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This passage shows the last great speech of Moses; before he went to his death as stated in verse 21 and 22. Even he was unable; because of one time of anger striking the rock for water an extra time (symbolic in some ways of Christ) that he was not allowed to enter the Promised Land but saw it from afar.

Once again; they are reminded not to worship idols. The past manifestations of God on the mountain with fire was reiterated; and warnings as to future sin and being dispersed among the nations in exile after many died in the land would certainly come to pass. There is even a prophetic statement about the last days and tribulation (v. 30) where God still promised some mercy for repentance. This demonstrates the sad reality that Moses knew as God Himself that there would be rebellion as long as man remained in his sinful state until Christ returns. Nonetheless; God's covenant would remain (verse 31).

The blindness among the nation of Israel will finally be removed right before the return of Christ according to Zechariah. Romans states this as continuing until the "time of the Gentiles be complete ( Romans 11:25; see also Luke 21:24). Truly, there has been a time in the wilderness for the Jews up until today; as they have been unable to assess the suffering servant in Isaiah 53 as being Christ. Sadly; many will fall for Antichrist when "another comes in his own name" ( John 5:43). The lesson of going after enemies without God's blessing due to sin in the camp was something prevalent at that time. It was sin which caused such an extensive delay to get out of the desert; and would continually cause the nation to fall short of the promises in God's covenant for the Promised Land. Nonetheless; mercy stands as we have a God much more patient than you or I. Time and time again He forgives despite the heart of man which is desperately wicked ( Jeremiah 17:9).

Verses 1 through 12 indicate covenant blessings for obedience; but the section 13 through 43 are almost 3 times longer where there are warnings of cursing for disobedience. Notwithstanding; there are promises in the last three verses that the covenant would still remain UNbroken (v. 44); and that the ancient promises would still be ultimately remembered. God according to Christ "chastises everyone He loves." ( Heb. 12:6). This can be in regard to an individual; but also the promises ultimately mentioned in Romans to the Jews who are now "blind in part" ( Romans 11:25) until the "full number of Gentiles has come in." This could refer to the Rapture as many commentators suggest; but the full supplication will not occur until around the time of Armageddon when they shall "mourn for the One they pierced" ( Zech. 12:10).

We do well as a nation to study these verses on Israel. In some sense; we are still held under the statement "I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all the peoples on earth will be blessed through you." ( Gen. 12:3). God judges the nations as He pleases (and does all things as He pleases according to Psalm 115:3; 135:6-etc.) All calamities are at least indirectly related to sin; whether our own personal ones; or society at large in a fallen world. We can't always attribute a particular event as a proof of this; however; as Christ's comment on the falling of the tower of Siloam and the blood mixed with the sacrifices indicated in Luke 13:4. There are plenty of things here and in Deuteronomy; however which are usually specific toward Israel; then directed toward other nations in later prophetic scriptures when the end comes such as Isaiah; Jeremiah; and Daniel. This; of course reaches its climax in Revelation. Once again; we see the importance of covenants. We have eternal promises that He will remain with us forever in the New Testament; provided of course that He has chosen us and evidence of good fruit

Brother Dan.

Part 2 of 2.

So we see in part 1, There's a distinction in #1) "a Jew in Christ," where there is no difference between them and a Gentile in Christ. Romans 10:12."

and #2) "National Israel."

That distinction of the 2 is embodied in the text in

Romans 9:6. ( All Israel is not Israel.

Romans 11:5. ( A remnant.)

Romans 11:7. ( the election.)

and

Romans 11:17. ( And if SOME of the branches be broken off,)

Brother Dan I leave off with this.

Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love. Galatians 5:1-6.

God bless you.

Hi Brother Dan.

Pt. 1

What I think is being missed in Galatians 3:29. Is that it actually says the opposite of the way you take it.

It says "you are Abraham's seed, and heirs, ""ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE"". Not law!! and not nationality.

The Promise spoken of here, "the covenant of God in Christ" was given to Abraham 430 years before the Law. Galatians 3:17. and before Israel was a nation.

