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God miraculously healed me, I encourage you to pray the Lord God would being you some unleavened elders to do the following:

James 5 - 14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: 15And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. 16Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

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Some points to consider on it:

1. According to the Bible, only men can be elders ( 1 Timothy 2:11-15 - 1 Corinthians 14:34-36 - 1 Timothy 3:1-2 - Titus 1:6)

2. The anointing oil needs to be done; it's not "just medicinal" like some teach - (Read Mark 6:7 & 6:12-13 those were clearly supernatural healings, and yet they still used the anointing oil - when they anointed in the Old Testament, they simply poured oil on someone's head ( Leviticus 8:12 - 2 Kings 9:6 - 1 Samuel 10:1) - you don't need any man to "bless the oil", the Bible did not say to do that - the anointing simply needs to be done in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

3. It says "the prayer of faith shall save the sick", so I encourage everyone to be praying that God will give the gift of faith to both parties during that time - earlier in James, it shows us faith is essential when praying, otherwise "...let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord." ( James 1:6-7)

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And a short gospel message - Jesus said "...repent ye, and believe the gospel."

Repent in that context is godly sorrow for having broken God's commandments ( 2 Cor 7:8-11)

Romans 13:9 "For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."

God miraculously healed me; I don't know the details, but if your mom is considered "sick" (and is a Christian):

James 5 - 14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: 15And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. 16Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

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Some points to consider about that passage:

1. According to the Bible, only men can be elders ( 1 Timothy 2:11-15 - 1 Corinthians 14:34-36 - 1 Timothy 3:1-2 - Titus 1:6)

2. The anointing oil needs to be done; it's not "just medicinal" like some teach - (Read Mark 6:7 & 6:12-13 those were clearly supernatural healings, and yet they still used the anointing oil - when they anointed in the Old Testament, they simply poured oil on someone's head ( Leviticus 8:12 - 2 Kings 9:6 - 1 Samuel 10:1) - you don't need any man to "bless the oil", the Bible did not say to do that - the anointing simply needs to be done in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

3. It says "the prayer of faith shall save the sick", so I encourage everyone to be praying that God will give the gift of faith to both parties during that time - earlier in James, it shows us faith is essential when praying, otherwise "...let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord." ( James 1:6-7)

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And a short gospel message - Jesus said "...repent ye, and believe the gospel."

Repent in that context is godly sorrow for having broken God's commandments ( 2 Cor 7:8-11)

Romans 13:9 "For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."

God miraculously healed me after following James 5, and if she's a Christian, please encourage her to do this:

James 5 - 14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: 15And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. 16Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

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Some points to consider about that passage:

1. According to the Bible, only men can be elders ( 1 Timothy 2:11-15 - 1 Corinthians 14:34-36 - 1 Timothy 3:1-2 - Titus 1:6)

2. The anointing oil needs to be done; it's not "just medicinal" like some teach - (Read Mark 6:7 & 6:12-13 those were clearly supernatural healings, and yet they still used the anointing oil - when they anointed in the Old Testament, they simply poured oil on someone's head ( Leviticus 8:12 - 2 Kings 9:6 - 1 Samuel 10:1) - you don't need any man to "bless the oil", the Bible did not say to do that - the anointing simply needs to be done in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

3. It says "the prayer of faith shall save the sick", so I encourage everyone to be praying that God will give the gift of faith to both parties during that time - earlier in James, it shows us faith is essential when praying, otherwise "...let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord." ( James 1:6-7)

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And a short gospel message - Jesus said "...repent ye, and believe the gospel."

Repent in that context is godly sorrow for having broken God's commandments ( 2 Cor 7:8-11)

Romans 13:9 "For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."

