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  • Converted by the Second Witness on Revelation 11 - 14 years ago
    Please read and understand the mystery of the Two Witnesses as the time is short. The two witnesses in the latter-days (our days) are typified by many characters in Old Testament scripture which are summarized in the book of Revelation:

    Malachi 4:5: Behold, I will send you ELIJAH {first latter-day messenger} the prophet before the coming of the GREAT {awesome} and DREADFUL DAY {comet’s impact see Daniel 2: 34; Revelation 8:10, 11; 9: 1} of the LORD:

    In the past type, Elijah was the first witness of his generation until the manifestation of Elisha, the second witness. Elisha asked and received a double portion of Elijah’s spirit in 2 Kings 2:9.

    2 Kings 2:9 …Ask what I {Elijah} shall do for THEE {Elisha}, before I be taken away from thee. And ELISHA {typifying the Second Witness} said, I pray thee, let a DOUBLE PORTION of thy spirit be upon me.

    Since Elisha received a double portion of Elijah’s spirit, it reveals how the latter-day second witness fulfills his ministry, according to the scroll of life’s first side, as well as the prophecies that latter-day Elijah should have fulfilled. This is the reason Elisha received Elijah’s mantle, as recorded in 2 Kings 2:13.

    2 Kings 2:13 He {Elisha} took up also the mantle of Elijah that fell from him….

    {Latter-day Elisha) grew out of latter-day Elijah’s church. This parallels the past type, when Solomon was as a tree’s branch that came out of the loins (rod/trunk of a tree) of David to be king in Israel (see Isaiah 11:1).

    Isaiah 11:1: And there SHALL {latter-day prophecy} come forth a ROD {latter-day David} out of the stem of JESSE {typified by the father of old David}, and a BRANCH {latter-day Solomon} shall grow out of HIS {latter-day David’s/rod’s} roots:

    The prophetic statement in Isaiah 11:1 is also confirmed in Revelation 5:5.

    Revelation 5:5: And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the LION {originally referred to latter-day King David but is actually fulfilled by latter-day King Solomon} of the tribe of {spiritual} JUDA {typifying the U.S.A.}, the ROOT {loins} of {latter-day} DAVID, hath prevailed to open the BOOK {scroll of life}, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

    In the past type, God – personifying a scroll’s record of that generation – sent the Assyrian (see Isaiah 10:5, 6) against the hypocritical nation of Israel’s ten tribes. After the Assyrian had taken the ten tribes of Israel’s northern kingdom into captivity, the Egyptians then overthrew the Assyrian empire. This spared the kingdom of Judah and Jerusalem in the south of Palestine from the same fate that befell the ten tribes, who were deported from the north of Palestine. However, God warned the kingdom of Judah in Palestine not to rejoice over the fall of Assyria, because the Babylonian will be coming to rule over Palestine, as illustrated in Isaiah 14:29.

    Isaiah 14:29 Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of HIM {the Assyrian who typifies latter-day Elijah} that smote THEE {land of old Israel/Palestine, which typifies latter-day Christendom/latter-day spiritual Israel} is BROKEN {by old Egypt, which typifies the latter-day fifth reigning kingdom}: for out of the SERPENT’S ROOT {the Assyrian who typifies latter-day David} shall come forth a COCKATRICE {representing Nebuchadnezzar’s Babylon, which typifies latter-day Solomon’s/Chosen Vessel’s ministry}, and his FRUIT {representing Nebuchadnezzar’s armies, which typify the believers of this new doctrine and then the great multitude} shall be a FIERY FLYING SERPENT {personifying coals of fire that follow the comet/cockatrice}.

    The city of Nebuchadnezzar’s Babylon did not exist until the Assyrians built it, as stated in Isaiah 23:13.

    Isaiah 23:13: Behold the land of the CHALDEANS {Babylonians}; this people was not, till the ASSYRIAN {serpent’s root} founded IT {cockatrice/old Babylon} for them that dwell in the wilderness: THEY {Assyrians} set up the towers thereof, they raised up the palaces thereof; and he {Assyrian} brought it to ruin (before the people who became the Babylonians rebuilt it).

    As the Babylonian came out of the Assyrian and Solomon came out of David, so the Chosen Vessel (latter-day Solomon) came out of latter-day David’s church in Waco, Texas. This is likened to Yahshua being baptized in John the Baptist’s ministry. The Chosen Vessel is the branch that came forth from the rod (Latter-day David). Just as Solomon built the temple instead of David, so the branch (second witness/latter-day Zerubbabel/Solomon) will build the spiritual temple before the comet hits the land (see Zechariah 6:12).

