Daniel 12:1 admittedly is confusing as it would seem that the time of trouble when His people are raised when considering all the other events beforehand make it seem like the midpoint of the Tribulation. My point was that the 24 elders clearly represent all the saints; and it would make sense that it would be the O.T. and N.T. ones from "all nations". So somehow it is the literal elders as well as all those symbolized by all believers; that was my point; perhaps the original text is worded to make that point clearer than the translation. Whether those who have "fallen asleep" are Resurrected at the same time being part of the church age; or the O.T. saints are raised later on is a mystery to me. I suppose in some sense with the 2 prophets Elijah if not Enoch as well have the final Resurrection at the midpoint as Elijah never died (following the Hebrews 9:27 principal). Just thought of that. The other aspect which you haven't asked me about is my whole view that those in white garments after martyrdom represent believers who are lukewarm and left behind. I suppose that is contentious as well; given my reasoning and scripture as a whole it isn't worth dividing over; but I want to remain faithful to the text. As to the rapture being a reward and not a salvation issue; and how we define the wrath that we as a church aren't going to go through is a complex issue. I say this in all honesty for many now that is the only thing this side of heaven that will cause a real move of God; certainly that is the case for the Tribulation saints there will be a countless multitude. As to whether there is some overlap of the Age of Grace with the Tribulation is a tough subject. Surely; as Psalm 40 seems to implicate; many will see and fear when we are lifted up from the miry clay which could refer to the Rapture; as well as whatever provokes the Jews to jealousy ( Romans 11:14; also see Deut 32:21 I just found that also! Hope these things won't cause too much strife.
Marke - Acts 1:17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.
18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and (falling) headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
Acts 1:25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression (fell), that he might go to his own place.
2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
Romans 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
How can you fall out of a tree if you never was in the tree? It makes people feel good to think they are going to heaven no matter what they do. Many people are going to be deceived and fail because they love not the truth.
Luke, I read the context before and after Romans 11:4. Romans is written by Paul, but he is referencing God. The 7000 is referring to Jews. To this day, how many Jews accepted Yeshua as their Messiah? I seen a video by a Gentile street preacher, who made the mistake of preaching Jesus the Christ in Jerusalem. Immediately, there was a violent reaction by a Jew. He kept spitting and yelling at the street preacher.
Revelation 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
Once the 144,000 are sealed with the seal of God, the 5th trump sounds, Satan's fallen angels are here.
God's very elect are the 7,000 from all races, Acts 2
Romans 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
What did God tell Satan & his angels, Touch not My Elect, that have the seal of God in their forehead
Revelation 9:4 And it was commanded them (Satan & his angels) that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
Those who have the seal of God(Sealed)during the Hour of Temptation will not be touched by this wrath, which IS the wrath of God.
All who are alive and remain go through the tribulation, question is DO YOU HAVE THE SEAL???
ROMANS 11:25 For I desire not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this secret, in order that ye should be not wise with yourselves;that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Romans 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. There are a lot of promises to the believer in the Bible as well as to the Jews concerning the city of Jerusalem. The Jews had a hard time grasping that anything could ever happen to that city. What they missed was those promises were based on them responding properly to God's grace toward them. God gives us all the tools for that not to happen. The man that owed the ten thousand talents was saved by grace, but he ended up falling from grace because of his response to it.
John 15:2 is a frightening verse; in that on the surface it would seem that someone could be saved but end up being lost. Romans 11:21-22 seems to reflect the same sort of picture. Since scripture can't contradict itself; this can't mean salvation can be lost. It does reflect that there are some who would gain prominence, reputations or financial gain from association with the church but whose hearts were never in it. Continuation is a theme here in verse 9 (perseverance of the saints in a way). Verse 16 makes it clear once again that God chose us for these good fruits; i.e. good works.
Going back to verse 2; the second part shows how God is doing the purging (or chastisement; and testing through trials) to gain MORE fruit for those truly in Him. The parable of the sower and the seeds ( Matthew 13:3-9 and in Luke) illustrates how those in Him must get to the point of producing fruit. This fruit comes from Him; therefore He is gaining a return for His investment or redemption achieved through the Atonement.
