Discuss Romans 12 Page 2

  • T Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Lynn Pitts,

    I'm hoping GOD pulled through for you with shelter over your head. I had a dream last night that I was asking a US retired Marine, to show me how to survive outside, without freezing. I was weeping, (because our situation is dire in real life & in the dream) he started to show me & started to set things up, upon a sheltered rock. I declared urgently "Wait! I have 3 children, this needs to protect them too!" Then he picked the materials up & the situation changed. Later in the dream, I was holding that retired Marine in my arms weightlessly up in water & helping baptize him. Leading him in the walk of a believer in the LORD & Word of GOD. The leader that was supposed to be doing the baptism seemed to be saying things & doing things wrongly. I quickly submerged the Marine under water declaring scripture. He stayed very close to me until a woman needed my help. Then I went with her, helping her fight the evil attacks against her. I'm not sure what the dreams I've been having mean fully, but I came across your prayer request again & I'm going out on a limb thinking it may be connected. I believe many of us that help here on this site, will pray about dire situations but don't have a response we feel is good enough encouragement to post. I have pondered scripture & prayer for you a couple of times. I've even tried to reach out to Samaritan's Purse Ministry on your behalf but my message failed to send in their platform.

    We're in a difficult season to say the least. We will make it through these times! I believe it! We need each other in these times & in the days & years ahead. This is a place like: Philippians 2, Philippians 3:10-21, Romans 12:1-13, Ephesians 3:16-21, 2Timothy 2:1-3, James 5:10-11, 2Corinthians 11:25-27, Matthew 8:19-20,

    I was reassured in my spirit, these difficult oppressive moments I'm facing are for others. It's a bigger better plan. 2Corinthians 4, Psalms 139, Psalms 37,

    Hopefully these are all helpful
  • A. - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Philippians 4:13 kjv, Romans 12:19-21 kjv.
  • Richard H Priday - 2 years ago
    Sin and the multifaceted aspects vs. the Spirit filled life

    Surely; our sins will find us out ( Numbers 32:23). As will all things we say in the closet will be spoken on the rooftops ( Luke 12:3). Even Paul struggled as he said that he continued to do things that he hates ( Romans 7:15).

    As long as we exist in these mortal fallable bodies our capacity for sin remains. That will; of course be done away with when the "perishable puts on the imperishable" ( 1 Cor. 15:53-57). As for now; we must remain "proactive" in order to catch things at the pass before they affect our minds; and then take a foothold on our souls.

    The imaginations of men and the mind is where Satan takes a foothold. Romans 12:2 tells us to be thus "transformed by the renewing of our minds."

    To understand sin we must see the root of the problem that is; our sin "nature". Such a term isn't specifically used in scripture; but we see how the "INTENT of the thoughts of their hearts were only evil continually." ( Gen. 6:5). I highlighted the word intent to show that there is a deliberate desire to sin; once men are totally unrestrained and we see this reflected in society today. Such behaviors also result in what happens in Romans 1:32 where sins of others are celebrated; as it were. Such is evident in many movements and demonstrations today.

    There are specific ways in which sins have a stronghold; these include repeated patterns and established habits; family upbringing; demonic influence as to enhanced appeal of sensual and other experiences (or "highs") whether drug induced or not; music; support from friends; and other individual circumstances. The difference; of course between a true Christian and the rest of the world is that now we have the choice to pursue His righteousness and live in grace as the Holy Spirit sanctifies us. This allows us to be "treasure in earthen vessels" ( 2 Cor. 4:7) living out our days in fear (see 1 Peter 1:17).

    More on walking in faith later.
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Galatians 3:7 certainly could be an answer to your question. It isn't merely the physical descendants of Abraham who are true children of God ( Romans 9:7-10). God has a remnant that He saves from both the Old and New Dispensations ( 1 Kings 19); Matthew 7:21).

    Keep in mind also the difference between physically being preserved for a time and spiritual deliverance. These are both realities for the children of God in reverse order. In New Testament times as with Old many are called but few chosen ( Matt. 22:14). There are other verses showing how some experience some of the benefits of being in God's presence ( Hebrews 6:4) are still not ultimately saved. The parable of the sower and the seed illustrate this fact showing how the seed of truth must eventually not only take root but produce fruit. God enables that His Spirit reproduces good fruit in our lives as evidence that it is indwelling; not merely an external event. Hence all true believers are "sealed" until the Day of Redemption ( Ephesians 4:30).

