion people (and counting) who have been vaccinated. The scientists of faith tell us that they carry a legion of diseases. Some quick acting. But most slow acting but certain in their goal.

    In the time of Noah, ( Gen 6 ) we are told that the "sons of God" ( rebellious angels were cast out of Heaven ) and saw the "daughters of men" and married them. This cross fertilisation of non/human DNA destroyed the pure human gene pool. The Holy Spirit could not indwell in their offsprings as they were no longer human. But Noah was "Perfect" ( Tamiym ) . The interpretation given in the Old Testament lexicon: complete, whole, entire whole, sound, healthful complete, entire (of time) sound, wholesome, unimpaired, innocent, having integrity what is complete. It lends itself to a PHYSICAL perfection.

    Today, the four angels and their vaccines, if true , we are told, change the DNA of mankind.

    Christ told us in Matthew 24 :"As it was in the time of Noah, so shall it be in the time of the coming of the Son of man".

    It is also in that same passage that Christ says that He will send his angels to gather His "elect" from the four winds held by the four angels.
  • Chris - In Reply on John 17 - 4 years ago
    Hello Walter. You wrote: "if someone is first and last all they are stating the(y) are the only one." If Jesus has stated this (as in Revelation 1:8; Revelation 12:13), could He actually be identifying completely with the One God, from Whom He once proceeded from, as the Word of God given flesh? 'Alpha & Omega' is a very strong loaded phrase that can only be denoted to God, to which the risen Jesus Who sits at the right Hand of God, makes claim to ( Colossians 3:1; Hebrews 10:12; 1 Peter 3:22). If the 'only one God now is Jesus', what happened to the Father, Whom Jesus sits beside? Jesus not only prayed to His Father whilst He walked on Earth, but now reigns with Him ( Revelation 3:21; Revelation 7:10).
  • T. Levis - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 6 - 4 years ago
    Wait, wait. The unequally yoked rules originated with the Jews. Genesis 4:26, Genesis 6:2-6, Deuteronomy 7:1-29, 1 Kings 11:1-4, Malachi 2:15, Psalm 122:6, Genesis 12:1-3,

    John 8:31, Matthew 27:11, John 18:33, Revelation 7:5
  • Bill - In Reply on 1 Thessalonians 4:17 - 4 years ago
    Hello again my brother in Christ

    Appreciate your kind comments on my last post.

    To begin, my comment concerning the number of resurrections from death by Christ must have not been clear to you. I know of only 3 recorded resurrections performed by Christ: Lazarus, John 11:1-44; the widow's son, Luke 7:11-17; and Jairus's daughter, Luke 8:40-56 I then expressed my opinion there were most likely more that were not recorded. I see Christ as a compassionate savior, and personally, believe more miracles were performed than are recorded in today's Bible.

    My conviction the story of Lazarus the beggar is a parable is based on the Hebrew meaning of the name Lazarus meaning "God has helped". Christ was speaking to an audience of disciples originally and some Pharisees later joined the group, verse 14, and began to deride Christ. Christ then speaks to the Pharisees as to their violations of the Law and the parable of Lazarus.

    The parable of Lazarus serves a twofold purpose. First it serves to emphasize the responsibility of those more fortunate to aid the less fortunate. Second, it foretales the rejection of Christ by the Jews, even after the resurrection. The first purpose most likely fell on deaf ears as the Pharisees because of their self-righteousness. The second was not realized and accepted by even the remaining 11 disciples initially.

    Reference to the place of the spirit after death until the gathering of the church by Christ is referenced after the resurrection by Paul, in many places in scripture. Paul refers to the "holding place: as sleep.

    Now, where did the souls John sees in Revelation come from and at what point did they arrive in heaven. Revelation 3:10 is easily interperted as the rapture before tribulation. Revelation 7:9-17 surely is post-rapture by content.

    My point - the spirit of the vast majority of Christians do not enter heaven prior to the rapture. Enoch, perhaps. Elijiah definitely ( 2 Kings 2:11).

    Thank you, my brother in Christ
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Revelation 14 - 4 years ago
    Revelation 7:4-8 12x12=144 specificly of tribes of Israel, Revelation 14:4-5

    However Revelation 7:9-17 gives hope to all others

    Hope that's helpful.
  • My Best Answer - 4 years ago
    Revelation 7:1

    And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

    Philippians 2:10

    That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

    Isaiah 37:16

    O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou hast made heaven and earth.

