Discuss Romans 15

  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 9 months ago
    Chris,

    Part 2

    God made Jesus Lord, Acts 2:36, made is thee Greek word ginomai that means to come into being, to happen, to become. This was foreordained before the foundation of the world and this Lamb was slain before the foundation of the world, 1 Peter 1:19-20 Revelation 13:8, foreordained the Greek word proginosko means to know beforehand to appoint or decree beforehand.

    I see too many Scriptures that do not agree with the doctrine. I hope this makes sense. This is Scripture without man's knowledge or wisdom 1 Corinthians 1:22 Jeremiah 10:10 10 Malachi 2:10 Mark 12:32

    Paul wrote these; Romans 3:30 Romans 15:6 1 Corinthians 8:6 2 Corinthians 1:3 2 Corinthians 11:31 Ephesians 1:3 Ephesians 1:17 Ephesians 3:14 Ephesians 4:6 Colossians 1:3 1 Timothy 2:5

    Peter wrote this; 1 Peter 1:3

    These are Jesus's words Himself; Matthew 27:46 Same in Mark 15:34 John 14:28 John 17:3 John 20:17 Revelation 3:12

    What this says to me, there is only one true God who is the God and Father of Jesus,

    These Scriptures are clear without our wisdom or knowledge do not agree with the doctrine of the Trinity. I do thank you and again I hope you do not consider me a Gnostic that would be sad, they are more of a philosophical like the immortal soul came from Greek philosophy, I am believer and follower of Jesus our Lord and savior.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 10 months ago
    Kinsman Redeemer.

    Part 5.

    Boaz made sure that extra droppings were left for Ruth and Naomi to pick up.

    Naomi gave specific instructions to Ruth on how to secure back the property of Naomi's husband's family, and gain an inheritance by marrying the kinsman and bearing children.

    During the harvest festival there was a procedure whereby after Boaz had went to sleep on the floor of the grain threshing floor (so as to protect the grain that they had thrashed, separating the wheat from the chaff), Ruth was to go to sleep at his feet, and cover up with the hem of his overcoat.

    Ruth completed this, and during the night Boaz awoke, and she petitioned him to marry her under the law of Levirate marriage.

    Boaz agreed, but determined that there was another kinsman closer in relationship to her.

    Therefore, Boaz approached the individual, and managed to obtain the right of the kinsman redeemer ( Deut. 25:5-11).

    In doing so, this gave him the right to purchase back the land for Naomi's lineage and raised up children for Ruth and her inheritance as one of the tribes of Israel.

    Romans 15:4 states:

    "For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope."

    It is in understanding that everything in God's Word is therefore for a purpose, and everything that God has communicated, especially those things that seem mundane are there as object lessons to teach us - In this case to set up a prophetic role that had two functions which the Messiah would fulfill - wherein Israel could recognize your Messiah.

    God set up the institution of the kinsman redeemer in order to produce a type, a model of what was necessary for Jesus Christ to do in order to die for the sins of the world.

    See Part 6.
  • GiGi - In Reply - 11 months ago
    Hello Valmar,

    I appreciate what you have said here.

    I also believe that the Word teaches that the Holy Spirit is the one who regenerates us through the washing of the word.

    ( Titus 3:5)

    He sanctifies us ( John 17:5) ( Romans 15:16) He gives us life (6:63)

    The Spirit puts to death the works of sin in us ( Romans 8:13)

    He baptizes us into Christ ( 1 Cor. 12:13)

    The Spirit gives us access to the Father ( Eph. 2:18)

    He teaches us. ( John 14:26)

    There are many more things that Scriptures say about what the Spirit does in and for us.
  • Giannis - 1 year ago
    Romans 15:12'

    "And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust."

    Firstly instead of "gentiles" the grk says "nations" (grk ethne). And instead of "trust" it says "hope" (grk elpiousin).

    Which is that reign? A literal reign of Jesus with Israel, as some believe? Or as it seems that it talks about a spiritual kingdom where the other nations really put their hope on Him (for salvation).

    And it goes on in verse 13, thus giving a certainty about which is that kingdom.

    "Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost."
  • Giannis - 1 year ago
    Romans 15:4,

    "For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope."
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hi Jema,

    I'm with you, I believe the Bible is the inspired word of God given to us. A reason we differ, preconceived ideas are obstacles to the truth. We all grow up in cultures where we inherit certain biased beliefs, values, and attitudes from our parents, teachers, religious affiliation, peer groups, and friends. When we study the Bible unless we can clear these obstacles, and beliefs when we read our sub-conscience mind will block the true meaning with the ones we have stored in our mind.