    In God's Providence there are some; such as the 1/3 that are preserved "going through the fire" ( Zechariah 13:9) who appear to make it physically through the Tribulation to repopulate the earth in the Millennium. That will include the handful of Gentiles that make it; although man is said in general to be "rarer than the gold of Ophir" who makes it through that way ( Isaiah 13:12).

    Thus; these verses and a multitude of others makes it imperative that we "test ourselves to see if we are in the faith". ( 2 Corinthians 13:5). I personally believe that through God's sanctification process we all must get beyond our initial excitement over being a new believer as well as the trials of persecution AND temptations of the world to be "tested and approved" as true believers as part of the process of chastisement as God's adopted children. ( Romans 12:2; etc). The end of all those called and chosen in Him is glorification (read all of Romans 8:30).

    Hope this helps.
  • GiGi - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Ronald, nice to hear from you. Good reply.

    We are called to not imitate the world, but Christ. So, just as the Israelites were not to imitate the ungodly practices of the surrounding nations, we are not to imitate the practices of the world that are ungodly, also. I don't think we need to live a "separatist's" lifestyle like some sects do, but we should, in our dress and conduct stand out as godly people who fear and honor God in all we do. We are to love not the world and the lusts of it, but to love what God has determined to be good and decent, setting ourselves apart as holy unto the Lord, as the Israelites were set apart for God and His purposes.

    John 8:23; Romans 12:2; 1 John 2:15

    Ronald, I hope you are doing well. Hope to hear from you more often.
  • Richard H Priday - 2 years ago
    Further insight on the intimate relationship betweeen God and His children.

    In the life of Christ; we see the perfect example for our own lives; that is Christ doing nothing except the Father's will. ( John 5:19). We are likewise instructed to learn to do the "good and perfect will of God" as described at the end of Romans 12:2.

    I would strongly urge everyone here to study and memorize Romans 12:1-2 as it is a "package deal" in regard to what I am saying here and of course; more importantly the will of God for our lives after we are saved and being sanctified. We are "aliens" in this world and pilgrims if we are His own ( 1 Peter 2:11-12). This requires due diligence to not only fight indwelling sin; but to realize that the whole world system and those "powers and principalities" running it ( Eph. 6:12) are enemies which we fight against as the Spirit contends against the flesh. Without understanding the source of our temptations which as belivers is Satan then we are unable to recognize things that are affecting our "vain imaginations" ( Romans 1:21) as with the rest of the unregenerate to find solace and comfort in this world and what is seen by our eyes and promoted as things that will make us content. The enemy can only affect us if we allow access through our mind and senses to give him a stronghold; so that is why we need to have an Ephesians 6 mindset. Ephesians 6:16 on the fiery darts of the enemy and our shield of armor in the spiritual realm is particularly vital.

    Sadly we have the natural tendency to look on things that are pleasing to our eyes (such as attractive women) and thus we need to ask God to show us how following His good and perfect will means we are to love those we are naturally repulsed toward and to find our greatest joys in service toward His Body which He purchased with His own blood ( Acts 20:28). That verse makes it clear that it is His church rather than our own. That comes from a proper fear of the Lord and a mature walk.
  • T Levis - In Reply on Ruth 3 - 2 years ago
    Hello Kobe Southern,

    Interestingly, after studying scripture I've noticed, GOD gave mankind dominion, on Earth. Genesis 1:26,27,28, GOD didn't take that dominion away, people have misused their powers. They/we will all give account: Revelation 1:5-8, Romans 14:12, Daniel 4:3,34, Matthew 25:31-46, Matthew 18,

    Jesus was here to show us how to bring His Kingdom the Kingdom of GOD on Earth, with Love, John 3:16-21, John 13:34, Romans 12:10, 1John 4:7,12, 1Peter 3:8, John 15:17, James 2:13-17, Luke 13:34,

    one day all dominion will go to Christ: 1Corinthians 15:20-28, Romans 16:20,

    Galatians 4:1-8, Colossians 3:21,

    Matthew 20:25-28, Ephesians 1, (whole chapters) 1Peter 4, Jude 1,

    Jesus gave all that believe in him, authority under heaven: from GOD ALMIGHTY: Matthew 28:18-20, Matthew 6, Luke 11, Mark 3:15, Acts 4:30,31, Luke 9:2,

    We all have power in the natural if even just to comfort someone else, & as we grow in faith, supernatural power in prayer, through GOD & Christ Jesus our Savior.

