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"And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;"
This verse; in a nutshell explains how; following man's expulsion from Eden that Adam's descendants-more or less willingly walked away from what they knew intellectually about God through the testimony of Adam and others who lived many hundreds of years into idol worship. This would result in the end of the antidiluvian world when Noah entered the ark; and would also signify the reason why God would use Israel to wipe out pagan nations once their "iniquity was at the full" (See Genesis 15:16 for earlier example). Israel was warned repeatedly not to follow the customs of the surrounding nations which often came through intermarriage or by obtaining cursed items. Sadly they hardened their hearts ( Jeremiah 32:35) to do the horrible act in Hinnom of sacrificing their children to Molech in the fire. God also judged Sodom; Gomorrah and the surrounding cities for the behaviors of men there of sodomy. Proverbs 14:34 states that righteousness exalts a nation but sin is a reproach to any people.
This verse shows that there is a process involved when people drift off into sin; we all can see evidence of God in the Creation; even the Godhead as Romans 1:20 indicates (see also Psalm 19). Acts 8:23 shows someone in the gall of bitterness and bond of iniquity. This was Simon the Sorcerer; whose story began in verse 9. AFTER being baptized and claiming to be a believer he somehow thought he could buy the powers that the Apostles had of laying hands on people and having them receive the Holy Ghost. He was warned that he had no part in their ministry by Peter; and at the end of the story he asked them to pray for him.
It is hard to say exactly what Peter warned would happen to him or if he truly repented. We see; however a warning that it more than power in the gifts but the giver of gifts we worship.
The KJV is itself went through a number of revisions. The version currently published by the Trinitarian Bible Society contains [rightly or wrongly] words and phrases found in NO GREEK MANUSCRIPT.
My earlier question re the source of the words "of Christ" in Romans 1:16 is an example of this issue.
As far as I am able to ascertain NO Greek MS has those words. The earliest I have found is in the 1519 Greek and Latin New Testament of Erasmus. Those words, "of Christ" in Romans 1:16 may be one of Erasmus's 'conjectural emendations'.
I will continue to research that source.
Allow me to add that the translation philosophy employed by the translation committees of the KJV is probably THE BEST POSSIBLE, notwithstanding the occasional failures in applying that philosophy.
NUNC VIVAMUS
At that time is "the transition" to include all us gentiles = of all nations was in play.
Romans = doctrine
As Paul progresses in order in his gospels with doctrine Reproof & correction mixed in..
Note: We are truly justified in Romans 3:24-26 equals Gods free gift!
(Please also note Ro. Chapters 9/10/11 where Paul is speaking to his brethren/ Israelites/ at that present time beseeching them & only them to perform Ro. 10:9 as we know praying is a work & how the Jews at that present time in their life THEY would be accepted by The Lord. Some of that (rightly dividing of course) is for both!
Scotty as you read God inserts into the reader his understanding bc God knows who is serious & who is not. God knows the beginning to the end and the end to the beginning!
Knowing that God is a God of order & the simplicity in Christ Jesus!
Jesus tells us to follow Apostle Paul & His "establishment commandment." Romans 16:26 Thus, we read daily starting in Romans & when we are done for that day take a tassel & mark that ( where we will begin to read the next day) & do our daily business
Later, we read again in Genesis & when done tassel that page. So, each day we continue this (and will read Ro to Rev.) many times more as we progress through the scriptures of the prophets
Then when we completed Acts, "Proclaiming God wins and the devil loses"! Restarting the same process again
That's Gods Establishment Commandment!
Also, Romans through Revelation guides us in what's going on these days. Example Romans 1:27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Thus read Ecclesiastes 1:9
To be able to get into the letters or discourses of say, the early Church fathers (Ignatius, Polycarp, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, etc.) could be a formidable task. I hope that you will, in time & diligence, be able to source the information you seek - and if you remember us here, maybe post your findings which should make very interesting reading. Blessings.
Can someone tell me the source of the words "of Christ"? Is this a mere explanatory inclusion?
Thank you for any help you can give.
Romans 1:16
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek."
They are god's chosen people whom through their fall we have obtained salvation.