    We must empty our minds as we know nothing, take out the garbage, pray, and let the Spirit of Truth show us the true meaning of what we are studying. We must keep in mind we get milk first and then meat and it can be years between.

    I also believe in one God and Father of all, who is the God and Father of Jesus, the Son of God, the Messiah/Christ.

    John 20:17 Romans 15:6 2 Corinthians 1:3 2 Corinthians 11:31 Ephesians 1:3 Ephesians 1:17 Ephesians 5:20 Colossians 1:3 1 Peter 1:3 1 Corinthians 8:6.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Texsis - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hi Shell, if I may..As GiGi replied, so many translations up to the KJV publishing in 1611 were not always written by council/competent authority so as King, King James appointed competent council giving them the authority to conclude one book, the KJB version(ONLY according to original documents, which there are thousand upon thousands of) & still has not changed. I have a 1698 copy that is 'Jot per Tittle' the same as my KJV from last yr.

    As Hemorlan replied, 'Acts is the transitional book (rightly dividing) OT & NT. For the OT laws were for the Jews i.e. before Jesus DBR (death, burial & resurrection). NT is for All Jews & Gentiles. Christ shed His blood & died for All who choose to believe & All sin past, present & future. Making us All one in salvation.

    As you point out, Romans 15:4..Paul is stating 'For what was written in the past was so we learn from past mistakes & come out unscathed by the world around us. To be strengthened in our hope/faith through patients for the evil around us & be comforted knowing God was w/them then as He is w/us now'. As for 2 Tim3:15, that's partial scripture & is best interpreted/understood if you read entire meaning not merely one verse, 2 Tim 3:12-17.

    As for Matt 5:17-20, Jesus is speaking to the disciples on how things are related/differ tween the OT(Gen-Acts12) & how things will be upon His DBR to come (NT) Acts 13-The Revelation. In Matt:17, He didn't come to destroy anyone/anything but to fulfill prophecy of His Father. God does not make us choose Him, We have 'freewill'. Satan on the other hand will continue to torcher us & those around us till we choose evil. Put on the Armor of God Eph 6:10-18, being guarded from satan devouring souls simply for he knows his Eternity & is angry wanting revenge. Loving God w/all our being, Mark 12:28-33 & of course John 3:12-21. It's not hard as prosperity preachers would have you believe. I for one enjoy learning truth. With His blood, Christ Himself said it best .. "It is finished".
  • Shell surgeon - 1 year ago
    I have been reading recently and again through the books of Genesis, exodus, Leviticus & Numbers. Whenever I do it consistently reminds me of the verses in the New Testament that refer to the Old Testament. Particularly, 2 Timothy 3:15, 16 and 17, Romans 15:4 and Matthew 5:17-20. As all the New Testament was not even evident till long after the Resurrection. When it was canonized into the Holy Bible (king James), we must see the Holiness of the Old Testament, God's voice given to you & me. That is truly what we need to see, the Old joining with the New. That is what completes the Holy Bible and that is what works to complete the human mind. Make it Holy! Set apart.
  • David0921 - 1 year ago
    The Bible (part 2)

    Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

    Luke 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures

    John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

    Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

    Psalms 78:2 I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:

    Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

    Galatians 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

    2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

    2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

    Revelation 22:18,19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

    These are just a sampling of the many verses that speak about the scriptures, the Bible, the Word of God. They should be examined both in their immediate context and the context of the entire Bible if we are to come to Truth regarding the true nature of the Bible.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hey brother S Spencer,

    I know this has been discussed before and we have different understandings, but just have a couple of thoughts to consider, I will not go over all this prophecy just the first of 9:27.

    If I am correct, it is thought the 69th week ended when Jesus' ride into Jerusalem fulfilling Zech. 9:9. Dan. 9:26 says 69 weeks unto the Messiah, should we look over the 3.5 years from when Jesus was baptized and anointed with the Holy Spirit? Look at the multitude that met Him when He rode in, they knew who He was, He came for the lost sheep of Israel.

    The antichrist will make a covenant with Israel. We go to Dan. 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: So here we have the last week/7 years and he is said to be the antichrist.

