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  • Chris - In Reply on Ecclesiasticus 8 - 3 years ago
    Thank you Carleton - that was a very telling testimony of retrieval from the clutches of sin. And praise God for those elders who assisted in your rescue & restoration. And so it is, for all who are beguiled by Satan & find themselves in his clutches, the Lord does all things possible by His Spirit & through godly men & circumstances, to alert us to the folly of our ways. The Lord gave you a loving assembly family who were quick to fish you out of the snare - many others flounder around for months or years, making shipwreck of their faith, dishonouring the Lord.

    But when one knows the wrong & continues to persist in it, enjoying it & finding no conviction of such a lifestyle in the Light of God's Holiness & the Cross of Christ, hoping that the Lord would overlook it at His Coming, that to me is a great stretch of 'undeserved unlimited Grace'. It is then any wonder that those of us (= me) who believe in the 'eternal security of the believer' are often labelled as 'those who promote or allow licentious living while under such Grace', or being in support of "where sin abounded, grace did much more abound" ( Romans 5:20). Our hearts must never be allowed to get so hardened in sin or a sinful lifestyle that the Spirit's Light can no longer be seen or felt.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Judges 5 - 3 years ago
    Thanks Pa Ba

    I think setting and authority is what's in view, Deborah was a prophetess that judged Israel, Judges 4:4.

    I do understand this was not the church age, but it was certainly after Adam and Eve sin.

    And yes Eve was deceived but Adam sinned also, Romans 5:12 (KJV) Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

    1 Timothy 2:12 (KJV) But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

    The verse you presented here I think is a church setting, Paul is instructing Timothy to set up a Church.

    but what about outside of that setting?

    Teachers and Preachers is also sheep following chief shepherd.

    We're tought humility as Peter was taught when the Lord washed his feet.

    And look at Paul here

    1 Corinthians 3:5-7 (KJV) Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?

    I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

    So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

    Another verse you given:

    Titus 2:3-5 (KJV) The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, TEACHERS of good things;

    That they may TEACH the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

    To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

    It's not at all in view of a lesser role in the body of Christ, It's a designed structure.

    I think it's an extension of the model shown in Ephesians 5:22-32. a husband and wife modeling Christ and the Church.

    I hope that helps. God bless
  • Part 2 some scriptures concerning the Grace of God - In Reply on Acts 1 - 3 years ago
    "for in the day thou eatest thereof thereof thou shall surely die" Genesis 2:16-17

    "by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men" Romans 5:12

    "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?..." 1 Corinthians 6:9

    "But your iniquities have separated between you and you God" Isaiah 59:2

    "the wages of sin is death" Romans 6:23

    "The soul that sinneth, it shall die" Ezekiel 18:4

    "shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death" Revelation 21:8

    "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire" Revelation 20:14-15

    "For God so loved the world he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" John 3:16

    "And all things are lf God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ...To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them" 2 Corinthians 5:18-19

    "Grace and truth came by Jesus Christ" John 1:17

    "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and not of yourselves: it is the gift of God" Ephesians 2:8

    "But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ" Ephesians 2:13

    "and washed us from our sins in his own blood" Revelation 1:5

    "the veil of the temple was rent in twain from top to bottom" Matthew 27:51

    "In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace" Ephesians 1:7

    "In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature" Colossians 1:14-15

    "But God commendeth his love towards us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us" Romans 5:8

    "And of his fulness have all received, and grace for grace" John 1:16
  • Chris - In Reply on Psalms 91 - 3 years ago
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    Thank you Sacha - I welcome all responses, as whatever is shared, unless completely in opposition to God's Word, can be useful for our knowledge & spiritual growth in the things & ways of God. So I agree, God did choose to have His Son born through a human, even though all humans are imputed with a sinful nature. And yes, I believe there was a reason for doing so.