Romans 11:11
"I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy."
It was god's good pleasure to do this so that we may all be saved and become one.
Galatians 3:36-29
26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
It was his promise from the beginning.
Genesis 26:4
"And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;"
Right now things are going to well for any of the nations including Israel.
Revelations 18:1-3
1And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. 2And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. 3For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Keep preaching and praying because the 7 last plagues are coming soon.
Hello Cheryl1655. We need to understand, as the Bible shows us, that God had chosen a people for Himself: a people who would learn about this great God of Heaven, their Creator, this God Who is Holy & wants His creation to also be holy (fully separated to God), & a God Who wants to pour out His Love upon His greatest Handiwork of creation that they might also reciprocate that love to Him, albeit imperfectly. So Adam & Eve & their descendants, even till Abraham, Isaac & Jacob were not counted as Jew or Gentile (at least not until the name change of Jacob & his seed following), but were just God's creation like everyone created. But God in His Wisdom & Plan, selected those to whom His Word & Love would be directed & through these folk God's Plan for the Hebrew people (later called Israelites & Israel), would unfold & they would receive His Law, His prophets, His blessings, & His loving care, like no other people on the Earth & ultimately through them their Messiah would come.
Did God then reject all other persons living in other parts of the world? Even though those through Noah's son, Shem, received God's attention & abundant care, those scattered around the world still had knowledge of the True God (through Ham & Japheth, later referred to as Gentiles), but their knowledge & worship would have deteriorated & become fused with animism, worship of heavenly bodies, idol worship, etc. And this of course, led to further gross sin & separation from God & the knowledge of Him ( Romans 1:18-25). Were these people completely without connection to the God of Heaven? Were they, not having God's Laws & Love revealed to them, then able to find excuse to behave in such a manner? Onto page 2.
So when someone comes to God in faith and He Himself will complete the fermentation.
In Romans 1 chapter there is much good. First, Paul thanks the Lord. So he says in romans 1:16-17. The gospel has the power of God unto salvation FOR EVERY ONE WHO BELIEVES.
After it comes a lot of things we christians can do. Here we got a Pattern of What These Christians Are and what we not going to do!
Wicked Christians Do This Things.
Stand strong in the word of God, He will do the work. And He needs ppl like u and me who dare to speak the truth.
Romans 1 chapter. Love u in Christ.
I do agree that it is only through the blood and sacrifice and perfect life of Jesus that we are saved. But the Bible also says that faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. ( Romans 10:13-17) Paul said that he is not ashamed of the Gospel for it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth. ( Romans 1:26) So we are to know what the Gospel is and we are to share the Gospel with others. We are to study the Scriptures to show ourselves approved of God ( 2 Tim. 2:15) It is important to trust fully in the work of God in Christ for our salvation, be are to grow in grace and knowledge of Jesus. We find knowledge of Him in the written word-the Bible.
Dear Alex, your postings seem to denigrate the value and holiness of the Scriptures and in a way defames them. I know that you offend refer to multiple Scripture texts in most of your posts. So when you speak against the Scriptures you are sending a confusing message-on the one hand you seem to think that citing Scripture is important for the promotion of your point of view -and on the other hand you denounce the Scriptures.
So, I think that you can make your point in a way that does not slander the Scriptures. Please consider finding out how to do that in your posts. David is right. The Scriptures are our authority, not people's feelings, dreams, visions, "prophecies", or rational reasoning. I know that you value the Word, Alex, but in recent posts your wording sounds like you don't.
P.S. Yes I am married to a wonderful woman that is supporting me in this fast and is helping through this. She prays for me every day.
As I have brought up in earlier messages; it isn't enough to say that Christ is the center of our lives; He IS our life.
Of course; we have the world; the flesh and the Devil to overcome. ( James 3:15). it is hard; if not impossible to have a clear division or demarcation as to which of these influences is affecting us; no doubt all three need to be dealt with to truly live a Spirit filled life of Holiness. Besetting sins are necessary to overcome; according to the principles of 1 Corinthians 10:13. It is what is behind the sins; the inherent weaknesses in ourselves which tends to be the source we need to examine as well. Some of us have fears; obsessions of various kinds; or personality issues that repeatedly get us into trouble. If we are saved then we need to be mindful that Satan's minions are using the world to draw us in; and sins usually begin in the mind. ( Romans 1:21).
