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Hello Doug. Just to add to brothers Rick & Kent's wise advice, my thoughts first turn to 1 Corinthians 9:24-27. This speaks of not just a disciplined body to run the spiritual race before us, but we must note that the Apostle Paul's first act was to engage his mind in that direction. Without being fully convinced & fully focussed on winning the race, all other exercises to attain our goal will ultimately fail. Every professional athlete knows that it is both mind & body that are exercised & engaged to win the prize. A body that is prepared, but with a mind wandering on the concerns of family & other matters, or with having some doubt of winning, has already set a precedent for failure.

And when Paul tells us in Romans 12:2, "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God", he speaks of changing the focus from off worldly matters & pursuits (though, we must still live in the world). Paul uses the Greek word that we know as 'metamorphosis', or to transform or change into a "new creature" ( 2 Corinthians 2:7) by first causing our minds to be renewed (re-focussed; in a new direction). And this can only happen when we first determine this in our hearts & minds, allowing God's Spirit to take full control, thereby causing us to have power to live for Christ & to live to make Christ known. And indeed, as already been said, our minds need to feed on God's Word that our spirits might be refreshed daily, giving "proof (in our hearts) of that good, acceptable & perfect Will of God" in our lives.

Hi Doug,

You renew your mind by reading and staying focused on the word of God. It will change your way of thinking to better align it with God's thinking.

Hi Doug Work the word daily and keep it first in everything you do. In practice work the Church Epistles they are written to us in this the age of grace the body of Christ,also the gospels then old testament. Its all Gods Word giving you my perspective. The church epistles give the doctrine reproof and correction on walking by the spirit in the body of Christ, Romans is the magna carta of Christianity, Ephesians is the spiritual pinnacle and Thessalonians is the gathering together or also whats known as the rapture of the body when Christ returns and we're taken up. God Bless

How do you renew your mind?

I need clarification on the word conceits Romans 12:16.

It appears as though I am in need of a remedies for gas symptoms which keep occuring. It rushed me to emergency when I was younger. I would like prayer for a cure of the root of the problem as well as having my memory not fail me when I need to recall something. A renewed mind as they state in Romans 12:2...signed Ms. J. Davis

Hi Dan, thanks for your comments. Please know that my response is given in love with my only intention to glorify the Lord.

I understand what you are saying about not turning down service providers based on if they are believers or not, I certainly would not turn down bypass surgery or roof repair because the provider was not a believer; however, those services are quite different than "spiritual" or "mind" service providers. Heart surgery or roof repair is not doctrine or the word of God and has nothing to do with salvation or living a Godly life or solving behavioral (heart) problems ( Jeremiah 17:9, Mark 7:20-23).

When it comes to obeying the Lord and following His word, psychology just seems to be a secular (and ungodly) look at behavior. It is an attempt to explain why we do things and what the solution is without referring to God and His word. Psychology is an invention from worldly men who denied Jesus Christ (people like Freud, Wundt, Jung, Skinner, etc). Some psychologists even merge the word of God and secular theory which seems unbiblical to me (we are to be set apart from this world - John 15:19, Romans 12:1-3, 1 John 2:15-17).

I guess what I am really asking is - to put it how you were phrasing it - if someone was 'sick' (spiritually) why would they go to a secular physician (psychologist) and not a spiritual physician (Jesus)? We even have a behavioral manual (the Word). The bible seems to continually say that the Lord and His word are sufficient, exactly what we need and that we should avoid the wisdom of men ( 2 Timothy 2:15-16, 2 Timothy 3:16, 1 Peter 2:25, Hebrews 4:14-16, Isaiah 55:7-9). 1 Corinthians 2:11-16. When we become a Christian, we have the mind of Christ, which is spiritual - not worldly. Jesus is our counselor ( Isaiah 9:6) and he knows us ( John 2:25).

It seems that as a Christian we either believe that the word of God is sufficient for all spiritual problems or we don't.

BTW - this is not for me, it involves a family member.

Hahaha ! A giant swimming pool full of puke ! You have a fab way with words Grace , thankyou for making me laugh and also cringe !

What's scary is a life outside of Jesus.

Search out other young people who love reading the Bible. And anything to do with Jesus or God.

Don't hear their words cuz if they say they love Jesus or are saved but don't have any good fruit like reading Bible ,praying, worshipping

( which usually includes looking upward and smiling with that sparkling I love you look in the eyes).

And get saved out loud. Yes, in front of the church.

Living life without Jesus is like swimming in a giant pool of other peoples puke mixed with your own! In other words, it's just awful! And it will make you feel that awful too.

Jesus loves you. Take a step of faith. Be bold!

Jesus is the one calling you. I felt exactly like you do. Like everyone was staring at me. They aren't. It just feels that way.

Even tho you can't see Him, Jesus is at the front of the church. Walk towards him. Receive His salvation in a prayer. Write the date inside your Bible. Start reading it in the Book of John.

He will never leave you, no matter what happens.

We are here to answer any questions you need answers for.

I love this Bible it's so helpful in church I just whip out safari! But, I have a question I'm 12 so I prayed to myself and I think I'm saved and don't know if it means I am and,what if I'm scared to go and get saved??!!

Mr. Daubenspeck, I will try my best to answer your question.

I Samuel

I Samuel 2:28

It appears that people rejected GOD, HIS people

I Samuel 2:17

I Samuel 3:14

I Samuel 7:3

I Samuel 8:6-7

Could this have been the prophetic end of the sacrifice to GOD?

I Samuel 8:7-20

Malachi 3:8 -10

Romans 12:1 , Luke 11:42 , Matthew 23:23 ,

Isaiah 58

Hebrews 8:3

Hebrews 9:12

Hebrew 10:6

Hebrews 13:15

Hopefully that helps in your study.

Hi Sydney, I prayed for you.

I noticed what you wrote "I don't create my own belief. I understand that I must be born again, and that it is totally a gift from the Holy Spirit." and thought I'd share my belief as well.

I'm not sure what you mean by you don't create your own belief. Believing is a choice. We are given freewill to choose who we want to follow and whether to obey. I choose to follow and obey Jesus Christ. John 14:15

Some believe faith is a gift. We can gain faith through hearing the Word of God as it says in Romans 10:17. This verse indicates that God can control the measure of faith we have: Romans 12:3. Some interpret Ephesians 2:8-9 as faith as being a gift, but I believe it means salvation is the gift. I believe we already have the freewill to choose and we gain faith through reading God's Word, just like it says.

Do you want to follow Christ? Have you read the Bible verses about how to do that? Link

Dear brother IMKANE,

We are all sinners.God loves all of us! We are all brothers and sisters in Christ!

1 John 4:20

"If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?"

Romans 12:10

"Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;"

I love you, and I will pray for you my brother.

God Bless

Pedophilia people, zoophilia people, furries gays, and clothing optonal people are not Sodomites. They are wanting one person to be a condeming judge.

Proverbs 3:32-34

King James Version

32 For the froward is abomination to the Lord: but his secret is with the righteous. Genesis 19:9 9And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door. 2 Peter 2:7

"And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:"

King James Version. Proverbs 3:32: For the froward is abomination to the Lord: but his secret is with the righteous." People are froward - forceful with their words and actions to spesific people. Matthew 11:12

"And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force." People are forceful toward the people I mentioned. Islamic People don't like what I teach. The catholic church does not say what I teach. Pedophilia people are not like either one of them. Whatever you do unto the least of these my brethren, you are doing it unto me. Romans 12:2

"And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God." People s think God's will is: You are associated with that name: die, or you are a pedophile or a sex offender, when a young person just so happens to see parts, that made their life to be a reality.,

Brother Dan I'm a great believer in Grace and Faith But, in action its still summed up in Thou shalt love Lord thy God with all your heart soul mind and strength on these hang all the law and the prophets. So we are saved by grace but if you don't put on the word in the renewed mind Romans 12:2 which is our work or reasonable service than you will not produce the fruits of righteousness. Faith without works is indeed dead. But there's a big difference between work by inspiration and work by perspiration. First one is by faith our spiritual man second one is works natural man 2 Corinthians 10: 4+5 the battle field is the mind. In His Service

I perceive Mike, that your motive to help this person is one of love, of a real need existing there & of your commitment. Not knowing what type of backlash you face each time, whether from that person or others, if you believe that your help that comes out of your heart for that person is greater than the repercussions you face, then you must continue to render help. If it's getting too much for you, then you may need to step back, keep the matter & person(s) in prayer, & seek to be led of the Lord in your ministry of "helps".

