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Hi Jim Miller

Greetings in Christ JESUS

See. Dan, like the SDA sect, interprets it literally differently from you. Actually, they interpret that just like the Pharisees, and Scribes, and Priests, our Lord JESUS also kept the Law of the 10 commandments that GOD gave to Moses and his body-the people of Israel- to keep them.

Paul the Apostle, a former Pharisee extremist, knew very well to distinguish the difference between what GOD gave to Moses and to JESUS, what was given to Moses was the dead letter of the Law, and Israel was as always a simply sinful nation, but what was given to JESUS is the Spirit of the Law, the only one capable of giving life to the disciples of Him, JESUS really FULFILLED the Law. GOD is Spirit.

By the way, the body without the Spirit is dead ( James 2:26), the dead do not praise the Lord ( Psalm 119:17), so the keepers (Jews or Gentiles) of the dead letter of the Law of Moses that lasted until John the Baptist as JESUS warned, they all are dead, and they do not praise the Lord at all, they do not believe in the revelation and determination of JESUS that the dead letter of the Law given to Moses lasted only and only until John the Baptist. period

The heavens(the 1st and 2nd heavens, i.e. the Dispensations of the Old and New Testaments(the 3rd heaven shall be still established- Luke 20:35-36, among other biblical references) and the earth(the current rebel Israel), which are now, by the same Word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against this Day of Judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Romans 2:12&14

12 For as many as have sinned without Law(the Gentiles) shall also PERISH without Law: and as many as have sinned in the Law(the Jews) shall be JUDGED by the Law;

14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the Law, do by nature the things contained in the Law, these, having not the Law, are a Law unto themselves:

13 (For not the hearers of the Law are just before GOD, but the doers of the Law shall be justified.

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Oseas. You wrote, "The Law was established to put a moral discipline among the people which GOD had freed from Pharaoh's yoke." Of course, the Law did just that & of course, they had to obey it PERFECTLY. Wasn't this so? If it wasn't so, why did they suffer punishment or be killed - why not just keep a set of rules for them to follow the best way they could? The Law represented God's Standards for His people & failure to do so meant punishment - and fail they did. None could keep His Law perfectly, or else there would be no need for the sacrifices each year for the people & for personal sins. So the Law presented a "moral discipline", but also showed the condition of the human heart & the weakness of the flesh when they failed to obey God.

When Paul wrote about the Gentiles & their law & conscience ( Romans 2:14,15), he was referring to humanity's inner 'coding' in the conscience by which they know the right & proper things to do (in relation to each other & before an unseen God). These never received any of God's Laws, but their hearts will be judged because they couldn't even obey the dictates of their own consciences. So, both the Jew (with the Law), and the Gentile (without the Law, but having that inward law operating), stand condemned for their sins. The battle wasn't "between God & the Devil in having the dominion of the people", for Israel could never obey the Law anyway, as Satan would always have the victory. The battle was within Israel's heart - a heart of sin, subject to sin's demands upon them, & given over to Satan. See Paul's account of this in Romans 7:7-14 (the Law revealed his sin; he then died spiritually because of it - nothing to do with God's battles). Instead of fighting the Devil for souls, God provided His Own Sacrifice & His Own Spirit to redeem sinners.

You mentioned 'interpretation by the Spirit' & then "they died by the letterincluding the gods". Do you actually understand Psalm 82:6,7 & Isaiah 41:23, when you write these things?

Hi John ray

Greetings in Christ JESUS

In fact it is very sad, and it is happening in whole world, and the worst it to still come for all nations. Read what JESUS said and warning the whole world by His word: Luke 21:22-36. Take a look.

By the way, there is no effect without cause. See this one example below, among many other since ancient time:

2 Chronicles 36:14-16

14 Moreover all the chief of the priests, and the people, transgressed very much after all the abominations of the heathen; and polluted the house of the Lord which he had hallowed in Jerusalem.