There is a need for deliverance for those who are oppressed; and that often doesn't happen until someone is ready to be open about sins and the legal access the enemy has to them. If there isn't any transparency there then of course we risk the warning that seven more demons can come into us ( Luke 11:26). I would add that we need to know who we should and should NOT ask to pray in that regard. Those who have besetting sins or lifestyles of sin are people to avoid; lest whatever is attached to them takes a hold on us. I am firmly convinced that ANY Spirit filled believer is capable of a deliverance ministry; and often people are set free when a congregation in general has a healthy fear of the Lord.
Let us remember as Ephesians 2:6 states we are seated in heavenly places. This world is not our home.
Agape; RP
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Romans 1:21-28
21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
These are few verses maybe they will help.
21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death;
Acts 11:2 Peter, was come up to Jerusalem._._. Acts 11:13, the man in Joppa, sent men to call for Peter, it doesn't seem to mention the name of the man, nor the other men Peter ministered to. Acts 11:17, Peter talking explained the Gentile was also given the Holy Spirit & Salvation, not just Jewish people. Galatians 3:28, Romans 1:16,
Luke 24, Peter was one of the 1st witnesses to see the empty
tomb. Luke 24:12, John 21, Jesus meets with Peter after resurrection again & tells him If you love Me feed My lambs.
Acts 2, shows Peter speak boldly in front of thousands Acts 2:14-47,
Hopefully these are helpful
Surely; our sins will find us out ( Numbers 32:23). As will all things we say in the closet will be spoken on the rooftops ( Luke 12:3). Even Paul struggled as he said that he continued to do things that he hates ( Romans 7:15).
As long as we exist in these mortal fallable bodies our capacity for sin remains. That will; of course be done away with when the "perishable puts on the imperishable" ( 1 Cor. 15:53-57). As for now; we must remain "proactive" in order to catch things at the pass before they affect our minds; and then take a foothold on our souls.
The imaginations of men and the mind is where Satan takes a foothold. Romans 12:2 tells us to be thus "transformed by the renewing of our minds."
To understand sin we must see the root of the problem that is; our sin "nature". Such a term isn't specifically used in scripture; but we see how the "INTENT of the thoughts of their hearts were only evil continually." ( Gen. 6:5). I highlighted the word intent to show that there is a deliberate desire to sin; once men are totally unrestrained and we see this reflected in society today. Such behaviors also result in what happens in Romans 1:32 where sins of others are celebrated; as it were. Such is evident in many movements and demonstrations today.
There are specific ways in which sins have a stronghold; these include repeated patterns and established habits; family upbringing; demonic influence as to enhanced appeal of sensual and other experiences (or "highs") whether drug induced or not; music; support from friends; and other individual circumstances. The difference; of course between a true Christian and the rest of the world is that now we have the choice to pursue His righteousness and live in grace as the Holy Spirit sanctifies us. This allows us to be "treasure in earthen vessels" ( 2 Cor. 4:7) living out our days in fear (see 1 Peter 1:17).
More on walking in faith later.
You're referring to a reply of mine to "Ruby Lea Read?
You stated Your friends told you not to give any personal info , be careful to protect my identity on the internet etc , I'm still learning the rules . I'm shy , I'm guessing others are too , surely we are all allowed to be a bit cagey when it comes to personal info ? Doesn't the message matter more than the messenger ?
HOW DID YOU KNOW I WAS QUESTIONING THE IDENTITY?
The truth and deception could have easily been the message.
I agree that the message is what's all important.
As Paul said in Romans 1:16 "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth"
I feel we should take that approach also, With BOLDNESS!!
Now concerning this doctrine, it is familiar.
Recently presented by
Earl Bowman.
Prophecy.
and Old man Wilson.
Their beliefs were,
There is no consequences to sin,
There is no Hell.
and we all will become God's.
THE RIGHTEOUS AND THE UNRIGHTEOUS!!