    Genesis 2:4

    These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

    Psalms 19:1. The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

    John 1:3 - All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. Romans 1:20 - For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Ecclesiastes 3:11 - He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end. Genesis 2:1

    1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

    Comment by Mishael: I pray for angels to guard the 4 corners of my home. I have never had any demonic manifestations for 36 years. God gave us DOMINION; and Jesus gives us HIS AUTHORITY to to stop satanic activity immediately.

    I think Space dot com slash NASA has the best photos.
  • Messenger - In Reply on Revelation 7:9 - 4 years ago
    Hello Daniel nice to meet you:

    Sorry no tribe of Dan.

    These symbolic tribes made Mary and joseph available

    OR chosen to take care of the promise seed; Jesus Christ. Matthew 1; Revelation 7:4-8

    by means of these tribes 144,000 will be chosen from God himself (from earth 50ad-?) to share as Jesus helper in Jehovah's ( Psalm 83:18) coming Kingdom. Revelation 20

    However, the Dan tribe and many others also mentioned in Matthew 1 did not share in the baptism of holy spirit. ( Acts 1&2 Chapters). so therefore, they have a privilege of being

    resurrected back to earth in the

    coming kingdom. Revelation 21:3-5

    Psalm 37:9-11,29,34; Matthew 6:9,10
  • Daniel on Revelation 7:9 - 4 years ago
    Where is mention of the tribe of Dan being sealed ?
  • GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} - In Reply on Mark 1 - 4 years ago
    Glenn, thanks for your response: "If Jesus is coming here ,. An preparing for our Father to set up his kingdom, in Jerusalem, where is anyone being raptured to ? Where ya going ? I've heard of one rapture,.. but now 3 ? This is very confusing,.."

    Precious friend, actually the confusion disappears when the THREE raptures "are LEFT In God's Contexts, Where HE Placed Them!" Amen? ie:

    PRE-TOJT rapture:

    (1) Body Of CHRIST Departure TO Heaven (Read/study Romans - Philemon) = God's 'Context' is ALL 'Spiritual!' We are not "looking for the man of sin/signs to enter into The Time of Jacob's Trouble." ( 2 Corinthians 5:7); We are "looking, watching, and Patiently waiting For CHRIST, Who Will Present ALL of The Body Of CHRIST, holy and unblameable and unreproveable, In His Sight, TO His Father, In Heaven, Where we Will Live Forever And Ever! ( 1 Thessalonians 3:13; Colossians 1:5, 22; 1 Corinthians 6:3; 2 Corinthians 5:1-2) Amen?

    MID-TOJT raptures:

    (2) During The Time {God's 'Context'} of JACOB's {ISRAEL's} Trouble, there Will Be TWO "raptures":

    a) one departure is of the TWO witnesses, killed, resurrected, and taken up ( Revelation 11:1-12)

    b) the other departure is of the 144,000 "sealed virgins of TWELVE tribes ( Revelation 7:1-8) redeemed from the earth," and were "without fault before The Throne of God!" ( Revelation 14:1-5)

    Please refrain from listening to those who "MIX these up" in confusion. And:

    Please Be RichlyEncouraged, Enlightened,Exhorted, and Edified In JESUS CHRIST!

    ( 2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship, today?)
  • Jason - In Reply - 4 years ago
    The 5th seal saints are the fellowservants of the one hundred forty four thousand sealed saints, also dressed in white robes. The 2 witnesses die in the same manner as their 5th seal fellowservants, and are taken up to heaven ( Revelation 7:9).

    ( Revelation 6:9-11) And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

    10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

    11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
  • Jason - In Reply - 4 years ago
    The witnesses are the one hundred and forty four thousand sealed from death for 42 months. They are showcased in 7 different chapters of Revelation, in different capacities, allegories and metaphors. Like their appearance in Chapter 12; only the witnesses, (the 12 tribes) are sealed and protected for 42 months.

    When the witness are called up to heaven ( Revelation 11:12) and they appear in heaven as the one hundred forty four thousand ( Revelation 7:13-14) after being sealed 42 months prior ( Revelation 7:1-8) They come out of the great tribulation!!!

