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Revelation 22:6 ...sent his angel to shew unto his servants the THINGS which must be SHORTLY DONE.
Revelation 22:10 ....for the time is at hand.
NO ONE could be BORN AGAIN until the seventh seal was opened.
Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, an lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood.
This fulfils the prophecy in:
Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, BEFORE the terrible and great day of the Lord come.
The DAY OF THE LORD came when John the baptist began preaching the kingdom of God.
Matthew 27:54 Now when the centurion, and those that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the EARTHQUAKE and those things which were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.
Matthew 27:47 Now from the sixth hour there was DARKNESS over the land until the ninth hour.
John 19:34 ...and forthwith came there BLOOD and water.
Jesus was crucified when the sixth seal was opened.
Revelation 8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was SILENCE in heaven about the space of half an hour.
This fulfils the prophecy in:
Daniel 12:11 And from the time the daily sacrifice shall be take away, and the abomination that makes desolate set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred ninety days.
Forty two months, three and a half years, time and times and a half. Jesus ministry in the flesh, ending in his death and resurrection. Then silence until forty five days latter and PENTECOST.
Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the one thousand three hundred thirty days.
At Pentecost THE MYSTERY was revealed, the seal on Daniel's prophecy was opened: CHRIST IN YOU
became possible.
You could be right, but Jesus said this of the end-times:
( Matthew 24:34)
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors (day of the Lord).
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
( Revelation 8:13)
13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!
The last 3 trumpets happen close to each other for a reason, and are separated from the 1st 4 trumpets. It is more feasible to count the tribulation and great tribulation (3.5 years) equal to a 40 year generation that will not pass till these things are accomplished.
God bless
what is happeing about this half hour silence...in heaven not on earth
Revelation 8:1
King James Version
8 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.
You cannot measure time where time does not exist. What makes eternity eternal is that the process of aging no longer exists. Time passes, aging does not increase.
2) What about 2 Peter 3:8?
2 Peter 3:8
King James Version
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
The key phrase here is with the Lord. This is a time comparison between how time passes here, and how time passes in Heaven. If you turn this into a equation aka fraction. It would look like this: 1 day/1 thousand years. To make this easier to understand we need to make this a year to year comparison. So to make a day one year we would have to times it times 365. To keep the value of the fraction we also must times 1,000 years times 365. And this is what we get: 1 year/365.000 years. So when 1 years passes here, 365,000 years pass in Heaven.
What does that mean? Heaven is 365,000 times faster than we are. What does this answer?
a) Why we cannot see God or the angels. Because how do you see something 365,000 times faster then you?
b) How God can know all see all. At that speed He can see everything.
c) How the angels can be there in the nick of time to save you. etc...
3) So why is it that some things date old and young? God aged things 2 different ways:
a) By the passage of time.
b) By His word aka no passage of time required.
2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old,
So in other words, God can speak age into His creation when He creates it. All life was created with age already added as to the reason they were told to go forth and multiply.... Running out of room, so I address dinosaurs next reply.
Revelation 14
Revelation 15
Revelation 16
This is the work of CHRIST DEATH on the cross and the work of HIS RESURRECTION and the battle ( Revelation 16:14) we are caused to fight to come to this TRUTH IN CHRIST. Being fulfilled for the last 2000 years as the Fathers draws us to CHRIST and CHRIST gives us HIS UNDERSTANDING to overcome. ASK HIM he will cause you to understand; but it HIS time frame. We have been in the day of the Lord now for 2000 years. He is harvesting HIS FRUITS as they become first ripe (firstfruits) ( Revelation 14:14-20) ( Matthew 20:1-16)
When the sixth seal was opened ( Revelation 6:12) Christ was crucified; prophecy of ( Joel 2:31). The old testament saints and the children of the resurrection were raised with him ( Isaiah 26:19),( Revelation 20:5-6) and ( Matthew 27:52-53). The old testament saints were sealed with the Holy Spirit and the body of Christ ( 1 Timothy 6:16)( Revelation 7:3-8). There was silence in heaven for one half hour ( Revelation 8:1) between the sixth and seventh seal. This is the 45 days between Christ resurrection and pentecost ( Daniel 12:11-12) 1335 days minus 1290 days. No one could enter into the temple (into Christ) until the seven plagues were pour out on Christ (he took God's wrath for us). now we can be ONE IN CHRIST ( Revelation 15:6-8). The four living creatures before the throne ( Revelation 4:6-8) is all creation. God made a covenant with Noah that they would never be destroyed again ( Genesis 9:9-12) man, cattle, beast and fowl. ( Ezekiel 1:10) ( Revelation 4:7). ALL CREATION will worship God. The lake of fire is how Christ cleanses and purifies us.