So Galatians. 3:29. Is not saying you are Israelites it's saying you are children of Promise as we see in Galatians 4:28. Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

I think the confusion is when often you call members of the church Israelites citing Galatians 3:29. and

Romans 2:29.

But you must consider

Galatians 3:28. "THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YE ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS."

So when you revisit Romans 9 and take on Romans 9:6-8. "Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: "but the children of the promise are counted for the seed."

This is not making a distinction between Ishmael and Issac.

It's a distinction between

1) National Israel "The broken off branch who were blinded and who you are attempting to be grafted into " and 2) Messianic Israel who's joint members of the Church and children of the promise.

Have you noticed they all weren't broken off?

Romans 11:17. AND "IF SOME" OF THE BRANCHES BE BROKEN OFF, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

Romans 11:7. What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; BUT THE ELECTION HATH OBTAINED IT, and the rest were blinded

Here's why they're broken off.

Romans 9:31-32.

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Hello again, S. Spencer

I agree, that we do not necessarily become Israelites or Jews by the ingrafting done by God. The account of the ingrafting in Romans 11:16-24 speaks pointedly to the root and the first-fruit being holy. This is definitely speaking of Jesus Christ.

This is really a beautiful picture of Christ being the source of the people of Israel (the root). It tells us that Jesus pre-existed the people of Israel, the partiarchs Jacob, Isaac, and Abraham. And on backwards through history, tracing Abraham's lineage all the way back to Adam. Jesus was before all things, and He is the holy first-fruit of the Olive Tree people produced from Himself.

Brother Dan.

Part 2.

Romans 11:10-32.

There is a lot here in this portion of scripture, for one you will see there is two groups here, Us/The Church and Israel.

Take notice of what we are being grafted into! Is it Israel? No, Israel is a branch broken off because of unbelief.

You see the concept in John and Mathews. I am the vine true/genuine vine in John 15:1-12. and Mathews 7:13-23. opposed to Israel in Jeremiah 2:21.

Notice Romans 11:25

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Again, salvation wasn't to come by the law where the Gentiles were foreigners, the law was to show the world they needed a savior that's what God promised Abraham.

Genesis 22:18.

SO, WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THE LAW?

Galatians 3:18-29.

This puts the verse you gave, " Galatians 3:29." in its proper perspective.

More References:

Romans 7:4-7.

Romans 7:8-13.

2 Corinthians 3:6-11.

You mentioned Romans 2:29. Let's look at it.

You should take it from Romans 2:11-29. to put it in its context.

Romans 2:11-16.

Notice Paul says, "FOR WHEN THE GENTILES, WHICH HAVE NOT THE LAW, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:" Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

Even before the law was given, we had light in the world that bared witness of right and wrong! (The law put a death sentence on us. Romans 7:8-10.)

Continuing.

Romans 2:17-24.

Context: vs 17. "Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,"

This portion of scripture seems to label you as a hypocrite and blasphemer when you put your trust in being able to keep the law.

See verses 24-29 in Part 3.

Hi Brother Dan.

Part 1 of ?

Your quote:

"Whatever Jesus/God spoke to the Israelites are also spoken to us Gentiles, and we are just as accountable to adhere to these commands today. Why? Because those of us in Christ are now Israelites and we were once Gentiles but the grafting process through Jesus Christ has changed us so that we have become Jews inwardly. Paul tells us below we are now of Abrahams seed." End quote.

your reference scriptures are in Galatians 3:29. and Romans 2:29.

Let's deal with the grafting in first.

You would have to go to Romans 10 to put it into perspective.

Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believeth. Romans 10:1-4.

NOTE:

Christ is the goal! the Law was given to bring Man to Christ. He said, "I didn't come to patch up an old garment, I came to give you a new garment." (The robe of his righteousness)

Continuing-

Look here in Romans 11:1-9.

Notice verses 5-7.

(Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise, grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise, work is no more work.

What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded)

verses 8-9.

(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

And David saith, let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:

We will come back to stumblingblock.

see Part 2.