15 And the Lord GOD of their fathers sent to them by His messengers, rising up betimes, and sending; because He had compassion on His people, and on his dwelling place:

16 But they mocked the messengers of GOD, and despised His words, and misused His prophets, until the wrath of the Lord arose against His people,till THERE WAS NO REMEDY. (Now it is not and will not be different, THERE IS NO REMEDY, unfortunately.)

Romans 2:5-11

5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous Judgment of GOD;

6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, ETERNAL life:

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, INDIGNATION and wrath,

9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11 For there is no respect of persons with GOD.

2Peter 4:17-18

17 The time is come that Judgment must begin at the house of GOD: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of GOD?

18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

INTRODUCTION TO ROMANS (Part 8):

VIII. SECTION OUTLINE OF THE BOOK OF ROMANS:

INTRODUCTION: ( Romans 1:1-17)

The first part of the book is the doctrine of the Christian faith, which is Romans Chapter 1 Verse 18 through Chapter 11 Verse 36. The introduction is the first 17 verses.

And that introduction is divided into three parts:

Romans 1:1-7 - Paul's Position in Ministry

Romans 1:8-15 - Paul's Plan for Ministry

Romans 1:16-17 - Paul's Perception of Ministry.

Now believe it or not, embedded, and I emphasize the word embedded, but in these 17 verses are three important doctrines. They are the doctrine of Jesus Christ, the doctrine of ministry, and the doctrine of the gospel. These are all found in these first 17 verses. In fact, every verse, even the introduction can be considered doctrine.



IX. THE DOCTRINE OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH. ( Romans 1:18-11:36)

In Romans Chapter 1 Verse 18 through to the end of Chapter 11 (there are 16 Chapters in Romans), but Chapter 1 Verse 18 through the end of Chapter 11 is the doctrinal section, specifically to present the doctrine of the Christian faith.

Indictment - The Doctrine of Condemnation ( Romans 1:18 - 3:20). The first part is indictment. It is the doctrine of condemnation. I'm sure we all love to study about that! "Come and let me show you how condemned you are!" Isn't that nice!

And that's divided up into three sections:

Romans 1:18-32 - The Prosecution Against the Gentiles

Romans 2:1-3:8 - The Prosecution Against the Jews

Romans 3:9-20 - The Prosecution Against all Mankind

The prosecution against the Gentiles. It is a fascinating study. You and I are Gentiles. Most Gentiles have not had exposure to the Old Testament or Judaism or Jewish ministry or teaching at all. We're kind of like the "Heinz 57" variety. We all come from different religious system backgrounds, and we are the Gentiles.

Ephesians 2:8-13

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9) NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast.

10)For we are his workmanship, CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS "UNTO GOOD WORKS", which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

11)Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12) That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13)But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off ARE MADE NIGH BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST.

THIS IS MARVELOUS SAYING! HERE'S WHERE YOU SEE THE CIRCUMCISION OF THE HEART AS MENTIONED IN ROMANS 2:26-29.

"Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?

For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. ( In these verses Jew is not mentioned to describe an ethnic group but rather to describe the performance and seal of the cutting away the flesh.)

WE GENTILES ARE BROUGHT NEAR BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST, NOT CIRCUMCISION OF THE FLESH THAT RESPRESENTS THE JEW AND ALL OF THEIR WRITTEN ARTICLES WHEREBY THEY WERE COMMANDED. ( We're joined by the promise given to Abraham

Galatians 3:14-18.

Galatians 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: FOR IF THERE HAD BEEN A LAW GIVEN WHICH COULD HAVE GIVEN LIFE, VERILY RIGHTEOUSNESS SHOULD HAVE BEEN BY THE LAW.

God bless.

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The Apostle Paul tells us in Romans 2:14,15, that the Gentiles who did not have God's Law served to them, do by instinct that which the Law contained - that Law (in some perceptive form) is written on their hearts & their consciences. So man, whether Jew or Gentile already had received knowledge of right & wrong, of the True God & false gods, of that knowledge pricking his heart when he knew he had done wrong, but he chose to suppress that knowledge & create his own beliefs, gods, & values. He may not know all about the True God, as Israel had known God, but each person had the evidence of God's essential requirements in their hearts; and this should cause them to turn to this 'unknown God' to worship & for help in dealing with sin that affected their hearts & consciences (even as some of the Athenians did in Acts 17:22-34).