    Zechariah 6:12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the MAN {latter-day Solomon} whose name is The BRANCH {that bears fruit, see Ezekiel 7:10}; and HE {Chosen Vessel} shall GROW UP {from the rod/latter-day David} out of his place, and he shall build the temple {as Moses, Solomon, and Darius built the temple} of the LORD {Hayah Havah}:

    Latter-day Elijah gathered followers, a number of whom now believe latter-day Elisha’s doctrine. Also, before latter-day Elijah was killed on April 19, 1993, God caused the scenario to take place at Mount Carmel in Waco, Texas, so latter-day
    Elisha’s ministry would be easier to promote. Accordingly, the ministry of latter-day Elijah has prepared the way for latter-day Elisha, as prophesied in Isaiah 40:3.

    Isaiah 40:3 The voice of HIM {latter-day Elijah} that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare YE {referring to the tribes of Christendom} the way of the LORD {Hayah Havah manifesting as the Chosen Vessel}, make straight in the desert a highway for our God (manifesting as latter-day Moses).

    The first messenger (Elijah-type) in our day is also typified by the prophecy that seemed to refer to the new king, Eliakim, in Isaiah 22:22.

    Isaiah 22:22 And the KEY {to the kingdom} of the house of David will I lay upon HIS {Eliakim’s/Cyrus’} shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.

    This prophecy concerning Eliakim is referring to the same Cyrus who is mentioned in Isaiah 44:28. Since King Cyrus’ decree failed to rebuild Jerusalem and her temple, it reveals how the first latter-day messenger (Elijah-type) fails to construct the latter-day spiritual temple. Therefore, as Moses, Solomon, and Darius built the temple of God instead of Aaron, David, and Cyrus, it reveals how the second latter-day messenger (Elisha-type) receives the key of knowledge to fulfill all unfulfilled prophecies (see Revelation 3:7).

    Revelation 3:7 …These things saith he that is HOLY {scroll of life’s record}, he that is TRUE {scroll of life’s record pertaining to the Chosen Vessel/second messenger}, HE {Chosen Vessel} THAT HATH THE KEY {to unlock all mysteries in God’s word, see Revelation 10:7} OF {latter-day} DAVID {latter-day Eliakim/Elijah}, HE {latter-day Solomon} that OPENETH {the scroll of life with the key of knowledge, see Revelation 5:5, 6}, AND NO MAN SHUTTETH {with their wrongly-fitting key of error}; AND SHUTTETH {when latter-day Solomon does not reveal/open God’s mysteries with his key of knowledge}, AND NO MAN OPENETH {with his or her key that does not fit the figurative lock of written prophecy};

    According to the song (testimony) of old Moses, he brought out the Israelites from Egypt, constructed the temple, fed the people, gave them laws, and led them to the Promised Land, (see Deuteronomy 32:2).

    Deuteronomy 32:2 My {Moses’} doctrine shall drop as the rain {to ripen the spiritual barley, wheat, and fruits}, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:”

    Today, the new doctrine of latter-day Moses is sung from the scroll of life’s first side. The people who accept latter-day Moses’ song (doctrine) are also able to sing the song pertaining to latter-day Moses, as prophesied in Revelation 15:3.

    Revelation 15:3 And THEY {first and second latter-day groups of redeemed} sing the SONG {new doctrine} of MOSES {latter-day Moses, see Deuteronomy 31:30} the servant of GOD {seventh angel}, and the song of the LAMB {sunlight-ministry of latter-day Yahshua/Lamb who manifested according to the prophecy in Acts 1:11}, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, THOU {latter-day Chosen Vessel/Elisha/Yahshua} King of {the three latter-day groups of} saints.

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  • Shoshanahim on Ecclesiastes 1 - 14 years ago
    It was known to the writer of Ecclesiastes how this world had ended in the first timeline. In Ecclesiastes Chapter 12, it illustrates the time of trouble when the sun, moon, and stars will be veiled by the violent ejection of dust and thick smoke from a huge caldera (see Ecclesiastes 12:2 and Revelation 6:12; 9:2). A great star (comet of Revelation 8:10; 9:1) is likened to an eagle (see Ecclesiastes 12:4; Isaiah 46:11). When the ravenous bird (comet) enters Earth’s atmosphere, it causes a great sound of thunder. Its voice cries out like a thundering trumpet (see Ecclesiastes 12:4; Isaiah 27:13; Zechariah 9:14; Revelation
    11:15). The voice heralds the time of the latter-day literal and figurative resurrection for the latter-day righteous who believed this new doctrine (see Ecclesiastes 12:4; Daniel 12:1; Hosea 6:2; Revelation 11:11-13).

