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Jesus fulfilled the law in his sinless life and obedience unto his sacrificial death on the cross as substitute for sinners, being then raised from the dead for our justification:

Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. ( Romans 5:18-19)

I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. ( Galatians 2:21)

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. ( Romans 6:14)

Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. ( Romans 7:4-6)

Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. ( Galatians 4:21-26)

Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. ( Galatians 5:1)

Also, please read Romans 8.

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"Sandra, I understand that whenever God's Wrath is poured out upon mankind (as in the Flood, Sodom & Gomorrah, & in the future Great Tribulation), it is never for the purpose for mankind to repent - it is His Judgement against man. I see that you are doing the work of an Evangelist, so the full ramifications of the Cross of Christ are uppermost in your heart.

Consider this: what if Jesus, God's Word, was NOT sent by the Father into the world to be the Saviour of men. It is certain, that God would have pronounced His Judgement on us much earlier & all sinners would have been sent to their rightful place, Hell. But Romans 5:6 says, "For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly." 'Strength' in Greek is 'asthenon' which in this application means, that mankind (Israel, specifically) had no power or plan to devise a scheme to justify herself before God, to make atonement, or to pacify God's Wrath against her.

So God had come to that point where mankind was irreparably damaged spiritually, the Old Law had served its purpose to show man his sins yet his heart was far from Him & God's Wrath against sin & wickedness in man, was looming. I see that God's Hand was about to move against us. But instead, His Love constrained Him so that payment for our sins, which we could never make, was made on our behalf through the giving of His Son. That shedding of Christ's Blood not only paid our ransom & opened the way for us to reach God through the 'new & living Way', but also took that Anger of God, meant for us, upon Himself. 1 Jn 2:2: "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." Propitiatio

Sandra, I understand that whenever God's Wrath is poured out upon mankind (as in the Flood, Sodom & Gomorrah, & in the future Great Tribulation), it is never for the purpose for mankind to repent - it is His Judgement against man. I see that you are doing the work of an Evangelist, so the full ramifications of the Cross of Christ are uppermost in your heart.

Consider this: what if Jesus, God's Word, was NOT sent by the Father into the world to be the Saviour of men. It is certain, that God would have pronounced His Judgement on us much earlier & all sinners would have been sent to their rightful place, Hell. But Romans 5:6 says, "For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly." 'Strength' in Greek is 'asthenon' which in this application means, that mankind (Israel, specifically) had no power or plan to devise a scheme to justify herself before God, to make atonement, or to pacify God's Wrath against her.

So God had come to that point where mankind was irreparably damaged spiritually, the Old Law had served its purpose to show man his sins yet his heart was far from Him & God's Wrath against sin & wickedness in man, was looming. I see that God's Hand was about to move against us. But instead, His Love constrained Him so that payment for our sins, which we could never make, was made on our behalf through the giving of His Son. That shedding of Christ's Blood not only paid our ransom & opened the way for us to reach God through the 'new & living Way', but also took that Anger of God, meant for us, upon Himself. 1 Jn 2:2: "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." Propitiation means both Christ's atoning work for us & the taking on Himself of God's Wrath on our behalf. A wonderful work & expression of God's Love & Mercy to us - & this was in His Plan from the beginning.

2 Cor 6:2b: "behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation." for all.

Romans 5: 15-21 whant to print the veris

Revelation 19:13, clearly names Jesus as the Word of God.

The blood of Christ one of the most important doctrinal teachings found in the Word of God. It is through the shedding of Christ's blood that WE can:

Learn of God's and Christ's great love for us

Be declared innocent from our many heinous sins

Be delivered from the eternal wrath of Almighty God

Be brought into communion with a Holy God.

Be saved from eternal death and granted eternal life.



Romans 5:8-10 - "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Much more then, being now justified by his BLOOD, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life."

No wonder His shed blood holds a core position of importance in both the Old Testament and the New Testament, it is the only hope for a person's salvation, receipt of other spiritual blessings and eternal security with Him.

Sadly, many today will minimize the importance of the death and shed blood of Christ. It has been done throughout NT times and will continue to be done until Christ comes again. Anytime that we minimize what Christ has done for us (whether by word or action) after we have mentally received the truth about its importance, it is a sign of a lost condition and increased responsibility at the final judgment.