    ( Revelation 11:4) These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. These 2 olive trees and 2 candlesticks are both houses of Israel, 2 nations, before God.

    There is no separation between the witnesses and the sealed tribes, they are one in the same.
  • Carleton - In Reply - 4 years ago
    Christian Greetings! There are other interpretations to consider thinking of the mark.

    Here is one: A government that persecutes or suppresses the children of God may fall into the area of a beast government. This can be true even while the government performs services of law and order under God's will.

    A person that joins themselves to a spirit of suppression or persecution by using the government as force, they maybe giving them their mind or forehead to this fellowship and if the government becomes their life; then it is like giving the right hand to this fellowship.

    Christ Jesus wants his lambs to fellowship with him with their foreheads and right hands.

    Revelation 7:3 adds to this interpretation.

    It is possibly later than many think and chose to believe.
  • How to get started as a precious child of God - In Reply on Revelation 7 - 4 years ago
    Romans 10:17

    So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

    Galatians 3:2

    This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

    The more Bible you can get inside of you, the stronger you will be in your faith. Read John 3, ask to receive the Holy Spirit. Ask HIM to teach you what the scriptures mean. Ask for what you need.

    There are things you can do also, it depends on your persistence to pursue everything the Holy Spirit has for you.

    Personally I gorge myself on Bible Reading every day almost. When I wash dishes I listen to FM RADIO, Christian radio teaching ministers; sometimes on AM radio too. I like Paul Shepherd and Greg Laurie.

    Sometimes when the news is shocking, I listen on YouTube to King James Bible: Faith verses, healing verses, spiritual warfare Bible verses.

    Sometimes I may listen to some Isaac Air Freight to enjoy some comedy from a Biblical perspective. The more you get inside of you, the quicker you will grow up. We're to be sober minded for sure, heavenly minded, but able to not lose our sense of humor.

    Sometimes talking to our friends and family is less frightening if we have a balance of everything in our "quiver". A quiver is the sling we wear with our arrows in it. God uses arrows guided by the Holy Spirit. They change us on the inside first, and then the Lord uses us to be witnesses. He leads; we follow Him.

    Mishael
  • Taffany on Revelation 7 - 4 years ago
    How can i keep my faith strong
  • Pamela Adams on Revelation 7 - 4 years ago
    no not really God is just so awesome.
  • Brian R. on Revelation 21 - 4 years ago
    ( Revelation 7:14-15) The first resurrection:

    14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

    15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

    ( Revelation 21:3-7) The second resurrection:

    1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

    2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

    3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of Godiswith men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them,and betheir God.

    4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

    5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

    6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

    7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

    "One of Us" comes full circle:

    Genesis1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness...

    Genesis 3:22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us...
  • Johnathan Taylor - In Reply on Revelation 5 - 4 years ago
    S Spencer,

    I have not heard back from you about who the people of many tongues are? I was expecting you to clear this up since you're familiar with it, and willing to talk about what scripture says.

    I want to add scripture that solidifies my belief. Please compare these 2 similar scriptures, one of which you used below, and note how spot on they are to ID the 144k:

    ( Revelation 5:9:11). You said "It directly says they're out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;"

    And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

    &

    ( Revelation 7:8-9) 8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

    9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

    These are the 144k going from being sealed, to being in heaven. They are the fellowservants of the Revelation 6 fifth seal saints who were told to rest for a little season, and given white robes. The 144k are wearing white robes. It is safe to say that the group in Revelation 5 is the same group that's spread throughout the narrative.

    Let me know if this make sense to you, who they are.
  • Johnathan Taylor - In Reply - 4 years ago
    S Spencer,

    "The group in Revelation is not reigning on the earth"

    I said "alluding" because it's not so obvious who they are, but it is obvious from what they do. Yeah, I know they're in heaven, and will reign on earth. Read it again.

    "And they're not the 144 thousand seen in Revelation Ch. 7 and 14. In Revelation 7 and 14 they're 12000 out of every tribe of Israel."

    How many times do you want God to tell you who they are, and in how many ways? There's something called a rough number. If you can't see the likeness between those 2 figures, math is not your calling.