    At the foundation of Jesus' arrival & His Sacrifice, lies the unfathomable Love of God for mankind: John 3:16 & Romans 5:8 attest to it. To His people, Israel, that Love extended to the institution of the Law & the sacrificial system, so that through its performance, God's Anger against their sin was appeased & His Love declared in providing them a way out: a blood sacrifice was needed (through a pure spotless animal) so that life was paid for life (a substitutionary payment: Mark 10:45; 1 Peter 3:18). But that was for a time until Jesus came to fulfil the Will of God His Father ( Hebrews 10:5-10).

    Since the animal sacrifices were temporary because of their inability to fully address the sin issue, they had to be a continual sacrifice, they gave no relief to man's consciences & never fulfilled God's eternal Plan, so at "the due time" God sent His Son to fully meet those shortcomings. God could have sent a specially created Lamb to fulfil this work or as some believe, a specially created Human to lay down His Life for sinners. So why didn't God do this?

    Ultimately, the reason for this is in the Mind of God, but no doubt His Love for all, His requirement for a Perfect Sacrifice that fulfilled all His Demands & that there would be no further need nor better option to accomplish that Will, are a few of my thoughts. John 15:13 says, "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." Was not Jesus intimating that the fullest expression of Love is seen in one's unreserved willingness to sacrifice his own life because of the love for another?
  • Mishael - In Reply on Romans 5 - 3 years ago
    Find her post on your pc or phone( look for a thread link; probably in your email. Click on the thread link. Then her reply link.

    Find her post in room history in the numbered links at the bottom of this page. It's in there, you'll find it. Click on REPLY once or many.

    We will see the new comments in here again.
  • Billy on Romans 5 - 3 years ago
    Yesterday I posted a comment in regards to a senseless act of murder.I had stated how we are born into sin,we as a whole/human race are not as good as we think. I really angered one lady whom evidently took that statement as "All children are born evil"? and just a nasty hateful text.To make a short question long.How can I respond to her ? I prayed that the Lord would give me the right words.
  • Read the bible - In Reply on Romans 5 - 3 years ago
    God loves judgement!

    But unrighteous judgement he hates .

    It's so important to understand His word , it's his judgement as well so we can do things right.

    Many people will say don't judge , these are the same people that refuse to hear the word of God .

    I will stop judging you all now ! Amen
  • Ron - In Reply on Mark 3 - 3 years ago
    OnlytruthintheworldKJV, you were concerned of the time and dates on the 70th week ending and feel there is 3 years left. There are not any dates or time in the scriptures so we have to look at the recorded dates in history. This is the closest dates I can find in history records but it should be within a margin of erra, may it answer your doubts.

    The 70 weeks of 7= 490 years. 483 years when Jesus was baptized. History places this around 29AD. Jesus' ministry was 3 years by the number of Passovers Jesus went to according to scriptures. We are at 486 years. Stephen's death is recorded around 36AD. This is around the same time Jesus stopped confirming the New Covenant through is Apostils and Peter had his dream and went to Cornelius and the gospel went to the Gentiles.

    This prophecy was determined upon Israel and Jerusalem not the world, and these six things were to be fulfilled. See for yourself if these were fulfilled by Jesus. 1 To finish the transgression ( Isaiah 53:5, 8) ( Hebrews 9:15-18) 2. To make an end of sins ( Matthew 1:21) ( Hebrews 10:8-11) ( 1 John 3:5) ( Romans 8:3) 3. To make reconciliation for iniquity ( Colossians 1:20-22) ( Isaiah 53:6) ( Titus 2:14) ( 2 Corinthians 5:18-19) 4. To bring in everlasting righteousness ( Romans 5:17-21) ( 2 Corinthians 5:21) 5. To seal up vision and prophecy ( Daniel 9:23) ( John 6:27) ( Mark 1:14-15) 6. To anoint the most holy ( Hebrews 9:6-14).

    The 3 years in Revelation starts when Satan is cast down and gives his power to the beast, not connected with the 70 weeks. If not clear its ok.