The Bible-word of God isn't about what if. In the beginning WAS GOD, God was and is there are no what if's, He said I Am Alpha and Omega. God is first and last the beginning and the end.

More scriptures on Repentance and Conversion:

Luke 18:13 ; Matthew 9:13 ; Psalms 51:17 2 Corinthians 7:9-11 ; 1 John 1:19 ; Luke 15:18 ; Matthew 3:5-6 ; Acts 19:17-18 ; Romans 6:2 ; 2 Chronicles 7:14 ; Luke 19:8 ; 1 Thessalonians 5:22 ; 2 Corinthians 7:11 ; Romans 8:13 ; Colossians 3:5 ; John 5:24 ; Ephesians 2:1 ; Romans 8:2 ; John 3:5-8 ; Ephesians 5:26 ; Titus 3:5 ; 2 Corinthians 5:17 ;

Romans 12:2 ; John 1:29 ; John 3:14-15 ; 1 Peter 3:18 ; Romans 5:1-2 ; Romans 8:1 ; Philippians 4:7 ; Romans 8:2 ; Romans 8:11-14 ; 2 Corinthians 5:17 ; 1 John 3:19 ; 1 Peter 1:23 ; Psalms 119:11 ; 1 John 4:7 ; Romans 5:5 ; Matthew 5:44 ; 1 John 5:4 ; John 16:33 ; James 1:27 ; 2 Corinthians 4:10 ; Acts 11:26 ; Romans 8:29 ; Ezekiel 36:26-27 ; Ephesians 2:2-3 ; Ephesians 2 4-6 ; Matthew 18:3 ; Acts 3:19 ; Ephesians 4:22-24 ; Colossians 3:1-14 ; Romans 8:29 ; Romans 8:29 ; Romans 6:1-2 ; Matthew 1:21

Likely there are more that are missed here.

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My confession of faith on Repentance is the same as written here:

"We believe in a true conversion, justification and new birth. In a true conversion there is sincere sorrow for sin and transgression, and condemnation thereof. The justification is obtained through conversion when believing upon the wrought- righteousness of Christ, becoming liberated from the debt of sin and judgement, whereby we are "born again" and renewed unto the image and nature of God through the renewing of the Holy Ghost."

Luke 24:27 ; John 1:28 ; John 3:3 ; Acts 20:28 ; Romans 1:27 ; Romans 5:1 ; Galatians 3:26

The Holy Spirit

We rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, and hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us," Romans 5:3-5.

We find love in our suffering. As we endure trials, God's love is poured out into us through the Spirit and it's this empowerment that carries you and I through the hard seasons. When you are doubting this love in your difficulty, remember that the Holy Spirit pours Jesus's love into your heart.

The peace that God's people will enjoy is clearly linked in prophecy to the destruction of those who oppose God. It is undeniable that the lives of godly people would be more peaceful if there were no wicked people on earth. The people of God will enjoy peace in the future in part because Jesus Christ will destroy the wicked and unrepentant. Scripture never says that the ungodly or unsaved have peace with God. Romans 5:1 says, "we [Christians] have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ." It does not say, "Everyone" has peace with God. The Church Epistles thus echo what the Old Testament and Gospels proclaim: that the peace of God is for those who have believed in God.

This verse summarizes the ideas in the previous verse in general terms. Paul frequently summarized in Romans , and often these summaries refer to the results of the action in view, as here (cf. Romans 4:25; Romans 5:21; Romans 6:23; Romans 7:25).Belief in Jesus Christ in one"s heart results in acceptance by God (i.e, imputed righteousness, justification, and positional sanctification). Testimony to one"s belief in Jesus Christ normally follows and normally is verbal. Paul was describing the normal consequence of belief. Witmer wrote that the confession is to God. [Note: Witmer, p481.] One"s confession that Jesus is Lord would be to God initially (i.e, expressing trust in Christ to the Father), but most interpreters have believed that the confession in view goes beyond God and includes other people as well. This seems to be a reasonable conclusion since the confession is to be made with the mouth. In what sense does this confession result in salvation. Paul obviously did not mean that confession of Jesus Christ secures acceptance with God since he just said belief in the heart does that ( Romans 10:9; cf. ch4). Salvation is a broad term that includes many kinds of deliverance, as we have seen. What aspect of salvation does taking a public stand for Christ secure For one thing it saves the person making the confession from the potential discipline of God. [Note: See Dillow, pp122-24.] It also saves him or her from the loss of reward that those who are unwilling to identify themselves with Him will enjoy (cf. Matthew 10:32-33; 2 Timothy 2:12). Furthermore, it often results in the eternal salvation of other people who hear the confession of faith and then believe themselves.