Hebrews 12:29
Luke 12:49-50
Matthew 3:11-12
Isaiah 9:5
Isaiah 4:3-4
Malachai 3:2-3
Ezekiel 20:46-49
1 Corinthians 3:15
no part of revelation is going to occur in the physical sense.
revelation is spiritual warfare for the kingdom of heaven.
revelation is completely symbolic.
isaiah 9:5 now every (natural) battle of the warrior is with confused noise, and garments rolled in blood; but this (spiritual battle) shall be with burning and fuel of fire.
isaiah 9:19 ....and the people shall be as the fuel of the fire....
isaiah 4:4 when the lord (a consuming fire hebrews 12:29) shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of (new) zion, and shall have purged the blood of (new) jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgement and the spirit of burning.
luke 12:49 i am come to send fire on the earth; and what be i (the fire), if it (the fire) be kindled already?
matthew 4:11 ....he shall baptize you with the holy spirit and with fire;
isaiah 9:18 for wickedness burneth as the fire (our god is a consuming fire).....
isaiah 10:16 .... and under his glory (us) he shall kindle a burning like the burning of a fire.
isaiah 24:15 wherefore glorify ye the lord in the fires ....
isaiah 31:9 ....whose fire is in (new) zion, and his furnace in (new) jerusalem.
isaiah 33:14 .....who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burning?
where the fire is never quenched (our god is a consuming fire)
isaiah 42:25 therefore he hath poured upon him the fury of his anger, and the strength of battle; and it (the battle) hath set him on fire round about, yet he knew not; and it (the battle) burned him, and he laid it not to heart.
ezekiel 5:2 thou shall burn with fire a third part in the midst of the (new jerusalem, christ in you).....
zachariah 13:9 and i will bring the third part through the fire ....
revelation 8:1-13
revelation 9:18 by these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire...brimstone...smoke....
hebrews 9:27
1 peter 4:17
The angel is declaring these woeful warnings because of the pending doom that the other angels have yet to announce.
13And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!
Did the angel flying say all from woe to sound.
Where have you read "angels don't have wings" in the Holy Bible?
As is Revelation 8:13, and Revelation 14:6, an angel was beheld "flying through the midst of Heaven". As far as we know something needs wings to fly. I believe God can make angels however He wants.
As I know angels can be perceived as mere humans. So maybe saying not "all" angels have wings would be more accurate. As I would not go as far as to say "angels don't have wings" as neither you nor I could say we truly have a factual answer for that.
God Bless.
John 6:63 ....... the words that I ( 1 Peter 1:11,the Spirit of Christ or 1 Peter 1:21,the Holy Ghost or 2 Samuel 23:1-2, the Spirit of the Lord or Revelation 19:10,the words of Jesus) speak unto you, they (words) are spirit, and they (words) are life.
The day of the Lord is prophecy about a spiritual day; but, a day in spiritual time is not necessarily a day in natural time ( 2 Peter 3:8).
Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterwards (after the day of the Lord), that I (Spirit) will will pour my spirit upon all flesh......
Since the Spirit (Holy Ghost) was poured out on all mankind at pentecost; therefore, the day of the Lord begin at pentecost and is continuing to this day 2000 years later in natural time; but, only one day in spiritual time.
Second witness:
Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon (symbolic of Christ)..... Psalm 89:35-36 And it (the throne of Christ, from the proceeding verse) shall be established forever as the moon, and as a FAITHFUL WITNESS in heaven...... Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the FAITHFUL WITNESS.......into blood before the terrible (wonderful) day of the Lord (pentecost) come.
Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he (the Lamb) had opened the sixth seal, and lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth hair, and the moon (symbolic of Christ) became as blood.....
Matthew 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.
Matthew 27:51 ........and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent.
John 19:34 ...and forthwith came there blood and water.
Revelation 8:1 And when he (the Lamb) had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half hour (spiritual time not natural time)
This time was the time between Christ resurrection and the day of the Lord (pentecost)
Daniel 12:11-12 45 days between vs 11 and 12
The Parable of the 10 virgins in the Gospels, Jesus is showing us to be ready every day, to go with Him. The "Oil" is the joy of the Holy Spirit who readies us for the Rapture.
We must be born again from above to be in tune to the signs. JOHN 3. It's just like with car insurance: there is basic liability that will NOT get your car replaced in a crash. Christians must have the full package. We're ready for everything the moment it happens. RIGHT NOW, get those you love ready to go with Jesus.