    God bless Andrew, Ron
  • OnlytruthintheworldKJV - In Reply on Romans 5 - 3 years ago
    John 7:24

    King James Version

    24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

    1 Corinthians 2:15

    But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

    One may only judge all things righteously if it be that the Holy Spirit is in him.
  • Alan Banks - In Reply on Romans 5 - 3 years ago
    Jesus said not to judge in several places:

    Luke 6 37

    Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

    Romans 2:1 |

    Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

    Romans 14:13 |

    Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

    James 4:12 |

    There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?
  • Jesse - In Reply on Romans 5 - 3 years ago
    Mary,

    Verses 7 and 8 of Romans Chapter 5 is showing contrast. Verse 7 says: For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.

    Humanly speaking, would you die for me? You might say to me "You got to be kidding! Me die for you?" Or you might say "Sure I will. Just don't take me up on it!" Maybe someone would for a good person, a benefactor.

    But look at the contrast in Verse 8. It says But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

    Can you imagine that?

    Christ died for me, not while I was "getting my act together" or trying to be a "good person." He died while I was in a condition of being a sinner and His enemy!

    Who dies for their enemies?
  • Mary Brewton on Romans 5 - 3 years ago
    What does Romans ch 5 v 7 mean? Thanks
  • Charles R Peek - In Reply on Genesis 3 - 3 years ago
    No, you cannot lose your salvation, here is why:

    1. We are washed from our sins by the blood of Christ. Rev. 1:5

    2. We are justified or acquitted from all guilt. Rom. 5:1; Tit 3-7

    3. We receive the forgiveness of all sins. Col 1:14; 2:13

    4. We are redeemed or purchased by God through the blood of

    Christ. I Pet. 1:18; Heb. 9:12

    5. We are born again spiritually into God's family. John 1:12; 3:3-5;

    Gal 3:26; I John 5:1

    6. Our sins are not imputed unto us. Romans 4:8 Romans 5:13 7. We are given eternal life and shall never perish. John 10:28; I

    John 5:11-13

    8. We are reconciled or restored to a right relationship with God. II

    Cor. 5:18; Col 1:21

    9. We are made the righteousness of God. II Cor. 5:21

    10. We receive the Holy Spirit. I Cor. 6:19; I John 4:13

    11. We are sealed by the Holy Spirit to the day of redemption. Eph.

    1:13-14; I John 4:13; II Cor. 1:22

    12. We are anointed by God with the Holy Spirit. II Cor. 1:22; I John

    2:27

    13. We are placed into the body of Christ. I Cor. 12:13,27

    14. Our bodies become the members of Christ. I Cor. 6:15; Eph 5:30

    15. We become one spirit with the Lord Jesus. I Cor. 6:17

    16. God becomes the owner of our body and spirit. I Cor. 6:20

    17. We are placed into Christ and found "in Him". John 14:20

    18. We are risen with Christ to life. Col 2:12-13; 3:1

    19. We are adopted as sons of God. Eph. 1:5; Rom 8:15

    20. We enter into the grace of God. Rom 5:1-2

    21. We are delivered from darkness and Satanic power. Col 1:13;

    Eph. 5:8; Acts 26:18

    22. We are placed into the kingdom of Christ. Col 1:13

    23. We have been spiritually healed. I Pet. 2:24; Acts 28:27

    24. We are chosen in Christ to be blameless before Him Eph. 1:4

    25. We are predestined to be conformed to the image of Christ. Rom 8:29

    26. We are elect according to the foreknowledge of God. I Pet. 1:2

    27. We are perfected or made complete forever. Heb. 10:14

    28. We are preserved or kept safe in Christ Jesus. Jude 1; II Tim.

    4:18 29. God forgets all our sins forever. Heb. 10:17

    30. We are s
  • Thomas on Romans 5 - 3 years ago
    Saturn worship is literally the biggest deception on mankind in all of history and this line proves it.
  • Jo on Romans 5 - 3 years ago
    How is the mind of an unsaved person described versus a mind after knowing right from wrong and being convicted?
  • Charles R Peek - In Reply on Romans 5 - 3 years ago
    Jesus taught Paul, Paul taught Peter.