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • Richard H Priday - 2 years ago
    The Holy Spirit (introduction)

    When the Spirit dwells in an individual in our current Dispensation a foreign righteousness enters our world. He uses the most subtle means and is often quite gentle; but make no mistake. He's not there to do anything less than cause the death of our old nature and all the desires of the flesh. How willingly we submit will determine our spiritual rewards or lack thereof; and could even shorten our life if we aren't careful ( 1 Cor. 11:30). I HIGHLY recommend new believers to examine Paul's writings to the Corinthians after gaining a basic understanding of the Gospels. There is much to learn there about maturity; church discipline and many common problems still relevant today involving cultural surroundings and the affect on those who are new creatures in Christ. 1 Corinthians 4:21 gives the question if Paul would be preferred to come with a "rod of discipline" and this can be applied to the Lord Himself chastising us as we grow in faith. He is the "Captain" of the ship and therefore of our souls ( Heb. 2:10).

    The mystery of God involves how God can dwell with man; the infinite with finite flesh ( 1 Cor. 3:16-17). As long as we are on earth; this paradox of foreign righteousness contends with the flesh and we are torn between the two. Christ; then IS our righteousness ( 1 Cor. 1:30) but the source comes from without. We die daily ( 1 Cor. 15:31) as we are transformed by the renewing of our mind ( Romans 12:2).

    The church was built with the plan for the Body to be "fitted together" ( 1 Cor. 12:18 and also Ephesians 4:16). Once we get past the melee which was the state of the Corinthians as a "motley crew" that had to be disciplined we are in theory to build one another up. That involves the strong in faith teaching the weak ( Titus 2:4-6) (and apparently 84 other verses in scripture specifically relating to women in that role!) as well as exhortation; rebuke; and reproving ( 2 Tim. 4:2); as well as sympathy ( Rom. 12:15)
  • T Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Philippians 4:4, Psalms 68:3, 1Thessalonians 5:5-24,

    Romans 12:5-21,

    Not forgetting: James 2:15-20,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • T Levis - In Reply on Psalms 94 - 2 years ago
    Psalms 25:4,5, Psalms 37, Matthew 6, Psalms 86:11, Psalms 143:10, Isaiah 26:3, Romans 12:2, Luke 11:1-13

    2Corinthians 13:11, Romans 10:17,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • T Levis - In Reply on Romans 12 - 2 years ago
    King David was called a man after GOD's heart, GOD loved & honored King David even after his adultery & muderous cover-up, attempt. 2Samuel 11, 1Kings 11:4, Acts 13:22,

    Psalms 38, Psalms 40, Psalms 51, David sought after GOD

    However, David didn't get away with anything, without consequences: 2Samuel 12, because of the severity of his sin as stated by Nathan in 2Samuel 12, the "sword did not depart" from his house._._

    The punishment for adultery Old Testament was death 2Samuel 12:13, but GOD spared David's life

    GOD doesn't take delight in death but that everyone should turn from unrighteousness! Ezekiel 33:11, Ezekiel 18:32, 1John 1:9,

    Malachi 2:13-16, Proverbs 5,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • Free - In Reply on Romans 12 - 2 years ago
    Dear Mark it is in this life that we must look after and make peace with God and man.

    Thank you for putting your life in Jesus Christ right now and having full confidence that He is bringing you home. In Him we become perfect, stay strong love u in christ.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Romans 12 - 2 years ago
    Mark,

    A person can only be saved once. If a born-again (saved) believer sins, that believer does not lose their salvation. If that were the case, we would lose our salvation quite frequently (if that were even possible).