The concept of being called friends is once again attached to the idea of producing LASTING fruit as WELL as seeing answered prayers. This should give us pause to reflect on our own spiritual growth as well as being selective in WHO prays for us; looking for those that show evidence of these things.
Finally; we have verse 17 about the COMMAND to love one another; followed by the fact that men will HATE us because of Christ in us. This theme goes on to verse 26 where the Comforter is promised to do the talking; as well as the Disciples own eyewitness testimony in the following verse as part of their unique ministry. In light of this; we have to question churches that the world readily accepts in light of whether the TRUE and whole Gospel is being preached.
There's a different relationship "in Christ," that the law couldn't bring,
Romans 9:31-32
But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
Wherefore? BECAUSE THEY SOUGHT IT NOT BY FAITH, BUT AS IT WERE BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;....
Romans 10:5-9.
For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)
Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Who is the 12th Apostle? Paul is what the Bible indicated. In whose authority? Jesus Christ.
"And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb." Revelation 21:14 KJV
"And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both (1) Peter, and (2) James, and (3) John, and (4) Andrew, (5) Philip, and (6) Thomas, (7) Bartholomew, and (8) Matthew, (9) James the son of Alphaeus, and (10) Simon Zelotes, and (11) Judas the brother of James." Acts 1:13 KJV
The reason I ask this very important question is to prove what truly the Bible said not what men or any religious sect says so. It is also important who is speaking and who has the ultimate authority in the Bible-Jesus Christ- John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Please understand the order of the Book of Acts.
Strong Facts:
"But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:" Acts 9:15 KJV
(12) "Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)" Galatians 1:1 KJV
"Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity." 1 Timothy 2:7 KJV
"Let his days be few; and let another take his office." Psalms 109:8 KJV
Romans 11:13
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
In my own opinion, I found that all other evidence verses are very weak indeed to call Mathias as the chosen apostle.
Weak Facts:
"And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen," Acts 1:24 KJV
"And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles." Acts 1:26 KJV
It could be both eternally lost and rejected of men. Romans 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. I would consider "cut off" comparable to "castaway". Rev. 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Both scriptures are talking about saved people.
But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine: ( Titus 2:1)
We are saved by grace through faith.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: ( Ephesians 2:8)
And Jesus said the to woman who anointed His feet,
And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace. ( Luke 7:30)
But James teaches,
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. ( James 2:26)
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. ( James 2:17)
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. ( James 2:18)
Therefore, James and Paul contradict.
And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. ( Romans 11:6)
Consequently, we are saved by both faith and works, which says both James and Paul are inspired and not one over the other.
And Christ's apostles will judge
when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
This is similar to Matthew 10:23 and focuses on the "Gospel of the Kingdom". In that case it will not be preached to all the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes. Given there are comments on some being put to death; speaking in front of Kings; etc. it is claer that this journey went beyond this one ventue; beyond the Resurrection at least until the Apostles were all killed. The sentiment also seems to indicate during the first part of the Tribulation as found in 2 Cor. 12:14 as well as 2 Timothy as evidence of the last days. No doubt the 2 witnesses and probably some of the 144,000 will be witnessing to leaders.
Because of that logic; I would agree as to other scriptures in Thessalonians from the "Pauline" epistles; as well as Revelation itself indicating that there is indeed a rapture at the end of the Age of Grace; once the "restrainer" is removed. ( 2 Thess. 2:6-7).
We need to be aware; as Luke 21:36 states of His return; praying earnestly. This verse about praying to be worthy seems to indicate some indeed are left behind. At the very least; we have crowns to take hold of or lose reward if not remaining faithful as Rev. 3:11 indicates. 2 Tim. 4:8 shows this; and I just realized that Psalm 40:1 before what sounds like the world's reaction to the Rapture (verse 3) seems to show an indication of the merit of us patiently waiting as a cross reference as well. The theme of patience is mentioned throughout the O.T. and N.T.; Proverbs; Romans and Proverbs being just a few examples.