I believe with this pandemic, the powers above our government, are finding out how to keep people corralled. Shut up in homes; afraid to go to church; teach kids at home; etc.
If Biden is elected...I can only say expect our tax pain threshold to increase by leaps.
Our future is in New Jerusalem. It is not of this world! God is going to scrap this and restore earth to its 1st day condition.
2nd Peter Chapter 3 is not a fairytale. Like a star named Wormwood is on course for earth now. Revelation 8:11
NASA is tracking it but of course Network news fails to report it.
"They're already taking cash and coins and are lying about a shortage. RFID CHIPS will take the place of money; legal tender. They will make it so aggravating that people will take a Mark on the FACE or HAND. Flu shots are not RFID. See YouTube; people getting RFID's implanted in their HANDS.
I'm not on Facebook, so put it out there if you want to.
First there is to be a FALLING AWAY. With all the Churches closed by Congress, it's not a hard leap to realize the wandering away of millions of lukewarm Christians. Revelation 3:16, 20.
Get into the New Testament and KNOW what is coming at us next. Help at least 2 people to trust Jesus, be born again spiritually.
The Holy Spirit resides in all who have come to faith in Jesus Christ ( John 14:17) & also convicts men of sin, of righteousness & (coming) judgement. ( John 16:7-11). So the Spirit is still working in the World until the appointed time when He is taken away (some argue as to when that time will be). The Son has now returned to the Father (back into the God folder), but He is distinct in that He is now God in the flesh, not as only the Word, but as the Son who has performed all that was required of Him on Earth & now at the Father's right Hand in Heaven ( Hebrews 7:25). In the human mind this is a difficult concept to grasp & that is why you are having difficulties. If you want to understand God in a human perspective, it won't work because we don't have anything on this Earth that can adequately compare to Him & our minds don't work in any other way. But do we say then that because we don't believe that such a Trinity can exist, therefore it's impossible for God to be such? I think then, that it's us who have the problem in understanding the Character of God & not the Doctrine.
Yes, illustrating the Trinity to man's trinitarian composition, is 'problematic': no illustration can adequately do the job, but I felt compelled to use it to try & help you understand, but that didn't work. And lastly, God is Spirit ( John 4:24), the Word was part of that Spirit, & the Holy Spirit was sent out into the World. So we only knew & heard God as Spirit in the OT. After Jesus ascended into Heaven, we see the (visible) God in Jesus, but we also know that God is still there ( Revelation 8:2 & about 3,000 other verses to prove it). God hasn't disappeared & Jesus has not taken His place. So please look into this & see where your theology has become skewed or maybe you are under some false teaching. May the Lord give you light on this very important matter.
Great insight RC...
MY THOUGHTS .... 1/Mathematically: using this measure half an hour would approximate 20.8 years but more likely a last period to reflect and "Choose Ye this day who ye follow".
2/ Therefore: Could the recent lockdowns be part of this quiet time where sides are being galvanised and lines drawn. Where believers are finally taking time to study the word and those seeing the signs of the times are Searching and finding The Word. May all find the truth that For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life., That Jesus led a blameless life, was handed over to his enemies, was scourged and nailed to the cross, to die for our sins that we may be washed in His Blood, and be buried for 3 days and 3 nights as stated in the scriptures. To rise again and to ascend into heaven and sit at the right side of The Father. . God Bless You all. The time approaches, Look up and keep your eye on Jesus called Yeshua(salvation) in Hebrew.
Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. GOD WITH US.
Genesis 1:26 - And God said, Let US make man in our image, after OUR likeness
Genesis 1:27 - So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Genesis 9:6 - Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
So IF one man is Body, Soul and Spirit which is 3 parts and God made man in HIS IMAGE
How many parts is God? 3? a Godhead? or trinity?
1 Thessalonians 5:23 - And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. (Paul says spirit and soul and body)
Isaiah 10:18 - And shall consume the glory of his forest, and of his fruitful field, both soul and body: and they shall be as when a standardbearer fainteth. (Body and Soul different)
Matthew 10:28 - Jesus said: And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. ..........destroy both soul and body in hell.
Isaiah 26:9 - With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness. (Soul and Spirit are different)
Hebrews 4:12 - For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, ....
Again, well presented.
The words of Matthew 13:36-43, Matthew 24:40-41, and Luke 17:34-35 reveal that the people TAKEN FIRST are taken by Satan.
Many understand this in the complete opposite way.
Concerning Jesus and God being two separate entities.
Very well explained.
God and Jesus are NOT the same entity.
John 10:30
"I and My Father are One"
The word "One" is the Greek word "hen" and is given in the neutral form of speech. This means that they are one in "essence" not one person, which would be in the masculine form of speech, and would use the Greek word "heis."