And so the great need for the Gospel of Salvation is to go out into all the world ( Matthew 28:19,20), so that both the Jew under the Law & the Gentile without the written Law, might hear of the forgiveness, cleansing & redemption found only in Christ Jesus. There were Gentiles in the Old Testament days that were touched by God (e.g. those of Nineveh, Huram (king of Tyre), the Queen of Sheba, King Darius, etc.); they may not have fully turned from their gods to follow the True God, but we do see that Gentiles were also in God's Mind in those days, so none was without excuse.

But now through the Gift of His Son, God has reached out to ALL men everywhere, that they may find spiritual healing & a restored relationship through faith in Jesus' Name ( Acts 17:30).

Jema

How did Abraham, Issac, Rebecca, Jacob or Job & many more come to the personal experiential knowledge of God? Job 32:8 But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding. God Spirit is not limited in how He reveals Himself to mankind, dreams, visions, etc, the Scripture are full of them, but all by the operations & administration of His Spirit. God promise in Jeremiah 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people, Heb 8:10 quotes this, the wording is ( I ) will put My laws into their inward parts. He doeth the work, cause us to will & do of His good pleasure, & this is by His Spirit operations upon our hearts. Romans 2:14-15 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

its plainly written the Gentiles ,which have not the law, which was the gospel of that dispensation. God put His laws within their hearts, & taught them Himself by His Spirit. These things were written for our example, He does the same today!

I encourage you to reread the Scriptures, the honoring of them in there proper place, is truly the benefit & enjoyment of them.

He that has ears to hear, let him hear what the Spirit has to say:

Faith comes by hearing & hearing by the Word of God, not the written words of God, but the living Word of God, the Spirit of Christ. This living Word will alway agree with the written words of God, & sound reason, our conscience bearing witness in Truth & Righteousness. Each one of us has a small measure of His Spirit within us, compared to a mustard seed for smallness..yet if believe in & nurtured grows until we come to the fullest of the knowledge of the stature of Christ. All by His divine power, namely "Light" giving us all things that pertain to life & godliness through the knowledge of Him who has call us to glory & virtue. Scriptures states ,the Word is near us, in our heart & mouth, this is were He is to be known & felt in our hearts, this is the word of Faith that Paul preached. Hearing & obeying His words which He speaks within, engrafts Him within us, comforming us to Himself, for His words are His Spirit & His Life, thus; we're putting on Christ, the whole armor of God, we walk even as He walk, & are sent even as He was sent. Not by might, nor by power, but by His Spirit. The Scriptures testify over & over again, "he that has ear to hear, let him hear what the Spirit has to say, not the letter, the letter kills, its the Spirit alone that gives life. He was made a life giving Spirit. So faith come by hearing His still small Voice within us, that Voice speaks within conscience according to Romans 2:15, which explains the operations of Grace spiritual appearance within; Titus 2:11-13 Which is the revelation of Jesus Christ unto us, according to 2Cor 4:6-7, The nature of true faith purifies the heart. Faith is believing that it is He, who is revealing Himself to us by His Spirit of Grace in the face of Jesus Christ, who is God, who was before the Scriptures & was in the beginning with God.

I hope this enlighten & stimultates your heart search for Truth.

True Christ vs Imaginary

The bulk of this discussion is focused on men who profess to believe as a Christian and who are seeking faith as a means to an end. This; in my opinion is far more insidious; and leads to greater judgment than the average pagan who overtly worship false gods. We have discussed Lot's wife; and of course in New Testament times we have warnings such as Hebrews 10:29 to seriously consider as well as the previous verse. We have more than the law now; we have the Bible; the written testimony of God with His redemptive plan for us.