In the Tribulation; once again the Jews wil be prominent in evangelism. The "blindness in part" mentioned in Romans will be lifted ( Romans 11:25). As I state many times; by the sixth seal there will no longer be any atheists ( Rev. 6:16-17). Indeed; the Kingdom coming to earth will be finally realized in short order; after the "parenthesis" which occurred after AD 70; and continued until recent times. Also see Zech. 13:8 as to God's plan for Israel and Jer. 30:7.
But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine: ( Titus 2:1)
The Bible tells us we lived with God before we were born.
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? ( Job 38:4,7)
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. ( Jeremiah 1:5)
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, 2 (Timothy 1:9)
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: ( Ephesians 1:4)
But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: ( 1 Corinthians 2:7)
In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; (Titus1:2)
(A Prayer of Moses the man of God.) Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations.
Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God. (Psalms: 90:1-2)
God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. ( Romans 11:2)
She was with our Lord before and during the creation of the world.
Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; ( Proverbs 8:30)
Unto you, O men, I call; and my voice is to the sons of man.
I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
Faith, This is one of many verses against OSAS. Romans 11:22 "Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off". I don't know how long you have been converted, but if you are relatively young in the faith I would encourage you to take a simple approach by asking questions and talking about it with fellow believers. This is a topic that people on both sides are convinced they have the right interpretation. People do not change readily from strong held convictions, especially if someone teaching is young. I am greatly encouraged that you are trying to comprehend the Bible by what it says and not what I would like it to say to make me feel good. I picture that you are a careful reader with the faith to believe what it says. Another sobering topic is the teachings and parables about people when they stand before the King thinking they were saved and he "never knew them". May God Bless your understanding!!
Curious why our sin needs to be washed again and again. Does not His blood and Spirit have power to cleanse us from all unrighteousness? Peter at the last supper said that the Lord should wash everything not just his feet, but Jesus said they that are washed needed not to be washed except their feet. I think this should be done by one another.
Fred G/M GBU...May i give ya my slant on FAITH...As in Hebrews 11:1 ....Now Faith is the Substance of things Hoped for and the Evidence of things not seen....In the Spritual realm under this new covenant....Faith is a spritual Pregnancy via the seed of Christ the bridegroom ...Being bornagain of an incorruptible seed even by the words of God as ,Peter said...But this new birth requires a spritual Pregnancy which comes from hearing hiS VOIC...Faith comes by hearing his Words...There has to be an intimacy.
.....Even in the natural when a woman is pregnant she has the substance of things HOPED FOR ( the Baby ) which is the evidence of things NOT SEEN...No body can see what she has, not even her husband....But she knows it b/c her whole biological make up is changing and she can feel the baby moving with in her...@ only 6 weeks there is already a heart beat....Thats US after he sows his good seed in our hearts we have heavenly Faith...We know we are spritual Pregnant...We can feel the Spirit moving within US...My lil Children of whom i travail in birth Again till Christ is formed in you Gal 4 :19...As we have borne the image of the earthly we must also bear ( birth ) the image of the heavenly....We have the evidence of things not seen which is the H.G the Child of Promise.
.....Unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in....Thats Y he has to know us, thats when his good seed is gona be sown in our hearts and minds....She brought forth a man Child that is gonna rule al nations and her Child was caught up to God and to his throne... Rev. 12 :5....We are the woman and her Child is the result of the sower and his seed...the words of that New covenant....The babes and suckling he mentions ,..Thats y he is saying the Good seed are the CHILDREN OF THE KINGDOM....There is a baby Christ in our future....Thats y he always refers to himself as the SON OF MAN.
.....Blessed are them that follow me in the REGENERATION....a BABY CHRIST...
If you cannot see a thing, does it mean that it doesn't exist?
Faith is just that thing!
It is the means of travel, in the universe and the time of and in His creation.
As we Travel across the universe at the speed of light, there will be times that those who are outside of Him may be given a glimpse of His Majesty, yet only according too His Grace!
The depths of the wisdom of God, His love for man, while preserving who He is!