Good Morning, Bro Dan,

Yes, in Romans 11:24 Paul is speaking of the two olive trees. the Gentiles (wild) and the Israel (cultivated). A cultivated tree is one that has been tended to by a gardener. A wild tree has not had that superintendence from a gardener. So, if we work within this analogy, it is clear from Scripture that Israel was cultivated by God over the centuries to be His special, set apart people through whom He would reveal Himself and His eternal plan of all nations from The Seed promised in Genesis 3:15 and to Abraham. That Seed being Jesus, the Messiah. God, throughout the history of the nation of Israel, was preparing them receive the Messiah. Israel had the history of God's superintendency. God cultivated them through the giving of His Word through Moses and the prophets. God pruned them through the discipline of captivity and other judgments. Because of all this they should have been ready and willing to receive Jesus. But, they rejected Him.

The Gentiles are the wild olive tree (still an alive tree like the cultivated one, i.e. one humanity). However, the Gentiles were not cultivated by God. he did not tend to the Gentiles like a gardener would tend to their planted trees in his orchards. the wild olive trees (Gentile nations) were allowed to grow at the whim of nature (their sinful nature). The wild olive tree was not pruned for better, healthier growth (spiritual). The wild olive tree was not grown with wisdom from a gardener (the good instruction of the Word or prophets).

So, the Gentiles, (wild olive tree) did not know the true God (gardener). Nor did they know the promise of the Messiah (The Seed). Therefore, they were not looking for a Savior like Israel was. But, according to God's compassion, mercy, and grace, the Gentiles (wild olive tree) will be grafted into Israel (the cultivated olive tree) by faith in Jesus, the Messiah, just as those of Israel who believe in Jesus will remain in the cultivated tree by faith also.

Hello Bennie. Both 'election' & 'predestination' are never in the power or domain of mankind, but rests entirely in the omniscience & purposes of God. Most don't see much difference between those words as they both denote 'a special selection to receive a specific result'.

But the difference is apparent, where the 'elect' are the specially chosen of God (i.e. of Israel: Romans 11:26-28; and of the Church: Romans 8:33; 1 Peter 1:1,2; Colossians 3:12). And those of the elect (the Church now, as "blindness in part is happened to Israel" ( Romans 11:25), are predestined for a reason: Ephesians 1:11,12, to give praise to God's Glory (in His Love, redemption plan, life in the Spirit; all that Israel failed to grasp. And Ephesians 1:5, predestined to become His adopted children by Jesus Christ's Sacrifice; again that which Israel forfeited by their rejection of their Messiah). Though the day will come, when Israel will re-enter that blessed position when they bow before Jesus ( Romans 11:15-26) & both saved Jew & Gentile will share together as God's family.

I shared the above, though that wasn't your enquiry, as I hope that you might see that both 'election' & 'predestination' is all of God's Work according to His Will & Knowledge. We know that we are blessed in being God's elect & have been assured of adoption into His family, & that happens only after our own humbling before Him & repentance, being drawn to God by His Spirit & then receiving His Spirit into our lives. Israel had every opportunity to truly be God's children & servants, but they never bore His Light to the world, rather lived in spiritual darkness. 2 Timothy 2:19: "Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his." God know those who are His - His Seal is upon them, they are the elect. Our knowledge of our election is when the Holy Spirit does His Work in our hearts, confirming His Work of Grace & giving us the assurance of eternal life.

Hello Richard,

Well said

Oh, the depths of the riches both the wisdom and knowledge of God!

How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out!

Romans 11:33

God is ineffable: too great for words, inexpressible, beyond the limitations of our words or thoughts.

He is transcendent: existing apart from and not subject to the limitations of physical experience.

He is incomprehensible: beyond our ability to fully understand.

He is unfathomable: impossible for us to fully explore or measure the extent of His Being.

He is holy: set apart from any other being. Not like any other creature He created.

He is perfect: complete and uncorrupted in all attributes. without lack of anything.

He is infinite: His perfection never ends, there is never a top capacity to his perfection.

He is sovereign: complete authority over all creation. he is the Supreme Ruler of the universe.

How marvelous He is! makes us kind of speechless before Him.

Yet on the other hand,

God is imminent: He is involved in creation and history. He is Immanuel: God with us.

He is Omnipresent: every present at once.

He is Knowable: God has revealed Himself in history, creation, His Word and in us by His Spirit. But most importantly, by His Son, Jesus Christ. God has revealed to us what He wants us to know of Him so that we can be saved and know the difference between good and evil. This allows us to discern what is of God and what is of the devil or man.

In Heaven we will learn more about God and the spiritual realm, but we will never know all of God. There will still be much about Him that will remain a mystery to us forever. But even so, we will still be completely satisfied by Him. We have limits, He does not, so He will operate in us within our limits as creatures.

I am so glad God is so wonderful and infinitely greater than us. This way He can be ALL to us. We will lack for nothing we need because his riches exceed our ability to possess fully. How wonderful is that!

Please read the WORD for yourself : * Mark 16:17,

Romans 11:29, Romans 12:5-21, Acts 2, Acts 10:46, Acts 19:6,

* 1 Corinthians 12, whole chapter speaks of Spiritual gifts. Ephesians 4:4-25, these chapters: 1 Corinthians 13, 1Corinthians 14, also covers 'Speaking in tongues '

Hopefully these are helpful in your searching for true understanding

Hi BMW.

Part 7 of 7.

(3) Gentiles were not required, but had the privilege of, joining the Hebrew family via the proselytization process (cf. Acts 2:10; 13:16). Additionally, there were many instructions in Moses' law designed to benefit the "strangers" (Gentiles) who came among Israelite people ( Leviticus 19:33ff).

(4) The Lord sent Jonah to the Gentiles of Nineveh ( Jonah 3:1). Archer said that the theme of the book of Jonah "is that God's mercy and compassion extend even to the heathen nations on condition of their repentance" (1964, 295). Jonah is sometimes called "the first apostle to the Gentiles."

(5) Four Gentile women were woven into the genealogical fabric of the Messiah-Tamar, Rahab, Ruth, and Bathsheba-in both legal and biological senses ( Matthew 1:5-6; Luke 3:31-32).

(6) In addition, the prophets clearly revealed Jehovah's redemptive concern for the Gentiles, who were to be grafted into the New Testament church on an equal basis with the Jews ( Genesis 17:4; 22:18; Psalms 2:8; Isaiah 42:1, 6; 49:6; cf. Romans 11:1ff; Galatians 3:28; Ephesians 2:11ff).

Conclusion

There always has been a way for honest people to be right with their Creator-if they seek after him and choose to please him ( Acts 17:27ff). God so loved the entire world and gave his Son as a potential redeeming sacrifice for all who avail themselves of his gift ( John 3:16). He is the loving benefactor to everyone who submits to his will in faithful obedience ( 1 Timothy 2:4; Hebrews 5:8-9; cf. 2 Peter 3:9).

Article by Wayne Jackson.

I share this information for one to go over. I haven't had the time to do no more than glance over the beginning being I'm out town on business again.

Hopefully some others can share on this great question you asked.

God bless.

Ray,

Romans 11:26 tells us that all Israel shall be saved. Now, that does not mean that every single Israelite, past, present, and future is going to be saved. It means that when Christ comes (After the fullness of the Gentiles), which is a time period from Pentecost until the Rapture of the church, but when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, there will be a Tribulation Period.

And then afterwards, when Christ comes at His second coming, those Jews who are on the earth will be saved, approximately one third of them that began the tribulation period. It says "As it is written, there shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob.

It goes on further in Romans 11:27, which is the fulfilment of the prophecy given to us in Isaiah 59:21 and Zechariah 12:10. All of these tell us that when Christ comes, they (the Jews) are going to look on Him whom they have pierced, and He is going to take away all of their sins. This will come at Christ's second coming. At Jesus' second coming, every Jew who is still alive on this earth will be saved!

I asked Father God To Show Me Great And Mighty Things ! And Boy did HE SHOW!! ME!! PRAISE HIM! Thank You Holy Spirit!!! ...... so many people are so mislead by mainstream modern churches !!! Israel Is The Church !! read the WHOLE chapter ... not just verse 2..... I literally just started reading into this after questiong Hagee ..... WHOA!!!!! Ive been Flabbergasted forrr DAaayyyyyysss!.

Bless All Of My Brothers And Sisters In Christ Jesus !! I LOVE YOU !! :)

Romans 1:13

Now I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you, (but was let hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among other Gentiles.

Romans 10:3

For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

Romans 11:25

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

1 Corinthians 10:1

Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea

1 Corinthians 12:1

Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.

1 Corinthians 14:38

But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

2 Corinthians 1:8

For we would not, brethren, have you ignorant of our trouble which came to us in Asia, that we were pressed out of measure, above strength, insomuch that we despaired even of life:

1 Thessalonians 4:13

But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

Must be one of Paul's favorites?

Revelations 11:4 speaks of two witnesses the 2 olive trees and 2 candlesticks. Zechariah 4:1-14 lets you know a olive tree is Gods people Romans 11:13:24 tells you that the original olive tree is Israel the wild olive tree is the gentiles. They both have to be graphed into the root. A candlestick is a church look at Revelations 1:20. These two groups will receive a power like never before to preach the truth to the whole world during the tribulation. They will have a warrior type power like Moses or Elijah. They will be the enemy of this world but for the first 3.5 years nobody will be able to stop them. Then they will be killed and the world will be happy but then they live again in front of people. God proves once again that he is the only God. Not everybody that says I believe will enter the kingdom of heaven. Some of these people God will say part from me I never knew you. If you read revelations chapters 2 and 3 you will see that there were and are two types of churches that God approves, the other 5 he does not.

Sorry Romans 11:13-24 the 2 olive trees

Hello again Dr. Lee. I think I might have understood the difference between the Old Covenant & the Old Testament. You wrote: "One huge difference between the Old Testament and the old covenant is that Moses wrote the Old Testament by hand, while God wrote with his finger the old covenant." The Old (Mosaic) Covenant being the Ten Commandments (which I understand & agree to), & the Old Testament being the Pentateuch (?) If this is the case, have those who divided the testaments to what we have now, erred, by placing the Pentateuch, the Prophets & the Writings under the nomenclature of the Old Testament? If so, then this is misleading.

Now when we consider the New Testament, you've written that the "New Testament has 7 categories." This to me seems like the New Testament must include all the Books from Matthew to Revelation as those categories you've detailed can be seen in most, if not all, of those books.

Then to the New Covenant. It "only has two great commandments". Can we not actually place these Covenantal Laws of both the Old & New (i.e. the Ten Commandments & the love God & neighbour commandment) under the actual Covenants made/given that command men to follow after? I tend to look at a Covenant as just that: a verbal declaration/pledge by one party to another. Therefore I see that the Mosaic (Old) Covenant (e.g. Deuteronomy 11:1-32) & the New Covenant (found variously in Jeremiah 31:31-34; Matthew 26:28; Hebrews 9:15; Romans 11:26,27), as the pledge, with the commandments (including the dictates of the Spirit in the believer), being our response to those Covenants. If we, post-Cross, fail to apprehend this & fail to earnestly seek to obey the Spirit, one could rightly question of what sort our salvation is & whether the promise of the Covenant was ever applied to our hearts. Thank you for your time again.

The natural man.

Part 1 of 2.

In1 Corinthians 2:6-16, the natural man is compared to the spiritual man and the carnal man. Verse 14 says, "A natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised" (NASB). This verse does not define the natural man, as such; rather, it uses the term to describe one who does not understand God's words and thoughts. The one who can understand God's words is a "spiritual" man (verse 15).

Dr. Henry Morris, in theNew Defender's Study Bible, gives this comment on verse 14: "The 'natural' man, still unsaved, cannot appreciate spiritual truths. He must first understand Christ's atoning sacrifice for him, but even that is 'foolishness' to him (1:18) until the Holy Spirit Himself convicts him of its reality ( John 16:7-11)." Basically, the "natural" man is one who does not have the Holy Spirit residing within him. As Jesus said, "Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit" ( John 3:6).

Let's look at some other uses in the Bible of the wordnatural. InRomans 11:21we read, "For if God did not spare thenaturalbranches, neither will He spare you." In1 Corinthians 15:44-46, "It is sown anaturalbody, it is raised aspiritual body. If there is anaturalbody, then there is also a spiritual body. However the spiritual is not first, but thenatural; then the spiritual." Ezekiel 44:31speaks of anaturaldeath. Daniel 10:8speaks of anaturalcolor. James 1:23speaks of anaturalface, andJames 3:15states, "This wisdom is not that which comes down from above, but is earthly,natural, demonic."

Romans 10:1; Romans 11:25-27 are maybe the verses you're thinking of.

This is my name.

It's alright if you don't wish to respond to me, which ever the reasons may be. Please read: John 19:28, 1 Peter 1:20,

John 19:36, prophetic fulfilled by Isaiah the same Prophet that declares GOD's recompense, vengeance, punishment. Romans 11:2,

Luke 4:18,19, Isaiah 53, Luke 4:23-27, Galatians 3:8, Acts 8:32, Mark 15:28, Psalms 22, John 19,

John 19:37, John 20:9, 2 Timothy 3:16, Mark 12:10, John 13:18, John 7:42, John 17:12,

Luke 8:28

Jude 1,

Matthew 25:31-46,

Hi Scott.

God was saving People long before Abraham, There was no Israelite. But to answer your question, Here's one of many of many verses.

Acts 15:7-11. And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

8) And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;

9) And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

10) Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

NOTICE VERSE 11.

11) But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ ( WE SHALL BE SAVED EVEN AS THEY.)

"We shall be saved even as they"

If you're not careful you would think it should be the other way around.

"They shall be saved even as us.

Do you see the order of God's redemption plan spoken of by Paul to the Romans?

Romans 9:25-26.

Romans 9:31-33.

Romans 10:1-4.

Romans 10:19-21.

Romans 11:8-25.

Here's the conclusion.

Romans 11:29-33.

God bless.

Anthony,

Nothing changed, Jesus came only for the lost sheep of Israel because the covenant was only with the house of Israel, it had to be fulfilled before the new covenant could be made. We read Jesus told the woman at the well, salvation is of the Jews, John 4:22. The old covenant had to be satisfied, fulfilled by flesh living a perfect life, the price was paid the contract was completed. Jesus said He was sent only for the lost sheep of Israel, Matthew 15:24.

He also told the apostles not to go but unto the lost sheep of Israel, Matthew 10:6. Even after Jesus ascended, they only went to the Jews until Peter had his dream and Paul was called, this was to fulfill the prophecies. The word given to the Gentiles was still a mystery but as God told Abraham all nations were in the plan, Genesis 26:4. But, yes when Jesus first came was only for the lost sheep of Israel, the covenant had to be confirmed to the Jews first. Daniel 9:27 Romans 1:15-17. It was also to make the Jews jealous and save some as it was written, Romans 11:8-14.

God bless,

RLW

Gigi The only statement I made was that He came for the lost sheep of the House of Israel, but God Knew

they because they being stiff necked and hardhearted were going to reject him which opened the door for all men.

Also he could not have come before He did that is strictly supposition by intellect, he came in the fullness of God

timetable when all the correct elements were in place set up by God in his Wisdom. The other statements you are

making are by assumption. I'll stick with It Is Written! We gentiles got in strictly by the adopted seeds Israels unbelief

Romans 11:17-24 Gods grace which only He knew. But again its choice as to what someone chooses to believe.

Dear "TERRI QUEEN" do not get jealous of yours, no one knows how long it will take before you get any relief in this. I speak from my own experiences.