God miraculously healed me, and since you mentioned healing, I wanted to share how any Christian can be healed:

James 5 - 14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: 15And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. 16Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

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Some points to consider about that passage:

1. According to the Bible, only men can be elders ( 1 Timothy 2:11-15 - 1 Corinthians 14:34-36 - 1 Timothy 3:1-2 - Titus 1:6)

2. The anointing oil needs to be done; it's not "just medicinal" like some teach - (Read Mark 6:7 & 6:12-13 those were clearly supernatural healings, and yet they still used the anointing oil - when they anointed in the Old Testament, they simply poured oil on someone's head ( Leviticus 8:12 - 2 Kings 9:6 - 1 Samuel 10:1) - you don't need any man to "bless the oil", the Bible did not say to do that - the anointing simply needs to be done in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

3. It says "the prayer of faith shall save the sick", so I encourage everyone to be praying that God will give the gift of faith to both parties during that time - earlier in James, it shows us faith is essential when praying, otherwise "...let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord." ( James 1:6-7)

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And a short gospel message - Jesus said "...repent ye, and believe the gospel."

Repent in that context is godly sorrow for having broken God's commandments ( 2 Cor 7:8-11)

Romans 13:9 "For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."

God miraculously healed me, and since you mentioned healing, I wanted to share how any Christian can be healed:

James 5 - 14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: 15And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. 16Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

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Some points to consider about that passage:

1. According to the Bible, only men can be elders ( 1 Timothy 2:11-15 - 1 Corinthians 14:34-36 - 1 Timothy 3:1-2 - Titus 1:6)

2. The anointing oil needs to be done; it's not "just medicinal" like some teach - (Read Mark 6:7 & 6:12-13 those were clearly supernatural healings, and yet they still used the anointing oil - when they anointed in the Old Testament, they simply poured oil on someone's head ( Leviticus 8:12 - 2 Kings 9:6 - 1 Samuel 10:1) - you don't need any man to "bless the oil", the Bible did not say to do that - the anointing simply needs to be done in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

3. It says "the prayer of faith shall save the sick", so I encourage everyone to be praying that God will give the gift of faith to both parties during that time - earlier in James, it shows us faith is essential when praying, otherwise "...let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord." ( James 1:6-7)

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And a short gospel message - Jesus said "...repent ye, and believe the gospel."

Repent in that context is godly sorrow for having broken God's commandments ( 2 Cor 7:8-11)

Romans 13:9

"For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."

Precious friend, Since JESUS Is our 'Reality' Of REST, we can now do that 24/7. Thus no need to get 'entangled in the legalism' of "keeping (the 'shadow' of) the sabbath." As Paul Clearly Teaches us, from God:

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath: which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." Colossians 2:16-17

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We Now "fulfill All the law, In ONE WORD: LOVE thy neighbor as thyself" Galatians 5:14 Romans 13:8-10

Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!

2 Timothy 2:15 Romans 16:25 Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship {Romans - Philemon}, For ALL "to SEE," today,?

God's 'Simple' Will: Link

Sources: VAERS, CDC, FDA, AHA, Pfizer, scientific journals, and numerous personal testimonies from victims and medical professionals on: YouTube, Twitter, social media.

A Pfizer source has said the vaccine has been developed from fetal tissue from aborted babies. Source: Project Veritas.

I'm sure you know if you do a keyword search on a leftist (democrat) website like Google you won't find much source material because of their censorship, but on a neutral site like Brave you will. Information is prepared and groomed for you to arrive at a certain conclusion and people don't even realize it. This includes anti-Christian propaganda pro-gay propaganda, anti-family propaganda, anti-white propaganda, pro-criminal propaganda, pro-big-pharma propaganda, etc.

God bless...

Thanks for your comment Adam. Please cite sources for your conjecture. Have a blessed day

Please read these scriptures: John 7:1-53, Mark 2:1-28,

This discussion came up Holidays 2019, there was hatred towards not wearing masks in donut shop Southern California 80-90 degrees near beach. Teenager asked "wouldn't Jesus just be nice" then it hit me with fire inside my spirit. I replied "Jesus would be the first to bring alarm!" "If they were going to arrest people for getting too close, touching the sick, HE'd probably be first" I could envision HIM hugging & healing people & upsetting the "norm" as "enforcers" would say "HE isn't allowed to do that."