Part of the problem; as I have pointed out a number of times is the concept of "decisional regeneration". We can follow the admonition of Romans 10:9 and attest to the veracity of John 3:16 and a few other basic verses on salvation for a number of reasons; but apart from a transformation through the Holy Spirit and God drawing a person toward repentance we are NOT saved. This concept is found in 5 scriptures as either granting or leading someone to repenetance (see 2 Tim. 2:25; Romans 2:4). Two types of sorrow are mentioned in 2 Corinthians 7:10; godly and worldly sorrow. The end result is either spiritual death or life. (compare Peter to Judas Iscariot after Gethsemene; and until His crucifixion for examples of these two types of sorrow). I would go farther though; some of us haven't even considered the consequences of our sins and how it would affect us at the end of this life; and Judgment Day. Fear of hell may not save someone without an appreciation for the Holiness of God and how we have offended our Creator; which comes in a large part after we are saved (experientially slow for some; immediate for others). But true repentance gives us some realization of our state apart from Christ along with a new heart ( Ezekiel 11:19-20).

I will say that in today's world; it is going to get very costly to even confess Christ; assuming; of course it is real church that we are declaring allegiance to

True, David0921, 'stagnation' would be too subtle a word to more fully describe how the Church at large treats God's Word & deals with sin & rebuke of erring ones. Unfortunately, from my limited experience, it seems that the larger the Church (congregation), the weaker they are in some of these areas we've referred to. The smaller, & probably the more exclusive (sectarian) of them, keep a much more rigid control on behavior & adherence to the Word. Yet, saying that, often their teachings also tend to be a little off-track. A few however, I believe, have found the right balance.

Now, I have a query on what you had earlier written (& now), in discussion with Jema a few days ago: "So when we look at the nature of God's Judgment program very carefully, we find that the Final Punishment is annihilation, that is destruction". And I quote this as you also shared here, "When was the last time you heard a sermon that focused on the Judgment and Wrath of God for sin?" Obviously, I think I have misunderstood you, where it appears that you believe that the final state of man is, either he's enjoying eternal life with the Lord, or a cessation of all existence (annihilation, as you put it). And then the "Wrath of God for sin" as you now stated. Without making any further assumptions, maybe you could clarify your belief, as in my mind I'm unable to reconcile the two statements.

I believe that Matthew 10:28 was quoted as a reference to the complete destruction of soul & body, to which the Greek word does support; as it does to John 3:16 ("perish"), Romans 2:12, 1 Corinthians 8:11, 2 Peter 3:9, and many others. But reference wasn't made to Daniel 12:1,2; Matthew 18:8,9; Matthew 25:46; Jude 1:7; Revelation 20:10,14,15; & others. In the light of these other Scriptures as well as the essence of the Gospel message which requires an eternal suffering, or else we don't have any Good News of salvation to give, how should we understand your statements? Blessings.

Did Israel faithlessness void God's promises to Israel?

Romans 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

Paul is asking if there is someone without faith, shall their lack of faith cancel out the faithfulness of God?

Paul answers that in vs 4 God forbid:

Israel's failures doesn't void out the promises of God.

God's promise to send Israel the redeemer was not voided by their wilful disobedience and rejection.

All his promises for the future of the nation will be fulfilled to his glory in spite of their unbelief. This is the unconditional covenant God made with Abraham.

Here's a few more verses causes people to believe the Church is the new Israel.

Galatians 3:28-29.

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Romans 2:28-29

"For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Now these verses is not talking about an ethnic group.

Paul gives us the subject of the matter in Romans 3:1.

"What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?"

Now here is where Paul was actually contrasting the Jews and the law, and the promise by faith of Jesus Christ.

Colossians 2:11-12.

This contrast the belief that righteousness came by the outwardly circumcised jew and the circumcision of the heart, in the spirit,

In other words Abraham was given the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith before he was circumcised.

Romans 4:11-13.

So Jew and Israel is not always used synonymous in the scripture.

God's kindness is intended to lead you to repentance according to Romans 2:4. The beginning of this verse asks if we show contempt for the riches of His kindness; forebearance and patience. That meaning could be directed towards those who are nonbelievers; who are "suddenly destroyed without remedy" ( Proverbs 29:1). It also could be talking about those who would use grace as license to sin as we see warned against in Romans 6:1-2.

