Discuss Romans 12 Page 9

I love this Bible it's so helpful in church I just whip out safari! But, I have a question I'm 12 so I prayed to myself and I think I'm saved and don't know if it means I am and,what if I'm scared to go and get saved??!!

Mr. Daubenspeck, I will try my best to answer your question.

I Samuel

I Samuel 2:28

It appears that people rejected GOD, HIS people

I Samuel 2:17

I Samuel 3:14

I Samuel 7:3

I Samuel 8:6-7

Could this have been the prophetic end of the sacrifice to GOD?

I Samuel 8:7-20

Malachi 3:8 -10

Romans 12:1 , Luke 11:42 , Matthew 23:23 ,

Isaiah 58

Hebrews 8:3

Hebrews 9:12

Hebrew 10:6

Hebrews 13:15

Hopefully that helps in your study.

Hi Sydney, I prayed for you.

I noticed what you wrote "I don't create my own belief. I understand that I must be born again, and that it is totally a gift from the Holy Spirit." and thought I'd share my belief as well.

I'm not sure what you mean by you don't create your own belief. Believing is a choice. We are given freewill to choose who we want to follow and whether to obey. I choose to follow and obey Jesus Christ. John 14:15

Some believe faith is a gift. We can gain faith through hearing the Word of God as it says in Romans 10:17. This verse indicates that God can control the measure of faith we have: Romans 12:3. Some interpret Ephesians 2:8-9 as faith as being a gift, but I believe it means salvation is the gift. I believe we already have the freewill to choose and we gain faith through reading God's Word, just like it says.

Do you want to follow Christ? Have you read the Bible verses about how to do that? Link

Dear brother IMKANE,

We are all sinners.God loves all of us! We are all brothers and sisters in Christ!

1 John 4:20

"If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?"

Romans 12:10

"Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;"

I love you, and I will pray for you my brother.

God Bless

Pedophilia people, zoophilia people, furries gays, and clothing optonal people are not Sodomites. They are wanting one person to be a condeming judge.

Proverbs 3:32-34

King James Version

32 For the froward is abomination to the Lord: but his secret is with the righteous. Genesis 19:9 9And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door. 2 Peter 2:7

"And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:"

King James Version. Proverbs 3:32: For the froward is abomination to the Lord: but his secret is with the righteous." People are froward - forceful with their words and actions to spesific people. Matthew 11:12

"And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force." People are forceful toward the people I mentioned. Islamic People don't like what I teach. The catholic church does not say what I teach. Pedophilia people are not like either one of them. Whatever you do unto the least of these my brethren, you are doing it unto me. Romans 12:2

"And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God." People s think God's will is: You are associated with that name: die, or you are a pedophile or a sex offender, when a young person just so happens to see parts, that made their life to be a reality.,

Brother Dan I'm a great believer in Grace and Faith But, in action its still summed up in Thou shalt love Lord thy God with all your heart soul mind and strength on these hang all the law and the prophets. So we are saved by grace but if you don't put on the word in the renewed mind Romans 12:2 which is our work or reasonable service than you will not produce the fruits of righteousness. Faith without works is indeed dead. But there's a big difference between work by inspiration and work by perspiration. First one is by faith our spiritual man second one is works natural man 2 Corinthians 10: 4+5 the battle field is the mind. In His Service

I perceive Mike, that your motive to help this person is one of love, of a real need existing there & of your commitment. Not knowing what type of backlash you face each time, whether from that person or others, if you believe that your help that comes out of your heart for that person is greater than the repercussions you face, then you must continue to render help. If it's getting too much for you, then you may need to step back, keep the matter & person(s) in prayer, & seek to be led of the Lord in your ministry of "helps".

Romans 12:20 may not be the same situation you're facing, but it gives an important principle: "if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head." It really means, that even if a known person hates or despises you, if that person is in need, your Christian love will still reach out to him. Why? Because we look at the need of the person rather than the anger in his eyes. In like manner, the Gospel has gone out to the farthest lands; not because of anyone's desire to be rejected, injured or killed, but because of the desperated need of the lost soul for the saving Message that can only be met by going out & doing - not waiting & remaining indifferent.

