Discuss Romans 5 Page 10

Thank you so much I needed every word, and I carefully read every word.

Be blessed

Jesus came to this earth to provide mankind a savior. Prior to Jesus we did not have a personal savior to intercede with God on our behalf. Not only must we believe in him, we must try to be like him. We must repent from our sins, and strive to be sin free. That is ACTION....we must take ACTION!

It is not enough to just believe in Jesus and you will be now and forever saved. There is no such thing a a get out of hell free card because you believe.

Yes, we must fight the good fight. We are in a battle here on this earth against Satan and evil.

Some seem to think that with Jesus death we can just believe and carry on our normal lives and we will be saved by his Grace. If this was true why would Jesus speak like this in the following two scritures.

John 5:14

"Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee."

John 8:11

"She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."

Jesus said: SIN NO MORE! Lest worse things will come to us that sin.......

Jesus DID NOT say to those two sinners 'just believe in me and and my grace will take care of you!'

In summary: Jesus is telling all of us to TAKE ACTION!

God Bless

Hello, again Michael,

I can't agree that when someone truly believes in Christ that they automatically receive the Holy Spirit. Belief alone does not save anyone. James 2:19 seems to indicate that. I took a look at Acts 10:44 as you've asked. But also I have to look at Acts 10:43.

This is where the beauty of the Greek text comes in because it gives me a different perspective. Acts 10:43 in the KJV says, "To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins."

There are two things about this verse: The word believes is a present participle which means continuously believing. It never stops. Secondly, the term "in him" is the most common term for believing in Christ. It is EIS AUTON in the Greek text, and it means "into him," a very different meaning than just believing "in Him."

It is a word that expresses surrender so that whosoever continually believes and continually surrenders to Christ, will receive forgiveness of sins. Emphasis on continually. This shows who a saved person is. Their belief and surrender never end. There are a lot of people who believe in Jesus Christ but are void of His indwelling Spirit.

Again, with the branches being broken off, I have to say they were broken off because of unbelief. Gentiles were grafted in, and it says they likewise can be removed just like the Jews were. But this is not talking about a saved individual losing their salvation. A Gentile can also be a dead branch in the tree just like the branches

A branch can be in the vine and not produce fruit. It will be cut off. The branch that remains in the tree will produce fruit continuously because it is feeding off the life source of the tree or vine which is Christ. That branch will never be cut off.

I don't believe Hebrews 6:4 is referring to saved individuals, but to Jews who were following along but never surrendered their life to Christ, as Judas did for 3 years.

Thanks for the conversation.

Michael.

I errored on previous reply. I believe

Hebrews 6. is talking to believers, BUT not about SALVATION. If we can loose our salvation can we be restored? Every one sins, no one is perfect. Romans 7 ect..

Jesus is our advocate with the Father if we do sin. 1John 2:1. ect..

Visiting the text.

Hebrews 6:4-6. For it is ""IMPOSSIBLE" for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

IF THEY SHALL FALL AWAY, TO RENEW THEM AGAIN UNTO (REPENTANCE) seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

IF THIS VERSE IS TALKING ABOUT SALVATION THAT MEANS YOU GOT ONE CHANCE. "" FOR IT IS ( IMPOSSIBLE ) TO RENEW THEM AGAIN!! If you sin it's over!

Read on. NOTICE VERSE 9.

Hebrews 6:7-9. For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:

But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

9) But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and THINGS THAT ACCOMPANY SALVATION, though we thus speak.

The Entire Msg to the Hebrews is about maturity.

they was under persecution and was still mengaling in Judaism.

Fruit and gifts accompany salvation through the Holyspirit, Not Judaism.

Salvation and SANCTIFICATION is by the work of the spirit and is a GIFT "un Merritted."

This Way is called God's election.

Romans 9:11. (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, NOT OF WORKS, BUT OF HIM THAT CALLETH;)

2 Timothy 1:12. For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.

God bless

Brother Adam, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

You say there is two fundamental opinions among believers:

1 Fight the good fight

or

2 The battle is already won

To anyone who understands the scriptures, this is not two opinions; but, ONE TRUTH. We fight the good fight; BECAUSE, the battle IS WON!

Hello Dan,

I quote your words: "To say that the 10 Commandments are no longer valid, is to say that God made a mistake when he created the 10 Commandments!"