    "He shall confirm the covenant with many", could he in this verse fit Jesus? Psalms 105:8-11 Isaiah 42:6 Isaiah 49:8 Isaiah 49:6 Romans 15:8 Galatians 3:17 Hebrews 13:20 I could list many more. The word confirm does not mean make, it shows us the covenant already existed. Confirm means to strengthen, to be stronger.

    God made a covenant with Abraham and Abraham said God would provide Himself a Lamb, Genesis 22:7-8, was Jesus this Lamb, Isaiah 53:7 John 1:29 Revelation 5:6. This covenant is with many, Zechariah 2:11 Isaiah 53:11 Matthew 20:28 Matthew 26:28 Romans 5:15,19. Jesus was sent to confirm the promise/covenant made unto Abraham, Romans 15:8. Could Jesus be this he?

    "In the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease" Sacrifice and Oblation, the first word is talking about the daily sacrifices, the Tamid, the morning and evening lamb the same time Jesus was on the cross 9 AM the first to 3 PM the last. Then the second word refers to all of the other offerings presented to the Lord.

    Do you think the sacrifice and oblation was designed by God to completely cease upon the finished work of Jesus on the cross? Hebrews 9.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • MountHoreb - In Reply - 1 year ago
    JRay, Suffering is not normal. when Jehovah ( psalm 83:18) created the earth,

    his motives was for man and woman to take care of the earth. to enjoy his

    creation, to take care of the animals. to enjoy the richness that the earth provided.

    he created the ground to give in abundance, so that poverty was impossible. God

    started the earth in the garden of Eden. Jehovah and the heavens was his the main

    authority to mankind according to Genesis 1,2. there were no kings, rulers in the beginning.

    But this happened to mankind: Genesis 3; Genesis 6; Genesis 19; Job 1,2; Luke 4:1-13

    it just getting worse and worse. 2Timothy 3:1-7

    It's a heavenly war, and a invisible war ( Revelation 12:7-13) we humans may not understand but God has revealed it to us in human terms. although the innocent are dying because of 1 John 5:19. WE KEEP THE HOPE AS GOD WANTS US TO: Romans 15:4-6; Revelation 21:3-5

    We continue in the hope. Job 14:14

    IF YOU READ ALL THESE SCRIPTURES YOU WILL SEE WHY MANKIND ARE SUFFERING.

    I HOPE THIS ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Giannis.

    Part 2.

    Acts 8:5-25.

    I believe in Samaria they had a head knowledge of the things that Phillip was teaching, and they were baptized by water but in this instance, they weren't converted until Peter came and laid hands on them and they received the Holyspirit.

    You can't be saved without the Holyspirit!

    It takes the Holyspirit to show you the things of God, not miracles! 1 Corinthians 2:10-11.

    These people were bewitched by Simon who used sorcery and they presented him to be some great one.

    The unclean spirit can leave a person but it takes the Holyspirit to seal him.

    This reminds me of Matthew 12:43-44.

    "They received the word of God" even Simon!

    When the apostles were able to bring on about the Holyspirit by the laying on of hands then that which they received (The word of God) was sown in them. It took the Holyspirit to seal them, water baptism didn't do it and their head knowledge didn't do it.

    Acts 8:14-24. The Apostles were given this power to demonstrate the power of God. Romans 15:18-19. 2 Corinthians 12;12.

    God bless.
  • Adam - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hello, thanks for sharing but that's not what God says in His word.

    What scripture verse do you claim to be the source of your idea that faith is a result of salvation?

    And what scripture verse do you cite to claim that you're saved now before you're even judged?

    Paul said the one verse you're citing, but did you notice that Paul also warned ( 1 Cor 4:14) Christians to obey and not stray from the faith. God gives you that choice- he will allow you to commit despicable evil as we see people do every day, as is covered by the news. Christians also leave the faith, as evidenced by those we know in person and those forum groups like on Reddit where they talk about it. To deny this reality is to deny truth. Did God cause them to leave the faith? No, people did using their own freewill and bad choices. They will not be saved if they are not following Christ. Not all Christians will be "saved" on judgment day.

    I don't know if you believe in freewill or not, that God is forcing you to type things on this site you don't want to say of if you believe you are doing it. If God forces you to eat things you don't want to eat like Taco Bell or ice cream. But about freewill of course there's only one truth- either its true or not, not both. And its true for me, so are people claiming its not true for them? And is that God speaking through them that its not true or is that their own doing and how can they 100% prove they are not in control of their bodies whatsoever? Some may be deceived and use this as justification to sin against God and perhaps some may be dishonest about it.