Sanctification, is the washing away of sin! The sin that easily moves us out of His will for us in ( the way.)
The sin that needs to be removed again and again!
We cannot do it ourselves, it must come from above. It must come from Him, we can only receive it, in this thing called faith!
If you believe the promises of Him, and are covered in Him, then you will see clearly while traveling at the speed of light! His light found in His Son, the Savior of the world!
If you have not been given glimpse, then you shall be left behind!
I'm very familiar with the scriptures you have shared, and they must harmonize with Romans 6:1-12 and also Romans 8:7-14. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
The scriptures you have shared accompanied with the ones I've shared suggest that Sanctification follows Salvation.
"IF" we are connected to the vine we WILL bare fruit.
I praise God for your response. Grace and peace unto you from our God, the Father in Heaven and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Time is short. We can see 2 Timothy 3 today.
As you know Timothy 4.
I think it is important to do the following:
1. Pray (for others, each other, lost people to be saved, Believers for their holiness until Jesus comes, and ALL Leaders in-charged to do the right thing)
2. Study the Bible ( 2 Timothy 2:15)
Finally sharing our experience helps everyone to see that Jesus Christ is alive and waiting for the fullness of the Gentiles for the glory of God.
Romans 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Ephesians 4:13
Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
I read most comments on this site and we need to be in one mind:
1 Corinthians 14:33
For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
doeth.
Romans 12:16
Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.
1 Peter 3:8
Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:
Philippians 2:2
Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.
Romans 15:6
That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Corinthians 13:11
Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.
Thank you for the opportunity to read your comments. Rejoice evermore!
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
I understand the feeling of working to be holy in this world. My Spirit ask me to send this your way.
Also, you may want to meditate reading Colossians Chapter 2.
I love all the saints. Grace and peace unto you from our God, and of the Father and of the Lord Jesus Christ.
You're right, we are saved by grace through faith,
I think here we are in the area of fruit barring and sanctification. When we are saved we have a new birth. We're baptized in the body of believers, We are now identified with Christ and given the Holyspirit, The old nature still exists, But we have a life giving spirit in us that produces fruit in our lives. When we are joined to Christ we will bare fruit. There are some more fruitful than others but if we're saved we all belongs to Christ. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Philippians 2:13.
This new birth is inward, It's an action generated and comes from a new heart.
James 4:17. Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
If you are, please join me to pray and fast for the safety of Israel and the fullness of the Gentiles.
Romans 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Colossians 2:9
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Colossians 2:10
And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Grace and peace from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Ronnette hi , did Jesus do good to others when he was on Earth ? Did the disciples ? Did Mary do a good work on Jesus when she poured the ointment on Jesus head ? How did he respond to her good deed ? Have u read Matthew Ch 25 V 31-46 ? If u haven't , I suggest that u do .
Don't be too hard on the "do gooders". Goodness is a fruit of the Spirit that is often overlooked. Eph. 5:9 For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;
Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: KJV 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
Do you guys believed in vain? Jesus died for us all. He did put Himself like a lamb in the slaughter. He shed His blood for us all sinners once and for all. All we need to do is trust, believe, and have faith in Him. Nothing of anything you human can possibly do to save you from your sins. Not any of your good works. Not any of animal sacrifices can forgive any human sins.
So any of you "do gooders" out there if you do not understand the wisdom and knowledge of what "not of yourselves lest any men should boast" means, I would highly suggest to pray and fast for the Holy Spirit to come in to your heart.
Remember you know you are saved when you forget about "yourself". You are a new man with Christ in You. It is no longer what you do. It is what God tells you what to do. How do you know? You will know because the Holy Spirit is in you. If you do not know, it means you test your Spirit. God has given you the most gracious gift you ever received in your entire life on earth. Would you take it or not? He gave you free will. It is the free gift from God. All you need to do is claim it through faith, by believing and trusting on What Jesus did on the cross-shedding His own blood to save you in order to have an everlasting life. And live in the Kingdom of God here on earth.
So get over yourself. We are nobody. We are all sinners. We need God. You cannot live without God's guidance. We are all servants of God. The good news is God knows what you need. Be saved!