Did God make a mistake when he created the commandment to circumcise at

Leviticus 12:3 "And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised,"

Why, then, did the first century Church change that commandment of God and say that it is not necessary to get circumcised in Acts 15?

Please, if you could answer, specifically, my 2 questions above, I would appreciate it.

Thank you for your time.

Good day.

Brother Simon, may CHRIST IN US grace us with His wisdom and His understanding.

I agree, we can only be born again BY RESURRECTION.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in THE FIRST RESURRECTION: on such the second death has no power, but they shall be Priests of God and Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

This happens before the second judgement in Revelation 20:11-13

Luke 20:36 Neither can they die anymore...

Christ is telling the Sadducees; who did not believe in resurrection, that the ones APPOINTED TO DIE with him on his cross would never die again.

Psalms 102:18 This shall be written for the generation to come; and the people which SHALL BE CREATED shall praise the Lord.

Psalms 102:20 ...to loose those APPOINTED TO DEATH

Luke 20:36 ....being the children of the resurrection.

1 Peter 4:17 For the TIME IS COME that JUDGEMENT must begin at the HOUSE OF GOD.....

Hebrews 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose HOUSE WE ARE...

John 5:22 For the father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgement unto the Son.

2 Corinthians 5:10 We must all appear before the judgement seat of Christ....

We were RESURRECTED with Christ and Christ is dwelling IN US; therefore, Christ's THRONE is IN US and were are BEFORE the THRONE being JUDGED NOW by Christ (the word of God).

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed (flesh), but by incorruptible, by THE WORD (SPIRIT) of God, which LIVETH and ABIDETH forever. (you will never die again after you died ONCE with Christ).

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is APPOINTED unto man ONCE TO DIE (with Christ on the cross or later at the second death), but after this then the JUDGEMENT.

Hebrews 9:28 .....and unto them that look for him shall he appear a SECOND TIME (the first time was in the flesh; the second time in SPIRIT, you don't see him he is like a thief in the night) WITHOUT SIN UNTO SALVATION.

MICHAEL.

In Hebrews 6 I believe the writer is taking to believers, BUT ABOUT SALVATION. I'm at work, I will address Hebrews 6 on my next post.

Thanks. God bless

Brother Michael,

When Jesus speaks, he speaks the words from his Father - God.

John 12:49

"For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak."

John 12:50

"And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak."

Jesus states in John 12:50 "And I know that his commandment is LIFE EVERLASTING."

To say that the 10 Commandments are no longer valid, is to say that God made a mistake when he created the 10 Commandments!

I believe that Satan is certainly hard at work here in this world, with so many people that now believe that Gods 10 Commandments are no longer valid.

God Bless

Michael.

It's puzzles me how you admit they're in unbelief but insists they're saved.

If you're in unbelief you're not saved, and you can't loose what you didn't have.

Judas was a follower, did he loose salvation? Or did he ever have it?

Concerning Acts 10:44. Look at the previous verse.-

Acts 10:43. To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever ( BELIEVETH ) in him shall receive remission of sins.

Yes, you get the Holyspirit the moment you believe. And when you do you will ABIDE, and want be broken off. "Refer to what Brother Jesse has already declared on this"

A Christian may start out fruitless but he want stay there, God is the vine dresser,

Same concept here in Mathews,

Matthew 7:17-20. Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

A GOOD TREE CANNOT BRING FORTH EVIL FRUIT, NEITHER CAN A CORRUPT TREE BRING FORTH GOOD FRUIT.

Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

My thoughts would be go back and consider the verses already given

God bless

Hello S Spencer,

1) When someone "truly" believes in Christ Jesus, he automatically receives the Holy Spirit (see Acts 10:44) and is attached to the vine, Jesus Christ. This is nicely explained in the parallel account of John 15:1-6 at:

Romans 11:19-21 "Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be GRAFFED IN. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and THOU STANDEST BY FAITH. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest HE ALSO SPARE NOT THEE.

Notice, the "gentile" believer, like a branch, is graffed into the olive tree because of his faith in Christ Jesus. But, Paul says to fear - why? Because God can "spare not thee" as he "spared not" the unbelieving Jews.

2) The apostle Peter was writing to faithful believing Christians. See 2 Peter 1:1. He is giving them a warning against false prophets. See 2 Peter 2:1. He specifically says about these ones that they "have forsaken the right way". See 2 Peter 2:15. So, at one time, they were on the right way. At 2 Peter 2:20, he says that they "had escaped the pollutions of the world" but, unfortunately, "they are again entangled therein". They have returned to the world.