    Once a believer sins against God, that believer needs to confess their sin and ask for forgiveness. The believer is still saved but they have broken fellowship with God by committing sin against Him. The relationship with God will never change. It's the fellowship that has been broken. But by confessing that sin and asking God for forgiveness, He alone can restore the lost fellowship (not lost salvation).

    Now, "Will the LORD show mercy and forgives his sins?" 1 John 1:9 says, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." So the answer is yes!

    If a true (born-again) believer continues in sin, God is going to deal with them, and sometimes His discipline can be pretty harsh, but He will never take away their salvation.

    Salvation is spoken of in scripture as present tense. A person who has been born of God's Spirit has eternal life. Something that is eternal cannot be broken, or lost and re-gained!
  • Pastor Dave - In Reply on Romans 12 - 2 years ago
    If Gods grace was based on my sin then could I ever be saved? If I could loose my Salvation then is Gods grace not good enough? If I could loose my Salvation then what sin would tear me away? What about a little white lie, what about that look you know you shouldn't have done? Gods grace isnt based on my sin but his sacrifice and it is sufficient. If you truely believed with ALL your heart and repented from your way then you are saved. So then what about when I sin while I'm saved? What relationship did David have with God while he was in his great sin? It was greatly diminished because "If I regard iniquity in my heart the Lord will not hear me". So the pathway isnt to be saved (unless you never were) but back to restored relationship. Unfortunately this isnt an over night fix, it may be on your end with confession to God but God isnt looking for moments of faith but faithfulness which is continual. Adultery is such a deep and divisive sin that patience and faithfulness is the answer. This does not mean there are not earthly consequences ie. destroyed relationships between spouse, children, friends etc. Living with those consequences and moving forward is the key. David Lost his son and valuable fellowship with God but read his confession in Psalm 51.

    So what to do now then? What every Christian should be doing. Confess with all your being then daily die to self and uplift God, put the welfare of others above your own. Rest in what he has done not what you can do. Read Gods word, pray on your knees with tears, even fast. But be patient, he will "exalt you in due time."

    God bless
  • Adam - In Reply on Romans 12 - 2 years ago
    Hi Mark,

    I don't believe anyone is "saved" until we're judged by God after this life. If we're genuinely following Jesus in this life I believe we can have assurance of salvation. Lots of verses say this. But a genuine Christian should no longer a slave to sin- that doesn't mean we're free to commit sin, but the opposite. We're instead the Bible says we're to be slaves to righteousness. That doesn't mean we're earning anything, but means we're obeying as a real Christian should. I think many will assume they're following Jesus, but aren't. I think most don't take obedience very seriously and on judgment day will be shocked they aren't allowed to spend eternity with God in heaven. The reason I think this is because of what it says in the Bible. Matthew 7:21. Most people will go to hell, because that's what the Bible says.

    God has an entirely different standard than the moral standard of this evil world. People assume committing sins is ok, but God hates sin. And many people keep committing sins intentionally. Many want to feel assured and validated for their sins as if its ok, but its really not ok. Not even close. God absolutely hates sin. It's disgusting and a slap in His face, a total defying of His commands. And satan has deceived many into believing that obeying God is "bad", but obeying the world is "ok." People will use all kinds of mental gymnastics to soothe themselves so they perceive themselves as a "good person," but that's a lie. All have sinned and have fallen short of God's standard. We are desperately in need of Jesus. Jesus saves His flock, but it doesn't say the Bible saves the wolves. Many are wolves and actually convinced themselves they're part of the flock. No, they are wolves. Most everyone in the world is one.

    I don't know if you're asking for yourself or for someone else or neither, but hope this is helpful. It's written in love. Many are looking for validation, but truth is more important. Salvation may be at stake.
  • Duncan - In Reply on Romans 12 - 2 years ago
    Repentance is the way to start for God has said. in proverbs 28:13

    13Whoever conceals their sins does not prosper,

    but the one who confesses and renounces them finds mercy.

    You also need to take up the whole armor of God. for this way by his word, you will be able to with stand when your being tempted.

    Remember his words is a light to our path and God has said if you obey and incline to his word. the word will keep you from stumbling.

    This is done by praying without ceasing by reading his word and by fasting humbling yourself through fasting.