The body of the Sabbath was fulfilled in Jesus Christ ( Colossians 2:16 & 17) allowing by the work on the cross in it's fulfillment to make rest for the soul. Man by separated from God by sin can have his sin in the body of Jesus Christ nailed to the cross.

Here is Colossians 2:14

"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;"

And Romans 5:20

"Moreover the law entered, that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:"

Jesus's words in Matthew 11:29

"Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and I will give you rest"

The soul of a born again member of mankind can have this sabbath rest in every day of their lives as long as rest from their own works of sin: rest meaning not to enter them again.

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For if, by the trespass of the one, death reigned through the one; much more shall they that receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one, (even) Jesus Christ. Adam's sin has allowed death to "reign" over the human race. We face physical and spiritual death because of sin. We may say that at the present time death is king of the hill ( Hebrews 2:15) for all who are not Christians. Death ceases to be king for those who become Christians because the saved "reign in life through Jesus Christ." Those who are in Christ are able to overcome the spiritual consequences of sin, and they overcome physical death in the sense that they will be raised to inherit eternal life. Death is no longer an unbeatable enemy. It may win a battle when it claims our life, but it will not defeat the Christian in the war for the soul. For information on the word "trespasses" (paraptoma), see the commentary on verse16. Concerning the word reign (basileuo), this same term is used of an earthly ruler in Matthew 2:22, sin ( Romans 6:12), and Jesus Himself ( 1 Corinthians 15:25). It is also found in verse21. Here, it is used twice, and its dual use shows that the reign of death can be defeated if we accept the reign offered by Christ. Describing God's grace as "abundant" (perisseia) caused Paul to use a term found only here, 2 Corinthians 8:2; 2 Corinthians 10:15; James 1:21. In each of these places it refers "to something above or beyond the normal. It suggests 'the element of excess and fullness that overflows the set bounds. In this process of overflowing, the existing standards and rules are transcended and what was comparable becomes incomparable'" (CBL, GED, 5:160). We have access to God's grace right now because "receiving" is a present tense verb. Notice too that our ability to overcome the consequences of sin is only possible "through" (ASV) or "by" (KJV) Christ. This is absolutely consistent with other verses like John 14:6.

For if - This verse contains the same idea as before presented, but in a varied form. It is condensing the whole subject, and presenting it in a single view.By one man's offence - Or, by one offence. Margin. The reading of the text is the more correct. "If, under the administration of a just and merciful Being, it has occurred, that by the offence of one, death hath exerted so wide a dominion; we have reason much more to expect under that administration, that they who are brought under his plan of saving mercy shall be brought under a dispensation of life."

Death reigned - Note, Romans 5:14.

By one - By means of one man.

Much more - We have much more reason to expect it. It evidently accords much more with the administration of a Being of infinite goodness.

They which receive abundance of grace - The abundant favor; the mercy that shall counterbalance and surpass the evils introduced by the sin of Adam. That favor shall be more than sufficient to counterbalance all those evils. This is particularly true of the redeemed, of whom the apostle in this verse is speaking. The evils which they suffer in consequence of the sin of Adam bear no comparison with the mercies of eternal life that shall flow to them from the work of the Saviour.

The gift of righteousness - This stands opposed to the evils introduced by Adam. As the effect of his sin was to produce condemnation, so here the gift of righteousness refers to the opposite, to pardon, to justification, to acceptance with God. To show that people were thus justified by the gospel, was the leading design of the apostle; and the argument here is, that if by one man's sin, death reigned over those who were under condemnation in consequence of it, we have much more reason to suppose that they who are delivered from sin by the death of Christ, and accepted of God, shall reign with him in life.