Romans 12:20 may not be the same situation you're facing, but it gives an important principle: "if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head." It really means, that even if a known person hates or despises you, if that person is in need, your Christian love will still reach out to him. Why? Because we look at the need of the person rather than the anger in his eyes. In like manner, the Gospel has gone out to the farthest lands; not because of anyone's desire to be rejected, injured or killed, but because of the desperated need of the lost soul for the saving Message that can only be met by going out & doing - not waiting & remaining indifferent.

If you are truly concerned & passionate about helping others, you will look beyond the thoughtless or reckless actions of others, & only see the present need. The Lord sees your heart & motives - He is well able to use your loving efforts to bring blessing to another (as you have probably done already), not only in the physical realm but also in ministering to another's spirit. May the Lord lead you in this matter & comfort you in your struggle & pain.

Earl You state we believers have no choice, if you mean in the category of what we choose to do for God, Romans 12:2 Be not conformed to this world is a choice, Romans 12: 16 Be of the same mind one towards another is a choice, verse 21 be not overcome with evil but overcome evil with good, its a choice. What we have in our pots or vessels is perfect what an individual chooses to do with the gift is choice. I agree that in the end Gods Will his word will be done by those who choose by there freedom of will to do His will and spread the Gospel, and I understand that unbelievers are doing what he knows because God is all knowing in that sense I understand what your stating. In that capacity all still have a choice. In His Service

Believing Romans 10:9+10 with the heart mind and mouth is the beginning, Romans 12:1+2 is the lifetime part we are always putting off the world and putting on the word.

Earl I do understand your scripture but you are saying that when we get born again we instantly think like Christ then why do we still sin, because if we had perfect spiritual minds we would have perfect spiritual thoughts and walk by the spirit perfectly, then why does it say in Romans 12:2 Renew your mind, also your Right it says let this mind be in you it doesn't say it's instant, also 2 Corinthians 10:5 bring every thought to the obedience of Christ. The apostle Paul wrote about it in Romans 7:15-23 in verse 23 he says warring against the law of my mind. There's an old saying ideas capture men not weapons. Our weapon is the word retained in our minds which is developed as we walk on the word the spirit is perfect.We still battle with the old man nature or human reasoning it must be brought to obedience by us putting on the Love of God in Christ. If this is what your saying. okay God Bless

Adam You are correct the first great commandment given in the law applies to all administrations, law prophets Gospels, Church of God, etc. Mathew 22:37-40. It's says with all our minds the word mind is translated intellect that requires Romans 12:2 also in the epistles acting on what we put on it is written. Takes time and determination, but we have the eternal energizer bunny in us Holy spirit to help. One of my favorite thoughts Let go and let God,read in the church epistles how many times that word is used in regards to what to put in mind and what to keep out. Very interesting. God Bless

Johnny God is always faithful to His word, and forgiving and loving, we as people are not always that wakes work between the ears Romans 12:1+2. Food for thought have fun in your believing walk. God Bless

Look at Romans 12:9 Abhor means treat with absolute disgust, but Love the person despise the sin. Abhor that which is evil all evil of devil.

I was responding to the posts about 1 Thess: 4:17, 18

The Rapture; Caught Up; In the Clouds

End of Days

I am an Evangelist. I see lambs, sheep, wolves, hirelings and those called to be shepherds.

I'm just going to leave it at that and ask God to raise up more shepherds who care for the Sheep. To guide, in one accord, all those who want to know what the Caught Up is, and how to be a participant in that?

Romans 12:10 Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another

Ephesians 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

Philippians 2:3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

1 Thessalonians 5:11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.

1 Peter 4:9 Use hospitality one to another without grudging.

Galatians 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

1 Peter 5:5 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. All of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and gives grace to the humble.

Ephesians 4:2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

1 Peter 4:8 And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: charity shall cover the multitude of sins.

Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law.

Romans 12:16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.

Hebrews 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love & good works.