We are not saved from any wrath so there is no salvation.
So this doctrine renders the Love of God shown in John 3:16 a mistake or unnecessary.
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
I hope my disagreeing to this ( no matter who is preaching it) doesn't bother you.
God bless.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
There are people twisting the truth about God's will and how he perceives us as all sinners. We are actually afraid to speak our minds, run our businesses, be able to shun them for their lusts, refuse to allow them to be a part of us for fear of man's law, to be in the spot light of their judgement. Verse 24 explains how God gave them up and how He felt about their lifestyle.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;.
The final verse should resonate with all of us because I'm having difficulty seeing how allowing it to surround me in public, with use of the the rainbow (which is suppose to be a symbol of God's promise), in our schools with God's children, and in the title of holy matrimony that somehow I am forced to accept it or have any pleasure in that acceptance. Does it not imply in verse 32 all that take any pleasure in them that commit such things are worthy of death?
32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
In the life of Christ; we see the perfect example for our own lives; that is Christ doing nothing except the Father's will. ( John 5:19). We are likewise instructed to learn to do the "good and perfect will of God" as described at the end of Romans 12:2.
I would strongly urge everyone here to study and memorize Romans 12:1-2 as it is a "package deal" in regard to what I am saying here and of course; more importantly the will of God for our lives after we are saved and being sanctified. We are "aliens" in this world and pilgrims if we are His own ( 1 Peter 2:11-12). This requires due diligence to not only fight indwelling sin; but to realize that the whole world system and those "powers and principalities" running it ( Eph. 6:12) are enemies which we fight against as the Spirit contends against the flesh. Without understanding the source of our temptations which as belivers is Satan then we are unable to recognize things that are affecting our "vain imaginations" ( Romans 1:21) as with the rest of the unregenerate to find solace and comfort in this world and what is seen by our eyes and promoted as things that will make us content. The enemy can only affect us if we allow access through our mind and senses to give him a stronghold; so that is why we need to have an Ephesians 6 mindset. Ephesians 6:16 on the fiery darts of the enemy and our shield of armor in the spiritual realm is particularly vital.
Sadly we have the natural tendency to look on things that are pleasing to our eyes (such as attractive women) and thus we need to ask God to show us how following His good and perfect will means we are to love those we are naturally repulsed toward and to find our greatest joys in service toward His Body which He purchased with His own blood ( Acts 20:28). That verse makes it clear that it is His church rather than our own. That comes from a proper fear of the Lord and a mature walk.
1. False converts, Justifying sin; "confessional regeneration".
a. False converts: There are those who deliberately enter in whether Satan worshippers or those attempting to fleece people for money that know how to recite scriptures and use it to their advantage to reel unsuspecting people in and attempt to manipulate them. I have seen these things in a former church; I won't get into details here. Many who are "tares" aren't aware themselves that they are and therefore we must "know them by their fruits." ( Matt. 7:16).
b. Justifying sin: In order to get others to approve of wrong actions as well as justifying certain behaviors; we see error today ( Romans 1:32). This is again another thing I have seen from previous experience in church where those living in obvious sin (including shacking up as well as in same sex relations) thought that they could somehow become church members. In my opinion when there is sin within the camp and a lack of fear of the Lord such individuals are given latitude to "slip in unawares" and wreak havoc. There was enough scripture taught that eventually these people stopped attending or it became more infrequent. Thankfully; one couple decided to marry after being convicted of living that way; or at least upped the ante some.
Again; it is easy to look at sexual sins and obvious failings and not look at pride and jealousy and gossip as being dangerous elements threatening to tear apart the unity in a church. ALL of these things; of course are covered in scripture and in this case you can't make a "literal vs figurative" argument. To look at how one path has led to a domino effect we only need to examine increasing divorces post WW2; followed; of course by increasing numbers of remarriages. Then we see the next generation more likely to be single parents; then the 1970's free love; and now today's LGBQ etal trends.
I have been doing a Psalms project and am about half way through. David's Psalms in particular often talk about things that could either relate to Christ; and/or himself. Prophetically the amount these things intersect is quite interesting; and is not limited to Psalms; it is found in Isaiah and many other texts as well. This is another proof that no man could possibly invent the Bible; and the fact that much prophecy has multiple future applications is a further dimension bolstering that point.