Shall reign - The word "reign" is often applied to the condition of saints in heaven, 2 Timothy 2:12.

When the sermons make you feel that you are a bad person, that is the Holy Spirit convicting you of your need for Jesus Christ as your Savior. The Bible says plainly that we are all sinners. Romans 3:23 For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us in that while we were yet sinners, Jesus Christ died for us. Admit to God your sinful state, believe in your heart that Jesus, God's son, sacrificed himself for you on the cross, and ask Jesus to come into your life as Savior and Lord. I will be praying for you.

God's love and justice satisfied:

Romans 5:5-11

And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.

But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

Augustine (354-430) first shaped the doctrine of original sin,[7][5] seeing it as based on the New Testament teaching of Paul the Apostle ( Romans 5:12-21 and 1 Corinthians 15:21-22) and the Old Testament verse of Psalms 51:5.[8][9][10][11][12] Tertullian (c. 155 - c. 240), Cyprian, Ambrose and Ambrosiaster considered that humanity shares in Adam's sin, transmitted by human generation. Augustine said that free will was weakened but not destroyed by original sin.[5] Augustine's formulation of original sin was popular among Protestant reformers, such as Martin Luther and John Calvin, who equated original sin with concupiscence (or "hurtful desire"), affirming that it persisted even after baptism and completely destroyed freedom to do good and proposed that original sin involved a loss of free will except to sin.[13]

My question is. What did the early church (Before Agustine) believe? Clearly, they did not have Augustine's view.

Also, are we saying Jesus was plan B?

1 Peter Chapter 1

Jesus is the mediator between our Heavenly father and humanity 1 Timothy 2:5, 1 peter 1:3

Adams sin brought a curse upon all humanity. Sin and death or( a separation from God and humanity.) Jesus death was a sacrifice for us all to be reconciled back to the father

1 Peter 1:18 Romans 5:19

Jesus was baptized by his cousin John the baptist Luke 3:21,22

Jesus received the Infilling of the Holy Spirit (Jesus did what was pleasing to his father)

Jesus human nature was transformed and his divine nature allowed him to be in harmony

with our heavenly father so that he would to be victorious over the weaknesses of the

human flesh. 1 peter 1:16

Our hope is in the victory that Jesus demonstrated to us( Jesus is our example )

We can be reconciled back to God our father if we submit our minds over to him, just

as Jesus submitted his mind over to the father

According to your faith,you can submit your human weaknesses over to our Heavenly Father and Jesus, whose Divine Power is greater than our human weaknesses. 1 peter 1: 21, 23

You can obtain salvation according to the word of God.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 10: 9-10 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and thy shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. Verse 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. I pray the Lord will reveal Himself in a mighty way. Holy Spirit please bless. In Jesus name. Amen

Isaiah 32:17

"The work of righteousness will be peace, and the effect of righteousness, quietness and assurance forever."

Isaiah 52:7

"How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him who brings good news, who proclaims peace, who brings glad tidings of good things, who proclaims salvation, who says to Zion, 'Your God reigns!'"

Isaiah 54:13

"All your children shall be taught by the LORD, and great shall be the peace of your children."

Isaiah 55:12

"For you shall go out with joy, and be led out with peace; the mountains and the hills shall break forth into singing before you, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands."

Jeremiah 29:11

"For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the LORD, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope."

Jeremiah 33:6

"Behold, I will bring it health and healing; I will heal them and reveal to them the abundance of peace and truth."

Mark 4:39

"Then He arose and rebuked the wind, and said to the sea, 'Peace, be still!' And the wind ceased and there was a great calm."

Luke 1:79

"To give light to those who sit in darkness and the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace."

Romans 5:1

"Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ."

Romans 8:6

"For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace."

Romans 14:17

"For the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit."

Mishael to you: in my 68 yrs on earth; a misunderstanding is an opportunity to apologize; give anD receive comfort. Smile.

The heart of the Lord is Mercy.

Grace is unmerited favor. We don't deserve it, but God gives it to us anyway.

My prayer: it takes just the right conditions for the sky to make triple rainbows.

The best prayers are said on your knees.

Original sin is a Bible doctrine, not just Augustine.