Proverbs Chapter 6

16 These six things doth the LORD HATE: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Proverbs 8:13 - The fear of the LORD is to HATE evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

Proverbs 11:2 - When pride cometh, then cometh shame: but with the lowly is wisdom.

Proverbs 16:5 - Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished.

Proverbs 16:18 - Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

Proverbs 26:12 - Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him.

Proverbs 27:2 - Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips.

Proverbs 29:23 - A man's pride shall bring him low: but honour shall uphold the humble in spirit.

Jeremiah 9:23 - Thus saith the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches:

Romans 12:16 - Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.

Galatians 6:3 - For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.

Philippians 2:3 - Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

James 4:6 - But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.

1 John 2:16 - For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the PRIDE of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. (Satan)

2 Timothy 1:7

For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a SOUND MIND.

Romans 12:16

Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.

1 Corinthians 2:16

For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

Titus 2:1

But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:

Titus 2:2

That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.

Titus 1:13

This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound [mind] in the faith;

Titus 1:9

Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

Ephesians 4:23

And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;

Philippians 2:5

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Colossians 3:12

Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

Philippians 2:2

Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.

2 Corinthians 13:12

Greet one another with an holy kiss.

1 Thessalonians 5:26

Greet all the brethren with an holy kiss.

Luke 7:45

Thou gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased to kiss my feet.

Romans 16:16

Salute one another with an holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you.

1 Corinthians 16:20

All the brethren greet you. Greet ye one another with an holy kiss.

Genesis 27:26

And his father Isaac said unto him, Come near now, and kiss me, my son.

1 Peter 5:14

Greet ye one another with a kiss of charity. Peace be with you all that are in Christ Jesus. Amen.

Proverbs 27:6 - Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.

2 Peter 1:7

And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.

Hebrews 13:1

Let brotherly love continue.

1 Thessalonians 4:9

But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.

Romans 12:10

Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;

1 Corinthians 16:14 Let all your things be done with charity. 1 John 3:11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.

Colossians 3:5 - Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

Comment by Mishael: Amongst Church members, I would hope that we don't judge each other's greetings.

In our present culture we seem to be hyper aware of any kind of sexual harassment.

Inside of our Church setting we should be able to greet each other with a handshake and squeeze on the arm without a problem.

Rather than be shocked by standoffness, try to discern the other persons body language. We are naturally hyper now due to Covid-19 and Variant fears. It is, what it is.

What a blessing!! Beautifully put! Thank you

Micah 6:8 - He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

John 7:17 - If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

As we yield our members, servants to obey, we are led by His life in us.

Walking not according to this world, but weighing everying thing in view of eternity.

Christ in you, the hope of GLORY. Not willing that any should perish, we, by HIS GRACE bring light, transforming light must begin.....

..... that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Ephesians 5:17 - Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

Mary,

I would like to comfort you by telling you that if you are born of God's Spirit, you will one day go to be with Him. That is a guarantee. Every person who has been born of God's Spirit (Received Christ) has been sealed by His Spirit until the day He comes to redeem His purchased possession ( 1 Peter 1:5).

Your salvation is not based on your thoughts but on the keeping power of God. If you belong to Christ, you are being kept by His power alone. None of us can keep ourselves saved.

The apostle Paul fought for the believer's mind. If you read 2 Corinthians 10:4-6, you notice this is the "pulling down" of everything that exalts itself against the knowledge of God. Any kind of spiritual experience that a person has or personal revelation that a person has which exalts itself against the knowledge of God, when you say that can't be true, or that can't be God, because look at what God's word says?

But most importantly, that last line, "taking captive every thought into the obedience of Christ."

Do you realize that after receiving Christ, the great battle that goes on is for your mind? Satan cannot take your soul but he wants to keep your mind from growing in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ.

That is where all of our struggles take place as believers, in the mind. Satan wrestles with us and he tries to keep us distracted and keep us away from God's word because that is how we grow.

We learn and we grow in Christ through His word. That is why Paul said this six times in his letters, "I would not have you to be ignorant brothers."

Remember what God said in the Old Testament? His people perished because of what? A lack of knowledge! God says, I inspired the Book. I inspired my truth for you to know it. I even put it in book form so you human beings can read it.

Reach out to the Lord in prayer and ask Him to transform and renew your mind. ( Romans 12:2)