    Galatians 1:11-12 "But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. 12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, (Peter nor any other Disciple taught the Gospel to Paul)but by the revelation of Jesus Christ." Jesus told Paul what to Preach to the Gentiles. On the other hand, Paul taught the Gospel which he preached to the Gentiles to the 12 Apostles, including Peter. Galatians 2:1-2 "Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also. 2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain." And it was at least 14 years after the resurrection. THERE YOU HAVE THE SCRIPTURE, NOT MY WORD BUT GOD'S WORD.
  • Richard in Christ - In Reply on Romans 5 - 3 years ago
    Well Charles,

    We were conversing about mainly how you perceive that Paul preached a "different" Gospel or something extra that the other apostles didn't have. That Jesus "died" for our sins. In a previous post I stated how ( 1 Peter 2:24 has "Jesus bared our sins in his own body on the tree". Basically stating he "died" for our sins. Which the apostle Peter wrote this epistle first hand, at around the same time, to be fair, some may say earlier, than the Book of Acts. Showing that one book had this "teaching", from Peter, and the other didn't. So there is no way to say Peter or any of the original apostles of Christ did not teach this also. To state only Paul did.

    Then you asked a question of what Gospel I was saved by.

    Is this not what we were conversing about? My apologies if I am wrong.
  • Charles R Peek - In Reply on Romans 5 - 3 years ago
    what the Disciples is well recorded in the Bible, that how I know.
  • Charles R Peek - In Reply on Romans 5 - 3 years ago
    From Charles Peek: Well Richard, I guess we were talking about two different things?
  • Charles R Peek - In Reply on Judges 7 - 3 years ago
    Adam & Eve were immortal and designed to live forever in paradise, until they disobeyed. Then a radical change happened which was they became mortal. And all his offspring were no longer in the image of God. Genesis 5:3 "And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:" Seth was made in Adam's image, not God's image. "For as the body without the spirit is dead,..." James 2:26. "For if through the offence of one many be dead,... Romans 5:15. So before we are saved we are dead and Jesus said, John 3:36 "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." Meaning you are dead. We know that a man has a body that is not dead, and our soul is not dead for when we get saved our soul is cut loose from our body. So that leaves the spirit to be the one that died when Adam sinned. And that is why Jesus said in John 3:5 "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." Notice that when he said, "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit"; the capitol "S" Spirit. An notice the "born again" in verse 7. If you have to be born again, that would mean that you at some time in the past, were born of the spirit. Meaning Adam died spiritually when sinned. No guessing, it's all bible.
  • Richard in Christ - In Reply on Romans 5 - 3 years ago
    Hello Charles,

    I most enjoy having a personal discussion with another brother in Christ. As I also have a KJV Bible that I study the Word from. I don't see that what we are discussing as wasting time. No one person knows exactly how everything went at these times as I'm sure you know. Thank God we have the Gospels that were written. Although it is still limiting to everything that happened in detail. Though it is more than enough to save us. As John 21:25 states that "if everything which Jesus did were written even the world itself could not contain the books". Maybe looking at the four Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Some things are contained almost exact in one to another, some things differ a bit but you can tell it is of the same event, then there are some things that are unique to each book and are not in one another. I would hope that someone would not just pick one, say Matthew because it was the earliest, and say "this is the one I believe." We should read all of them and put them all together and we still only have a fraction of the Lord's journey.

    To answer your question of: What Gospel did you believe to be saved? It was when I was reading the book of John. Very early of me reading the NT as I hadn't read it fully from the beginning yet as I was jumping around. What spoke to my heart was reading of Jesus giving His disciples the new commandment of "love one another" in John 13:34. Also in John 15. When I read this is when I knew Jesus Christ was the truth and from God. Through my whole life feeling, in my heart, that love is what really matters. Reading this was just amazing to me and almost like what I had always wanted to hear. This is when I gave myself to the Lord. Praise be to our Father and Jesus Christ for everything I/we have been led to.