I would propose that this also has relevance with today's compromised Gospel which downgrades the fear of the Lord; and our necessary attitude toward repentance. I believe it can be true that someone can be so afraid of say; losing their salvation or thinking God can't possibly forgive them that they have an unhealthy disassociation with their Lord and Savior. The other extreme is probably more prevalent today; however. In those who are given the admonition in Romans 11:22 I would argue that if we are in Christ we will persevere; and that is evidenced by continuing to fear the Lord and that is aided by the continuing presence of the Spirit bringing us to maturity.

My focus in this post is on those who would want to make the Gospel less offensive. What seems like intuitive knowledge on a human level is paradoxical on the spiritual-God's love is only magnified when the rest of His Word describing His wrath is presented. To "flee from the wrath to come" ( Luke 3:7) certainly is relevant today; for judgment ultimately but the Tribulation as well. The seriousness of sin seems to be disregarded with today's messages; I would propose that we should make people uncomfortable when they are in the House of God rather than comfortable if that means dumbing down the truth. If we show a half hearted faith it is no wonder there is so much lukewarmness in the church today. Matthew 12:34 states out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speakest. May our hearts be sold out to Christ; not with one foot still in the world.

Romans 2:11

Ephesians 6:9

Amen Tammy C.

Matthew 7:13-23.

Here are some interesting points highlighted in this discourse;

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many WONDERFUL WORKS? (The wonderful works is not disputed.) There was a outward show of holliness.

And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (CHRIST WILL PROFESS TO THEM HE (NEVER) KNEW THEM! They were NEVER connected to the vine. He NEVER knew them!!

Our outward act needs to generate from within!

This is a circumcised heart Paul speaks of in Romans 2:29. This is not done by man it is done by conversion!

It's what the the Jews couldn't do by self-effort by following command.

This is also what Jesus is telling the scribes and Pharisees in Matthew 23:25-26; Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

This is baptism by the holy spirit. We are quickened by the spirit! Christ IN us!

Romans 8:11-14. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

FOR AS MANY AS ARE LED BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD, they are the sons of God.

It IS NOT HOW BUSY WE ARE!

IT IS HOW BUSY CHRIST IS IN US, IS THAT WHAT MAKES US SPIRITUAL.

Also, Philippians 1:6.

And if Christ is performing in you, you will have the fruit of the spirit present NOT the works of the flesh!

God bless.

Why does God say in Romans 2:11 For there is no respect or person with God and there are so many people with physical or mental disabilities? I have a daughter with profound autism and Raynaud's syndrome. She just had surgery to remove for hand due to Raynaud's and now we are waiting for her to wake up to see if she has had significantly more brain damage due to a massive seizure which put her in ICU. My husband has always had a difficulty understanding that and I am not able to explain in a sense of him understanding. We have had a few explanations previously and it seemed good, but when our daughter got hit with this, his faith seems to have gone down the toilet.

Many people read from the Bible and scan over many words without ever knowing what some words mean, such as: iniquities, transgressions, tresspasses and sins. I have heard people say they are all synonymous. If that were true then why wouldn't the scripture just use one word ?

ISRAEL MY ELECT.

Isaiah 45:4.

Part 1.

Romans 2:25-29.

Colossians 3:11-12

and Galatians 3:27-39

These scriptures can trip you up when we use them for doctrine when talking about NATIONAL ISRAEL.

Some day God will open the eyes of Israel to show them that all their services was pointing them through the same door that the Gentiles goes through to get to the father. "CHRIST".

There will be two folds that will come together under one shepherd. There's no advantage to either fold. That's what Colossians 3:11-12 and Galatians 3:27-39 is saying. Angels, People, The Church and Israel is called elect in the Bible.

Israel and the Church has different origins and has a different path and destiny.

( Don't mistake that for having a different path for salvation.)

They have a separate purpose. When Jesus speaks of Israel as his elect in Matthew 24. he speaks of Israel as a nation. National Israel.

The Church isn't National Israel or "The new Israel. Is the Church Jacob also?

They're both are Chosen or elected by God to do the will of God for different purposes.

The bible makes references to both National Israel and the remnant.