Thus, they are likened to a dog who has vomited out his vomit and left it for good. But, then, he returns. Or, the sow (pig) who used to role in the mud. Then he leaves the mud and is cleansed. But, unfortunately, he then returns. In a similar way, these ones who believed in Christ Jesus and received the Holy Spirit and were cleansed of their old, sinful ways, have now returned to their sinful practices. Peter says "too bad for them". Jude says they have "died twice". See Jude 14.

3) As for Hebrews, Paul is speaking to believers.

Hebrews 6:4 "For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made PARTAKERS OF THE HOLY GHOST,". This happened when they believed. See again Acts 10:44.

I invite your further thoughts."

Hello Dan,

Thank you for your comments.

Can a person decide to keep only a portion of the laws of his city or country? Can a person keep only a portion of the terms of his rental lease or of his work contract? In like manner, can a person keep only a portion of the contract (Mosaic Law) made between God and Israel. There were over 600 laws given. The 10 commandments are only the first 10 of those 600+ laws.

Notice what Israel said when the Mosaic Law (or Covenant) was inaugurated by blood at Exodus 24:3-8:

Exodus 24:3 "And Moses came and told the people ALL the words of the LORD, and ALL the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, ALL THE WORDS which the LORD hath said will we do."

James 2:10-11 "For whosoever shall keep the WHOLE LAW, and yet offend in ONE POINT, he is guilty of ALL."

If a person keeps the 4th commandment but not the other commandments of the Old Covenant, he is breaking the law. That is why the apostle Paul, under inspiration, said the law had to be changed.

Hebrews 7:12 "For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity A CHANGE ALSO OF THE LAW."

Hebrews 8:13 "In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to VANISH AWAY."

Replaced by the New Covenant (or Testament) by Jesus' shed blood.

Luke 22:20 "Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the NEW TESTAMENT in my blood, which is shed for you."

I gladly obey those commandments of Jesus Christ ( John 14:15), of the New Testament, which were communicated by inspiration and revelation to the Apostles - from Acts to Revelation. See 2 Corinthians 12:7 and 2 Timothy 3:16.

I kindly welcome your further comments.

I bid you a good day.

Hello Jesse.

Thank you for your comments.

1) When someone "truly" believes in Christ Jesus, he automatically receives the Holy Spirit (see Acts 10:44) and is attached to the vine, Jesus Christ. This is nicely explained in the parallel account at:

Romans 11:19-21 "Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be GRAFFED IN. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and THOU STANDEST BY FAITH. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest HE ALSO SPARE NOT THEE.

Notice, the "gentile" believer, like a branch, is graffed into the olive tree because of his faith in Christ Jesus. But, Paul says to fear - why? Because God can "spare not thee" as he "spared not" the unbelieving Jews.

2) The apostle Peter was writing to faithful believing Christians. See 2 Peter 1:1. He is giving them a warning against false prophets. See 2 Peter 2:1. He specifically says about these ones that they "have forsaken the right way". See 2 Peter 2:15. So, at one time, they were on the right way. At 2 Peter 2:20, he says that they "had escaped the pollutions of the world" but, unfortunately, "they are again entangled therein". They have returned to the world.

Thus, they are likened to a dog who has vomited out his vomit and left it for good. But, then, he returns. Or, the sow (pig) who used to role in the mud. Then he leaves the mud and is cleansed. But, unfortunately, he then returns. In a similar way, these ones who believed in Christ Jesus and received the Holy Spirit and were cleansed of their old, sinful ways, have now returned to their sinful practices. Peter says "too bad for them". Jude says they have "died twice". See Jude 14.

3) As for Hebrews, Paul is speaking to believers.

Hebrews 6:4 "For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made PARTAKERS OF THE HOLY GHOST,". This happened when they believed. See again Acts 10:44.

I invite your further thoughts.

Dear Earl,

Maybe you were intending to respond to me on a another thread- not sure.

There are 2 funamental differences of opinion among Christians:

1. Fight the good fight

2. The battle is already won

It seems some people believe Jesus did all the work and all someone needs to do is respond to an altar call once in their life for about 3 minutes and they are instantly saved for eternity. To them this means they can kick back and enjoy life, even enjoy sin, because grace, right?

That is a fundamental different perspective than one who reads the verses about running the race, keeping the armor of God on, watching out for the devil as a lion on the prowl waiting to devour you, living not of the world, being a light, realizing you're persecuted for your beliefs and trying to stand strong in the face of evil. Realizing that all the parables (warnings) Jesus gave about most people not making it to heaven is real, and realizing that He was even warning His own followers (Christians). If Jesus already paid the debt and won then why did Jesus preach at all? And why did Paul? Was that a waste of time? Should we fear God who can send us to hell as it says in the Bible?

Here's a page of verses related to running the race, etc. But if the battle is already won then why would any of this be written in the Bible and why would it be needed? Link

Is it conceivable that a lot of people will be surprised they aren't allowed into heaven? Even Christians who thought they were 'good people'? Who cried out Lord, Lord... and begged and rationalized. I think the reality is one group sometimes can rest in God's grace more, but the other group should be afraid of going to hell, should get their act together, should obey Jesus, should not follow the world of sin anymore. Jesus said to avoid sin, not enjoy sin. Satan is giving people fake news and people are believing it. Matthew 7:21

2 Corinthians 5:10 - all will have to face judgment, including Christians who assume they're saved, before salvation is actually given.

Earl,

We will always need to wait for judgment day to be saved, not here on earth. We were set up to fail, and must die to be made whole.

Finding a personal relationship with Jesus does not make anyone impervious to sin. Being "saved" can be a vehicle to proper behavior, a way to self reflect on how weak the flesh is.

You can only be born-again through resurrection.

God bless the one hundred forty four thousand first fruits.

Earl,

( Leviticus 26:18)

Knowing that God warned and punished both houses of Israel for backsliding, adds richness to your point. God said he would punish them seven times (7 x 360 day for a year = 2,520 years) for disobedience.

The house of Israel (10 tribes) were taken captives by Assyria in 721 BC + 2,520 = 1800 Briton, "the isles of the sea"

The house of Judah (3 tribes) were taken captives by Babylon in 604 BC + 2,520 = 1917 Balfour Declaration

Everything in its time, and revealed in one moment.

Michael.

PG 2.

Hebrews 6:12-19. I Erred on page 2, "I meant unconditional covenant, not oath.' Here goes-

Gen.15;1-12.

Vs 6: And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

Vs 8:And he said, Lord GOD, whereby shall I know that I shall inherit it?

VSES. 9-12. And he said unto him, Take me an heifer of three years old, and a she goat of three years old, and a ram of three years old, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon.

And he took unto him all these, and divided them in the midst, and laid each piece one against another: but the birds divided he not.

And when the fowls came down upon the carcases, Abram drove them away.

And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him.

God put Abraham to sleep and entered the covenant alone. only God can break it. ISSAC WAS PROMISED!! AS WELL AS WE!

Galatians 4:28. Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. 'Unconditional!

Vs 26-27:But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

LOOK AT THOSE UNDER THE LAW IN-

VS 25. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. MT SINAI IS A MT YOU COULD NOT TOUCH! ( COULD'NT KEEP ) THE LAW WAS GIVEN THERE.

GEN. 22 Abraham offered up his only begotten promised son, because he believed in the previous promise/covenant. AND KNEW GOD WOULD HAVE TO RAISE HIM FROM THE DEAD.

Hebrews 11:17-19 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

Of whom it was said, "That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:

Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.

The crucifixion of Christ played out.

GB

Michael.

PG 1. "PAGES OUT OF ORDER' 3-1-2.

Hebrews 3:7-11.Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,

Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:

When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.

Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.

So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)

Israel had a hardened heart. Which is the condition to all men without the "NEW" heart given by the Lord when saved.

( Hebrews 4:2-3. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.)

( For we which have believed do enter into rest,) as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Jude 1:5. answers itself, " they believe not' ( Was not saved )

James 2:21&26.

21:Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

26:For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

James is speaking of works "AFTER" salvation not for salvation.

Philippians 1:6. Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Philippians 2:13. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. This is what James 2:21 is speaking of.

Hebrews 6:12-19, and James 2:21.

These are 2 seperate accounts of Abraham in Hebrews 6:12-16 and James 2:21-23.

"Hebrews the promise was Issac confirmed by an oath". Played out in Gen. 15:1-12.

James was "Abraham having faith in THAT promise". Played out in Gen. 22:1-14.