    Thank you for sharing what spoke to you, from the Holy Bible, that saved you.
  • Charles R Peek - In Reply on Romans 5 - 3 years ago
    Your question: Really the question I have is how do you know the original

    disciples/apostles of Jesus Christ didn't teach that the Lord "died"

    for our sins? Answer: Because I have a King James Bible that tells what they preached; we can guess what they might have talked about that wasn't written in the scriptures all day, but that would just be wasting time. I have a question for you: what Gospel did you believe to be saved? I was saved by believing the Gospel that Jesus sent Paul, the Apostle to the Gentiles: 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 "For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:" Let us compare what you believed to be saved, with what I believed to be saved.
  • Richard in Christ - In Reply on Romans 5 - 3 years ago
    Charles,

    Really the question I have is how do you know the original disciples/apostles of Jesus Christ didn't teach that the Lord "died" for our sins? As I myself got a little confused, with Paul's trip to Jerusalem between Acts and Galatians, because the Scriptures doesn't always have every single detail.

    We can say that Paul met with Peter and James around 36 AD. I'm sure they had an amazing time talking about all types of things relating to the Lord and the Gospel. In 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 Paul states "according to the Scriptures". Which are probably Isaiah 53 and Jonah 1:17. Which Jesus states in Matthew 12:40 that He shall be three days and nights in the heart of the earth. Which His original disciples/apostles experienced this first hand. Which Paul did not. In 1 Peter 2:24 it states how Jesus died for our sins. Which was maybe written around the early 60's AD? Around the same time as Acts was written? So one epistle, not Paul's writing, has it the other doesn't.

    Along with Paul meeting with the other apostles less than a decade after the death of Jesus. Then the second time around 50 AD before all written Gospels. I can't see Paul knowing more or preaching more than the other apostles, who lived with the Lord, in that Jesus Christ "died" for our sins.

    As I would say that there are many details but One Gospel.

    God Bless.
  • Charles R Peek - In Reply on Romans 5 - 3 years ago
    : 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 "For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:". Those two Gospels are not even close. I needed three post to get all in. Can you Post the Gospel in detail that you use.
  • Charles R Peek - In Reply on Romans 5 - 3 years ago
    "There is ONE body, and ONE Spirit, even as ye are called in ONE hope

    of your calling; ONE Lord, ONE faith, ONE baptism, ONE God and Father

    of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." Eph 4:4-6

    ANSWER: Yes, there is one body, a Jew Gentile body; the Body of Christ.

    One faith, faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, and one real baptism. There are seven baptisms in the New Testament, but only one real baptism, and that is not a water baptism. And there are ten Gospels in the New Testament, but only one saving Gospel during the age of Grace.

    Sorry, there's ONE Gospel:

    "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach ANY OTHER GOSPEL unto

    you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be

    accursed." Gal 1:8. There is an Angel in the book of revelation, that preaches the everlasting Gospel, but he won't be accursed because it is a different dispensation. And during the Great Tribulation the Gospel of Peace is preached but no one is accursed, because it is a different dispensation.

    I strongly doubt that Paul believed that Peter et al were ACCURSED. ABSOLUTELY NOT!

    If you read carefully, the death, burial and resurrection ARE in the

    apostles teaching. I think the difference is in signs and wonders and

    in emphasis on OT fulfillment. Jesus needed Paul, with a PhD in The

    Gospel. ANSWER: The death burial and resurrection is in all the Apostle's Gospels, only Paul has a little more that the rest don't have "how that Christ died for our sins". Here is the Gospel that the Here is the Gospel that most preachers preach today: Romans 10:9-13 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." Compare that Gospel with Paul's Gospel: NEXT POST:
  • Charles R Peek - In Reply on Romans 5 - 3 years ago
    SkipVought

    Charles,

    Paul, who you claim, preaches a different gospel than the apostles,

    made it a practice to preach in synagogues in the cities he enters.

    "And it came to pass in Iconium, that they went both together into

    the synagogue of the Jews, and so spake, that a great multitude both

    of the JEWS and also of the GREEKS believed." Act 14:1

    "And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the

    JEWS and the GREEKS." Act 18:4

    "And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which

    dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both JEWS and

    GREEKS." Act 19:10

    "Testifying both to the JEWS, and also to the GREEKS, repentance

    toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ." Act 20:21

    ANSWER: Yes Paul preached to both Jews and Gentile. That what the Lord Jesus Christ told him to do. Acts 9:15 "But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:"

    Neither Jew nor Greek... ANSWER: Romans 10:12 "For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him." Notice that the verse didn't say what they believed, but only that both had the same Lord.