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man (Adam) sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Yet ALL does not mean ALL with one exception

Hebrews Chapter 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast [our] profession.

15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin. WITHOUT SIN Jesus

16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

It's not a narrative, but literally what the Bible says is what most Christians believe. Romans 5:12, 1 John 1:8-10, Romans 3:23, Romans 7:18.

Why do you assume Christians have a narrative? Do you believe the Bible?

Chris,

Paul's understanding of sin and its transmission through Adam in Romans 5:12 is absolutely correct!

The beginning of sin and its transmission is in no way affected by the creation of all the races in Genesis 1:26-28, as well as the beginning of the race through Adam in Genesis 2:7; eventually becoming known as "Hebrews" (look at Genesis 40:15, Exodus 3:18, etc.)

Original sin was not transmitted through a particular bloodline, but rather through the Spirit and the Will of God.

Had Adam fulfilled his responsibility, then there would have been no need for the promise of Genesis 3:15, and we would all be living in the 3rd dispensation of time now, right here; heaven on earth. But, that did not happen, and 6000 years later we are still waiting for His second Coming.

If you want to believe that all races of humans came from Adam that is your choice. That does not affect the saving grace of Jesus Christ. I have given you Biblical reference (man, flesh, Sons of God, giants, the flood, dispensations of time) for the position I make, as well as definitions of Hebrew words for assistance and reference.

Your Biblical explanation (or lack of one) concerning HOW the other races came to be upon the earth reinforces your shaky position on such an important topic(s).

I will restate that GOD specifically refers to "nations" and "gentiles" and "heathen" and "people" as FOREIGN to the specific tribe and nation and people known as Israel. God making this distinction throughout ALL Scripture should be a big clue.

Gold does not lie in the streets and on the pathways; we have to dig a little to find it. So also is the understanding of the Word of God! ( 2Timothy 2:15)

The Bible was not written in English, it was originally written in Hebrew, Chaldean, and Greek (N.T.). A Bible Concordance is a must for every Bible student (that doesn't know Biblical Hebrew, Chaldean, and Greek).

D.J., if that were the case of Gen 1:26-28 referencing another creation of people simultaneously to Adam & Eve, then the question of the beginning of sin & its transmission comes up.

Romans 5:12, in my understanding, tells me that sin was first committed by Adam & Eve, resulting in both spiritual & physical death to them, & so this death sentence (in & from A & E) passed upon all men. Given your understanding of the creation of man (not mankind in Gen 1:26-28), how did this transmission of the sin nature (or, even original sin) pass upon all men? Or, maybe this 'other creation of mankind' were likewise tempted to sin, with resulting death, which would make Paul's understanding erroneous by believing that the inception & transmission of sin was only through Adam.

I realize that this matter has been raised earlier, but felt to just bring this out, as there needs to be a fuller justification of our understanding of the Word to those who read about this. No mischief intended - just scriptural proof for our positions for this very basic, important teaching.

Both these words bear heavily on Jesus' sacrifice on the Cross, though their meaning & application is different. When we speak of Atonement, though it is mentioned very often in the Old Testament in relation to the Jewish sacrifices, it is mentioned only once in Romans 5:11 "And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement." and in Rom 3:25, 1 Jn 2:2, 4:10, the word used is Propitiation. Both very similar in meaning.

In both instances of these words, the reference is to what Jesus' Sacrifice accomplished for us. So, to Atone or Propitiate has two aspects to it: one is expiation of our sins (Jesus dealing with/cancelling our sins) & the other, the removal or satisfying of God's Wrath that was against us sinners. So the word, Atonement, uses these two thoughts which were required by God before He could forgive us our sins. If Christ wasn't the Perfect, required Sacrifice, then there would be no basis for God to accept that Sacrifice. But since He was the Perfect Lamb of God sacrificed for us, God could then forgive us entirely on what Jesus did. If anyone tries to add to that sacrifice, whether by some extra effort to please God or self denial or self harm, then that person is saying that Christ's Sacrifice was insufficient to do its work. And this is very wrong.

So Atonement is what God required from His Son's Sacrifice, & Forgiveness is what we receive from God based on His Acceptance of the Sacrifice & our faith in Jesus.

"Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you".We must conceive of the words, Luke 6:27 and Luke 6:28, as having been pronounced with some kind of enthusiasm.These precepts overflow with Love.You have only to meet every manisfestation of hatred with a fresh manisfestation of love. Romans 12:21 and Romans 5:8-10 KJV.

Jeremiah 29:11

"For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the LORD, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope."

Jeremiah 33:6

"Behold, I will bring it health and healing; I will heal them and reveal to them the abundance of peace and truth."

Mark 4:39

"Then He arose and rebuked the wind, and said to the sea, 'Peace, be still!' And the wind ceased and there was a great calm."

Luke 1:79

"To give light to those who sit in darkness and the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace."

Romans 5:1

"Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ."

Romans 8:6

"For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace."

Romans 14:17

"For the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit."

Read more about this verse.

Romans 16:20

"And the God of peace will crush Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen."

Read more about this verse.

1 Corinthians 14:33

"For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints."

Read more about this verse.

2 Corinthians 13:11

"Finally, brethren, farewell. Become complete. Be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace will be with you."

Read more about this verse.

Galatians 5:22

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness."

Read more about this verse.

Ephesians 2:14

"For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation."

Ephesians 4:3, 6:15

"Endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace."

Say these out loud: eye gate, ear gate, mouth gate. may you be lifted in the spirit of your mind, as you listen.

Romans 5 v19 clearly shows us that the very same many who died in Adam will be made alive in Christ. The overwhelming testimony of scripture is the reconciliation of all to God.

Geraldine Cole

You are correct. Adam was put in charge of the Garden. The spreading of sin to all of mankind has resulted from the inability of Adam to uphold the Law of God and resist what Satan was offering him.

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Romans 5:12

Eve, however, was also there. In fact, Eve was the first person to accept Satan's proposal, look at Genesis 3:6.

Both Adam AND Eve received punishment for what happened in the Garden, look at Genesis 3:16.

The transgression that took place in the Garden of Eden had nothing to do with a piece of fruit. Both Adam and Eve were wholly seduced by Satan.

After the act took place:

Eve's punishment concerned child birth.

Satan's punishment concerned the separation of "seed" from the woman ( Genesis 3:15).

Eve found Satan to be "desirable" and "pleasant to the eyes" ( Genesis 3:6, 2 Corinthians 11:3). The punishment by our heavenly Father upon Eve, (and all of womankind) included her desire to now be focused upon her "husband, and he shall rule over thee" Genesis 3:16.

A few minutes of research into Scripture and a Bible Concordance will likely bring this topic into better light.

A man should not blame a woman for a mistake he made. Neither should a woman blame a man for a mistake she made.

It seems like nobody is doing their job anymore, male or female. How far ahead would mankind be if we took responsibility for our actions!!!

Luke 6:42

Chris,

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I appreciate your feedback concerning the creation of Adam and Eve.

In reply to your first question, I believe that was answered in the original post. Scripture states that God created mankind on the 6th day, both male and female. God then B-L-E-S-S-E-D them, and said unto them, be fruitful, and multiply, and RE-plenish the earth, and subdue it. ( Genesis 1:26, Genesis1:27, Genesis 1:28). These are the instructions given to the rest of mankind. We are clearly neither insignificant nor are we worthless in His sight. We are all children of God with power given by Him to choose for ourselves who or what we want to believe. God makes the choice even easier: Be a part of His family of everlasting life or be a part of Satan's family of death.

Your phrase "or later" in regards to creation after the 6th day, I would point to Genesis 2:1, Genesis 2:2, and Genesis 2:3, which states that God FINISHED all of His creative work by the end of the 6th day; mankind being the last and greatest (and most confused) creative accomplishment.

I do not account for the existence of "cavemen." Scripture does not leave room for evolution. God states that He "created" ( Genesis 1:27) man. You and I were born, not created, as Adam, Eve, and the other Patriarchs and Matriarchs of the races (i.e. genealogy, Luke 3:23 - 39). Have we evolved from Adam?

Concerning a race or races of "sinless" people out there in the world I would point to Scripture found in Romans 3:23, Romans 5:12, 1 Corinthians 15:22.