MICHAEL.

PG 3

Matthew 7:24-27 (KJV) Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man,"WHICH BUILT HIS HOUSE UPON A ROCK:"

And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

And every one that "HEAR" these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which "BUILT HIS HOUSE ON SAND:"

And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. ( ONE MAN BUILT HIS HOUS UPON JESUS FINISH WORK ON THE CROSS.) Parallels to Hebrews 10:26-29.

( You can know the way, that doesn't mean you believe in it. you trying to climb up some other kind of way.)

2 Peter 1:8-11. Parallels with 2 Corinthians 13-5. Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, "except ye be reprobates?" (FRUITLESS)

2 Peter 1:8-9"For if these things be in you," and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. IF WHAT THINGS BE IN YOU? ANSWER IN VERSES 5-7. "FRUIT" IF YOU LACK IT YOUR NOT SAVED. YOU KNOW THEM BY THER FRUIT. MATHEWS 7:16.

Romans 11:20-21 (KJV) Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Why were they broken off ? "Because of unbelief?

( Well if you're broken off because of unbelief and it takes belief to be saved then you're not saved, because you didn't believe whom he sent. John 5:38. And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not. ( So how can you loose what you didn't have?)

Brother adam, may christ in us grace us with his wisdom and his understanding.

we don't have to wait for judgement day to be born again (saved).

ephesians 1:4 according as he hath chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

romans 5:8 but god commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were sinners he died for us.

psalms 106:8 nonetheless he saved them for his name sake, that he might make his mighty power to be known.

isaiah 43:25 i, even i, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake....

jeremiah 14:7 o lord, though our iniquities testify against us, do thou it for thy name ....

ezekiel 20:44 and ye shall know that i am the lord, when i have wrought with you for my name .....

there is dozens of scriptures that say, god does everything for his name; we are the beneficiaries of his works; for his name.

we are graced!

Hi Richard. When I need a good washing on the Word: I actually read Proverbs to look for my weak ie Being wise and avoiding snares.

Jobs friends sounded reasonable, but at the end they were corrected by God.

To know to do something and then not do it. I don't think Jesus cared for that.

Like Paul, I got knocked off my high horse, and saw Truth standing in front of me. Let us all remember our beginnings, when we didn't know much at all.

If we forget practical, we are standing close to political. Just a weird thought...

Dear Brother Richard in Christ,

You stated a long list of sins that can be committed.....the list is probably much longer....and I do understand your point. You make a good point, and I also do believe that any sin committed can be attributed to one of the 10 Commandments in "one form or fashion".

I think most christians will agree our goal is to live as sin free as possible, but when we fail... we need to ask for forgiveness and try a little harder. God surely knows if we are trying or not.

In summary, I will say that disregarding any of the 10 Commandments will most surely be problematic for many.

Many if not most Christians today just throw the 4th Commandment in the trash....in my opinion not a good way to start a successful journey to heaven.

I don't want to follow the crowds......

Matthew 7:14

"Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."

Why does Jesus say this? Does he mean it? I think he does, and I believe him!

I want to be with the FEW THERE THAT FIND IT!

God Bless

God bless to all first of all, I have seen a lot of discussion on the commandment this is my view, Yes we we are commanded to follow obey and let these commandments be the guidance of our lives, and inm sure we all wake up when he wakes to follow each and everyone but as we see in the bible it also a great large list too very wide of what not to do, but do we understand that God has already let us know and told us in his word, we were conceived in sin, and saved by the shedding of his blood, but yet we are still sinners, we wrestle against the flesh inside of us each day, He already knows we can not follow each commandment each and every day, God know we will fall and fail on daily bases, it is why he says come to him to confess our sins, sincerely ask for repentance and forgiveness. Now we all know this does not mean go on keep sinning because God will forgive us, no indeed!!! that would be disastrous and dangerous to our salvation to do that. I believe God means and teaches us in the bible each day, rise up and do your very best to not sin, have an eye on on the enemy, be able to identify him, don"t stay focused on him keep your eye, your mind, your heart stayed on the Father, so we may use the tools the Lord has given us to overcome him and the sinful life. God yet again, says there is no one without sin no not one. We must remember to discuss the bible and all his truth with love and kindness, let's fall into the role of judgement toward each other, if some ones says something we don"t agree we must say we don't agree, or maybe say nothing and pray for the other person so that they may find the truth, and lovingly and move on share the good news we know, let's be careful in judging others how they were taught where they were taught, leave judgment and correcting up to our Father God for he he knows how to teach and correct us. Let share the word in love. Love all God Bless

A Christian who genuinely follows Jesus can have assurance of salvation, but no one is technically saved until after they are judged on Judgment Day. Those who believe the opposite have a lot of hurdles to overcome and rationalize, like why someone would go to heaven or hell before they are even judged, or why people would go to heaven, only to come down to earth to re-enter their old bodies, only to meet Jesus in the air and go back to heaven- all before judgment apparently.