If you are truly concerned & passionate about helping others, you will look beyond the thoughtless or reckless actions of others, & only see the present need. The Lord sees your heart & motives - He is well able to use your loving efforts to bring blessing to another (as you have probably done already), not only in the physical realm but also in ministering to another's spirit. May the Lord lead you in this matter & comfort you in your struggle & pain.

Earl You state we believers have no choice, if you mean in the category of what we choose to do for God, Romans 12:2 Be not conformed to this world is a choice, Romans 12: 16 Be of the same mind one towards another is a choice, verse 21 be not overcome with evil but overcome evil with good, its a choice. What we have in our pots or vessels is perfect what an individual chooses to do with the gift is choice. I agree that in the end Gods Will his word will be done by those who choose by there freedom of will to do His will and spread the Gospel, and I understand that unbelievers are doing what he knows because God is all knowing in that sense I understand what your stating. In that capacity all still have a choice. In His Service

Believing Romans 10:9+10 with the heart mind and mouth is the beginning, Romans 12:1+2 is the lifetime part we are always putting off the world and putting on the word.

Earl I do understand your scripture but you are saying that when we get born again we instantly think like Christ then why do we still sin, because if we had perfect spiritual minds we would have perfect spiritual thoughts and walk by the spirit perfectly, then why does it say in Romans 12:2 Renew your mind, also your Right it says let this mind be in you it doesn't say it's instant, also 2 Corinthians 10:5 bring every thought to the obedience of Christ. The apostle Paul wrote about it in Romans 7:15-23 in verse 23 he says warring against the law of my mind. There's an old saying ideas capture men not weapons. Our weapon is the word retained in our minds which is developed as we walk on the word the spirit is perfect.We still battle with the old man nature or human reasoning it must be brought to obedience by us putting on the Love of God in Christ. If this is what your saying. okay God Bless

Adam You are correct the first great commandment given in the law applies to all administrations, law prophets Gospels, Church of God, etc. Mathew 22:37-40. It's says with all our minds the word mind is translated intellect that requires Romans 12:2 also in the epistles acting on what we put on it is written. Takes time and determination, but we have the eternal energizer bunny in us Holy spirit to help. One of my favorite thoughts Let go and let God,read in the church epistles how many times that word is used in regards to what to put in mind and what to keep out. Very interesting. God Bless

Johnny God is always faithful to His word, and forgiving and loving, we as people are not always that wakes work between the ears Romans 12:1+2. Food for thought have fun in your believing walk. God Bless

Look at Romans 12:9 Abhor means treat with absolute disgust, but Love the person despise the sin. Abhor that which is evil all evil of devil.

I was responding to the posts about 1 Thess: 4:17, 18

The Rapture; Caught Up; In the Clouds

End of Days

I am an Evangelist. I see lambs, sheep, wolves, hirelings and those called to be shepherds.

I'm just going to leave it at that and ask God to raise up more shepherds who care for the Sheep. To guide, in one accord, all those who want to know what the Caught Up is, and how to be a participant in that?

Romans 12:10 Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another

Ephesians 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

Philippians 2:3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

1 Thessalonians 5:11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.

1 Peter 4:9 Use hospitality one to another without grudging.

Galatians 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

1 Peter 5:5 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. All of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and gives grace to the humble.

Ephesians 4:2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

1 Peter 4:8 And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: charity shall cover the multitude of sins.

Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law.

Romans 12:16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.

Hebrews 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love & good works.

Proverbs Chapter 6

16 These six things doth the LORD HATE: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Proverbs 8:13 - The fear of the LORD is to HATE evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

Proverbs 11:2 - When pride cometh, then cometh shame: but with the lowly is wisdom.

Proverbs 16:5 - Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished.

Proverbs 16:18 - Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

Proverbs 26:12 - Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him.

Proverbs 27:2 - Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips.

Proverbs 29:23 - A man's pride shall bring him low: but honour shall uphold the humble in spirit.

Jeremiah 9:23 - Thus saith the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches:

Romans 12:16 - Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.

Galatians 6:3 - For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.

Philippians 2:3 - Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

James 4:6 - But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.

1 John 2:16 - For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the PRIDE of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. (Satan)

2 Timothy 1:7

For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a SOUND MIND.

Romans 12:16

Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.

1 Corinthians 2:16

For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

Titus 2:1

But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:

Titus 2:2

That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.

Titus 1:13

This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound [mind] in the faith;

Titus 1:9

Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

Ephesians 4:23

And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;

Philippians 2:5

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Colossians 3:12

Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

Philippians 2:2

Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.

2 Corinthians 13:12

Greet one another with an holy kiss.

1 Thessalonians 5:26

Greet all the brethren with an holy kiss.

Luke 7:45

Thou gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased to kiss my feet.

Romans 16:16

Salute one another with an holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you.

1 Corinthians 16:20

All the brethren greet you. Greet ye one another with an holy kiss.

Genesis 27:26

And his father Isaac said unto him, Come near now, and kiss me, my son.

1 Peter 5:14

Greet ye one another with a kiss of charity. Peace be with you all that are in Christ Jesus. Amen.

Proverbs 27:6 - Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.

2 Peter 1:7

And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.

Hebrews 13:1

Let brotherly love continue.

1 Thessalonians 4:9

But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.

Romans 12:10

Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;

1 Corinthians 16:14 Let all your things be done with charity. 1 John 3:11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.

Colossians 3:5 - Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

Comment by Mishael: Amongst Church members, I would hope that we don't judge each other's greetings.

In our present culture we seem to be hyper aware of any kind of sexual harassment.

Inside of our Church setting we should be able to greet each other with a handshake and squeeze on the arm without a problem.

Rather than be shocked by standoffness, try to discern the other persons body language. We are naturally hyper now due to Covid-19 and Variant fears. It is, what it is.

What a blessing!! Beautifully put! Thank you

Micah 6:8 - He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

John 7:17 - If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

As we yield our members, servants to obey, we are led by His life in us.

Walking not according to this world, but weighing everying thing in view of eternity.

Christ in you, the hope of GLORY. Not willing that any should perish, we, by HIS GRACE bring light, transforming light must begin.....

..... that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Ephesians 5:17 - Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

Mary,

I would like to comfort you by telling you that if you are born of God's Spirit, you will one day go to be with Him. That is a guarantee. Every person who has been born of God's Spirit (Received Christ) has been sealed by His Spirit until the day He comes to redeem His purchased possession ( 1 Peter 1:5).

Your salvation is not based on your thoughts but on the keeping power of God. If you belong to Christ, you are being kept by His power alone. None of us can keep ourselves saved.

The apostle Paul fought for the believer's mind. If you read 2 Corinthians 10:4-6, you notice this is the "pulling down" of everything that exalts itself against the knowledge of God. Any kind of spiritual experience that a person has or personal revelation that a person has which exalts itself against the knowledge of God, when you say that can't be true, or that can't be God, because look at what God's word says?

But most importantly, that last line, "taking captive every thought into the obedience of Christ."

Do you realize that after receiving Christ, the great battle that goes on is for your mind? Satan cannot take your soul but he wants to keep your mind from growing in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ.

That is where all of our struggles take place as believers, in the mind. Satan wrestles with us and he tries to keep us distracted and keep us away from God's word because that is how we grow.

We learn and we grow in Christ through His word. That is why Paul said this six times in his letters, "I would not have you to be ignorant brothers."

Remember what God said in the Old Testament? His people perished because of what? A lack of knowledge! God says, I inspired the Book. I inspired my truth for you to know it. I even put it in book form so you human beings can read it.

Reach out to the Lord in prayer and ask Him to transform and renew your mind. ( Romans 12:2)

Amen....

Herein there is no where the churches of our time have erred more greatly and especially in these United States. So far from condescending to men of low estate the desire of most gravitates toward those who are prestigious, and socially prominent. Thus for the most part only the well to do are found in the prominent places of our churches. This is in total contradiction of how it ought to be according to St. Paul as it is the POOR who are richest in faith, while the wealthy of this world, those most often given to greed and oppression should be those we trust the lest! It would be wise therefore we heed Paul's admonition and CONDESCEND to men of low estate, and let us thus prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God herein by putting some of our very poorest on our pulpit committees, and our Church boards to help direct things, rather then to only catering to our rich young rulers. Those poor among us in this worlds goods are not nearly as dumb as we seem to think. And if putting such like in these slots gives offence then so be it. We ought to just do it anyway. After all, who are we out to please? God or Man?!

Herein there is no where the churches of our time have erred more greatly and especially in these United States. So far from condescending to men of low estate the desire of most gravitates toward those who are prestigious, and socially prominent. Thus for the most part only the well to do are in found the prominent places of leadership in our churches here. this is in total contradiction of how it ought to be which is made so clear by St. Paul that it is the POOR, who are richest in faith, while the wealthy of this world being naturally greedy are most often oppressors! Therefore it is wise to CONDESCEND to men of low estate. Make sure poor folk are on our pulpit committees, our Church boards, and our board of directors, rather then to only be catering to the rich herein. The poor are not nearly as dumb as we seem to think, and if that means we must downsize than that is exactly what needs to be done. Who are we out to please? God or Man?!

It appears to me within the context of this passage certain believers in the church of

Roam tended to feel they had callings beyond what was true. As such they thought too much of themselves. This for sure is often the case with those young in the Lord once they discover themselves to be in posession of spiritual gifts.

James 3:16 - For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.

James 4:2-3 - Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not. (Read More...)

James 3:14 - But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.

Proverbs 14:30 - A sound heart is the life of the flesh: but envy the rottenness of the bones.

1 Corinthians 10:13 - There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

Galatians 5:19-21 - Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, (Read More...)

Proverbs 27:4 - Wrath is cruel, and anger is outrageous; but who is able to stand before envy?

James 3:14-15 - But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. (Read More...)

1 Corinthians 3:3 - For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

Romans 12:21 - Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

1 Corinthians 13:1-8 - Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. (Read More...)

Proverbs 10:12 - Hatred stirreth up strifes: but love covereth all sins.

1 John 4:8 - He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

Psalms 25:4-5 - Shew me thy ways, O LORD; teach me thy paths. (Read More...)

Exodus 20:17 - Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

Galatians 5:22 - But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy,

James 4:17 says if you do nothing in the face of evil it's a sin. Other parties aren't even close to the one I called out. The democrats support mass murdering innocent babies and mass spilling of blood through violence, and the other parties don't. Those who assume others are just as evil either have been brainwashed by propaganda or could be symbolically bowing to the evil culture, just like the US giving billions to Iran the #1 enemy who threatens to nuke us. In these dark days we even see pastors bowing down to terrorist groups like blm and antifa who have killed so many hundreds that aren't reported by the evil media. The vaccine injection has also murdered more than 5,000 people and they sweep it under the rug- that's more death than the 9/11 attacks. It's horrifyingThe time for pandering to this evil is over.

Habakkuk 1:13, Romans 12:9, Philippians 3:2, Ephesians 5:11, John 3:20 - say to expose evil, not pander to them, appease them, or bow down and worship them as a false god. The end times are near and people will be soon tested to see who they are allegient to. Were they an accessory to murder by belonging to a group that mass murders babies, lets criminals out of prison to murder innocents, to let illegals in to spread disease, bring lethal drugs, and traffic children? Those supporting this will be held accountable. It's not too late to repent of this sin and to follow Jesus.

Brother Earl. I've never thought that "we are Christ's garments". I've always understood that Christ is our garment. Galatians 3:27; Romans 13:14. And that we are "in Christ": Romans 8:1; Romans 12:5; 2 Corinthians 5:17. And "Christ in us": Colossians 1:27; 2 Corinthians 13:5. Any further thoughts?