Luke 13:1-17, Luke 13:20-35, * Mark 3:1-6,9,10, *

Hypocrisy of crowds, sporting events, parades, but Jesus crowds? Mark 2:2, hypocrisy= John 19:31, Luke 4:14-44,

not wearing masks, HE'd probably be taking them off, elderly & children 1st. Would the creator of man, mankind, want them breathing carbondioxide, weaking their lungs, hiding HIS glory? 2 Corinthians, 1 John 1:1, seeking to save themselves? Luke 17:33, Matthew 16:35, Luke 8:35, John 12:25, Matthew 6:25

Luke 6:1-19,

John 9:1-7 can you imagine? criminal charges today?

+ HE actually gave commands to heal the sick, Matthew 10:8, Luke 10:9, Acts 4:28-30,

"The saddest thing about all the hate, meaness, is when this is over, people will remember how badly they were treated" "let's try to remember that & be kind"

Matthew 25:39

It's almost 2022. Those mandates have caused division, job loss, depression etc., yet what proof of any good?

To further answer your question: I have been in much prayer about it & I do not take lightly any scripture. I believe in USA we are a "Nation under GOD" being The People we are the ones with the Governing authority as per The Declaration of Independence, The US Constitution & all States Constitutions. The people putting forth "Mandates" know they have not authority to call them "laws" they are therefore those that "resist the power & Ordinances of GOD" & the Higher power is GOD.

Hopefully these are helpful.

Hello, I think taking the covid experimental injections are a sin, because 1 Corinthians 6:19 says our bodies are a holy temple and we must protect it. Probably millions of injuries and deaths worldwide have occured from it, this is being covered up, and it's wrong. Things that help people don't need to have coverups. People would have been just fine if they didn't participate in this intentional tragedy. Pharma saw ivermectin and hcq as a threat so they paid for fake studies to discredit it. That's wrong. They're forcing this on kids and they're dying from heart attacks and swelling and blood clots. This is a kind of evil we haven't seen before. We are to follow laws, but where God's moral law collides with man's law we are to follow God, not man. We have seen unprecedented bullying, oppression, and death surrounding this lie and will never take the death vaccine. God bless.

It seems to me that Romans 13:1-2 instructs the devout to submit to mask or vaccine mandates as ordered by national, state or local governments for the common good.

Dear Adam u can have right, but am not sure, example all the anger in the States now a days is breeds only evil. And why? Not evan 55% have taken covid vaccine. AFTER 2 YEARS! Everything is still down, like school's many places. This make the anger, and it's dangerous.

For what? I'll remember a word from the holy script in Christ: Our dear Paul said In Titus 3:1 Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,

Romans 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

We all need too see this and subordinate us. Be blessed in the Holy Name above all other name under the sky's Jesus Christ forever King in eternity. He will have the praise and glory, not me. He be exalted for ever and ever Amen.

Hi Timothy. Here are some Scriptures for you to consider:

1 Corinthians 6:12; Titus 2:11,12; 1 Peter 5:8,9; James 1:12-15; James 4:7,8; 1 Peter 2:11; Romans 13:12-14; Romans 12:1,2.

All these Scriptures show how a Christian can live above the sinful cravings of the heart & mind - when we know that we need help & that help is beyond any power we can muster up, then we must cry to the Lord our God, submit fully to Him & daily trust Him to deliver us of anything that opposes godliness.

I had a few addictions to surrender to the Lord when I was saved by His Spirit; some things left off immediately, others took a little longer. But remember "it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure." Philippians 2:13. God will by His Spirit help an earnest repentant soul. If He is in the business of pulling out wayward souls from the coming fires of Hell through His Son's Sacrifice, He will certainly not forget a struggling child who is still ensnared by the wicked one.

Our strength to resolve our issues very quickly diminishes - God's great Power to deliver & heal awaits all who look only to Him & submit to His Will. And when temptation knocks at our door, we are reminded in 1 Corinthians 10:13, "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." But the part of that verse that tests our genuineness, is whether we see, acknowledge & use the door of escape that God provides for us. When that sin or addiction becomes something most hateful in us, we're on the road to physical, mental & spiritual recovery.

WHO Is SATAN

Genesis 3:1 Now the SERPENT (Satan) was more subtil than any BEAST of the Field which the Lord God Had made...

God made ALL THE BEAST of the field out of DUST, The BEAST are all made FLESH.

1 Corinthians 15:39 Not all flesh is the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of man, another of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

Which of these creations of FLESH is the MOST SUBTIL, Of course it's MAN.

Job 26:13 By his Spirit he hath garnished the heavens; His (Spirits) hand hath formed he crooked (liar and murderer, from the beginning) serpent (subtil beast).

1 John 2:16 ..The lust of the FLESH, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life..

Which of these creations of FLESH have the capabilities to have the pride of life, lust of the FLESH, and the lust of the eyes, of course it's MAN.

James 2:19 thou (terrestrial FLESH) believest there is one one God, thou doest well, the devils (Satan, terrestrial FLESH) also BELIEVE, and tremble.

Revelation 13 :8 Here is wisdom let him that hath UNDERSTANDING count the number of the BEAST (FLESH): for his number is the number of a MAN..

Who is the ONLY beast of the field that is subtil, can lust, can BELIEVE and can buy and sell. Why of course, it's MAN, THE PRINCE(S) OF THIS WORLD.

You BELIEVE, long before you are BORN AGAIN. Terrestrial FLESH, the carnal mind, has to BE DESTROYED (it's the process of light replacing darkness).

1 Corinthians 5:5 To deliver such a one (terrestrial flesh) to Satan (terrestrial flesh) for the DESTRUCTION of the Flesh, that the Spirit might be SAVED in the day of the Lord.

Isaiah 9:20 ..they shall every man EAT THE FLESH OF HIS OWN RIGHT ARM.

Zechariah 14:12 ..their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet..

Revelation 19:18 That you may eat the flesh of kings, and he flesh of captains, and the flesh of might men..

Romans 13:11 ..now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

WORK OUT YOU OWN SALVATION

PHYSICIAN HEAL THYSELF

Amen Brother Ronald!

John Zindel,

The Roman Catholic Church, there are many hideous things done that are recorded. In Revelation 2 the beginning of it, Jesus referred to as Nicolaitans. I will not get in depth but give a few things you may look at and study. Please do not take as debating but from one who has been there.

Is the name antichrist, just what has been developed over the years with man-created theories? Martin Luther was convinced that the pope in his time was the antichrist. Many say it is the Papacy, looking at the history of the Roman Catholic Church and the times the beast is to make war with the saints looks possible.

If days = years, using 30-day months calculating 42 months or 3.5 years = 1260 days = 1260 years. Using recorded dates of 538AD as the time when the papacy became an established power until 1798AD when the French general Berthier, with the French army, marched into Rome and dismantled the political rule of the Papacy and took the Pope prisoner, 1798-538=1260. This could be the deadly wound to the head, but.

Prophetic years are based on 30-day months, 360-day years, that is why all these times are listed 42 months, 1260 days, and 3.5 years. Even if you believe the days = years, using 360-day year, 1260 years would be 1241.89 365.25-day years. 1260 x 360 = 453600 days divided by 365.25 = 1241.89 years so, if you start at 538 AD it gets you to 1779 AD therefore the dates do not match.

Some things paint beautiful pictures that look to be true, until we look under the covers. Revelations show us it is not just one. Satan, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit, the false prophet, and the mother of harlots the city Babylon. I hope this will be taken for something to study, not something to offend.

God bless,

RLW

Hi John Explain to me how the book of Romans is an Epistles written to the church of God born again believers and the 13 chapter is sandwiched between 12 which talks about being not conformed to this world and 14 talking about not judging other believers in the body of Christ. According to Ephesians the sword of the spirit is Gods word which is a terror to those who choose to do evil, in context the 13th chapter of Romans in my understanding is talking about leadership in the church the body of christ and paying tribute to those who teach Gods Word.

Just wanted to ask that we've never seen the church demand tribute or bear the sword? They asked Peter if his master payed temple tax . And the Roman church demanded money and executed people for not obey their religious law.. in fact till Napolean arrested the pope and stripped him of his crown the church ruled for 40 and 2 months . Exactly 1260 yrs.. now the beast of the earth the one having 2 horns like a lamb . Who's the lamb? Jesus Christ .2 horns with no crowns..horns will symbolize precepts of power to govern . The 2 precepts of Christ.. love God love your neighbor.. protestantism and republicanism.. seperation of church and state .

3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? Do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same,... Rulers here are speaking of the civil governor.. the church is not to lord over the people.. pharasees did it with profaning sabbath making it illegal to do good on the sabbath . Now in the church pharasees ( in spirit) have cast down the law and trampled sabbath underfoot.. and the Lil horn of Daniel has transfered sabbath to Sunday.. no one want.ts to hear the truth.. but soon the papacy will ask for an international green Sabbath on a common day once a week.. in an effort to slow climate change SUNDAY will be enforced worldwide and those that violate this law will be persecuted..

Wow.. quite a powerful chapter..Paul reaffirming how God views the king (governments )of the world.. ministers doing God's bidding to test his people.. to speak truth but Obey the power to the point of death.. it glorifies God for his people to put on Christ and his spirit guides to obey his commandments.. 10 of em.. they are all listed but the first 4 are crucial to know who God is.. in Jesus day the religious leaders demanded that the state try him and crucify him for violating their religious law.. in the end it will be the same way where the religious leaders are the ones asking the state to enforce their law.. it's the one they got called blue laws..say they pass a law requiring people to rest on SUNDAY..? LOOK IN EZEKIAL 8 and see what God thinks of sunworship.. it doesn't say but clearly men are facing east worshipping the sun... Done on the 1st day of the week.... Women weeping for Tammuz.. the pagan cross comes from the T ... I apologize for not listing verses but look .. we can't say we love God bit do not have the faith of Jesus to obey the commands . In John Jesus says over and over .. that he only did what his father commanded him and he knew that commandment leads to eternal life... Hmm... 10 are 1.. he didn't come to get rid of the law but to fulfill it . By this and his blood he can now enter the heavenly sanctuary to cleanse our confessed sins.. well he's already commenced with the cleansing of the sanctuary starting in 1844... Soon it will be too late for repentance.. the three angels messages... We are in the last hrs.. mark of the beast crisis is approaching.. this mark represents the sign of authority of this kingdom.. same as God's seal is his sign of authority over his people... The anti-christ thinks to change times and laws. Rome fell and the papacy rose to power in 538 AD.. Possessing both civil and ecclesiastical authority they persecuted God's people and they fled west.. the shaking and remnants.

Part II

2 Corinthians 1:9-10

"...God Which raiseth the dead: Who Delivered us from so great a death, and Doth Deliver: in Whom we trust that He Will Yet Deliver us"

2) God's Eternal Salvation in The Present Tense:

The believer Should do 'good works' for which we 'are created In Christ Jesus' Ephesians 2:10

Note that 'these works' will Never Be Equal to the Total Payment That Christ Made For 'the Penalty of sin,' for which "He Already Delivered" us in the past tense of 2 Corinthians 1:10

These good works are for submission To Him, so that 'He Doth Deliver' us from 'the Power of sin,' present tense of 2 Corinthians 1:10

We "work out Our Own salvation" which Should Be a lifetime of Deliverance From the Power of sin! Our personal {set our-'Self' apart} sanctification:

2A)

"Access The GRACE, Wherein ye stand!..." Romans 5:2

1) "Die Daily" by submission, according to Paul's exhortation:

"I beseech you therefore, brethren, By the Mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice..." Romans 12:1-2 cp 1 Corinthians 15:31

2)

"Walk In The Spirit!" Romans 8:1,4 Galatians 5:16,25

"And walk in love, as Christ Also Hath Loved us, and Hath Given HIMSELF For us An Offering and A Sacrifice To God for a sweet-smelling savour." Ephesians 5:2

2b)

Fulfil, by faith, ALL Of His Law, In "ONE Word: LOVE thy neighbor as thyself!" Galatians 5:6 Galatians 5:14 Romans 13:8-10

2c)

Study HIS Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, to show thyself Approved Unto God! 2 Timothy 2:15 Eternal Results:

reward, or loss thereof 1 Corinthians 3:6-15, ruling and reigning With CHRIST, Which Will Finally Be At The Judgment Day:

3) God's Eternal Salvation in The Future Tense:

CHRIST's GLORIFICATION of All "members" Of HIS Body! This Is ETERNAL DELIVERANCE From the Presence of sin! 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 1 Corinthians 15:51-57



Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!

2 Timothy 2:15 Romans 16:25 Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship Romans - Philemon

Judge,

Day and night, light and darkness have other meanings other than we think of in this physical world. John 1:4-5 Romans 13:12. In day three, grass, herbs, fruit trees came forth growing and full of life in preparation of the other life that was to come for to be food. God is light as we see in Revelation 21:23-25 and Revelation 22:5 when all is new there will be no night, no moon, or sun, the glory of God will be the lighten and Jesus will be the light.

The sun and moon and the stars were placed in the firmament (heaven) on day four after the plants on this earth were thriving in day three so, what we hear things cannot grow without the sun or the earth would be a ball of ice, leave out the glory of God and His only begotten Son, the light that darkness/unbelievers comprehend not.

God bless,

RLW

Thank you again brother Carleton for those deep & engaging thoughts. Indeed, our whole attitude & presentation to all must be as seen in our Master. He knew all men & yet withheld Himself from using their devices of carnal attack & judgement. He always did the Will of His Father ( John 6:38), always replicating the Father's Words & Acts in His Life & Ministry ( John 5:19).

His powerful, yet succinct Words to us are, "to be wise as serpents, and harmless as doves" ( Matthew 10:16), for indeed, we as Christ's Church are in the "midst of wolves", & we are not to be ignorant of the evil one's devices in urging those wolves on & upon us. Yet, when under attack, & they come from a myriad of sources, our response needs to be one as was written of our High Priest: "One who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens" ( Hebrews 7:26). As even the apostle urged us, to "be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world" ( Philippians 2:15).

Our light can only truly shine when Christ's Light shines through us. If there's only a flicker, the world will never be moved, they remain in darkness & our flicker of light might even be extinguished. As the world sees us in full submission desiring only that the Lord's Name be lifted up, they might also see how Jesus submitted to His Father's Will going the full distance to the Cross for them. That joy & peace that was the Lord's continual possession even to enduring the Cross, must be our portion as well, even in manifold trials & exercises of faith - and thus we can always follow peace with all men. Every blessing brother.

Hello Brother Chris, I am a poor choice to edge myself into the subject of Non-resistance but I see how without its presence in the life of a Christian one can wander into preparations or arming themselves for the punishment and or destruction of Babylon. It will be heathen hands as Jeremiah preached that overtake Babylon. Jeremiah 51:11, 28-29. The Christian must not interfere in God's vengeance against all unrighteousness in spiritual Babylon. The sword of opposition is not Bible doctrine. Revelation 17:12-13 Summarized- Power is give to the kings and in one mind and strength to the beast. Revelation 17:14 Summarized- The war is with the Lamb. The Lamb will overcome as he is Lord of lords and King of Kings. His followers who are with him are chosen and faithful. It is the non-resistance of these believers that they can be with the Lamb as he overcomes spiritual Babylon that great city, which is the complete opposite of New Jerusalem.