Remember that in Him there is no injustice. A jealous spirit can destroy much much more. Please see Jesus on the cross in front of you. The blood that was the only sacrifice that could save the world. He did it for you and for me, yes for all of us. That belive in Him.

By His power and strength we get boldness and deny all satanic works.

Self-pity can go in the darkest room, and not return in the Holy Name of Jesus Christ. Amen. Be blessed and not loose your hope.

Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

AMEN! Be blessed in His Holy Name Jesus Christ forever and ever He stay with all of us who want Him.

Romans 11: 29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Brother Dan:

Do you believe God will send sinners to hell:

Is GRACE not what abounds to all men, man says you have to believe, Grace says at each man's appointed time; GRACE will CAUSE you to believe. You don't Chose me, I CHOSE YOU.

Philippians 1:29 For it is GIVEN TO YOU on the behalf of Christ, TO BELIEVE ON HIM....

Brother Dan, you were GRACED, being able to BELIEVE, you are chosen to be a vessel of honour, but God chooses to make some men to be vessels of dishonour.

Does GRACE not also apply to them, and when God GRACES them with BELIEF they will RESPOND.

Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the ELECTION OF GRACE.

Romans 11:6 An if by grace, then it is no more of works, otherwise it is no more grace.....

Romans 11:31 Even so have these also NOT NOW BELIEVED, that through YOUR MERCY they may obtain MERCY.

Obadiah 1:21 And saviours shall come upon mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the LORD'S.

Ephesians 2:7 That in THE AGES TO COME he might show the exceeding riches OF HIS GRACE in his kindness toward us through Jesus Christ.

God Bless You.

Sister GiGi:

1 Timothy 1:10 For therefore we both labour and SUFFER REPROACH, because we believe in the living God, who is the Saviour of ALL MEN, specially those that believe.

Romans 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect.

Romans 11:31 Even so have these also not believe, that through YOUR mercy they may have mercy.

God bless you.

NO ONE CAN BELIEVE OF THEMSELVES

Philippians 1:29 For unto to you IT IS GIVEN on the behalf of Christ, not only TO BELIEVE on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

1 Peter 1:21 WHO BY HIM DO BELIEVE in GOD, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

When we look at the world, we see, most don't believe in God; there is a reason, CHRIST hasn't YET CAUSED THEM TO BELIEVE.

Romans 11:31 Even so have these also now NOT BELIEVED, that through YOUR MERCY they also shall OBTAIN MERCY.

Romans 11:32 For God hath concluded them ALL IN UNBELIEF, that he might have mercy ON ALL.

Christ is ONLY at present calling out a FEW to be PRIEST in his kingdom, on earth and TO JUDGE and PREACH his gospel to all nations, when they are resurrected back to their bodies of flesh.

The called out will have glorified bodies.

Those resurrected back will have flesh and blood bodies, this is there punishment, they will be in torment seeing their GOVERNORS, glorified, and they, flesh and blood, and under SUBJECTION.

Jeremiah 51:19-23

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship at thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Brother Chris, Did not Christ's blood cover all sins of all the world.

Is there not in the age, we are now in, a FEW being called to the priesthood of God's new kingdom.

The three feast in the OLD, was a shadow, they will be fulfilled in the NEW.

Christ died on passover: FULFILLED

The firstfruits were brought as an offering to the Lord at the Feast of Weeks: being FULFILLED in this age

Romans 11:16 If the FIRSTFRUIT (singular)(Christ as the wave sheaf) be holy, the lump is also holy, and if the root be holy, so also the branches.

1 Corinthians 15:23 But EVERY MAN in his order: Christ the FIRSTFRUITS (plural)(those translated to the likeness of Christ)(made as an offering of righteousness at the feast of weeks); afterwards they that ARE CHRIST'S at his coming (when Christ stands once again in his flesh to JUDGE THE WORLD (the feast of tabernacles, when all rest of the harvest was gathered.

And when Christ has put all things under his feet, GOD WILL BE ALL IN ALL.

I'm not nearly as good at expressing explanations through words as you are, but I know you knowledge of scripture

will compensate for my lack of communication.

God bless you.