If the words of John 10:30 are to be taken literally, what do people that believe this do with John 10:29 (as well as ALL other verses, including the ones you mention)?
"My Father,which gave them Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of My Father's hand."
I suppose this means "I, which gave them Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of My hand."
And John 10:30 would have to read; "I and Myself are One."
Seems like a lot of explaining has to be done here for these statements to make sense if God is Jesus and Jesus is God.
And please don't try and say that Jesus is God in flesh. Again, the understanding of figures of speech must be taken account for.
I would not want to be in the unenviable position of trying to uphold a position as truth while I am denying proper grammar and plain Scripture that is using OBVIOUS figures of speech.
Not a page of the word of God can be turned without the use of Figures of Speech."
Figures of speech are a LEGAL part of English grammar that follow rules, not something that is arbitrarily used by the reader whenever he or she feels the urge.
Taking literal what God states as figurative and taking figurative what God is states is literal is a fundamental reason why people misunderstand the word of God.
There are many verses that prove Jesus is God. John 1:1 states that Jesus is God. In Hebrews 1:8, Jesus is called God. Jesus Himself claimed to be God. Jesus also said before Abraham was, "I am," the name God used. Jesus also said I and my Father are ONE. Jesus said "if you have seen me, you have seen the Father. I agree that there is only one God, but that one God consists of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, all three being God.
The Godhead is Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
Here are verses showing the Godhead speaking amongst themselves.
Different ministries, functions, but all three United in purpose. The LET US. From Genesis to the New Testament.
Genesis 1:26
Genesis 3:22
Genesis 11:7
1 John 5:7
John 10:30
Acts 17:27-30
Your understanding of scriptures represents you very well.
Mishael
Folks need to know some facts. We are living in the end times. Many people have been misled and need to know some facts. Do some research and learn the truth before it's too late. The Father and the Son are not one.
1) God is the Father. Jesus is the Son.
How can we be sure? Scripture proves it many times over.
There is One God, Deut 4:35, Isa 43:10, 44:6, 45:5-6, 18, 22
There is One Mediator between God
and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Ti 2:5, Ac 2:22
Jesus was "MADE" of a Woman, Ga 4:4 whom God said:
"and he shall be to me a Son" Heb 1:5
God Was "MANIFEST" (revealed)
"In The Flesh" (the life of Jesus), 1 Ti 3:16
Understand that God was "IN" Chr
Furthermore, the teaching of Jesus confirms this thesis. In the Parable of the Weeds the Son of Man sends his angels to gather out the children of the devil and throw them in the fiery furnace whereas the wheat is left behind ( Matt 13:36-43).
The context of Matt 24 and Luke 17 also suggests Jesus is intentionally using judgment and remnant language. Such language naturally brings up images of the former destruction of Jerusalem where the enemy came and "took away" (i.e., killed) those in the city.
Finally, the parallel with Noah and the flood in the preceding verses strongly confirms our thesis. Just as in the days of Noah the people were taken away by the great flood, so those who are not prepared will be taken away when the Son of Man returns.
In Genesis, for example, God created the stars. These are the astronomical bodies we observe at night. However, sometimes things said in the Bible have a double meaning. A star can represent an actual star, while at the same time, there is an underlying allusion to Angels, people in positions of leadership or authority.
In Revelation 12:4, we see a reference to Angels, while in 12:1 the stars represent something else. Some commentators agree that 12:1 is a symbolic reference to the 12 Apostles. Here we have a reference to Christ and the devil. Genesis tells us, in keeping with this passage, that Satan and his angels were cast to earth. Daniel 8 is also supportive of this interpretation.
In Revelation 8:10-12 we see how stars may take on other meanings. Is the star an angel, a meteor, an earthly leader or what some might call an environmental catastrophe, the result of pollution and adverse weather conditions?
Keep in mind, while reading Revelation, that what is written is not outlined in chronological sequence. There is a back and forth in time, that may make understanding particularly difficult. So, what Revelation 8 or 12 or other Chapters reveal, are not necessarily sequential events. The same is true for the rest of the book.
But if you notice, in the 6th Seal, in Chapter 6:13, the stars are cast down. And everyone is afraid and all hide. The symbolism of the stars here, while many mistake them for literal stars, is about governments, powers, authorities and war.
In the 7th Seal, the Trumpets are introduced. This Seal signifies the last days of the Great Tribulation of Matthew 24. The Trumpets sound at the very last hour of the Tribulation. Then the Bowls of the Wrath of God are found in the last Trumpet.