    "In Revelation 5:9:11. It directly says they're out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;"

    Seriously? That is them!!! Israel was scattered all over the earth, Israel's seed is everywhere, and from those nations and tongues are where the 144K are gathered from. THEY LOST THEIR IDENTITY, THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHO THEY ARE be it Dan, Ruben, or Gad. They're sealed out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation, that's who Israel has become. Israel represents EVERYONE.

    "I believe this is the Church that has been raptured up."

    Did you add that number up? It comes out to roughly 144k. depending on what thousands of thousands is, That amount of people would only cover a medium city. What would you do in the first resurrection anyways. ( Revelation 7:15) witnesses have taken up all the jobs. I thought like you because someone told me about a rapture, so I studied up. What speculation I have is backed up by scripture, you'll always have doubt. Be thankful for ( Ezekiel 37:1-14).
  • Johnathan Taylor - In Reply - 4 years ago
    S Spencer,

    I don't see evidence supporting anyone other than the 144k firstfruits being of the first resurrection. The group in Revelation 5 that live as kings and priests, are the 144k. What the 144k do for a thousand years is symbolic ( Revelation 7:15) Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. The 144k are the church, they are the bride. They are Christ-like. They are the only group officially sealed. Revelation is peppered with them in 7 chapters, illustrated in allegory or metaphor to subtly let you know something is afoot.

    I found a scripture that would bolster your belief ( Isaiah 13:15). It's for pre-tribbers, but don't tell them.

    ( 1 Thessalonians 4:17) Everything hinges on this description, then weighing out the billions of people who will attend. It could be that Paul, who's part of the elect 24, was describing his fellow saints rising. I understand your position, better to be a seventh trumpet riser, than the others. What other scripture supports your doctrine? I will spend some time researching this and other scriptures that lend clarity.

    In summary, it all depends on how you interpret scripture, or if you're strongly committed to an ideology to alter. I have looked in the web at what others think about prophesy, scholars, and my interpretations all all to myself. I want God to grade my Bible IQ when we're face to face (2nd resurrection).
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Revelation 5 - 4 years ago
    Johnathan.

    The group in Revelation is not reigning on the earth. They're in heaven in the midst around the Throne! Revelation 5:6. And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

    And they're not the 144 thousand seen in Revelation Ch. 7 and 14. In Revelation 7 and 14 they're 12000 out of every tribe of Israel.

    Revelation 7:4. And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

    In Revelation 5:9:11. It directly says they're out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

    And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

    And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

    And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;

    I believe this is the Church that has been raptured up.

    God bless.
  • Carlton Banks - 4 years ago
    Dianne,

    Look at this piece of the mystery, then tell me about it.

    Revelation 7 begins with the 144K being sealed for 42 months (vs 4), immediately after this (vs 9) 42 months have passed, and the 144k are in heaven (vs 14). These 144k are the only firstfruits ever spoken of. Their purpose is far greater than what they are given credit for simply because they are concealed in allegory.

    ( Revelation 7:4) And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

    vs 9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with WHITE ROBES, and palms in their hands;

    vs 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

    Two witnesses are the 144k in heaven ( Revelation 11:12) ( 1 Thessalonians 4:17) ( Revelation 14:1-4)

    There's more to reveal between the 144K and the fifth seal saints:

    ( Revelation 6:9-11) And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

    10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

    11 And WHITE ROBES were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

    A little season = fifth seal-seventh trumpet

    ( Revelation 7:13) And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in WHITE ROBES? and whence came they? (fellowservants)

    144k = ( Revelation 7:15)
  • D W L on Revelation 7:9 - 4 years ago
    Revelation 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, (Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.)

    There are some things that no one knows or will know until that great day.
  • Richard Estrada - In Reply - 4 years ago
    OSEAS,

    You didn't answer my questions. You said I was "wrong" about the 2 witnesses, but not why. You had to Google it, I recognized the script you copied. Therefore, I will answer the questions for you:

    The 144K are the church, they are Christ's bride. The 2 witnesses, the two candlesticks & two olive trees, the woman from Revelation 12, are all symbolism, metaphors, and allegory describing the 144K. The 2 witnesses and the 144K have the same mission, within the same time frame. You still can't make the connection?

    ( Psalms 52:8) But I am like a green olive tree in the house of God: I trust in the mercy of God for ever and ever.

    A single nation was an olive tree. A nation divided became two olive trees, two houses, two witnesses.