    "There is neither JEW nor GREEK, there is neither bond nor free,

    there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ

    Jesus." Gal 3:28

    "Where there is neither GREEK nor JEW, circumcision nor

    uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all,

    and in all." Col 3:11. ANSWER; Romans 3:30 "Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith." MORE: Galatians 2:7-8 "But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; 8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)" NEXT POST:
  • Richard in Christ - In Reply on Romans 5 - 3 years ago
    So, taking a little more time and looking into Acts 9:26-27 and Galatians 1:17-18 it does seem to be the same experience. It just got a little confusing as it goes directly from Paul preaching first in Damascus and getting let down in a basket by the disciples to save him, not saying he went to Arabia or three years passing, then saying he came to Jerusalem in the next verse in Acts 9:25-27.

    This does seem to be where he only saw Peter and James, only noted as apostles in Acts 9:27, as Barnabas took him to them. A little detail we don't get in Galatians.
  • SkipVought - In Reply on Romans 5 - 3 years ago
    There were no chapters and verses in the original autograph. They are, however, handy for getting around in The Bible.

    Too often people lift a verse or even a phrase out of context or even miss quote.

    Rule #1: ALWAYS read the context, what was written before and after the passage in question.

    Jesus NEVER said not to judge. Jesus did say to judge rightly.

    "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." Mat 7:5
  • Sacha on Romans 5 - 3 years ago
    Adam ,thankyou for sharing ,its nice to know a little bit about the people who are regular contributers to this sight ,im quite a private person and i dont find it easy to share ,however i will have a go ! This last 12 months has been a bit rough for all of us and ive had my ups and downs ,mostly downs but God has kept me smiling ,one thing i really enjoy is watching wildlife programmes on t.v. sometimes i get annoyed by the narration when they start talking about evolution and 20 milliond of years ago etc so i end up turning the sound off and just enjoying it with my eyes , looking at all the amazing and beautifull and perfect creatures that God created and i feel so much calmer ,to think that the God ,who so wonderfully made all this gorgeous and varied life with such attention to detail and obvious love ,that same and only God is my God ,my creator my sustainor my peace my sanity and my calmness ,why should i worry about anything ? He is every where and He knows and loves me and you and everone and He has a plan and i and you and every one else can be part of His plan . All we have to do is trust Him and not be afraid .
  • Richard in Christ - In Reply on Romans 5 - 3 years ago
    Hello Charles,

    This is getting interesting from what I'm finding in the Scriptures. As I agree Paul received the Gospel from the Lord in revelation. As the original disciples/apostles of the Lord were first hand witnesses and lived with the Lord.

    So it seems, I believe this is mostly Peter in these verses, that the Gospel he preached was also for the remission, forgiveness, of sins and our salvation through Jesus Christ.

    Acts 2:38

    Acts 3:19

    Acts 4:12

    Acts 5:31

    Acts 10:43-44

    Maybe the point you are trying to make is that he(other apostles) did not exactly say it was that He "died" for our sins? As I can't really be sure of that as the early preaching in Acts, that I posted, was only of Peter. There also being ten other original apostles preaching around. It could be though.

    This is interesting what I came across. In Acts 9:26-27. As this seems to be not long after Paul's conversion. After his first preaching of the Lord in Damascus. Being saved by other disciples of the Lord ending up in Jerusalem. Then in verse 27 Barnabus took him to the other apostles. As I can't be positive but I don't think Peter was there at this time as a couple verses later it states he was in other places.

    This does not seem to be the same trip to Jerusalem as Paul spake of in Galatians 1:18. As in Galatians 1:19 he states "of the other apostles I saw none". Interesting how in Galatians 1:17 stated that he didn't go to Jerusalem after he was saved or converted. Lots of stuff going on.

    God Bless.


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