    Isaiah was also told how our world will end. In Isaiah 13:6, it states that the day of the Lord (who personifies a comet) is at hand. At that time, the light of the sun, moon, and stars will be veiled when dust and smoke explode from a huge volcano’s crater (see Isaiah 13:10). These prophecies were written over two thousand years ago. God’s written word is able to declare what is going to take place in the last generation because God (personifying each scroll that records and plays over each generation) has seen the end already take place in the first timeline (see Isaiah 46:10). The same catastrophic event of a great star’s (personified as the return of God) impact – which causes an immense volcano to explode and release dust, smoke, hot ash, and then lava – is written in the writings of the prophets. However, the written prophecies in the Old Testament, which are to be fulfilled in our day, are written as if they could have happened during events that took place in each prophet’s generation.

    With this in mind when reading the Old Testament prophecies, take into consideration that the past types are mixed-in with future, yet to be fulfilled, prophecies (see Job 14:12, 13; Psalm 18:7-9; Ecclesiastes 12:2-5; Isaiah 24:17-23; Jeremiah 4:23-28; Ezekiel 32:7, 8; Joel 2:1, 30-32; Amos 5:16-18; Micah 3:6; Nahum 1:3-6; Habakkuk 3:3-16; Zephaniah 1:14-18; Haggai 2:6; Zechariah 14:3, 4, 12; Malachi 4:1; Revelation 19:11, 20).
  • Shoshanahim on Isaiah 51 - 14 years ago
    According to the word of the LORD the rock from whence we are hewn is a comet( Psalms 18: 12, 13; Daniel 2: 34, 35; Revelation 8: 11; 9: 1 - too many others to mention) that struck the earth in the previous timeline which will occur again in our generation ( Ecclesiastes 1:9, 10; 3: 15; 12: 1-8) the impact of the comet creates an immense pit in the earth ( Isaiah 5: 14; Psalms 55: 23; 94: 14; Jeremiah 48:44; Matthew 12:11; Revelation 11:7; Revelation 20:1). The 144,000 mentioned in Revelation 14 are the ones who escape the effects of the comet impact that destroys all life on earth ( Isaiah 1:9; Ezekiel 12:16).
  • Sha - ron on Revelation 8 - 14 years ago
    Tonight on the news the oil spill is now the size of Tennessee. But another concern came up - BIRDS! The newscasters stated that millions of birds would be coming to the south to breed and feed before going further south. They were trying to find ways to keep them from roosting in the oil. The size of this mountain being cast into the sea is quite large. Getting bigger with each passing day. And the oil still comes.... I would like to make a comment on Travis' 2-edged sword. The 2-edged sword is the Word of God, coming forth first out of His mouth, then second, coming forth from our mouths. It cuts away the residue, the unwanted things that bogs down the christian and then that christian can speak to others with clarity. This clarity is then used by the convicting Spirit of the Holy Ghost and the sinner will "hear and see" what sayeth the Lord! You were on the right thought with this, Travis. We, who believe in Jesus as Lord and Savior, are a part of that sword, the mighty sword of the Lord! No one knows when the "catching away of the bride of Christ" will happen but those who study and seek the face of Jesus are all having the same feeling - He is coming soon! Be ready! AMEN!
  • Todd on Revelation 8 - 14 years ago
    The oil spill is more than we realize. Oil, as reported in the news, is taking oxygen out of the water, killing life in the sea. We, being made up of mostly water in our bodies, will be affected in the same way by this oil. And if oil can take oxygen out of water, then what about air? Even if we stopped the oil spilling today, it would take many years to get it all out of the sea. And during that time it will still keep killing life. Don't underestimate this incident.. Selah
  • Todd on Revelation 8 - 14 years ago
    @Ray: I think the oil spill could be verse 8. Either the prophet could have seen the oil residue in the water and interpreted it as blood, or it could be that God allowed the prophet to see the water as blood, to represent all the resultant deaths, as Sha-ron said. The mountain being cast into the sea could just be a symbol to the prophet that something big was to happen. I believe we are seeing it unfold as others have commented. And since it is happening slowly, like when you put a frog in cool water and heat it up slowly until the frog is finally dead, we aren't going to respond to it with the proper urgency until it's possibly too late.
  • Anonymous on Revelation 8 - 14 years ago
    @Travis: The word of God is 2-edged sword, and cuts both ways. Yes this is a wakeup call to us in America, as you have said. That's one side of the sword. But what is the other? Perhaps it serves to bring us christians closer together so that we can win souls to Christ. And as for the rapture you mention, noone truly knows when it will take place, so don't bank on it to save you. The point is to be ready when Christ does return. I'm a pan-tribber. It's all gonna pan out the way God wants regardless of what I believe.
  • Sha-ron on Revelation 8 - 14 years ago