Paul makes that distinction in Romans when he says all Israel is not Israel and when he mentions Kinsman of the flesh. Paul hammers away at this in Romans chapters 9,10 and 11.

Daniel 12:1 Speaks of National Israel.

"And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the ( CHILDREN OF THY PEOPLE ): and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time (THY PEOPLE) shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

"Daniels people is not the Church"

See key verses Daniel 9:24-27 in

Part 2.

No the Bible does not teach anywhere that belief in christ is all that is required for salvation.

It repeatedly from beginning to end continues to teach faith together with obedience to God's ten commandments are a prerequisite to salvation. Everyone in the Bible is judged according to their works. Not according to their faith. Romans 3:31



"Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." 1 John 2:4



"He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."

King James

Luke 18:18



"And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?" Luke 18:19



"And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God."

Luke 18:20



"Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother."

King James



Matthew

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Matthew 5:17



"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."

King James

John

15





John 15:10



"If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love." John 14:15



"If ye love me, keep my commandments."

King James

Luke

13





Luke 13:24



"Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able."

King James

Romans 2:6



"Who will render to every man according to his deeds:"

King JamesRevelation 22:12



"And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be."

King James

There is a ton of more verses that could be attached that continue to back up truth.

The main thing is you must read the Bible for yourself because ultimately you are responsible for your own salvation. Trusting what I say or what this person says is not the way to work out your own salvation.

Good morning Jerry. These verses come to mind:

James 2:9

Romans 2:11

James 2:1-26

Deuteronomy 10:17

Galatians 3:28

Acts 10:34

It says all should be treated the same with no favoritism. A certain political group virtue signals that some of a certain skin color were enslaved by some rich people in their own political group about 150-250 years ago. But all those people are dead. No one they're referring to are alive to give any such reparations back to, except they assume that by giving it to descendants then somehow something is made right? You can't change the past and it seems wrong to steal from one group to pay others who were never enslaved. It also seems wrong to show favoritism and act like if you have a certain skin shade that you deserve more sympathy or more money or pandering. What we see on TV is a circus. The Japanese and Germans enslaved and killed people only 81 years ago, but people somehow aren't demanding money for that, but for something twice as long ago. Meanwhile, there are child slaves coming across the southern border trafficked from cartels and other criminals but people aren't as upset about that either. There are also people enslaved right now in China, countries in Africa and other places that don't have people as upset about either. They are alive, and are imprisoned. There are even people in the US itself imprisoned as slaves who had no trial and just happened to be at the politically wrong place at the wrong time, and they are still alive too. What I see is amazing hypocrisy about money and privilege and victimhood as a form of self-worship as if somehow one who was never a slave was harmed, rather than actually helping current slaves alive now. God bless.

There IS fear in love; but perfect love does NOT cast out fear; because LOVE hath torment. HE that loveth IS made perfect in fear. I must choose one or the other as to which is true and eternal; from the Voice for God.

The truth is true and nothing else is true. This statement has two parts: without the first, the second has no meaning, but without the second, is the first no longer true. Truth cannot have an opposite. This can not be too often said and thought about. For if what is not true is true as well as what is true, then part of truth is false. And truth has lost its meaning. Nothing but the truth is true, and what is false is false. Truth must be true throughout, if it be true. It cannot contradict itself, nor be in parts uncertain and in others sure. What God creates has no alternative. The truth arises from what He KNOWS; not what we perceive.

Perception has a focus.It is this that gives consistency to what we see. Change but this focus, and what we behold will change accordingly. When seeing a wholly sinless world is ALL we want to see, when this is ALL we seek for in the name of true perception, are the eyes of Christ inevitably ours. What the body's eyes see/perceive is only conflict.

Much of our strange behavior is directly attributable to our definition of guilt; we've accepted the belief the guiltless are guilty. Love and guilt cannot coexist, and to accept one is to deny the other. Guilt hides Christ from our sight, for it is the denial of the blamelessness of God' children. Love creates Itself and nothing but Itself. To the "devil" purity is seen as arrogance and the acceptance of the self as sinful is perceived as holiness. TEACH ONLY LOVE.