    Ephesians 6:13-24

    13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

    Lastly God is merciful, and he cares for you. Remember Jesus took your place at the cross so that you might receive his righteousness.

    2 Corinthians 5:21

    For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

    So don't give up but kneel down and call to HIM and repent your sins for He who began a good work in you will see it to completion.

    Sin has no dominion over you. amen
  • Sammi - In Reply on Romans 12 - 2 years ago
    You must admit your sin . You didn't 'fall' into adultery , you commited it . I'm assuming it's you yourself , so have you confessed to your wife ? Are you genuinely sorry that you deliberately and knowingly sinned against God ? If the answer is 'yes' , then you may be forgiven , all things are possible with God so you must always have hope and talk to Him about it . Remember , He knows your heart .
  • Alyssa Pang - In Reply on Romans 12 - 2 years ago
    I hope so, Mark. Life is hard without Christ, isn't it? I got saved a day ago. Mark, my husband acts like you. He agrees with you. I hope you get your wishes. Wishes seem to come true. You will go to Heaven someday, Mark.
  • Mark on Romans 12 - 2 years ago
    What should a believer who has fallen into adultery do to be saved again. Will the LORD show mercy and forgives his sins?

    Thank you.
  • Mark on Romans 12 - 2 years ago
    What should a believer who has fallen into adultery do to be saved again. Will the LORD show mercy and forgives his sins?

    Thank you.
  • Shepherdsheep - 2 years ago
    Praying

    Psalm 51:1-2

    king James version

    Have mercy upon me O god,

    According to Your lovingkindness;according to the multitude of Your tender mercies,blot out my transgressions.

    Wash me thoroughly from my iniquity,and cleanse me from my sin."

    Psalm 51:16

    king James version

    For thou desirest not sacrifice;else would I give it:thou delightest not in burnt offering.

    Romans 12:1

    I beseech you therefore,brethren,by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice,holy,acceptable unto God,which is your reasonable service.
  • Adam - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Dear Sammi,

    I'm sorry to hear this has happened. I think you are handling it better than I would, and I think everyone would struggle with this.

    2 verses come to mind:

    Romans 12:19 - To me this means that there are 24/7 injustices in this world, because there is sin. People assume they are "getting ahead" in the short term and yes, they probably feel good about themselves for the moment, but the reality is this life is extremely short and it could all end today. And all our moral choices will be judged fairly. While it seems like people are getting away with doing wrong, they aren't. No one is getting away with anything. 100% will be fully disclosed before God and He will judge accordingly.

    Matthew 6:19 - While we need money to live- for food shelter, etc, we don't need more than what we need. Anything in excess is a risk that we will begin to have wrong motives. It's harder for a rich man to enter heaven. And the love of money is evil. Greed is sin. It's like playing with fire. Nothing wrong with being financially successful and secure, but temptations will be great. We must be on guard.

    May God bless you and have peace in your heart knowing that God is watching and knows all. He knows exactly what your family has done. But your family probably doesn't know that God is watching them and noticing their motives. Pray for them because they will be judged for this.
  • Richard H Priday - 2 years ago
    Knowledge of good and evil part 4.

    The conclusion is that once Adam and any one of us started in the course of sin; then the mind was permanently ingrained with that memory; and all the desires to repeat such actions were the default mode against which there was no effective resistance apart from the Spirit of God. God would "wink" at certain things ( Acts 17:30) as specifically referring to idol worship. There were some such as Rachel in the O.T. who would be with God's people but secretly carrying family idols with her. There are other things such as "concubines" which no matter how culturally defined basically were "politically correct" versions of harlots. The situation of multiple wives and such brings out the unique situation when at first there was only a sister for instance; for Cain to marry.

    We can look at the ancient conquests and widespread carnage; and go through much angst with the tough verses where God Himself commanded widespread slaughter. That is a subject which I may have touched on and could some more in the future.

    What IS certain; however is that much of these things were due to sins that Israel specifically committed and of course the book of James states that people war because they lust after things they cannot have. ( James 4:2). We also had a national political and religious state where the law of the land was to be enforced directly from God's commandments. Again; there is a level of responsibility that His Covenant people had above any other nations; but the same principles are involved.