Instead, people will more likely die and be 'asleep' until Christ comes, then will rise and ascend to a place of judgment. Some believe in a waiting place like purgatory, but I think there's ample scriptural evidence that says we'll just be asleep. Even if a thousand years passes, to the person sleeping it will likely only seem like only a second has passed before you wake and be judged.

You are so right brother dan , its not complicated ,we all know the standard that Christ set for us to follow ,things only get complicated if we find ourselves in situations that as Christians we shouldnt have allowed ourselves to get sucked into in the first place , keep our own lives as simple as we possibly can and dont look for problems where there arent any , if we are thoroughly grounded in our faith ,if we trust in Gods love and mercy and if we are trying every day to keep the life and example of Christ before us ,things are very simple ,always do the right thing ,even if it results in ourselves being the loser its worth it ,know when to argue and when to just leave people to their own ego's ,Jesus knew it was pointless talking to some people ,so should we .

Brother Dan, may CHRIST IN US grace you HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

I am going to QUOTE YOU.

It's very simple, the 10 commandments.

Jesus said:

John 14:15

If you love me keep my commandments.

This is not supposed to be complicated.

Believe and trust in what Jesus says.

This is exactly what he told Israel. If they would have keep his commandments they would have remained in a right relationship with God. They would not have needed a NEW COVENANT. Since keeping God's commandments is so simple and easy; WHY NOT JUST DO IT and you will not need the NEW COVENANT; But, history proves this effort fails one hundred percent.

Ezekiel 36:25-27 .... I WILL CAUSE YOU TO WALK IN MY STATUTES....

Believe and trust in what JESUS SAYS.

Good post Adam. Our righteousness is to exceed those who tried to follow the whole law of Moses. Having the Holy Spirit to guide, and teach, us the right way. Which is after Jesus Christ our Lord. The way, the truth, and the life!

God Bless.

Hi Brother Dan,

As I'm sure you've seen my previous posts about this. I'm sorry if my perspective offends you but it is way more vast than just the Ten Commandments. If that was all God wanted us to follow that would be pretty simple. I'm going to put together a list for you of just some things we are to avoid.

Some people think to "love one another" is simple. Actually it can be the hardest thing in life. To put loving others before everything, even your own self.

This is also just a simple list to guide us and is not everything we must repent of or stay away from: evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murder, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness, Being filled with all unrighteousness, maliciousness, full of envy, debate, malignity, whisperers, Backbiters, despiteful, proud, boasting, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful, uncleanness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, drunkenness/drugs, revellings, lovers of their own selves, boasters, unthankful, unholy, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, love of pleasures more than loving God, sowing discord between bretheren, filthy communication out of your mouth, cursing, anger, etc. Then this posted after several places "they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."

It is much more vast than just the Ten Commandments. This is why God has Blessed us to receive the Holy Ghost and we are to live after the Spirit of Christ in us. Not after the flesh. Which we are in these bodies until our journey here is over. Our fight is to war against what is evil(in the flesh) and do good(live after the Spirit). Stated at the end of Galatians if we strive to produce good fruit of the Spirit against such there is no law.

God Bless.

Hello,

John 14:15 where Jesus says to obey His commandments, He didn't specify to only obey the 10 Commandments and He didn't say to only obey the greatest commandments. He didn't specify or narrow it down to which commandments, so by default, I believe it means all of them. I think this includes things spoken to us through the Holy Ghost, as it says in John 14:26...

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

James 2:10. We should strive to be obedient, while loving and forgiving ourselves too when we get off track. Ephesians 2:8.

Brother Richard in Christ,

It's very simple. The 10 Commandments.

Jesus said:

John 14:15

"If ye love me, keep my commandments."

This is not supposed to be complicated.

Believe and trust what Jesus says.

God Bless