Romans 2:11 Romans 13:10 Eph. 1:4 Eph. 5:14 Eph. 3:17-19 Eph. 4:29 Philippians 4:8 Titus 1:15 2 James 3:17-18 1 John 1:5 1 1 John 4:7-8

Peace

GOD IS

Predestination part 2 (in regard to eternal life or death specifically).

If we look into the whole issue of God predestining some for heaven and others for hell; we often refer to the term "double predestination". We need to keep in mind the verses such as hell was created for the Devil and his angels ( Matt. 25:41) and that God is not a respecter of men ( Romans 2:11 etc) as well as the fact that He takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked. ( Ezekiel 18:23). As I stated recently; there IS rejoicing among the Godhead as well as God's people when the wicked are judged; as the earth is purged from corruption.

In regard then to the destruction of the wicked; it is because of sin that is not sought to be forgiven and that through the METHOD God has given; namely through the substitutionary atonement of the Son. Many remain stuck on that point as those of the true "Grace Gospel" expose when they still think they have some merit on righteousness of their own. Only the 100 percent wicked need a 100 percent Savior; it is an all or nothing proposition. We need to realize that Satan is the father of all those who are outside the faith. ( John 8:44). Someone may accept their own sin but try telling them that fact; or worse that is the fate of family members who are or were not believers and have passed. This is a serious concern among those who remember their relatives as they were; and if they saw them in torment it would hardly give them a nostalgic feeling. Realizing that apart from Christ we are only thinking of ourselves ultimately as our motivation isn't fun. Also realizing that putting SELF on the throne is exactly what Satan does to lureus as he himself has that mindset then we are quite humbled. These aren't fun things to ponder but it certainly does get our mind off all the chaos in this world; important as some issues are compared to the eternal fate of sinners.

Two passages for consideration on this Lord's Day

2 Peter 3:9-15

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any [of God's elect] should perish, but that all [of God's elect] should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

Romans 2:1-6

Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

There's a lot of misconceptions here- I'm not sure if you actually believe this or if you're just trying to incite a reaction from people. When I read the Bible I don't see skin color mentioned as much as you mention it, so why do you assume that's so important? The Bible is against discriminating against people as it says in Galatians 3:28, but here you're discriminating against people. Blaming them for how God made them? If someone claims people with one pigment are superior to others with a different pigment, that's racism. That's not exactly following the verse to love your neighbor. The Jews were God's chosen people- chosen for a special purpose- but God doesn't show favoritism Romans 2:11. The punishment and reward for good and evil are the same for "everyone" as it says in v9 and 10. God bless.

Hello Inami. First off: maybe you can't log in (& it keeps coming up showing you as Anonymous), is because you may have to open a new Window (but in Incognito mode), and then sign in. You should then get the prompt to sign in with your name & password. That's what I had to do to get out of this Anonymous thing.

Secondly, & in response to your last comment: I wouldn't hold much trust & hope in Dante's Divine Comedy, as his Bible knowledge seems to be lacking. Everyone is able to know God & draw close to Him. Those who lived before the coming of Jesus (as you mentioned), or those who lived on Earth not having received God's Laws or any knowledge of Him, are also without excuse. Why?

As God alone is the Judge of our hearts, He only makes the determination upon those who respond to Him in His way. For Israel, they received the Law & the personal guidance & instruction by God through the mouths of the prophets. What did they do? They gave no heed to God's many warnings, they disobeyed God, they followed after idols - they did everything but to humble themselves & acknowledge they were sinners, not expressing faith & devotion to God. Those who did, such as Abraham, Moses, David, etc. all died, but God accepted them based on their faith & trust in Him & waiting for when their Messiah would come & full payment & restitution be made for them, as for us also. Read all of Hebrews chapter 11 & particularly note verses 13-16, 39,40).

For those who have never heard of the God of Heaven or Jesus His Son (e.g. in unreached people groups), Romans 2:11-16 applies. Here, the Gentiles (non-Jews) who never received God's Laws or knowledge of Him, are also without excuse as their own hearts accuse or excuse their sins because the Law (& their own tribal laws) have showed them sinners. They may not have heard of God, but God hears the penitent cry of their souls to a Divine to save them from their sinful misery.