18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and (falling) headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
Acts 1:25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression (fell), that he might go to his own place.
2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
Romans 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
How can you fall out of a tree if you never was in the tree? It makes people feel good to think they are going to heaven no matter what they do. Many people are going to be deceived and fail because they love not the truth.
2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
Once the 144,000 are sealed with the seal of God, the 5th trump sounds, Satan's fallen angels are here.
God's very elect are the 7,000 from all races, Acts 2
Romans 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
What did God tell Satan & his angels, Touch not My Elect, that have the seal of God in their forehead
Revelation 9:4 And it was commanded them (Satan & his angels) that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
Those who have the seal of God(Sealed)during the Hour of Temptation will not be touched by this wrath, which IS the wrath of God.
All who are alive and remain go through the tribulation, question is DO YOU HAVE THE SEAL???
John 15:2 is a frightening verse; in that on the surface it would seem that someone could be saved but end up being lost. Romans 11:21-22 seems to reflect the same sort of picture. Since scripture can't contradict itself; this can't mean salvation can be lost. It does reflect that there are some who would gain prominence, reputations or financial gain from association with the church but whose hearts were never in it. Continuation is a theme here in verse 9 (perseverance of the saints in a way). Verse 16 makes it clear once again that God chose us for these good fruits; i.e. good works.
Going back to verse 2; the second part shows how God is doing the purging (or chastisement; and testing through trials) to gain MORE fruit for those truly in Him. The parable of the sower and the seeds ( Matthew 13:3-9 and in Luke) illustrates how those in Him must get to the point of producing fruit. This fruit comes from Him; therefore He is gaining a return for His investment or redemption achieved through the Atonement.
The concept of being called friends is once again attached to the idea of producing LASTING fruit as WELL as seeing answered prayers. This should give us pause to reflect on our own spiritual growth as well as being selective in WHO prays for us; looking for those that show evidence of these things.
Finally; we have verse 17 about the COMMAND to love one another; followed by the fact that men will HATE us because of Christ in us. This theme goes on to verse 26 where the Comforter is promised to do the talking; as well as the Disciples own eyewitness testimony in the following verse as part of their unique ministry. In light of this; we have to question churches that the world readily accepts in light of whether the TRUE and whole Gospel is being preached.
There's a different relationship "in Christ," that the law couldn't bring,
Romans 9:31-32
But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
Wherefore? BECAUSE THEY SOUGHT IT NOT BY FAITH, BUT AS IT WERE BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;....
Romans 10:5-9.
For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)
Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Conclusion!!
Romans 11:7-36.
What a great ending!! God bless.
By The law: Romans 3:10-31,
Faith : Romans 4, Romans 5,
Obedience, yeilding to GOD: Psalms 84:11, Romans 6, Romans 12, 1Corinthians 3:9-15, 2Corinthians 9:8, Ephesians 2:1-10, Titus 3:7,8, 1Peter 4:10, 1Peter 5:1-11,
Romans 11:16-22, Matthew 25:31-46, Matthew 7: , Hebrews 10, James 2,
Watch out for: Jude 1:4,
Hopefully these are helpful in your walk, with GOD
"And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb." Revelation 21:14 KJV
"And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both (1) Peter, and (2) James, and (3) John, and (4) Andrew, (5) Philip, and (6) Thomas, (7) Bartholomew, and (8) Matthew, (9) James the son of Alphaeus, and (10) Simon Zelotes, and (11) Judas the brother of James." Acts 1:13 KJV
The reason I ask this very important question is to prove what truly the Bible said not what men or any religious sect says so. It is also important who is speaking and who has the ultimate authority in the Bible-Jesus Christ- John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Please understand the order of the Book of Acts.
Strong Facts:
"But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:" Acts 9:15 KJV
(12) "Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)" Galatians 1:1 KJV
"Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity." 1 Timothy 2:7 KJV
"Let his days be few; and let another take his office." Psalms 109:8 KJV
Romans 11:13
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
In my own opinion, I found that all other evidence verses are very weak indeed to call Mathias as the chosen apostle.