Matthew 10:33 - But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Currently there are anti-Christs denying the divinity of Jesus Christ and they can't handle it when they are exposed. Christians should lovingly share the gospel to the lost, including people who assume they're Christians, but aren't. There are so-called Christians who don't believe in Christ attempting to deceive others into believing Christ is just a man and not divine, despite what the Bible says. It seems no amount of sharing the truth from the scripture will change someone's mind, but you can still pray for their soul and for their hearts to become unhard and listen to the truth. Christians should have the full armor of God on and sometimes the truth needs to be spoken directly to penetrate through the lies and deceipt of the anti-Christs. These people denounce Jesus, denounce the trinity, denounce scripture, and reject much of the foundations of Christianity from God's Word. Those who have never encountered the anti-Christs, good for you, but be on your guard, because some lurk even on this website and are probably reading this right now and feeling convicted and a guilty conscience from the Holy Spirit. Speaking the truth from the Bible is probably like heaping hot coals on their heads, Romans 12:20.

Jesus is Lord and God, because the Bible says He is. Your feelings and false assumptions cannot prove otherwise. Have a great day!

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Yes, since John 8:33 Esau now resides at the holy city, and acknowledges that they are Esau, and, are responsible for the wars, plagues, sacrifice and torture of many millions of children, we have a problem, as also explained at Malachi 1:3-4.

Esau, and Canaanites of pollution with fallen angel mating, plus those Masons and others who take imprecatory secret oaths to Satan, are spreading great hated and lies against The Creator, King of Heaven and earth, and, His Savior Son, who by His Blood Redeems us from eternal death if we truly love Him to live according to His Spirit and His Word. Now as Obadiah, Isaiah 63, tells us, as well as John 8:33-44, Matthew 23, Rev. 2 and 3 of the Synagogue of Satan. They have even polluted all institutions on the earth. They are also now destroying all creation, and have brought on the Mark of the Beast of Rev. 13:16, that tracks people by a matrix of computers over all the earth, and changes the DNA of our bodies that house the temple of our Savior and His Holy Spirit IF we choose the jab to be owned by Satan, instead. People are taking that Beast ownership Mark, which can not be undone.

We have not called on The Holy Names that Never changes since the beginning. See Palms 91, daniel 9:19, Exodus 9:16, Matthew 23:39 in the institutions of the earth! Like the 10 virgins, we need to call on Our Father in Heaven, and Hallow His Name, and forgive our debtors as we want to be forgiven, and, pray for enough Holy Spirit in our lamps.

At Declaration of Independence, last paragraph, we find THE CREATOR is our Judge! At Deuteronomy 17:8, hard matters are brought to Him for Judgement. Vengeance belongs to Him. He owns everything. Psalms 24. At Zephaniah 3, He Judges between His people and Satan. Isaiah 66, Hosiah 5:15 we find examples of The Creator's judgment. At Joel 3, we find The Creator gathering the people's of the earth of war, together for a feast of the condemned flesh for the predator animals of the earth.

Hello Chris,

If you agree that your definition of a Christian is different, then what is your definition? What exact criteria makes someone a Christian in your view?

My criteria is: believe Jesus Christ, repent/confess sin, and be baptized. Matthew 10:32, John 3:16, Luke 5:32, Acts 2:38, Mark 16:16. A Christian is a Christ follower, which is an action. It is an ongoing activity and responsibility to follow Jesus and obey Him and strive to live a holy life. It takes great effort to do this avoid sin. Look at Paul's struggle in Romans 7. John 14:15. Romans 12:2, James 2:26, John 8:11.

The gentleman I previously spoke about did all the above and is a Christian, but you said he wasn't. Why not? In your view is a Christian not a Christian if he sins just once, or twice, or does it depend on the sin?

And Jesus's followers were indeed Christians. A literal Christ follower is as true to being a Christian as you can possibly get. They literally followed Him around all day, listened to His teachings, believed Him, tried to emulate Him. Judas and Peter both denied and betrayed Him as Christians, because they had freewill to do so, just like Satan had freewill in heaven to do what he did, and just like so many Christians do today, by leaving, denying the faith, committing sin.

What is most sad is this Christian I referred to living in sin right now is doing so because of messages he's been told like you're telling. He's been brainwashed into believing he is already saved and he can now do whatever he wants- that it's impossible to lose his salvation. And now he's enjoying sin and doing all kinds of evil, because he was told he's saved and in the book of life. Christians who think they can get by with committing unlimited sin are completely ignoring what Jesus said. ( John 14:15). That's like slapping Jesus in the face. Romans 14:13. We are to not cause others to stumble.