    In general; there has to be a submission to God's authority involving a trust relationship which is based on His Covenant(s); namely today in the New Covenant that Christ has brought into effect. ( Heb. 9:15). All good gifts come from God above ( James 1:17). That is referring specifically to spiritual gifts; but certainly all blessings in life have Him as the source.

    Let us follow Romans 12:2 and be transformed by renewal of mind.
  • Richard H Priday - 2 years ago
    Proper view on impreccatory Psalms and scriptures on hell (part 2)

    Looking further into this topic; we certainly should be "thrust out" to proclaim the Gospel with these eternal realities made clear to us. Unfortunately; with today's watered down; and/or politically correct version of scripture we are somehow believing that we can have our "best life now." We can more accurately say with the eternal weight of glory ( 2 Cor. 4:17) that we are living our "worst life now." What is best; however is realizing that our old life is DEAD ( Gal. 2:20) and that our life is in the Spirit. The fear of death no longer haunts us ( Heb. 2:14-15) so we are able to tell others the Good News.

    Our thoughts need to be His thoughts; this gives us a clearer understanding of praying in the Spirit things that are honoring to God and truly petitioning what His covenants promise as servants of God. Trusting God even when we need to say or do things that go against our natural minds may be a process. If we DON'T seek Him on these tough topics; then really the only other method of "fire and brimstone" preaching is utilizing our self righteousness to stir up anger. Without the love of Christ; therefore we are truly a clanging cymbal. Only in His love can we demonstrate that He has overcome the world within our own hearts and souls. When the love of Christ causes all sorts of resistance ( Matt. 5:44) then we truly are heaping coals of fire on someone ( Romans 12:20 quoting Prov. 25). To overcome; therefore we must avoid at all costs any of our own self-righteousness and anger; nonetheless a holy indignation is certainly necessary in many cases when the nation at large is so wicked. In conclusion; therefore there are national and corporate sins; and individual which both involve a call but for those chosen the truth is opened up. Let it be therefore the Spirit not us which is the two-edged sword ( Heb. 4:12) and not our own cutting words.

    Have a blessed day.

    Agape. RIch P
  • Giannis - 2 years ago
    Romans 12:9-18

    "Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good. Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another; Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord; Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer; Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality. Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not. Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep. Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits. Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men. If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men."
  • Richard H Priday - 2 years ago
    Spiritual discernment part 6

    Encouragement and the lack thereof within the Body of Christ

    It has been said that a Prophet is never honored in his own hometown in Luke 4:24. This is in regard to faith; as opposed to unbelief. Mark 9:24 shows the proper response to those seeking more faith in "helping with my unbelief". Since we are not God and only have a slight understanding "seeing as through a mirror darkly" ( 1 Cor 13:12) we can't necessarily diagnose what is true unbelief nor have the Spirit "without measure" ( John 3:34) as Christ did. If we look at outer circumstances and misuse verses to convince people that they should be healthy and wealthy then we may bring unnecessary discouragement to those who need a "merry heart" ( Prov. 17:22) for healing purposes. We don't bring things forth as some seem to cleim through words as the "name it and claim it" or blab it and grab it crowd would like us to believe. Or; more aptly put we should seek the "worst life now" as the countercultural resistance to the opposing camp (I'll leave it at that).

    Recognizing potential in the gifting and talents of others seems like a rare thing today. Since we are all called to edify one another ( Romans 12:4-5) there should be a joint effort as part of the army of Christ; salt and light of the world we are called to be. This should be the duties of elders but we all have responsibilities. The giver of the gifts; of course is more crucial than the gift itself but we shouldn't have to sacrifice gifts because there are those who don't find it expedient to believe in such things.

    As with anything else; as the old song goes we need to know when to hold; fold; walk or run away with the cards on the table in our hand. If the Spirit isn't present or welcome in a place of fellowship it is no mystery; sin is in the camp (Read Joshua 7).

    This eliminates the effectiveness of a ministry. There is still hope if some truth is preached and at least a few still living in true faith.
  • Richard H Priday on Psalms 57 - 2 years ago
    Psalm 57. James 3:6 is one of the first things I notice a parallel to with verse 4. There are other verses describing animals prophetic of those surrounding Christ during the crucifixion in Psalm 22:12-13. Here in this Psalm we once again are given in the intro. the information that this was written during David's cave retreat as happened multiple times with Saul's insanity.

    We see crying in verse 2 and singing in verses 7-8; finally praise in verse 9 with the resulting appreciation of mercy and truth (v.10) with His name exalted in the last verse. These are solid Biblical approaches to persecution; as we see when Paul was incarcerated in Acts 16:25-28 along with Silas; it in fact led to deliverance.

    Ecclesiastes 9:12 and a host of other verses describe men being caught in nets due to their own sin. (see Job 18:5-9; Isaiah 24:18). "Vengeance is mine; I shall repay" is in Deuteronomy 32:35 and quoted in Romans 12:19. It is important to remember David's attitude toward "God's anointed" (see 1 Samuel 24). Even when Saul died David still mourned over him. This attitude of loving our enemies should characterize our lives while we still proclaim the truth that indeed the Day of His wrath is coming; and only through the cross will we escape.
  • T Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Romans 12:12, Acts 6:4, Hebrews 13:15, 1 Thessalonians 5:17,

    John 17, James 1, James 2,

    Matthew 5:23,24,44, Matthew 6:5-34, Mark 11:24, Luke 18:1-14, Matthew 17:15-21, Mark 9:17-29,

    Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21:36,

    Hope these are helpful
  • Giannis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hello Spencer

    WORSHIPPING IN TRUTH AND IN SPIRIT. What does that mean? Let's try to see it through sacrificies. In The Old Testament times the Jews were going to the Temple of Solomon and worshiped God by offering sacrifices. We do the same, but the sacrifices are different now.

    Romans 12:1-2 "I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a LIVING SACRIFICE, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."

    So we offer ourselves as living sacrifices, a pure life full of God's Spirit.

    1 Peter 2:5 "Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up SPIRITUAL SACRIFICES, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ" We have a spiritual Temple/House now ("Temple" in grk (Naos) means "Place of Residence") and as priest we offer our prayers for people as spiritual sacrifices to Father God.

    Rev 5:8 "And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of ODOURS, which are the prayers of saints"

    Rev 8:3 "And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the GOLDEN ALTAR which was before the throne"

    So, again, our prayers stand as spiritual sacrifices.

    Hebrews 13:15 "By him therefore let us offer the SACRIFICE OF PRAISE to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name." Although a more accurate translation is "confessing His name" So confessing, praising and thanksgiving are also spiritual sacrifices.

    Thus filling ourselves with the Spirit of God (since we have no ability to do anything on our own) and staying in the Truth of God's written Word is worshipping God now(as well)

    GBU.
  • Richard H Priday - 2 years ago
    Part 4 Cross references and applications.

    The application of scripture is also in regard to say various ordinances in the O.T. case specific for the nation of Israel at that time; and that in regard to the ceremonial cleanness and rules and regulations for animal sacrifices which were only a temporary fix for the sin issue which ultimately pointed to the cross at Calvary. The 10 commandments on the other hand have universal applications with the exception of the day of worship which I feel Matthew 12:8 covers. The concept of marriage; for instance is fairly universal and hence as we see with the case of John the Baptist confronting Herod ( Luke 3:19) or God causing plagues on the ruler of Egypt ( Genesis 12:17) we see that even pagans were held to a certain standard of the law. We may see this also in the case of Judges 1:7 where even a pagan realized that what was done to others now was being done to him. This takes some wisdom as well; as we are supposed to if at all possible to remain peaceable upon all men and to respect authority. (see Romans 12:18).

    We should certainly take things literally that are repeated in scripture such as verses in Deuteronomy on the giants; since other scriptures elaborate on the subject (such as 1 Samuel 17). Same concept for the demons mentioned in Revelation; for example. This has an eschatological ramification as well; for scripture makes it clear that there is nothing new under the sun. ( Ecclesiastes 1:9). We can make all sorts of inferences when we see the descriptions in scripture of those who are said to be affected by demons (i.e. psychological analysis) but we shouldn't do violence to clear meanings because of a myopic viewpoint (as I stated before).

    Another possible error is if a more recent archaeological site makes a previous interpretation archaic as to the time frame when or where a certain event or place with the same or similar name occurred.


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