Weak Facts:
"And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen," Acts 1:24 KJV
"And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles." Acts 1:26 KJV
We are saved by grace through faith.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: ( Ephesians 2:8)
And Jesus said the to woman who anointed His feet,
And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace. ( Luke 7:30)
But James teaches,
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. ( James 2:26)
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. ( James 2:17)
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. ( James 2:18)
Therefore, James and Paul contradict.
And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. ( Romans 11:6)
Consequently, we are saved by both faith and works, which says both James and Paul are inspired and not one over the other.
And Christ's apostles will judge
when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Because of that logic; I would agree as to other scriptures in Thessalonians from the "Pauline" epistles; as well as Revelation itself indicating that there is indeed a rapture at the end of the Age of Grace; once the "restrainer" is removed. ( 2 Thess. 2:6-7).
We need to be aware; as Luke 21:36 states of His return; praying earnestly. This verse about praying to be worthy seems to indicate some indeed are left behind. At the very least; we have crowns to take hold of or lose reward if not remaining faithful as Rev. 3:11 indicates. 2 Tim. 4:8 shows this; and I just realized that Psalm 40:1 before what sounds like the world's reaction to the Rapture (verse 3) seems to show an indication of the merit of us patiently waiting as a cross reference as well. The theme of patience is mentioned throughout the O.T. and N.T.; Proverbs; Romans and Proverbs being just a few examples.
In the Tribulation; once again the Jews wil be prominent in evangelism. The "blindness in part" mentioned in Romans will be lifted ( Romans 11:25). As I state many times; by the sixth seal there will no longer be any atheists ( Rev. 6:16-17). Indeed; the Kingdom coming to earth will be finally realized in short order; after the "parenthesis" which occurred after AD 70; and continued until recent times. Also see Zech. 13:8 as to God's plan for Israel and Jer. 30:7.
The Bible tells us we lived with God before we were born.
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? ( Job 38:4,7)
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. ( Jeremiah 1:5)
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, 2 (Timothy 1:9)
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: ( Ephesians 1:4)
But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: ( 1 Corinthians 2:7)
In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; (Titus1:2)
(A Prayer of Moses the man of God.) Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations.
Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God. (Psalms: 90:1-2)
God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. ( Romans 11:2)
She was with our Lord before and during the creation of the world.
Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; ( Proverbs 8:30)
Unto you, O men, I call; and my voice is to the sons of man.
I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
( Proverbs 8:4, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27)
.....Even in the natural when a woman is pregnant she has the substance of things HOPED FOR ( the Baby ) which is the evidence of things NOT SEEN...No body can see what she has, not even her husband....But she knows it b/c her whole biological make up is changing and she can feel the baby moving with in her...@ only 6 weeks there is already a heart beat....Thats US after he sows his good seed in our hearts we have heavenly Faith...We know we are spritual Pregnant...We can feel the Spirit moving within US...My lil Children of whom i travail in birth Again till Christ is formed in you Gal 4 :19...As we have borne the image of the earthly we must also bear ( birth ) the image of the heavenly....We have the evidence of things not seen which is the H.G the Child of Promise.
.....Unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in....Thats Y he has to know us, thats when his good seed is gona be sown in our hearts and minds....She brought forth a man Child that is gonna rule al nations and her Child was caught up to God and to his throne... Rev. 12 :5....We are the woman and her Child is the result of the sower and his seed...the words of that New covenant....The babes and suckling he mentions ,..Thats y he is saying the Good seed are the CHILDREN OF THE KINGDOM....There is a baby Christ in our future....Thats y he always refers to himself as the SON OF MAN.
.....Blessed are them that follow me in the REGENERATION....a BABY CHRIST...
Faith is just that thing!
It is the means of travel, in the universe and the time of and in His creation.
As we Travel across the universe at the speed of light, there will be times that those who are outside of Him may be given a glimpse of His Majesty, yet only according too His Grace!
The depths of the wisdom of God, His love for man, while preserving who He is!