    Below are 5 scripture depictions of the 144K on route to or in heaven. After being called up to heaven, the firstfruits are gathered for their judgment. The 144K "witnesses" are judged and resurrected in the twinkling of an eye. Look how the Rev 7 & Rev 11 stories parallel each other.

    ( Revelation 11:12) And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

    ( Revelation 7:9) After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;



    ( Revelation 7:14)...These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

    Revelation 14:1-4

    Revelation 20:4

    Can it get any clearer? The 2 witnesses die, and no sooner do they appear in heaven as the coveted 144K. I have no idea where you stand, but, If you're going to dismiss my interpretation, the burden is on you to back it up with facts. Can you post your own ideas about the 2 witnesses for me to review?
  • OSEAS - In Reply - 4 years ago
    Greetings, Robert Necomb

    No, Robert, the 144K are not the two witnesses, absolutely, and they will not "be killed in the

    great tribulation", as you said. The 144K will be sealed in their foreheads as the servants of

    our God from now on- Revelation 7:v.1-4. These are the remnant of Israel that will be saved

    -Is.10:v.20-22. These will be redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and

    to the Lamb, for they are without fault before the throne of God.

    You quoted Jeremiah 11:v.16 that refers to "A green olive tree"

    and discerned not in the same verse that its branches were broken. Why? Verse 17 explains

    the why: -The Lord of hosts, that planted thee, pronounced evil against thee, for the evil of

    the house of Israel and of the house of Judah, which they have done against themselves to

    provoke me to anger in offering incense unto Baal.

    You quoted Zachariah 4:11- Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive

    trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?

    Didn't you see? In the time of Zechariah there was only and only one candlestick, and two olive

    trees, (one candlestick has nothing to do with Israel and Judah, now in the current time there

    are two candlesticks, and refers to two aproved Churches of the Lord-one Gentile and one Jewish,

    and the two OLIVE TREES are a source of Oil for the two candlesticks standing before the God of

    the earth. Revelation 11:v.4.

    We can say the two Olive Trees gave rise to the Old Testament-the Torah-and to the New Testament.

    The Bible is a product originating from two Olive Trees written in two parts, in two different periods,

    God uses the OLD and NEW TESTAMENTS as His powerful witnesses within the two candlesticks.

    Remember: The WORD is GOD. Yeah, the Word is GOD.
  • Robert Necomb - In Reply - 4 years ago
    OSEAS,

    Let's use the Bible to define who the witnesses are by association. Their mission is to record antichrists exploits; Jesus said 2 are needed to bare witness. These 2 are the sealed 12 tribes from Israel and Judah. The witnesses are in Revelation 5, 7, 11, 12, 14 & more.

    Who are the candlesticks and olive trees?

    ( Jeremiah 11:16)

    The LORD called thy name, A green olive tree, fair, and of goodly fruit: with the noise of a great tumult he hath kindled fire upon it, and the branches of it are broken.

    (Zachariah 4:11-14)

    11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?

    14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.

    The OT saints were given white robes and told to wait a "little season" (5th seal through 7th trumpet) when their fellowservants (144K) are killed in the great tribulation.

    ( Revelation 6:9-11)

    9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

    10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

    11 And WHITE ROBES were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their FELLOWSERVANTS also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

    ( Revelation 7:13-14)

    13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in WHITE ROBES? and whence came they?

    14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

    The 144K sealed are the two witnesses from each house.
  • Richard in Christ - In Reply - 4 years ago
    Hi Cheryl,

    As I'm not here to say who is going to Heaven and who isn't. Just to put my view to your question with a couple verses. First off there are no surprises with God and He knows exactly who is going to spend eternity with Him. As in Ephesians 1:4-6.

    I believe us in the Lord who are His and worthy to be with Him for eternity go to be with Him when our physical body dies. A couple verses: 2 Corinthians 5:1-10, Philippians 1:21-23.

    As it is written there are two resurrections. Here in Revelation 7:9-17 are all types of people in Heaven around the throne of God and Christ. Also Revelation 20:4-6 which speaks of those who are worthy of the first resurrection who live and reign with Christ and shall not see the second death. This is before the great judgement which is the end of the chapter.

    As also that confirms that not all shall go to be with Christ right after our physical death. Only those worthy of the first resurrection and the rest of the dead lived not until the second resurrection before the great judgement.

    God Bless.


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