    To Alamo - I'm praying for you, may you find the peace of God. I'm not out to scare anyone - those who know Jesus in His fullness know that they will not be confused nor left alone during the trying times that are indeed ahead for the world. We are here to support those would won't know what to do - to offer a calmness that the world will need. The masses who do not know Jesus in His fullness will be scared, upset, confused and left to fend for themselves when these disaters come upon the face of the earth and are even now appearing. Man is indeed the cause of most calamities: i.e.: the fall of Wall Street, the World and National Wars which not only murdered innocent peoples and animals but also destroyed lands and waters so that their usage was removed. Then there are those who (for the love of "whatever")go into malls, post offices, army bases, schools, court rooms, and other places killing even more and leaving behind deep scars. Let us not forget 9-11 (man doing a work in the name of a dead man - Mohammad). Man and sin are the end result of the end of this world. So again I encourage all that believe on Jesus as Lord and Savior - "Rise up and make the call to those whose eyes are open but cannot see. Ears that are hearing but cannot hear;the non-belivers who need to believe". This is the time for much praying and fasting to bring the lost into the fold of our Shepherd - Jesus Christ, the true and living God! Everyone - even the sceptical - is important to the Kingdom of God. Amen.
  • BOB KUZEL on Revelation 8 - 14 years ago
    I BELIEVE YES THAT WE COULD BE WITHIN THAT THIRD TRUMP SOUNDING. BECAUSE IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, WHY HAVEN'T THEY FOUND A SOLUTION?
  • Alamo on Revelation 8 - 14 years ago
    The kooks have come out to play. The oil spill came a s a result of human error and has nothing to do with the hocus pocus of religion. Christianity is an evolved form of voodoo that is used as a means to cast fear and control the ignorant masses.
  • Sha - ron on Revelation 8 - 14 years ago
    I am not a pre-trib rapture thinker. I am mid-trib. Several verses lead me to believe that we will see a portion of the "bad times" before we ascend into the clouds. I believe that the oil spill will do much damage to the U.S. More problems than what most people think. Some disaters are "fast" like earthquakes and storms, but some are "slow" like molasses on a cold day. The oil spill is one of those "slow" things". Over the coarse of the next year there will be a greater distruction from this than we have vision of. The "blood" that John saw in the sea meant "death". The oil is a killer - killing even from the largest of sea creatures to the smallest - the smallest being affected now which is the "bread" for the larger ones. When the food chain is disrupted - esp. at the base - the effect of distruction is not "fast to see". We are in for great storms and famine and earthquakes here in the U.S.A.. Not only in the physical but in the Spiritual. Our call to this nation is "Arise - Arise, open your eyes that are open but cannot see, open your ears that are open but cannot see!! Jesus is coming !!"
  • Ray on Revelation 8:8 - 14 years ago
    Could it be the oil spill?
  • Sha-ron on Revelation 8 - 14 years ago
    I am in the middle of studying out chp.6,7,8 - The Lord is speaking in volumes- not just to me but others. This is the beginning of the end. We have entered into the opening of the seals. I believe that we are into the 3rd - more is to come - God's judgement is sure - we have definitely entered into the days when man's knowledge and practice of the one and only true religion is becoming scarce. The word being brought forth from the pulpits is full of sugar and honey - too much that it has spoiled the pot, so as to speak. Our Lord states that all who will see Him will have "CLEAN HANDS AND A PURE HEART". I so agree that we MUST REACH THE LOST NOW!!!! This is our now time work. Pray/Fast for the salvation of all of the most precious creation of God - and do it now. Thank you.
  • Travis on Revelation 8 - 14 years ago
    this has nothing to do with this verse of scripture. now could this be a sample of what is to come? yes. all these diasters that are happening in america are Gods mercy believe it or not. God is trying to wake up this country from the evil that will send it to hell but we are not listening. ad by the way the church will be gone when these things will happen. so just focus on winning souls to christ and following and reading his word.
  • Todd on Revelation 8 - 14 years ago
    Thanks Sarah, I didn't know that. Wow, we're witnessing these things come true right before our eyes.. Selah
  • Sarah on Revelation 8 - 14 years ago
    There was a recent meeting in the panhandle with the fishermen who wanted to help the effort to stop the oil from spreading. They were told by the officials that their boats would need to be at least 30' long and that once used for the oil spill disaster will not be allowed back into the waters again because they will be contaminated. Thousands of them. Not being able to be used again. Having to be destroyed.
  • Todd on Revelation 8 - 14 years ago
    I think that when I saw the brown residue from the recent oil spill, with dead fish in it, this scripture came to mind. From a distance, the strips of brown on top the water with dead fish in them look like pieces of wood with worms in them. Maybe that's what the prophet was seeing, but it's just an opinion because some of the things before that scripture don't seem to have happened yet, unless you count the ships destroyed from the tsunami in indonesia. But then, where was the mountain that was cast into the sea? And have there been enough forest fires and burning of forests around the world to justify verse 7 right now?


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