You could go to Romans 1 of course where the Godhead and knowledge thereof is said to be clear to all. ( Romans 1:19).
That corresponds to the message in Psalm 19.
Interesting in my opinion there seems to be less conceptually today in the "church age" or at least in what I have read and talked about with others the understanding of God the Father in the Godhead. Maybe it is my issue; I can see how God so loved the world from John 3:16 but of course we go through Christ even though we see God in Him and by the Spirit living in us. I find it interesting that before coming to faith I saw God in nature but didn't understand what was wrong with the world (didn't see my own sin at the time very clearly or at least only in specific areas). Once I came to faith I realized that it was only evidence of God I understood previously and not Christ as He was at all. Only later did I realize that I didn't know God at all before then after I understood Christ was in reality God in the flesh. Hope that makes sense! Now I can only anticipate the day when I am released from this old sinful flesh into glory!
I don't understand your first question about where God isn't. If He's omnipresent then I suppose your answer would be nowhere. I also think of God being more some places than other places, however, like more heaven and less in hell. We as humans don't even fully comprehend how we ourselves exist or how or why our bodies operate in certain ways, so it shouldn't be a surprise that we don't fully understand God.
For your second question, did you first do a search and were you unable to find verses for this? Because I typed it in an internet search and immediately showed results in John and 1 John. Surely you aren't asking others to do things for you that you haven't tried yourself; what phrases did you try?
For your third I don't know that word nex.
Fourth, how do you know love exists if you've never seen it? God is love. 1 John 4:8. This is a metaphor and doesn't mean He is only love. Have you ever seen a painting that painted itself instead of a painter? Have you ever seen a building that built itself without a builder? Have you ever seen a design that designed itself without a designer? We exist. That is a provable fact. You exist. The earth, the animals, our bodies, DNA, laws of physics, hydrology, and all the amazing features and complexities of the world we live in show that we are designed. Because science has ever once witnessed intelligent designs that design themselves, it logically indicates we were designed by a designer. Romans 1:20 - it is evident by the creation that there is a creator.
God bless.
Beware of Calvinism. It mocks the character of GOD and is a false gnostic gospel. Study to see it is so. All scripture in the Bible show otherwise.
Paul a bondservant of Christ -Here Paul is captive to Jesus Christ but before his redemption from sins he was in captivity in sins.
Thanks to God i just learned this when you asked this question
Give thanks to God always in all things.
So Jesus described the character of this generation. He says that an evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign.
So please be careful if you are a "signs and wonders" seeker. Jesus said that a wicked and an adulterous generation seeks for a sign. It is adultery, it is spiritual adultery!
Did Jesus perform miracles and give signs? Yes. But they were to point to Him. People were not supposed to follow signs, and we are still not supposed to follow them today, but many still do.
We know from 2 Thessalonians Chapter 2 that the antichrist, when he comes, that he is going to perform signs and wonders, miracles, and he's going to say that he is god and he's going to deceive many.
I think that people are setting themselves up today, and they are making it easy for themselves to be deceived when the antichrist comes. Some are constantly looking for signs that point to the end time.
We as believers do not need signs. We are told three times in the New Testament that we are to live by faith. ( Romans 1:17, Galatians 3:11, Hebrews 10:38)
However, Jesus talked about how bad people would become in the last days. ( Luke 21:8-28) It's just like Sodom and Gomorrah out there. And Paul talked about it too. ( Romans 1:18-32)
Don't cha know that quoting scripture is the new Hate Speech????? People want to sin and not feel bad about it. These people have been given over to a reprobate mind and their hearts are hardened. Everything evil is considered good, and everything good is considered evil. They don't want to hear the Gospel. Meanwhile, the Christ-deniers are setting themselves up to be the good guys. Millions of people are being deceived.
All we CAN do is pray for people, 'cause talking to them is like talking to a brick wall. So if I don't warn someone in person & verbally- am I still responsible??: "his blood will I require at thine hand".