    1 Cor 4:5 says to judge nothing before the Lord comes and then the Lord will then judge us, but people seem to like judging themselves as saved so some can then make excuses to disobey God.

    Romans 15:5 Paul says we need endurance. He warns us, says to endure, and 1 Corinthians 9:24 says to run the race so to win the prize. The refutes the popular narrative.

    1 Peter 1:5 - "...salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.”
    Hebrews 10:26, James 2:14-26, Matthew 7:21-23
  • Anna - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Psalm 40:13 kjv: Be pleased, O LORD, to deliver me: O LORD , make haste to help me.

    Psalm 56:7kjv: My heart is fixed , O God, my heart is fixed: I will sing and give praise.

    Mark 4:39 kjv: And he arose, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea,

    Peace be still.

    Romans 15:13 kjv: Now the God of all hope fill you with all joy and peace in

    believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power

    of the Holy Ghost.
  • Giannis - In Reply on Ephesians 6 - 2 years ago
    That is not quite right dear Jacqui.

    Romans 15:30-31

    "Now I beseech you, brethren, for the Lord Jesus Christ's sake, and for the love of the Spirit, that ye strive together with me in your prayers to God for me;

    That I may be delivered from them that do not believe in Judaea; and that my service which I have for Jerusalem may be accepted of the saints;"

    Ephesians 6:19-20

    "Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

    And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

    For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak."

    Colossians 4:2-3

    "Continue in prayer, and watch in the same with thanksgiving;

    Withal praying also for us, that God would open unto us a door of utterance, to speak the mystery of Christ, for which I am also in bonds"

    1 Thessalonians 5:25

    "Brethren, pray for us (Paul says)."

    Acts 12:5

    "Peter therefore was kept in prison: but prayer was made without ceasing of the church unto God for him."

    And many many more. If Perer and Paul needed prayers from others how necessary it is for us to pray for each other?

    James 5:16

    "Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."

    GBU
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Mark 1 - 2 years ago
    Hi Dr Lyle Lee.

    I agree with you on the two Gospels being preached. Where some get confused is they think that means there's 2 means to salvation. But that's not so.

    HERE'S A ARTICLE FROM J VERNON MCGEE ON THIS.

    ( This may take several posts)

    Part 1.

    The gospel of the kingdom is the preaching of John the Baptist: "The kingdom of heaven is at hand" ( Matthew 3:2). We do not preach that gospel today. The Lord Jesus preached it when He first began (see Matthew 4:17), and He sent His disciples out, saying, "Goto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand" ( Matthew 10:6,7). These men went out and preached that, but the day came when that changed. After His death and resurrection He said, "Don't just go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, but go now to the world" (see Mark 16:15). And to the world was to be preached the gospel of Christ. Paul mentions in Romans 15:19, "I have fully preached the gospel of Christ." Read his epistles and you'll find that the gospel he preached was that of the death and resurrection of Christ. He wrote to the Corinthians and said, "I delivered unto you first of all the gospel. And the gospel I preach is the one that you believed in, the one that saved you." Well, what is it, Paul? It's "that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures" ( 1 Corinthians 15:3). That's the gospel, it's nothing but the gospel, and nothing else is the gospel. Even if an angel from heaven appears to you and preaches any other gospel, Paul says let him be accursed! (See Galatians 1:8.) Because there's only one gospel that we are to preach today. We do not preach the gospel of the kingdom. I wish we could get that through today to a great many who are talking about the gospel of the kingdom.

    See part 2.
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Wes gave a wise answer on Christmas. Exodus 23:8, Deuteronomy 16:19, Ecclesiastes 7:7, may The HOLY Spirit teach us. John 14:26

    I love to celebrate Christmas, I really enjoy the lights, the focus on our Savior. The generosity in the season. Christmas is a time of year, people remember more their fellow man, needs & wants of others. Christmas time reminds us of the joys of giving & putting smiles on others faces, teaching by love & kindnesses. Surprising a person with anonymous unexpected gifts, giving hope to people in desperation, food, clothing, volunteering, etc. warms their hearts, body & soul & sometimes gives them hope for a better ' tomorrow '. Christmas is the time of year people are more willing to receive from a Christian.....