Sanctification, is the washing away of sin! The sin that easily moves us out of His will for us in ( the way.)
The sin that needs to be removed again and again!
We cannot do it ourselves, it must come from above. It must come from Him, we can only receive it, in this thing called faith!
If you believe the promises of Him, and are covered in Him, then you will see clearly while traveling at the speed of light! His light found in His Son, the Savior of the world!
If you have not been given glimpse, then you shall be left behind!
Repent and be Baptized
I'm very familiar with the scriptures you have shared, and they must harmonize with Romans 6:1-12 and also Romans 8:7-14. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
The scriptures you have shared accompanied with the ones I've shared suggest that Sanctification follows Salvation.
"IF" we are connected to the vine we WILL bare fruit.
God bless.
I praise God for your response. Grace and peace unto you from our God, the Father in Heaven and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Time is short. We can see 2 Timothy 3 today.
As you know Timothy 4.
I think it is important to do the following:
1. Pray (for others, each other, lost people to be saved, Believers for their holiness until Jesus comes, and ALL Leaders in-charged to do the right thing)
2. Study the Bible ( 2 Timothy 2:15)
Finally sharing our experience helps everyone to see that Jesus Christ is alive and waiting for the fullness of the Gentiles for the glory of God.
Romans 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Ephesians 4:13
Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
I read most comments on this site and we need to be in one mind:
1 Corinthians 14:33
For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
doeth.
Romans 12:16
Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.
1 Peter 3:8
Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:
Philippians 2:2
Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.
Romans 15:6
That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Corinthians 13:11
Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.
Thank you for the opportunity to read your comments. Rejoice evermore!
Galatians 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
I understand the feeling of working to be holy in this world. My Spirit ask me to send this your way.
Also, you may want to meditate reading Colossians Chapter 2.
I love all the saints. Grace and peace unto you from our God, and of the Father and of the Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Romans 7:19
For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Romans 7:20
Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Romans 7:25
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Romans 15:33
Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.
Ephesians 6:20
For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.
Ephesians Chapter 5
9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
Romans 1:18
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Grace and peace from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
You're right, we are saved by grace through faith,
I think here we are in the area of fruit barring and sanctification. When we are saved we have a new birth. We're baptized in the body of believers, We are now identified with Christ and given the Holyspirit, The old nature still exists, But we have a life giving spirit in us that produces fruit in our lives. When we are joined to Christ we will bare fruit. There are some more fruitful than others but if we're saved we all belongs to Christ. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Philippians 2:13.
This new birth is inward, It's an action generated and comes from a new heart.
James 4:17. Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
God bless.
Romans 8:14
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
If you are, please join me to pray and fast for the safety of Israel and the fullness of the Gentiles.
Romans 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Colossians 2:9
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Colossians 2:10
And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Grace and peace from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Ephesians 5:9
(For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
Ephesians 5:10
Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
Romans 1:18
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Grace and peace from God the Father in Heaven and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Do you guys believed in vain? Jesus died for us all. He did put Himself like a lamb in the slaughter. He shed His blood for us all sinners once and for all. All we need to do is trust, believe, and have faith in Him. Nothing of anything you human can possibly do to save you from your sins. Not any of your good works. Not any of animal sacrifices can forgive any human sins.
So any of you "do gooders" out there if you do not understand the wisdom and knowledge of what "not of yourselves lest any men should boast" means, I would highly suggest to pray and fast for the Holy Spirit to come in to your heart.
Remember you know you are saved when you forget about "yourself". You are a new man with Christ in You. It is no longer what you do. It is what God tells you what to do. How do you know? You will know because the Holy Spirit is in you. If you do not know, it means you test your Spirit. God has given you the most gracious gift you ever received in your entire life on earth. Would you take it or not? He gave you free will. It is the free gift from God. All you need to do is claim it through faith, by believing and trusting on What Jesus did on the cross-shedding His own blood to save you in order to have an everlasting life. And live in the Kingdom of God here on earth.
So get over yourself. We are nobody. We are all sinners. We need God. You cannot live without God's guidance. We are all servants of God. The good news is God knows what you need. Be saved!