Likely there will arise those whom may riot and gain followers but they will eventually be scattered as they are resistant to submission. I am certain that repeating the vision and revelation of the Lamb may be tiresome. However another happening as "I Stood" by the Lamb was it would have been near impossible to make myself lower than He. That is how we are, how I am and how we must completely surrender to His testimony of Peace.

By faith and love. We can write more together in this short walk if time allows.

Amen Brother Rick, I don't know why man has such a had time understanding this.

IT'S GOD'S WORDS!.

Chris One thing that amazes me is when someone says this is what paul wrote or Isaiah wrote or Luke wrote, they all wrote what God wanted written, its His Word. Just an observation.

Good morning Brother Chris, Thank you for your walk and sharing to me and others including some of your experiences in the walk by faith. I am at physical work and will have to wait to write more. In the meantime I wanted to clarify my thought on pacifism as non- violence and non- resistance as a quality of Jesus that we must know in our lives to know Him. I am interested in hearing more about the Gospel tract distribution work in Pakistan too!

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"A way of escape from active war duties". I think conscientious objection has always been allowed by governments, at least those in democratic societies & who are allied to others (e.g. NATO). It still had to be proved that one was indeed objecting for conscience-sake, & not to dodge the draft. I was in line to be drafted in Aust., but the war in Vietnam was near its end, with troop withdrawals commencing. I nevertheless opted to join the Air Force in administrative duties: dodging the draft (Conscription, as referred to here), & a self-guarantee that I don't have to kill anyone. I don't think they clearly defined the difference between an objector by conscience & a pacifist. It seemed to be one & the same. The line would be very thin in their reckoning, not caring about any biblical injunctions in that regard.

Thank you again brother Carleton for engaging our minds in that direction & to consider our stand before God & Country.

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Thank you brother for sharing those worthy & compelling thoughts. I think of Matthew 5:38-42, & specifically, "resist not evil", or, 'don't respond with the same evil that was dispensed to you'. This has been one of those instructions that have troubled many believers, as it cuts across the boundaries of responding offensively to a challenging & dangerous situation and defending oneself (or, another), which may require meting out 'evil'. I believe that when we are close to the Lord, walking daily in the Spirit, then all situations we face are under His Gaze & Control. If to be harmed is our lot, then He will give us Grace to stand with joy (remember martyr Stephen) or the Lord can even alter the course of another's evil intent.

If I could share a personal encounter whilst doing tract & book distribution in a shopping area in Karachi, Pakistan back in 1989. One young Muslim cleric took exception to our work, screaming at me & taking me by the throat. Crowds gathered to see what would transpire while he took centre stage. In giving God the Glory in sharing this now, I stood there & calmly took in his hate-filled gaze, all the while the Lord kept me in peace, to not retaliate, with Proverbs 15:1 controlling my thoughts: "a soft answer turneth away wrath". He finally let go but followed my fellow-brother & myself out of the area. I asked the Lord to hold his eyes from seeing our van, as if our licence plate was made known to the police, this would jeopardize our work there. We crossed the street towards our van & we turned about face to see the man - he was still there on the other side looking around for us, but he couldn't see us - we were in plain sight without any obstacles. He finally left while we stood there, probably perplexed how we could disappear from his view so suddenly. To God be the Glory when we trust Him with our lives & even if evil befall us, we can remain joyous in being in His Will & for His great Love to us.

Thank you Rick for that explanation & I've tried to read those verses accordingly. However, Paul's phraseology & general context, even in verse 7, just doesn't allow me to entertain that interpretation. We'll have to leave it that & allow others who want to read & meditate on this passage, decide whether it speaks of Church leaders or governmental heads. Blessings.