    We as Believers have an open door at Christmas unlike any other time of the year, to show the World who Jesus is, who the Church is.

    When we remember those most "forgotten by others" showing them, they are not forgotten by GOD, it's amazing how even those around them are affected.

    Deuteronomy 15:7, Job 5:16, Proverbs 19:4, Psalms 69:33, Proverbs 14:21, 2Corinthians 9:9, Psalms 68:10, Galatians 2:10, Romans 15:26, Psalms 40:17, Proverbs 22:2, Psalms 41:1, Luke 14:13, Psalms 74:21, Proverbs 29:7, Proverbs 28:27, Psalms 112:9, Psalms 82:3, Daniel 4:27, Proverbs 21:13, Proverbs 31:10,20, context Proverbs 31, Proverbs 19:17, Proverbs 19:7, Luke 4:18, Matthew 11:5, Mark 10:21,

    Proverbs 19:6, Esther 9:22, James 1:27,

    This Christmas season we really have a moment to help comfort, our nations with love, giving hope through the WORD, to poor in spirit & helping heal wounds. There is much we can give this year, for those in need. I pray GOD lead us even now, to start the giving season early. Romans 6:23, 2Corinthians 1:4, Proverbs 15:23,

    Psalms 31:24, Ecclesiastes 3:1,
  • T. Levis - 2 years ago
    Hope

    Here are some scriptures on hope, when & if anyone needs it:

    Psalms 31:24, Psalms 33:18, Psalms 38:15, Psalms 71:5, Psalms 78:7, Psalms 119:114, Psalms 130:7, Psalms 146:5, Jeremiah 17:7, Ecclesiastes 9:4, Lamentations 3:21-26, Joel 3:16, Romans 5:5, 2Corinthians 1:7,

    Psalms 147:11, Romans 12:12, 1Timothy 1:1, Psalms 139, Romans 8:14-39

    Romans 15:4, Romans 15:13,

    Hope these are encouraging
  • Ronnette on 2 Timothy 2 - 2 years ago
    2 Timothy 2:15 is a powerful verse. If we do not learn how to rightly divide the word of truth, we will be lost understanding the chain of events from the time God brought the Hebrews from the Land of Egypt until The Christ Lord Jesus died on the cross up to our time today which is approximately 2,000 years. Honestly, we do not have time. As you all noticed the rapid days go by quickly as God says 2 Peter 3:8 and you see Psalms 2:1-12

    I do not mind repeating to all that the Bible is a complete book Revelation 19:13 for us today to prepare ourselves and others. I pray all to be saved. We cannot have the people caught unaware of Matthew 24:37. To rightly divide is to know for us today what we need to do. So I will say that the 11 apostles messages are important for the physical Jews Matthew 10:5-7 at the end time; and there are verses in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John that pertains to a spiritual Christians of today.

    God had chosen Paul to be His vessel so we can read and believe not in vain. Study the Book of Romans to Philemon because he was the Last and believe it or not the 12th Apostle Galatians 1:1, Acts 9:15, Acts 13:47, Acts 22:21, Roman's 11:13, Ephesians 3:8, 1 Timothy 2:7, Galatians 1:16. After Jesus died He says Hebrews 9:14-17. Then you are Ephesians 1:12-14, 2 Timothy 2:19 and 2 Corinthians 1:22. Therefore, 1 Corinthians 9:2 just like Romans 15:28. Ephesians 4:30 and sing Psalms 49:8, 111:9, 130:7. In conclusion my fellow-believers, Paul is sealed 1 Corinthians 9:2 by God to be our apostle today. Weneedtoputtheworkof Paul not in vain Galatians 6:11. Paul tells us Romans 2:16, Romans 16:25, 2 Timothy 2:8. And the gospel is 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. Then we are sealed Ephesians 1:13. Perhaps you are not understanding me because Revelation 18:4, Proverbs 20:1, Roman's 7:11, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Corinthians 15:33, Galatians 6:7, 1 Timothy 2:14, 2 Timothy 3:13, Titus 3:3, and lastly Revelation 18:23. Psalm 37:1-40 then we meditate Psalms 27:1-3. Shalom/Agape.
  • Ronnette (My Prayers to ALL) See YOU in the cloud on 1 Thessalonians 5:18 - 2 years ago
    Myfarewellmessagetothissite Matthew 10:14, Luke 9:5. God tells me to go back and convince one more time the people reading this site-must know that God sent his only begotten Son to destroy sins. He died once for all of us Galatians 3:28 in a very powerful way. A pattern that is similar in the Old Testament-sacrificial shedding of blood of the lamb. God knows we cannot save ourselves. So we need a Saviour Jesus Christ. He did it for us All. My prayers are to help everyone understand this basic concept and many will be saved. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. We do not believe in vain, nor we put the work of ALL apostles, most especially Paul who was the last apostle to write plethora of information for everyone to be saved. Remember the Bible is complete by itself. God gave us a free gift of grace Romans 5:15-18. The ten Commandments are for us to see how sinful we are. That is why Paul calls it a schoolmaster Galatians 3:24-25. So when you believe, trust and have faith in Jesus Christ's blood that He shed for our sins Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:2; 1 John 4:10 we die with Him Galatians 2:20. That is the baptism without submerging yourself into the water Acts 1:5, Acts 10:47,Roman's 6:3, Galatians 3:27, 1 Corinthians 10:2. We are not divided Christians 1 Corinthians 1:13-16, 1 Corinthians 12:13. Once you are saved you are sealed Ephesians 1:13, 2 Corinthians 1:22, John 6:27. Jesus sent Paul to seal us Gentiles Romans 15:28. So grieve not Ephesians 4:30. When the Holy Spirit is in you you do not want to commit sin, if you do, you are letting your old self to dominate your spirit. We are walking in the Spirit of God. God already won. Do not let Satan defeat you (on going Spiritual warfare) that is why let every thought to be with God 2 Corinthians 10:5. I came back to fulfill with the help of the Holy Spirit to ask that you trust only Jesus and not yourself here on earth. Let Jesus do the rest. It is indeed true OSAS.Sealed is sealed.You reap what you sow on earth. Peace&joy to ALL.
  • GiGi - In Reply on Romans 15 - 2 years ago
    David, we do not know that Paul was the only one who was given the teaching on the Body of Christ. We have not heard what the other apostles and disciples knew, preached, or wrote. so, I don't believe that your statement that Paul alone was given this teaching by the Lord and that Jesus did not also give it to the other apostles. Paul did not evangelize ALL of the Gentile world. Many of the disciples and apostles went to areas Paul never did and preached the Gospel. I believe that they had all of the knowledge that Paul had. But, as it happened, mostly Paul's writings have survived from that time period to be included in the canon of N.T. Scripture.

    To make a statement that Paul alone had the teaching of the Body of Christ is to argue from the point of absence of extant recordings of what the other apostles taught. We do not know what they taught, so we cannot definitively say they did or did not have the fullness of information that Paul also received from the Lord.
  • GiGi again - In Reply on Romans 15 - 2 years ago
    Dear 8152757794

    I must clarify that in Ephesians 3:2 it does say "dispensation of the grace of God, which was given to me for you." (NIV)

    This does not indicate that it is a period of time, rather that Paul has been given the administrative task of dispensing the Gospel to the Gentiles as God called him to do.

    There is not a mention in the Bible of any":

    of the "dispensations" listed by Darby and espoused by ardent dispensationalists. I prefer to speak about God revealing Himself and His plan/promise of salvation across the ages, not all at once, but as an unfolding from time period to time period until it reached it's fulfillment in Jesus.

    I do not have a problem with people thinking of dispensations in this way, but I do not follow the thinking that there are 7 dispensations across times. I believe that the redemptive plan of the Godhead has remained the same since before creation. It was promised and prophesied until it reached its end in Jesus Christ.

    I think that many dispensationalist teach error concerning that there are multiple ways for people to be saved across the ages, not one way, that of faith in God's promised salvation in a Redeemer to come, for the O.T. saints, and in the Redeemer who has come, for N.T. believers. I think also many these people teach error when they say that the only Scripture that applies to Gentiles are the epistles of Paul. Because of these errors, I cannot embrace dispensationalism.
  • Ronnette - In Reply on Romans 15 - 2 years ago
    Hello David:

    I agree with you. I have noticed Dispensationalism has a negative interpretation and understanding. Maybe I will not use the word. I use Dispensation only on what Paul mentioned 4X on his epistles. But I think we have the same understanding. I am happy to have found someone like you. Agape.
  • David - In Reply on Romans 15 - 2 years ago
    Hello Ronnette I am personally not moved or persuaded when discussed dispensationalism because that is mans idea

    or meaning of what God did at the time He wanted to do it. You can put there administration of grace which is what it is.

    The only time in the History of the world when by confessing Romans 10:9+10 and believing it in your heart that jew or

    gentile could be born again of holy spirit and receive christ in them a resurrected spiritual body. Think about it jesus christ

    is seated at gods right hand and we have that spiritual body in us. This is not believed because people say its too good to

    be true. But in my mind thats how great and big our father is. Lastly look at 1 Corinthians 2:6-8 if the princes of this world

    have known what god was going to do on Pentecost they would not have crucified Christ. Why because when he was alive he

    was only at one place at a time, now evertime a person gets born again and really believes its christ in them. Thats how great

    what we have is. Incredible but thats the truth of Gods Word.
  • David - In Reply on Romans 15 - 2 years ago
    Ronnette I'm convinced if the body of christ the CHURCH OF GOD in the age of grace would walk and believe and

    renew our minds to the doctrine reproof and correction of the church epistles and believe Ephesians 4:1-6 it would be

    spiritually a new day and time. There were no denominations in the book of acts and what Paul was always spiritually

    fighting was unbelief in the body of christ due to people walking by the flesh and picking each other apart instead of

    walking 1 corinthians 13. So we endeavor to walk Agapeo which is the highest calling. Love in Christ
  • GiGi - In Reply on Romans 15 - 2 years ago
    The Bible does not say anywhere that we are in the "dispensation of Grace". That is an invented phrase from the likes of James Nelson Darby, who began this dispensational teaching in the 1830's. Since the scriptures do not teach this, I consider it false teaching.
  • Ronnette - In Reply on Romans 15 - 2 years ago
    Hello David:

    Praise and glory to God. 1 Corinthians 4:1 Let a man do account of us, as of the ministers of Christ and stewards of the mysteries of God.

    2 Timothy 2:14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.

    15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

    17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;

    18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

    19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

    Let us grow in Charity and grace in One BODY OF CHRIST. Agape.
  • David - In Reply on Romans 15 - 2 years ago
    Ronnette I absolutely agree with your reading of scripture, Jesus Christ came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel as stated in the gospels and the church epistles. The apostle paul was specifically called out to the gentiles because the judeans were still

    working in the law although they were operating GODS GIFT OF GRACE. The APOSTLE PAUL WAS SPECIFICALLY GIVEN THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE ONE BODY IN CHRIST Ephesians 3:1-9 also Colossians 1;25-29. Thats why Romans through thessalonians

    is the complete knowledge of the operation of the church in the grace administration or age.
  • GiGi again - In Reply on Romans 15 - 2 years ago
    Giannis, there is a segment of the Christian population that adheres to dispensationalism. I have been aware of this for a long time. You can look it up on the internet.

    What Ronnette is espousing is called ultra-dispensationalism and is new to me. I researched it last night to find out more. I suggest that you do too in order to understand more of what believe. I do not support her views.
  • Giannis - In Reply on Romans 15 - 2 years ago
    Hello Ronnette

    About dispensation, I asked the question because I figured it's about some kind of specific belief among some christians. Is there a belief that is called "dispensationalism"?

    Now about that "properly dividing the word of truth" that Paul wrote to Timothy in 2 Timothy 2:15

    The very precise meaning of the greek word "orthotomisis" that has been translated in KJV as "properly dividing' is exactly that. BUT in greek it literally means "teaching the word of God property". It has another meaning than what it sounds. It has nothing to do with division. This is one of these words that when translated in other languages exactly as it is, it looses its actuall meaning. Probably its very initial meaning was to "divide between the right and false Word of God", so actually meaning to teach the proper Word of God.

    Well, I made a research on internet to see how other English Bible versions translated this verse, and I randomly picked some and quote them below:

    New International version "and who correctly handles the word of truth"

    New living translation"and who correctly explains the word of truth"

    American standard version "handling aright the word of truth"

    Holeman Christians standard Bible "correctly teaching the word of truth"

    As you can see none of them is referring to "division". I would say the last one is closer to the right meaning.

    So since I think we could agree then that actually Paul says to Timothy to teach the right Word of God, can you please tell me now what in your opinion are those "more things" that Paul taught to gentiles, that do not apply to Jews?


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