And those living 'good' lives? They can never be good enough for God.

Melanie I am so sorry , you asked for some scriptures to help you in your situation and I didn't give you any . Here are some that might or might not help you , Matthew 5 : 38-48 , Matthew 6 : 19-21 and Luke 6 : 27-38 . May God bless you and all your family .

Dear Melanie,

I have family members that are very difficult to interact with. /this has been going all of my adult life, and I am 65. These sisters grew up hearing and gaining knowledge of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and had many upon many opportunities to believe in Him and trust Him for their salvation. They each have chosen different beliefs than those Jesus taught in His life and Word. They are involved in pagan idolatrous practices and lifestyles that are called very sinful by God's Word. They are not only unrepentant, but explicitly have said to me that I (and others in our family who are Christians) they expect us to not only tolerate their beliefs but to accept them. I cannot do that. With the recent passing of my Mom, all this ugliness reared its head again. But we got through it and now can decide how we will be in our future interactions with one another. Our Mom was the reason we would all get together (all 10 of us kids). Now that she is gone to be with the Lord, we probably will not meet as a whole family much anymore. But if there is a whole family happening, I will go. There is always an opportunity to be kind, loving, and a witness in these situation. However, I and the few other siblings that love the Lord and get along have pretty much decided that we will not pursue interactions with these sisters in the future. We will not try to make the relationship better, nor accept invitations to get together with any of them in their homes or in a restaurant, etc. These thypes of interactions have been fruitless in the past. We are done. I do believe that there comes times in relationship s when we do need to shake the dust off of our feet with those who will not receive the message of Christ from us when we have presented Him over and over again in our words and deeds. When their usual response is hostile, eager to find something to create a grievance over, and other types of animosity, we just think that it is best to part ways. Hope this helps. Pray!

You don't have to have anything to do with anyone that you don't want to . We must always try very hard to forgive everyone but we don't have to have them in our lives if we don't want to . However , you cannot help your sister if you remove yourself from her . People with challenging behaviours can be very difficult to be around and you certainly need to protect yourself . I have one or two family members that I don't enjoy being around . I try very hard to be kind and loving to them because I believe that this is what God wants me to do and also , I feel slightly sorry for them and I know that they are way more vulnerable than they seem . Ultimately it is your choice , I do believe that God gives us certain people in our lives , the good ones and the not so good , for a reason . Maybe to help us grow as compassionate humans ? We must learn the lessons that God teaches us through our life experiences . Whatever you decide to do remember that you have to live with your choice and give account of yourself to God .

I have a sister who continually talks about how God is helping her and then she gets drunk, lies, does drugs, and many other bad things. I and my other sisters have tried to help her for years and she continues to lie to us and do bad things. Is it wrong of me to not want to help her anymore. The straw that broke me was when she was staying with my elderly mother. She appeared to have turned her life around and said she only wanted to help keep mother out of a nursing home. We all helped her but on the night my mother died, my sister picked up a drinking buddy and was partying and Mom died alone. My Sister then admitted she had been hiding her alcohol and drinking the whole time. My Mother left her the house for staying with her for seven months. I feel terrible because I don't want anything to do with her anymore. Is there scripture that can help me?

Susie, I'm praying for you and your husband.

Lord be merciful and guide this couple to Your will for their lives. I lift them up to You Father. Whatever is needed to bring them closer to living for You.

Do a mighty work in them and use their lives for Your glory. Bless them and help them in their walk with you. Thank You Lord, in Jesus name I pray, amen.

John 3:16

John 8:36

Romans 2:4

Romans 6:23

Luke 7:50

May God Bless You today Susie

:-)

don't worry about what sin you will be judged with or what sin has bigger wrath.

all you need is to repent or likewise you will also perish

another thing to remember is that God will Judged every man according to his deeds and every knell will bow before Jesus our God and maker

Luke 13;3

3I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Romans 2:5-6

5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

6Who will render to every man according to his deeds: